I don't think there is anyone squeamish on here, but if you are look away
now. :-)
..
..
..
..
..
This concerns the design of toilet pans.

Our RAK toilets have a broad pan, a narrow throat with vertical sides, and
a flat bottom (insert joke of choice here).

This design seems to encourage skid marks and the use of the toilet brush.

On my occasional travels I note that most other toilets have a wider
throat with more of a slope and no flat bottom and these don't seem to
collect the skid marks in the same way, and tend to flush clean.

Just wondering if there is an issue with the toilet design we have, and if
most toilets don't have this problem.

Cheers



Dave R


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On 01/01/2018 21:06, David wrote:

Our RAK toilets have a broad pan, a narrow throat with vertical sides, and
a flat bottom (insert joke of choice here).

I have a RAK designed toilet and I wouldn't get the same design again.
A broad squared off pan at the front with a near horizontal surface with
a throat at the back with very steep sides. What tends to happen is the
**** gets deposited in the horizontal bit of the pan (for inspection)
and then flushed down to the throat afterwards. Not too bad with a firm
poo but diarrhea tends to stick like **** and requires the brush to tidy
up the remains. The skid marks are at the front of the pan rather than
in the throat. The only advantage seems to be that a flush always
disposes of all the paper when too much has been used - unlike the pan
it replaced which was a more traditional design.


Just wondering if there is an issue with the toilet design we have, and if
most toilets don't have this problem.


Yes it's the design.



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David wrote:

I don't think there is anyone squeamish on here, but if you are look away
now. :-)
.
.
.
.
.
This concerns the design of toilet pans.

Our RAK toilets have a broad pan, a narrow throat with vertical sides, and
a flat bottom (insert joke of choice here).

This design seems to encourage skid marks and the use of the toilet brush.

On my occasional travels I note that most other toilets have a wider
throat with more of a slope and no flat bottom and these don't seem to
collect the skid marks in the same way, and tend to flush clean.

Just wondering if there is an issue with the toilet design we have, and if
most toilets don't have this problem.

Cheers



Dave R

Sounds like a German sort of design. I have heard it said that they
find examining their stools useful. Or at least gratifying.


--

Roger Hayter

On Mon, 01 Jan 2018 22:09:09 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:

David wrote:

I don't think there is anyone squeamish on here, but if you are look
away now. :-)
.
.
.
.
.
This concerns the design of toilet pans.

Our RAK toilets have a broad pan, a narrow throat with vertical sides,
and a flat bottom (insert joke of choice here).

This design seems to encourage skid marks and the use of the toilet
brush.

On my occasional travels I note that most other toilets have a wider
throat with more of a slope and no flat bottom and these don't seem to
collect the skid marks in the same way, and tend to flush clean.

Just wondering if there is an issue with the toilet design we have, and
if most toilets don't have this problem.

Cheers



Dave R

Sounds like a German sort of design. I have heard it said that they
find examining their stools useful. Or at least gratifying.

With that type of toilet pan, all you need to do to eliminate skid marks
is to place a single (or maybe a doubled) sheet of bog roll down in the
shallow puddle for your poop to land on. This neatly prevents the ****
hitting the pan, allowing it glide away on the flush without leaving a
skid mark.

--
Johnny B Good

Roger Hayter wrote:

Sounds like a German sort of design. I have heard it said that they
find examining their stools useful. Or at least gratifying.

It was pretty standard in Poland back in the '60s and '70s when I was
there training (as in being trained).

My take at the time was that it was cheaper/efficient to make all loo
pans the same (communist country then) and the 'flat' area was needed
for hospitals and such for poo examination. I was probably completely
wrong! :-)

--
Chris Green
·

In article ,
David writes:
I don't think there is anyone squeamish on here, but if you are look away
now. :-)
.
.
.
.
.
This concerns the design of toilet pans.

Our RAK toilets have a broad pan, a narrow throat with vertical sides, and
a flat bottom (insert joke of choice here).

This design seems to encourage skid marks and the use of the toilet brush.

On my occasional travels I note that most other toilets have a wider
throat with more of a slope and no flat bottom and these don't seem to
collect the skid marks in the same way, and tend to flush clean.

Just wondering if there is an issue with the toilet design we have, and if
most toilets don't have this problem.

In many countries, toilets are routinely supplied with non-stick
coatings. In the UK, domestic toilets aren't.

Reason given by one manufacturer who supplies in UK and elsewhere
is that in the UK, men choose the toilet and don't consider skid marks
an issue because someone else always cleans them off. In countries
where the person selecting the toilet is also the person who cleans it,
non-stick coatings are standard, because no one buys a toilet without
them.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On 02/01/2018 10:28, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:14:02 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

Roger Hayter wrote:

Sounds like a German sort of design. I have heard it said that they
find examining their stools useful. Or at least gratifying.

It was pretty standard in Poland back in the '60s and '70s when I was
there training (as in being trained).

My take at the time was that it was cheaper/efficient to make all loo
pans the same (communist country then) and the 'flat' area was needed
for hospitals and such for poo examination. I was probably completely
wrong! :-)

Before I retired, I used to work for a company that supplied raw
materials to the ceramic industries of the UK and Europe, including
sanitaryware, and would occasionally visit continental sanitaryware
factories either to introduce new materials to them or assist in
sorting manufacturing problems. The flat shelf in toilets was pretty
common in Germany in the 1970's and 80's and presumably long before
that. It wasn't particularly a 'communist' thing, and our local agent
in Germany told me it was so that people could examine their stools.

Maybe in the pre- and post-war eras, diets in Europe weren't as good
as today due to food shortages and people having to eat what they
could get, and perhaps people got 'worms' more often, but today I
don't think those flat shelf toilets are commonly made, but I'm not
close to the industry any more.

Was the shelf under the water? Otherwise it would stink until you flushed.

--
Max Demian

In article ,
Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:14:02 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

Roger Hayter wrote:

Sounds like a German sort of design. I have heard it said that they
find examining their stools useful. Or at least gratifying.

It was pretty standard in Poland back in the '60s and '70s when I was
there training (as in being trained).

My take at the time was that it was cheaper/efficient to make all loo
pans the same (communist country then) and the 'flat' area was needed
for hospitals and such for poo examination. I was probably completely
wrong! :-)

Before I retired, I used to work for a company that supplied raw
materials to the ceramic industries of the UK and Europe, including
sanitaryware, and would occasionally visit continental sanitaryware
factories either to introduce new materials to them or assist in
sorting manufacturing problems. The flat shelf in toilets was pretty
common in Germany in the 1970's and 80's and presumably long before
that. It wasn't particularly a 'communist' thing, and our local agent
in Germany told me it was so that people could examine their stools.

certainly fitted in the hotel I was staying at in Hamburg in the late '70s.

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On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 08:32:41 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:

The other thing that effects it is the texture of the jobbie, which in
turn is a reflection of the diet of the jobber. Soft squidgy jobbies are
more likely to leave skids than rock-hard marbles, although brown soup
probably won't leave marks. There is a scale of jobbie textures, known
as the Bristol stool scale:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_stool_scale

Enjoy your breakfast!

Perhaps this for breakfast?

http://sobadass.files.wordpress.com/...828-005041.jpg

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On 02/01/2018 08:32, Chris Hogg wrote:

Toilet designs changed around the time that water metering and
volume-related water charging came in, and low-volume flush toilets
became popular.

I remember in the seventies (when hardly anyone had a water meter) we
were urged to stick a brick in the cistern to conserve water, and some
people objected, "Bricks in the cistern, bugs in the pan." Then they
redesigned the toilet so it used less water and we were asked to put a
plastic hippopotamus in the cistern.

Why don't people just trust WC designers to know how much water is required?

--
Max Demian

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:47:28 -0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:


In many countries, toilets are routinely supplied with non-stick
coatings. In the UK, domestic toilets aren't.

Reason given by one manufacturer who supplies in UK and elsewhere
is that in the UK, men choose the toilet and don't consider skid marks
an issue because someone else always cleans them off.

I keep meaning to see how effective a coating of Rain X,the stuff sold
for vehicle windows would be . Has any one every tried it in such an
application and did it last well enough with any regular cleaning to
be be worth applying it ?

G.Harman

Max Demian wrote:
On 02/01/2018 10:28, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:14:02 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

Roger Hayter wrote:

Sounds like a German sort of design. I have heard it said that they
find examining their stools useful. Or at least gratifying.

It was pretty standard in Poland back in the '60s and '70s when I was
there training (as in being trained).

My take at the time was that it was cheaper/efficient to make all loo
pans the same (communist country then) and the 'flat' area was needed
for hospitals and such for poo examination. I was probably completely
wrong! :-)

Before I retired, I used to work for a company that supplied raw
materials to the ceramic industries of the UK and Europe, including
sanitaryware, and would occasionally visit continental sanitaryware
factories either to introduce new materials to them or assist in
sorting manufacturing problems. The flat shelf in toilets was pretty
common in Germany in the 1970's and 80's and presumably long before
that. It wasn't particularly a 'communist' thing, and our local agent
in Germany told me it was so that people could examine their stools.

Maybe in the pre- and post-war eras, diets in Europe weren't as good
as today due to food shortages and people having to eat what they
could get, and perhaps people got 'worms' more often, but today I
don't think those flat shelf toilets are commonly made, but I'm not
close to the industry any more.

Was the shelf under the water? Otherwise it would stink until you flushed.

Not on the Polish ones, there was a sort of 1/2" deep puddle on the
shelf if I remember (it was a fair old time ago!).

--
Chris Green
·

In article , Max Demian
wrote:
On 02/01/2018 08:32, Chris Hogg wrote:

Toilet designs changed around the time that water metering and
volume-related water charging came in, and low-volume flush toilets
became popular.

I remember in the seventies (when hardly anyone had a water meter) we
were urged to stick a brick in the cistern to conserve water, and some
people objected, "Bricks in the cistern, bugs in the pan." Then they
redesigned the toilet so it used less water and we were asked to put a
plastic hippopotamus in the cistern.

Why don't people just trust WC designers to know how much water is
required?

the water is needed to flush the waste into the main sewer. A smaller
quantity if probably fine in urban areas where there are short sewer runs,
but when your house is 100m from the road, as our previous one was, you
need the greater quantity of water.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 11:46:49 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 11:33:24 +0000, damduck-egg wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:47:28 -0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:


In many countries, toilets are routinely supplied with non-stick
coatings. In the UK, domestic toilets aren't.

I keep meaning to see how effective a coating of Rain X,the stuff sold
for vehicle windows would be .

You could start with rubbing half a potato on it ?

I would have to have to dispose of it promptly, would not want the
missus serving it up with my lunch.

G.Harman

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 11:56:04 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 11:22:36 +0000, Max Demian
wrote:


Was the shelf under the water? Otherwise it would stink until you flushed.

No, above the water, and yes, you sat in your own fumes until you
flushed it away. Image here http://bit.ly/2CCYFIf I suppose you could
s(h)it on it facing the wall if you were squeamish about these things
and your aim was good

As was tried by at least one school mate circa 1968 in a Swiss Hostel
for school trips, the rest of us got to know about it because his poor
aim and a big arse meant he missed the pan completely.

G.Harman

On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 10:47:31 AM UTC, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
David writes:
I don't think there is anyone squeamish on here, but if you are look away
now. :-)
.
.
.
.
.
This concerns the design of toilet pans.

Our RAK toilets have a broad pan, a narrow throat with vertical sides, and
a flat bottom (insert joke of choice here).

This design seems to encourage skid marks and the use of the toilet brush.

On my occasional travels I note that most other toilets have a wider
throat with more of a slope and no flat bottom and these don't seem to
collect the skid marks in the same way, and tend to flush clean.

Just wondering if there is an issue with the toilet design we have, and if
most toilets don't have this problem.

In many countries, toilets are routinely supplied with non-stick
coatings. In the UK, domestic toilets aren't.

Reason given by one manufacturer who supplies in UK and elsewhere
is that in the UK, men choose the toilet and don't consider skid marks
an issue because someone else always cleans them off. In countries
where the person selecting the toilet is also the person who cleans it,
non-stick coatings are standard, because no one buys a toilet without
them.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Someone else cleans off the skid marks??? What sort of savage doesn't check the bowl after flushing to ensure it is clean?

Disgusting

On Mon, 01 Jan 2018 22:09:09 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:

David wrote:

I don't think there is anyone squeamish on here, but if you are look
away now. :-)
.
.
.
.
.
This concerns the design of toilet pans.

Our RAK toilets have a broad pan, a narrow throat with vertical sides,
and a flat bottom (insert joke of choice here).

This design seems to encourage skid marks and the use of the toilet
brush.

On my occasional travels I note that most other toilets have a wider
throat with more of a slope and no flat bottom and these don't seem to
collect the skid marks in the same way, and tend to flush clean.

Just wondering if there is an issue with the toilet design we have, and
if most toilets don't have this problem.

Cheers



Dave R

Sounds like a German sort of design. I have heard it said that they
find examining their stools useful. Or at least gratifying.

In my case it isn't a flat surface to crap on; I have seen these mainly in
the USA with a "wash across" rather than a "wash down". Although my Granny
did have an outside toilet of this design, probably pre-1900, which was a
work of art.

I seem to be able to crap down into the water, just not always flush the
results completely.

I don't think it is a stool consistency issue as such because my
observations are based on me crapping in various toilets around the
country. Some flush clean. some don't.

Then again I may have a non-standard arse. :-)

Cheers



Dave R


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Chris Hogg wrote:

On 2 Jan 2018 11:25:39 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 08:32:41 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:

The other thing that effects it is the texture of the jobbie, which in
turn is a reflection of the diet of the jobber. Soft squidgy jobbies are
more likely to leave skids than rock-hard marbles, although brown soup
probably won't leave marks. There is a scale of jobbie textures, known
as the Bristol stool scale:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_stool_scale

Enjoy your breakfast!

Perhaps this for breakfast?

http://sobadass.files.wordpress.com/...828-005041.jpg

chuckles Oh, horrible! chuckles again. Chocolate, I assume (I
hope!). I imagine it was made by the nursing staff in the colo-rectal
department of a hospital, possibly for the benefit of the senior
proctologist!

I would think it was rather crude Photoshopping (other image
manipulation programs are available) of the Bristol Stool Chart, which
is freely available online.


--

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In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
David writes:
I don't think there is anyone squeamish on here, but if you are look away
now. :-)
.
.
.
.
.
This concerns the design of toilet pans.

Our RAK toilets have a broad pan, a narrow throat with vertical sides, and
a flat bottom (insert joke of choice here).

This design seems to encourage skid marks and the use of the toilet brush.

On my occasional travels I note that most other toilets have a wider
throat with more of a slope and no flat bottom and these don't seem to
collect the skid marks in the same way, and tend to flush clean.

Just wondering if there is an issue with the toilet design we have, and if
most toilets don't have this problem.

In many countries, toilets are routinely supplied with non-stick
coatings. In the UK, domestic toilets aren't.

Reason given by one manufacturer who supplies in UK and elsewhere
is that in the UK, men choose the toilet and don't consider skid marks
an issue because someone else always cleans them off. In countries
where the person selecting the toilet is also the person who cleans it,
non-stick coatings are standard, because no one buys a toilet without
them.

Interesting as I am in the market for 3 new ones! Of the 5 fitted in the
current house, skid marks appear related to the quality of the glaze
rather than shape/cost of the bowl.


--
Tim Lamb

Been in current house since 1988 and we do not even own a toilet brush -
they seem digusting things. In the event of a mark then a driblle of
Domestos soon makes it go,

On Monday, 1 January 2018 21:06:07 UTC, David WE Roberts (Google) wrote:
I don't think there is anyone squeamish on here, but if you are look away
now. :-)
.
.
.
.
.
This concerns the design of toilet pans.

Our RAK toilets have a broad pan, a narrow throat with vertical sides, and
a flat bottom (insert joke of choice here).

This design seems to encourage skid marks and the use of the toilet brush.

On my occasional travels I note that most other toilets have a wider
throat with more of a slope and no flat bottom and these don't seem to
collect the skid marks in the same way, and tend to flush clean.

Just wondering if there is an issue with the toilet design we have, and if
most toilets don't have this problem.

Cheers



Dave R




The toilet seat needs moving.
You can buy adjustable hinges to do this if they aren't already fitted.

On Monday, 1 January 2018 21:06:07 UTC, David WE Roberts (Google) wrote:
I don't think there is anyone squeamish on here, but if you are look away
now. :-)

Huh.

I was quite excited (well, moderately anticipatory) when I saw Tai Bach Y Byd on the Welsh TV channel. "Little Houses of the World". I though it would be something like George Clarke's series on small buildings but with a more international flavour.

I was mistaken, and some of you may be ahead of me at this point.

On watching it, it became apparent that it was about what in Welsh is called (politely) the Ty Bach ("Little House") or (less politely) the Ty Cachi ("**** House") and featured a variety of lavatorial arrangements from around the world. The programme or segment I inadvertently dipped into, err I mean saw, (for about 5 minutes) was about the toilets in Bangladesh, many of which have neither flush nor U-bends. Quite, quite, quite disgusting.

Mr Parry's tale of smoking in a communal latrine in Herefordshire is tame by comparison.

Why S4C thought that anyone would want to watch close ups of Bangladesh's crapping arrangements at any time, let alone Christmas, is completely beyond me. Perhaps it was intended as a purgative for anyone who hadn't already lost their stomach contents over the vomit-inducing syrupyness of the little children singing songs about Jesus.

Owain

David wrote:
I don't think there is anyone squeamish on here, but if you are look
away now. :-)
.
.
.
.
.
This concerns the design of toilet pans.

Our RAK toilets have a broad pan, a narrow throat with vertical
sides, and a flat bottom (insert joke of choice here).

This design seems to encourage skid marks and the use of the toilet
brush.

On my occasional travels I note that most other toilets have a wider
throat with more of a slope and no flat bottom and these don't seem to
collect the skid marks in the same way, and tend to flush clean.

Just wondering if there is an issue with the toilet design we have,
and if most toilets don't have this problem.

Cheers


Dave R

Just chuck a few sheets of toilet tissue down before taking a dump. No skid
marks.
This also removes the need for a toilet brush with bits of **** on it sat by
the toilet.

On 03/01/2018 17:35, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 09:20:12 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Monday, 1 January 2018 21:06:07 UTC, David WE Roberts (Google) wrote:
I don't think there is anyone squeamish on here, but if you are look away
now. :-)

Huh.

I was quite excited (well, moderately anticipatory) when I saw Tai Bach Y Byd on the Welsh TV channel. "Little Houses of the World". I though it would be something like George Clarke's series on small buildings but with a more international flavour.

I was mistaken, and some of you may be ahead of me at this point.

On watching it, it became apparent that it was about what in Welsh is called (politely) the Ty Bach ("Little House") or (less politely) the Ty Cachi ("**** House") and featured a variety of lavatorial arrangements from around the world. The programme or segment I inadvertently dipped into, err I mean saw, (for about 5 minutes) was about the toilets in Bangladesh, many of which have neither flush nor U-bends. Quite, quite, quite disgusting.

Mr Parry's tale of smoking in a communal latrine in Herefordshire is tame by comparison.

Why S4C thought that anyone would want to watch close ups of Bangladesh's crapping arrangements at any time, let alone Christmas, is completely beyond me. Perhaps it was intended as a purgative for anyone who hadn't already lost their stomach contents over the vomit-inducing syrupyness of the little children singing songs about Jesus.

Owain

The French used to use a 'squat toilet'. Still found in some of the
rural parts in the far SW of the country, at least they were in the
1970's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squat_toilet Revolting things.

Aha! Otherwise known as "The long drop". It takes a bit of faith that
"things" will fall clear of clothing but I got to quite like them, but I
never tried one after a curry. :-O)
A pal worked in the UAE for a while and got to like the "hose pipe and
hand" method but I even balk at having to put the paper in a bin in some
parts of the world, rather than down the bog.

On 03/01/18 17:35, Chris Hogg wrote:

The French used to use a 'squat toilet'. Still found in some of the
rural parts in the far SW of the country, at least they were in the
1970's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squat_toilet Revolting things.


a 'flush and rush'

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(–€Ì¿Ä¹Ì¯–€Ì¿ Ì¿)
No low-hanging fruit, just a lot of small berries up a tall tree.

On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 17:35:07 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:



The French used to use a 'squat toilet'. Still found in some of the
rural parts in the far SW of the country, at least they were in the
1970's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squat_toilet Revolting things.

A mate took a job with BMW in Germany in the 70's just because he
fancied living there for a while and learning German.

A constant problem in the factory was the Turkish Gastarbeiter trying
to use the German style toilets as squat ones and standing on the
seats resulting in broken seats or seats covered in ****ty footprints
as the mess went everywhere.

Used correctly and kept clean I believe a squat toilet is supposedly
better anatomically for the body to eject its waste but the French
ones rarely were . Possibly why they think Saniflos are wonderful.

G.Harman