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Made some speaker stands using Speedfit push together square steel tubing
some 4 years ago. Materials cost 115.50 plus VAT.

Just re-ordered the same to make another pair. 133.90. So about a 15%
increase. Carriage costs exactly the same.

Thought the world was awash with steel?

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On 29-Mar-18 3:29 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Made some speaker stands using Speedfit push together square steel tubing
some 4 years ago. Materials cost 115.50 plus VAT.

Just re-ordered the same to make another pair. 133.90. So about a 15%
increase. Carriage costs exactly the same.

Thought the world was awash with steel?


It is probably priced in dollars and the pound is about 18% down on the
dollar since this day four years ago.

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Made some speaker stands using Speedfit push together square steel tubing
some 4 years ago. Materials cost 115.50 plus VAT.

Just re-ordered the same to make another pair. 133.90. So about a 15%
increase. Carriage costs exactly the same.

Thought the world was awash with steel?


It is. Buy from your local scrappie.


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On 29-Mar-18 3:29 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Made some speaker stands using Speedfit push together square steel tubing
some 4 years ago. Materials cost 115.50 plus VAT.

Just re-ordered the same to make another pair. 133.90. So about a 15%
increase. Carriage costs exactly the same.

Thought the world was awash with steel?


It is probably priced in dollars and the pound is about 18% down on the
dollar since this day four years ago.


But weren't we told leaving the EU would make imports cheaper?

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Dave Plowman (News) formulated on Thursday :
But weren't we told leaving the EU would make imports cheaper?


We have not actually left yet !


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On 29/03/18 15:29, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Made some speaker stands using Speedfit push together square steel tubing
some 4 years ago. Materials cost 115.50 plus VAT.

Just re-ordered the same to make another pair. 133.90. So about a 15%
increase. Carriage costs exactly the same.

Thought the world was awash with steel?


Have searched for "Speedfit push together square steel tubing" but only
get hits for plumbing stuff.
Do you have a link?
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On 29/03/2018 19:09, Richard wrote:
On 29/03/18 15:29, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Made some speaker stands using Speedfit push together square steel tubing
some 4 years ago. Materials cost 115.50 plus VAT.

Just re-ordered the same to make another pair. 133.90. So about a 15%
increase. Carriage costs exactly the same.

Thought the world was awash with steel?


Have searched for "Speedfit push together square steel tubing" but only
get hits for plumbing stuff.
Do you have a link?


PS The owner of Speedfit, John Guest died in 2010 having started the
company many moons ago and his sons are now selling the business.

I wonder who will buy it ?. Could be a competitor wanting to
remove competition.
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On 29/03/2018 19:18, Brian Gaff wrote:
All sounds a bit expensive to me.
Nothing off the shelf that will suit? Some time ago I got some made out of
wrought iron cheaper than that but the guy retired.
Brian

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Have searched for "Speedfit push together square steel tubing" but only
get hits for plumbing stuff.
Do you have a link?


Try searching for Speed frame rather than fit:


Is this what you are looking for?


http://www.richardsonsuk.co.uk/25mm-...ube-system/p47


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All sounds a bit expensive to me. Nothing off the shelf that will suit?
Some time ago I got some made out of wrought iron cheaper than that but
the guy retired.


Beauty with this stuff is if you cut it carefully you end up with a
finished unit which looks good immediately.

Welding one up would need careful grinding of the welds, then painting.

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As a supplementary, I used an angle grinder with a metal cutting disc in a
bench stand to cut the tube last time. OK, but not perfect.

I've got an old B&Q chop saw. No longer used as I have a very nice Makita
compound mitre sliding one. Would it be possible to find a mild steel
cutting blade for that? Being so much larger than the angle grinder stand,
easier to set the tube lengths and clamp in place, etc.

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On 29/03/2018 23:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
As a supplementary, I used an angle grinder with a metal cutting disc in a
bench stand to cut the tube last time. OK, but not perfect.

I've got an old B&Q chop saw. No longer used as I have a very nice Makita
compound mitre sliding one. Would it be possible to find a mild steel
cutting blade for that? Being so much larger than the angle grinder stand,
easier to set the tube lengths and clamp in place, etc.


Look at the evolution range of blades - they do ones for steel (and
other stuff).


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I've got an old B&Q chop saw. [...] Would it be possible to find a
mild steel cutting blade for that?

I've seen people convert them, usually the motor speed from a wood
cutting saw turns out wrong for the metal cutting blade

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On 29/03/18 21:03, Andrew wrote:
On 29/03/2018 19:09, Richard wrote:
On 29/03/18 15:29, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Made some speaker stands using Speedfit push together square steel
tubing
some 4 years ago. Materials cost 115.50 plus VAT.

Just re-ordered the same to make another pair. 133.90. So about a 15%
increase. Carriage costs exactly the same.

Thought the world was awash with steel?


Have searched for "Speedfit push together square steel tubing" but
only get hits for plumbing stuff.
Do you have a link?


PS The owner of Speedfit, John Guest died in 2010 having started the
company many moons ago and his sons are now selling the business.

I wonder who will buy it ?. Could be a competitor wanting to
remove competition.


Let's hope it isn't Speedframe. Not only would it be more expensive, but
the whole square peg round hole thing would be a nightmare.
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On 29/03/2018 23:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
As a supplementary, I used an angle grinder with a metal cutting disc in a
bench stand to cut the tube last time. OK, but not perfect.

I've got an old B&Q chop saw. No longer used as I have a very nice Makita
compound mitre sliding one. Would it be possible to find a mild steel
cutting blade for that? Being so much larger than the angle grinder stand,
easier to set the tube lengths and clamp in place, etc.


Tungsten tipped blades cut mild steel with ease.
I have an evolution mitre saw (£25 second off ebay).
You need a fine toothed blade for something with thin walls.
Also be gentle.

I used it for alu 20x20 extrusions for a bit of 3d printer I was
modifying a few weeks ago and the result was perfect.

I have also used it to "plane" down metal after giving up with a file.

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On 29/03/2018 23:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
As a supplementary, I used an angle grinder with a metal cutting disc
in a bench stand to cut the tube last time. OK, but not perfect.

I've got an old B&Q chop saw. No longer used as I have a very nice
Makita compound mitre sliding one. Would it be possible to find a mild
steel cutting blade for that? Being so much larger than the angle
grinder stand, easier to set the tube lengths and clamp in place, etc.


Look at the evolution range of blades - they do ones for steel (and
other stuff).


Looking on Ebay, discovered I can buy a steel cutting blade for the 305 x
30 Makita. But don't want to risk any damage to that.

IIRC, the B&Q had an odd centre size, so would probably need to find an
adaptor too.

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For a start, you don't know the size of the speakers. The stands also
include a mounting for the power amp for the speaker.


OK. I don't because psychic v1.0 not installed. Enlighten me and then
provide cost difference between the two sources.
Always willing to learn.


Well, if you want a copy of the order, here it is. If you want to work out
the most expensive way of building them. ;-)

Code Name Details Qty Price
TZ3WF 25mm Square Tube System
3 Way Flat Joint Black 16 £56.00
(16 x £3.50)
TZAFS 25mm Square Tube System
Adjustable Feet PACK 4 2 £10.40
(2 x £5.20)
TZ3TB 25mm Square Tube System
3m Length Black Steel Square Tube Black 3 £25.50
(3 x £8.50)
TZ2W 25mm Square Tube System
2 Way Joint Black 4 £12.00
(4 x £3.00)
TZSF/BA 25mm Square Tube System
2m Length Aluminium Single Finned Square Tube Black 1 £16.00
(1 x £16.00)
TZ3W 25mm Square Tube System
3 Way Joint Black 4 £14.00
(4 x £3.50)
Items Total: £133.90
Delivery Total: £8.50
VAT Total: £28.48
Total: £170.88

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On 30/03/18 11:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Richard wrote:
For a start, you don't know the size of the speakers. The stands also
include a mounting for the power amp for the speaker.


OK. I don't because psychic v1.0 not installed. Enlighten me and then
provide cost difference between the two sources.
Always willing to learn.


Well, if you want a copy of the order, here it is. If you want to work out
the most expensive way of building them. ;-)

Code Name Details Qty Price
TZ3WF 25mm Square Tube System
3 Way Flat Joint Black 16 £56.00
(16 x £3.50)
TZAFS 25mm Square Tube System
Adjustable Feet PACK 4 2 £10.40
(2 x £5.20)
TZ3TB 25mm Square Tube System
3m Length Black Steel Square Tube Black 3 £25.50
(3 x £8.50)
TZ2W 25mm Square Tube System
2 Way Joint Black 4 £12.00
(4 x £3.00)
TZSF/BA 25mm Square Tube System
2m Length Aluminium Single Finned Square Tube Black 1 £16.00
(1 x £16.00)
TZ3W 25mm Square Tube System
3 Way Joint Black 4 £14.00
(4 x £3.50)
Items Total: £133.90
Delivery Total: £8.50
VAT Total: £28.48
Total: £170.88


Thanks.
If I ever need to build the same, I'll keep this in mind.
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On Friday, 30 March 2018 10:47:41 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 29/03/2018 23:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
As a supplementary, I used an angle grinder with a metal cutting disc in a
bench stand to cut the tube last time. OK, but not perfect.

I've got an old B&Q chop saw. No longer used as I have a very nice Makita
compound mitre sliding one. Would it be possible to find a mild steel
cutting blade for that? Being so much larger than the angle grinder stand,
easier to set the tube lengths and clamp in place, etc.


Tungsten tipped blades cut mild steel with ease.
I have an evolution mitre saw (£25 second off ebay).
You need a fine toothed blade for something with thin walls.
Also be gentle.

I used it for alu 20x20 extrusions for a bit of 3d printer I was
modifying a few weeks ago and the result was perfect.

I have also used it to "plane" down metal after giving up with a file.


generally yes, but the aldi tct blades dulled after gently cutting through a few buried nails though


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On Friday, 30 March 2018 10:47:41 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 29/03/2018 23:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
As a supplementary, I used an angle grinder with a metal cutting
disc in a bench stand to cut the tube last time. OK, but not perfect.

I've got an old B&Q chop saw. No longer used as I have a very nice
Makita compound mitre sliding one. Would it be possible to find a
mild steel cutting blade for that? Being so much larger than the
angle grinder stand, easier to set the tube lengths and clamp in
place, etc.


Tungsten tipped blades cut mild steel with ease. I have an evolution
mitre saw (£25 second off ebay). You need a fine toothed blade for
something with thin walls. Also be gentle.

I used it for alu 20x20 extrusions for a bit of 3d printer I was
modifying a few weeks ago and the result was perfect.

I have also used it to "plane" down metal after giving up with a file.


generally yes, but the aldi tct blades dulled after gently cutting through a few buried nails though



I'd guess you'd need a finer tooth pitch/different tooth profile for
cutting steel than the more common one for wood, etc? I've cut ally with
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On 30/03/2018 10:47, dennis@home wrote:
On 29/03/2018 23:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
As a supplementary, I used an angle grinder with a metal cutting disc
in a
bench stand to cut the tube last time. OK, but not perfect.

I've got an old B&Q chop saw. No longer used as I have a very nice Makita
compound mitre sliding one. Would it be possible to find a mild steel
cutting blade for that? Being so much larger than the angle grinder
stand,
easier to set the tube lengths and clamp in place, etc.


Tungsten tipped blades cut mild steel with ease.
I have an evolution mitre saw (£25 second off ebay).
You need a fine toothed blade for something with thin walls.
Also be gentle.

I used it for alu 20x20 extrusions for a bit of 3d printer I was
modifying a few weeks ago and the result was perfect.

I have also used it to "plane" down metal after giving up with a file.


+1, I have an evolution chop saw, and it is fine for speedfit type tube,
also ordinary old fashioned dexion.


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On 29/03/2018 21:04, Andrew wrote:
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All sounds a bit expensive to me.
Â* Nothing off the shelf that will suit? Some time ago I got some made
out of
wrought iron cheaper than that but the guy retired.
Â* Brian

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On 30/03/2018 10:47, dennis@home wrote:
On 29/03/2018 23:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
As a supplementary, I used an angle grinder with a metal cutting disc
in a
bench stand to cut the tube last time. OK, but not perfect.

I've got an old B&Q chop saw. No longer used as I have a very nice Makita
compound mitre sliding one. Would it be possible to find a mild steel
cutting blade for that? Being so much larger than the angle grinder
stand,
easier to set the tube lengths and clamp in place, etc.


Tungsten tipped blades cut mild steel with ease.
I have an evolution mitre saw (£25 second off ebay).
You need a fine toothed blade for something with thin walls.
Also be gentle.

I used it for alu 20x20 extrusions for a bit of 3d printer I was
modifying a few weeks ago and the result was perfect.

I have also used it to "plane" down metal after giving up with a file.


+1, I have an evolution chop saw, and it is fine for speedfit type tube,
also ordinary old fashioned dexion.


Do they run at a different speed from that likely with my B&Q one?

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On 29/03/2018 23:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


As a supplementary, I used an angle grinder with a metal cutting
disc in a bench stand to cut the tube last time. OK, but not perfect.

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Look at the evolution range of blades - they do ones for steel (and
other stuff)


I know my mitre saw cuts steel with ease according to Evolution, but I
think I'll stick with hacksaws and angle grinders rather than risk
dulling the blade. I do have some fairly large aluminium tube to cut,
I'll be interested to see how it will cope with that.

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On 31/03/18 02:46, Rob Morley wrote:
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John Rumm wrote:

Look at the evolution range of blades - they do ones for steel (and
other stuff)


I know my mitre saw cuts steel with ease according to Evolution, but I
think I'll stick with hacksaws and angle grinders rather than risk
dulling the blade. I do have some fairly large aluminium tube to cut,
I'll be interested to see how it will cope with that.

Aluminium can be cut with a standard wood cutting blade, and without
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*** Richard wrote:
For a start, you don't know the size of the speakers. The stands also
include a mounting for the power amp for the speaker.


OK. I don't because psychic v1.0 not installed. Enlighten me and then
provide cost difference between the two sources.
Always willing to learn.


Well, if you want a copy of the order, here it is. If you want to work
out
the most expensive way of building them. ;-)

Code**** Name**** Details**** Qty**** Price
TZ3WF**** 25mm Square Tube System
3 Way Flat Joint**** Black**** 16**** £56.00
(16 x £3.50)
TZAFS**** 25mm Square Tube System
Adjustable Feet PACK 4******** 2**** £10.40
(2 x £5.20)
TZ3TB**** 25mm Square Tube System
3m Length Black Steel Square Tube**** Black**** 3**** £25.50
(3 x £8.50)
TZ2W**** 25mm Square Tube System
2 Way Joint**** Black**** 4**** £12.00
(4 x £3.00)
TZSF/BA**** 25mm Square Tube System
2m Length Aluminium Single Finned Square Tube**** Black**** 1**** £16.00
(1 x £16.00)
TZ3W**** 25mm Square Tube System
3 Way Joint**** Black**** 4**** £14.00
(4 x £3.50)
****Items Total:**** £133.90
****Delivery Total:**** £8.50
****VAT Total:**** £28.48
****Total:**** £170.88


Thanks.
If I ever need to build the same, I'll keep this in mind.


+1. That's a lot of cuts though - would a chop saw/decent blade work here?

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It is probably priced in dollars and the pound is about 18% down on the
dollar since this day four years ago.


But weren't we told leaving the EU would make imports cheaper?


We haven't left the EU
Could the price increase be because of a 35% EU tariff imposed on steel
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On 30/03/2018 11:58, Richard wrote:
On 30/03/18 11:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Richard wrote:
For a start, you don't know the size of the speakers. The stands also
include a mounting for the power amp for the speaker.


OK. I don't because psychic v1.0 not installed. Enlighten me and then
provide cost difference between the two sources.
Always willing to learn.

Well, if you want a copy of the order, here it is. If you want to work
out
the most expensive way of building them. ;-)

Code Name Details Qty Price
TZ3WF 25mm Square Tube System
3 Way Flat Joint Black 16 £56.00
(16 x £3.50)
TZAFS 25mm Square Tube System
Adjustable Feet PACK 4 2 £10.40
(2 x £5.20)
TZ3TB 25mm Square Tube System
3m Length Black Steel Square Tube Black 3 £25.50
(3 x £8.50)
TZ2W 25mm Square Tube System
2 Way Joint Black 4 £12.00
(4 x £3.00)
TZSF/BA 25mm Square Tube System
2m Length Aluminium Single Finned Square Tube Black 1 £16.00
(1 x £16.00)
TZ3W 25mm Square Tube System
3 Way Joint Black 4 £14.00
(4 x £3.50)
Items Total: £133.90
Delivery Total: £8.50
VAT Total: £28.48
Total: £170.88


Thanks.
If I ever need to build the same, I'll keep this in mind.


+1. That's a lot of cuts though - would a chop saw/decent blade work here?


I used an angle grinder with a steel cutting disc (or more accurately
several) before. But the stand for it isn't as nice as the chop saw I have
(but no longer use) Trouble is it's a B&Q cheapy and uses 210mm blades
with an 18mm bore, so not exactly standard. And 18mm adaptor rings ain't
the easiest to find either. Also not sure if it runs rather fast for a
steel cutting blade - the ones I've seen say about 2500 rpm max.

There are a lot of cuts needed - something like 50 or so. My Makita makes
as good a job of cutting ally tube as wood, and it would be nice to be
able to get the same result as easily with steel. Not forgetting the tube
is painted, so don't want to damage that through heat, etc.

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On Saturday, 31 March 2018 16:00:17 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I used an angle grinder with a steel cutting disc (or more accurately
several) before. But the stand for it isn't as nice as the chop saw I have
(but no longer use) Trouble is it's a B&Q cheapy and uses 210mm blades
with an 18mm bore, so not exactly standard. And 18mm adaptor rings ain't
the easiest to find either.


I made my last one in under 2 minutes. What size spindle?

Also not sure if it runs rather fast for a
steel cutting blade - the ones I've seen say about 2500 rpm max.


that does need to be addressed, don't overspeed them. 2500 does seem slow though.


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I used an angle grinder with a steel cutting disc (or more accurately
several) before. But the stand for it isn't as nice as the chop saw I have
(but no longer use) Trouble is it's a B&Q cheapy and uses 210mm blades
with an 18mm bore, so not exactly standard. And 18mm adaptor rings ain't
the easiest to find either.


I made my last one in under 2 minutes. What size spindle?


The blades I've got are marked 18mm, so I assume the spindle is that.
Haven't yet dug it out from its hiding place.

Not sure what sizes of bore are common for a 210mm steel cutting blade,
though. Only ready made adaptor I've found is 30 to 18mm.

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*My wife and I had words. But I didn't get to use mine.

Dave Plowman London SW
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