http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"
If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon.*There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called*VoIP*and it?s*changing the way we use phone
services*in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?
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"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ... and had been around for years and who would trust the
internet in an emergency ...........

"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

you missed the fact that it was an advert ....

On 30/11/2017 09:05, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ... and had been around for years and who would trust the
internet in an emergency ...........




Moot. You still need a landline.

jim k wrote

http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system

"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well skyrocket soon.

Just another sales****wit lie.

There is a solution?it's replacing landlines
and much more reliable than cell phone

Just another sales****wit lie.

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way
we use phone services in our own homes."

I hardly ever use mine anymore, mobile leaves it for
dead, essentially because I can use it anywhere and
it costs just $10/month for unlimited calls and texts
and MMS to any landline or mobile in the country.

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

Nope, just another sales****wit lie.

"Andy Bennet" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 30/11/2017 09:05, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ... and had been around for years and who would trust the
internet in an emergency ...........




Moot. You still need a landline.

why? ...

Why would landlines go up? Old tech surely? Voip is OK but the quality of
said lines is total crap these days as corporate use them a lot and the
bandwidth gets cut to the bone. Indeed some years ago my Vonage system would
not even cope with an audio tone dialer down the line to get numbers that
worked perfectly on old tech with the same telephone handset.

I personally feel we all should be demanding better telephone bandwidth as
standard these days, the quality of the telephone is no different and
sometimes far worse than the very first telephones were. We are being sold a
pup and being ripped off in my view.
Brian

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"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

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Many people seem to be managing with just a mobile contract, but the
quality of mobile calls is also crap. Listen to any phone in show on the
radio if you want proof of this.
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"jim" k wrote in message
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http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ... and had been around for years and who would trust the
internet in an emergency ...........




Moot. You still need a landline.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
jim k wrote

http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system

"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well skyrocket soon.

Just another sales****wit lie.

There is a solution?it's replacing landlines
and much more reliable than cell phone

Just another sales****wit lie.

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way
we use phone services in our own homes."

I hardly ever use mine anymore, mobile leaves it for
dead, essentially because I can use it anywhere and
it costs just $10/month for unlimited calls and texts
and MMS to any landline or mobile in the country.

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

Nope, just another sales****wit lie.


just like this one.....

http://best-hd-antenna.com/legal-use...uncover-truth/

"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
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"jim" k wrote in message
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http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ...

Mine works fine.

and had been around for years and who would trust the internet in an
emergency ...........

Don’t get enough to matter and anyone with
even half a clue has a mobile for them anyway

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news
Many people seem to be managing with just a mobile contract, but the
quality of mobile calls is also crap. Listen to any phone in show on the
radio if you want proof of this.
Brian

hell of a lot better now than in the 90's when digital first appeared ...
you couldn't even till if the wife was angry with you over the phone it was
so bad ....

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news
Why would landlines go up? Old tech surely? Voip is OK but the quality of
said lines is total crap these days as corporate use them a lot and the
bandwidth gets cut to the bone. Indeed some years ago my Vonage system
would not even cope with an audio tone dialer down the line to get numbers
that worked perfectly on old tech with the same telephone handset.

I personally feel we all should be demanding better telephone bandwidth as
standard these days, the quality of the telephone is no different and
sometimes far worse than the very first telephones were. We are being sold
a pup and being ripped off in my view.
Brian

very true ....

"Andy Bennet" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 30/11/2017 09:05, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ... and had been around for years and who would trust the
internet in an emergency ...........




Moot. You still need a landline.

Nope.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
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"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ...

Mine works fine.

and had been around for years and who would trust the internet in an
emergency ...........

Don’t get enough to matter and anyone with
even half a clue has a mobile with them anyway

are there not some organisations left that demand a land line when you are
filling in a form on the net ? ......

Brian Gaff wrote

Why would landlines go up?

Because they can.

Old tech surely?

Yes, but when the landline was govt operation,
they weren't allowed to charge anything they liked,
particularly for the line rent and now that hardly any
govt does them anymore they can charge what they like.

In our case its now over $35 a month and calls are extra.

Plenty of mobile plans for $10/month with
unlimited calls and texts and MMSs to any
landline or mobile in the country and 1GB of data.

Voip is OK but the quality of said lines is total crap these days

Mine isnt.

as corporate use them a lot and the bandwidth gets cut to the bone.

Mine doesn’t.

Indeed some years ago my Vonage system would not even cope with an audio
tone dialer down the line to get numbers that worked perfectly on old tech
with the same telephone handset.

Then you need a better VSP.

I personally feel we all should be demanding better telephone bandwidth as
standard these days,

I don’t need to, what I get is fine.

the quality of the telephone is no different and sometimes far worse than
the very first telephones were.

That’s bull****. Don’t get anything like as
bad as the old carbon mic phones now.

We are being sold a pup

You might be, I'm not.

and being ripped off in my view.

That’s even sillier than you usually manage with
$10/month for unlimited calls, texts and MMSs
to any landline or mobile in the country and 1GB
of data. Doesn’t cost much more for that to the
10 most important countrys in the world too.

"jim" k wrote in message
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"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?
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Brian Gaff wrote

Many people seem to be managing with just a mobile contract,

Yep, and plenty I know don’t even plug a phone into
their landline because all they get on that is spam.

but the quality of mobile calls is also crap.

Mine isnt.

Listen to any phone in show on the radio if you want proof of this.

That’s just their ****ed interface.

"Andy Bennet" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 30/11/2017 09:05, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ... and had been around for years and who would trust the
internet in an emergency ...........




Moot. You still need a landline.

"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
...

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
news

"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ...

Mine works fine.

and had been around for years and who would trust the internet in an
emergency ...........

Don’t get enough to matter and anyone with
even half a clue has a mobile with them anyway

are there not some organisations left that demand a land line when you are
filling in a form on the net ? ......

Nope, and there is no way they can work out that mine is a voip anyway.

On 30/11/17 09:05, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ... and had been around for years and who would trust the
internet in an emergency ...........


Voip is in fact ,marvellous.

But I agree about trusting the internet during even a power cut.

That why you have a mobile...


--
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news paper, you are mis-informed."

Mark Twain

On 30/11/17 09:28, Andy Bennet wrote:
On 30/11/2017 09:05, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ... and had been around for years and who would trust the
internet in an emergency ...........




Moot. You still need a landline.

Or fibre, or cable.

Or microwave dish.


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news paper, you are mis-informed."

Mark Twain

On 30/11/2017 09:46, Brian Gaff wrote:
Why would landlines go up? Old tech surely? Voip is OK but the quality of
said lines is total crap these days as corporate use them a lot and the
bandwidth gets cut to the bone. Indeed some years ago my Vonage system would
not even cope with an audio tone dialer down the line to get numbers that
worked perfectly on old tech with the same telephone handset.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom...n-bt-customers

"BT customers who buy only a landline telephone service will see their
monthly bills slashed by £7 per month, following an Ofcom review."

But:

"Ofcom also wants to help people who buy a telephone service from one
provider and broadband from another.

"While the price cut will not apply to this group, the agreement
requires BT to help these customers take advantage of the deals on offer
in the market, by explaining that they could get a better deal if they
purchased services as part of a bundle."

(Whatever that means.)

--
Max Demian

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/11/17 09:05, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ... and had been around for years and who would trust the
internet in an emergency ...........


Voip is in fact ,marvellous.

But I agree about trusting the internet during even a power cut.

That why you have a mobile...

The last time we had a major power failure here, the local mobile mast
failed after about an hour. Mains outage was for far longer.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 11:07:46 +0000, Max Demian wrote:

On 30/11/2017 09:46, Brian Gaff wrote:
Why would landlines go up? Old tech surely? Voip is OK but the quality
of said lines is total crap these days as corporate use them a lot and
the bandwidth gets cut to the bone. Indeed some years ago my Vonage
system would not even cope with an audio tone dialer down the line to
get numbers that worked perfectly on old tech with the same telephone
handset.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom...releases/2017/
charges-cut-million-bt-customers

"BT customers who buy only a landline telephone service will see their
monthly bills slashed by £7 per month, following an Ofcom review."

But:

"Ofcom also wants to help people who buy a telephone service from one
provider and broadband from another.

"While the price cut will not apply to this group, the agreement
requires BT to help these customers take advantage of the deals on offer
in the market, by explaining that they could get a better deal if they
purchased services as part of a bundle."

(Whatever that means.)

Interesting! That explains the unsolicited offer of "Free, up to 17Mbps
ADSL2 unlimited Broadband for 18 months, no penalty early exit" "Black
Friday" deal I received almost a week ago. I *was briefly* tempted to
take advantage of it as an emergency fallback option to my 85Mbps VM
cable service but decided it was more trouble than it was worth. I'm very
glad I tore the letter up rather than take up this particular "Freeby".

I'm looking forward to the 21 quid a quarter reduction next year. It'll
be a very welcome reduction in my telephone bill. :-)

--
Johnny B Good

On 11/30/2017 6:22 AM, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Voip is in fact ,marvellous.

But I agree about trusting the internet during even a power cut.

That why you have a mobile...

The last time we had a major power failure here, the local mobile mast
failed after about an hour. Mains outage was for far longer.

Our last major power failure took out local mobile service almost
immediately. I tried three different phones - one on EE, one on O2, and
a US one, which should have been able to roam on whatever was available.
Nothing.
I keep an ancient corded handset in the hall cupboard for emergency use.

On 30/11/2017 11:22, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/11/17 09:05, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ... and had been around for years and who would trust the
internet in an emergency ...........


Voip is in fact ,marvellous.

But I agree about trusting the internet during even a power cut.

That why you have a mobile...

The last time we had a major power failure here, the local mobile mast
failed after about an hour. Mains outage was for far longer.


But the BT exchange has to support the 999 service, so it has
battery-backup or even a standby gen set.

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 30/11/2017 11:22, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/11/17 09:05, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ... and had been around for years and who would trust the
internet in an emergency ...........


Voip is in fact ,marvellous.

But I agree about trusting the internet during even a power cut.

That why you have a mobile...

The last time we had a major power failure here, the local mobile mast
failed after about an hour. Mains outage was for far longer.


But the BT exchange has to support the 999 service, so it has
battery-backup or even a standby gen set.

True, but in my case, the storm which took out the power also removed my
(oveerhead) phone line.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
...

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
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"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ...

Mine works fine.

and had been around for years and who would trust the internet in an
emergency ...........

Don’t get enough to matter and anyone with
even half a clue has a mobile with them anyway

are there not some organisations left that demand a land line when you
are filling in a form on the net ? ......

Nope, and there is no way they can work out that mine is a voip anyway.
fenestrating

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 30/11/17 09:28, Andy Bennet wrote:
On 30/11/2017 09:05, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ... and had been around for years and who would trust the
internet in an emergency ...........




Moot. You still need a landline.

Or fibre, or cable.

Or microwave dish.


or virgin where you don't need to pay for 'phone line rental .....

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:24:03 +0000, Huge wrote:

On 2017-11-30, Max Demian wrote:
On 30/11/2017 09:46, Brian Gaff wrote:
Why would landlines go up? Old tech surely? Voip is OK but the quality
of said lines is total crap these days as corporate use them a lot and
the bandwidth gets cut to the bone. Indeed some years ago my Vonage
system would not even cope with an audio tone dialer down the line to
get numbers that worked perfectly on old tech with the same telephone
handset.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom...releases/2017/
charges-cut-million-bt-customers

"BT customers who buy only a landline telephone service will see their
monthly bills slashed by £7 per month, following an Ofcom review."

But:

"Ofcom also wants to help people who buy a telephone service from one
provider and broadband from another.

"While the price cut will not apply to this group, the agreement
requires BT to help these customers take advantage of the deals on
offer in the market, by explaining that they could get a better deal if
they purchased services as part of a bundle."

(Whatever that means.)

It's cheaper to buy your landline and internet service from the same
company.

Not by quite as much as you might think. However, I'd rather retain the
diversity of keeping broadband and POTS suppliers completely separate.

--
Johnny B Good

Jethro_uk Wrote in message:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 11:05:45 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/11/17 09:05, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well skyrocket
soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and much more
reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone services in
our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ... and had been around for years and who would trust the
internet in an emergency ...........


Voip is in fact ,marvellous.

But I agree about trusting the internet during even a power cut.

That why you have a mobile...

In one of my more spectacular blond moments, I rigged my UPS up to *send
me an email* when the power was off, forgetting the modem and router were
not on the UPS ...



Have you had another blonde moment & setup your newsreader to post
everything twice?
--
Jim K


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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." Wrote in message:

"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

you missed the fact that it was an advert ....




An inept advert itym?
--
Jim K


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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
...

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
...

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
news
"jim" k wrote in message
...
http://www.talktechdaily.com/new-phone-system


"If you're paying for a landline, your bill may very well
skyrocket soon. There is a solution?it's replacing landlines and
much more reliable than cell phone

Snip

It?s called VoIP and it?s changing the way we use phone
services in our own homes."

Er.... Shurely shome mishtake?

VoIP IS CRAP ...

Mine works fine.

and had been around for years and who would trust the internet in an
emergency ...........

Don’t get enough to matter and anyone with
even half a clue has a mobile with them anyway

are there not some organisations left that demand a land line when you
are filling in a form on the net ? ......

Nope, and there is no way they can work out that mine is a voip anyway.

fenestrating

Nope.

On 30/11/2017 14:23, Johnny B Good wrote:
Not by quite as much as you might think. However, I'd rather retain the
diversity of keeping broadband and POTS suppliers completely separate.

You'll be lucky of you have the choice. Our copper and fibre are both
supplied by Openreach (indirectly).

Virgin don't come out here, and 4G? Don't be daft...

The only reason we still have the copper is BT's ineptitude. They can't
arrange for the POTS port on the fibre to take incoming calls.

Andy