I was just wondering if anyone here had any personal experience of /
with any of the various GSM / Autodialer type alarms, the likes of
eBay is cluttered with these days please?

The usage would be some general indication (via text / auto voice
message) of activity into (door switch x 2) or within (IR) a remote
building (that has mains power) and possibly in 'silent' mode (no need
/ point annoying the neighbours for accidental / nuisance trips).

We wouldn't mind spending a couple of extra quid for something tried
and tested and sanctioned by the panel. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

In article , T i m
scribeth thus
I was just wondering if anyone here had any personal experience of /
with any of the various GSM / Autodialer type alarms, the likes of
eBay is cluttered with these days please?

The usage would be some general indication (via text / auto voice
message) of activity into (door switch x 2) or within (IR) a remote
building (that has mains power) and possibly in 'silent' mode (no need
/ point annoying the neighbours for accidental / nuisance trips).

We wouldn't mind spending a couple of extra quid for something tried
and tested and sanctioned by the panel. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Cooper security do a GSM model alarm panel IIRC.

Or use a GSM phone adapter from TLC here;

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_In...essories_Index
/Orchid_Telecom_GSM/index.html

Then you can plug most any autodialler into that...
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Tony Sayer

On 12/03/2017 14:43, T i m wrote:
I was just wondering if anyone here had any personal experience of /
with any of the various GSM / Autodialer type alarms, the likes of
eBay is cluttered with these days please?

The usage would be some general indication (via text / auto voice
message) of activity into (door switch x 2) or within (IR) a remote
building (that has mains power) and possibly in 'silent' mode (no need
/ point annoying the neighbours for accidental / nuisance trips).

We wouldn't mind spending a couple of extra quid for something tried
and tested and sanctioned by the panel. ;-)


I've had one of these:

http://www.samsung.com/uk/smartthings/kit-f-str-kit-uk/

working for a few months. Seems reliable so far, although I switched off
the push texts as I don't arm the system as such. When I'm interested, I
check via an app on my smartphone.


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Cheers, Rob

On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 15:02:44 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , T i m
scribeth thus
I was just wondering if anyone here had any personal experience of /
with any of the various GSM / Autodialer type alarms, the likes of
eBay is cluttered with these days please?

The usage would be some general indication (via text / auto voice
message) of activity into (door switch x 2) or within (IR) a remote
building (that has mains power) and possibly in 'silent' mode (no need
/ point annoying the neighbours for accidental / nuisance trips).

We wouldn't mind spending a couple of extra quid for something tried
and tested and sanctioned by the panel. ;-)



Cooper security do a GSM model alarm panel IIRC.

Or use a GSM phone adapter from TLC here;

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_In...essories_Index
/Orchid_Telecom_GSM/index.html

Then you can plug most any autodialler into that...

Thanks for that Tony. Have you used anything like those OOI?

I think the prices of their (Cooper) alarm panels + autodialer makes
it a bit more expensive than we were initially considering and I was
thinking of having an all_in-one solution. However (and thinking back
to HiFi / TV recording / decoding solutions), it might be 'better' to
have the alarm and dialler separate as 1) you my get more choice and
2) you don't have all your eggs in one basket?

The sort of thing I have since found and looks like it might meet our
needs is this:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/yale-wirel...larm-kit/8612g

... but then one of the reviews suggests it is fussy about the SIM
used ... ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 05:41:15 +0000, RJH wrote:

On 12/03/2017 14:43, T i m wrote:
I was just wondering if anyone here had any personal experience of /
with any of the various GSM / Autodialer type alarms, the likes of
eBay is cluttered with these days please?

The usage would be some general indication (via text / auto voice
message) of activity into (door switch x 2) or within (IR) a remote
building (that has mains power) and possibly in 'silent' mode (no need
/ point annoying the neighbours for accidental / nuisance trips).

We wouldn't mind spending a couple of extra quid for something tried
and tested and sanctioned by the panel. ;-)


I've had one of these:

http://www.samsung.com/uk/smartthings/kit-f-str-kit-uk/

working for a few months. Seems reliable so far, although I switched off
the push texts as I don't arm the system as such. When I'm interested, I
check via an app on my smartphone.


That's an interesting alternative to what I was first considering Rob.
;-)

Does it have an alarm panel type function with a keypad or wireless
fob to give you some sort of entry / exit delay to any 'protected'
areas?

As an aside ... I was wondering if the Samsung 'Smarthings' kit would
interconnect with my Dometicz logger project?

Cheers, T i m

On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 2:43:13 PM UTC, T i m wrote:
I was just wondering if anyone here had any personal experience of /
with any of the various GSM / Autodialer type alarms, the likes of
eBay is cluttered with these days please?

The usage would be some general indication (via text / auto voice
message) of activity into (door switch x 2) or within (IR) a remote
building (that has mains power) and possibly in 'silent' mode (no need
/ point annoying the neighbours for accidental / nuisance trips).

We wouldn't mind spending a couple of extra quid for something tried
and tested and sanctioned by the panel. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Have an ebay cheapy GSM alarm, currently on a GiffGaff sim, it`s fine, has an SMA connector and external GSM attenna, save mounting whole box in odd position.

Use it with the supplied wireless PIRs and a door switch, has couple of switched zones on if wanted to use it just as a dialler, also has a Open Collector switeched output if ever get round to using it for triggering additional floods via GSM.

has battery backup that seems to last about an hour and half but does text on mains power fail.

It was a lot cheaper than dedicated diallers or GSM modules from more Western retailers .

Think about where an alarm fits into your security priorities, floodlights are convenient for you and scroats , they ain`t a deterrent.

CCTV is other half of having an alert on your phone, believe me when the thing bleeps when your 100 miles away you want to know immediately what is happening, not when neighbour picks up phone.

Physical security is first line,big f**k off padlocks, padbars, reinforced hinges are things that make scroat with his lidl 18" boltcutters move on

On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 05:11:26 -0700 (PDT), Adam Aglionby
wrote:

On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 2:43:13 PM UTC, T i m wrote:
I was just wondering if anyone here had any personal experience of /
with any of the various GSM / Autodialer type alarms, the likes of
eBay is cluttered with these days please?

The usage would be some general indication (via text / auto voice
message) of activity into (door switch x 2) or within (IR) a remote
building (that has mains power) and possibly in 'silent' mode (no need
/ point annoying the neighbours for accidental / nuisance trips).

We wouldn't mind spending a couple of extra quid for something tried
and tested and sanctioned by the panel. ;-)


Have an ebay cheapy GSM alarm, currently on a GiffGaff sim, it`s fine, has an SMA connector and external GSM attenna, save mounting whole box in odd position.

Understood.

Use it with the supplied wireless PIRs and a door switch,

Ok.

has couple of switched zones on if wanted to use it just as a dialler,

Ok (I did wonder if it could be used as a 'silent alarm'.

also has a Open Collector switeched output if ever get round to using it for triggering additional floods via GSM.

Ok. ;-)

has battery backup that seems to last about an hour and half but does text on mains power fail.

Ok.

It was a lot cheaper than dedicated diallers or GSM modules from more Western retailers .

Yes, the 'pucker' ones do seem to be quite expensive and I wasn't sure
if we would get what we were paying for and / or / if a quality unit
would be that much better in actual use (given what you say at the end
etc).

Think about where an alarm fits into your security priorities, floodlights are convenient for you and scroats , they ain`t a deterrent.

Noted.

CCTV is other half of having an alert on your phone, believe me when the thing bleeps when your 100 miles away you want to know immediately what is happening, not when neighbour picks up phone.

;-)

Some of these GSM alarms suggest they have either audio (you can hear
the scroats), two way audio (you can talk to the scroats) and / or
CCTV.

I think is there could be some technology crossover here with say the
use of a CCTV unit with remote (GSM) access and either movement and/or
external hard triggers (door switches etc) versus an alarm with CCTV
or even one of these GSM doorbells wired to door switches rather than
the pushbutton?


Physical security is first line,big f**k off padlocks, padbars,

Plan already in action Adam. Either, home made (or bought / approved,
if it helps any insurance etc) ground / wall anchors and h/d wire /
chain / locks.

reinforced hinges are things that make scroat with his lidl 18" boltcutters move on

;-)

Yup, you can only go so far with any of this eh.

Cheers, T i m

On 13/03/2017 11:04, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 05:41:15 +0000, RJH wrote:

On 12/03/2017 14:43, T i m wrote:
I was just wondering if anyone here had any personal experience of /
with any of the various GSM / Autodialer type alarms, the likes of
eBay is cluttered with these days please?

The usage would be some general indication (via text / auto voice
message) of activity into (door switch x 2) or within (IR) a remote
building (that has mains power) and possibly in 'silent' mode (no need
/ point annoying the neighbours for accidental / nuisance trips).

We wouldn't mind spending a couple of extra quid for something tried
and tested and sanctioned by the panel. ;-)


I've had one of these:

http://www.samsung.com/uk/smartthings/kit-f-str-kit-uk/

working for a few months. Seems reliable so far, although I switched off
the push texts as I don't arm the system as such. When I'm interested, I
check via an app on my smartphone.


That's an interesting alternative to what I was first considering Rob.
;-)

Does it have an alarm panel type function with a keypad or wireless
fob to give you some sort of entry / exit delay to any 'protected'
areas?

There is a proximity fob thing that I haven't activated yet. IIRC it
does 'things' - controls the heating, activates/deactivates alarms,
switches lights on/off and so on. But I'm so half-soaked I'd lose track
of what was going on.

No physical panel. I use a smartphone - and it connects very quickly
from anywhere, couple of seconds. There may be a web interface:

http://www.smarttiles.click


As an aside ... I was wondering if the Samsung 'Smarthings' kit would
interconnect with my Dometicz logger project?


There is a lot of forum activity around it all, as people connect and
customise. Which does surprise me, given Samsung's reputation for
locking things down, and the recent snooping scandal. I'd have thought
they'd be more Pi-inclined.

It's all a hoot - the sensors do temperature for example, and are small
enough to slot inside a door, say, so they're invisible and easy to fit.
I bought the Samsung kit and an Amazon Echo for £160 on some promotion
or other on Amazon. Altogether, though, for me at least, of little utility.

--
Cheers, Rob

In article , T i m
scribeth thus
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 15:02:44 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , T i m
scribeth thus
I was just wondering if anyone here had any personal experience of /
with any of the various GSM / Autodialer type alarms, the likes of
eBay is cluttered with these days please?

The usage would be some general indication (via text / auto voice
message) of activity into (door switch x 2) or within (IR) a remote
building (that has mains power) and possibly in 'silent' mode (no need
/ point annoying the neighbours for accidental / nuisance trips).

We wouldn't mind spending a couple of extra quid for something tried
and tested and sanctioned by the panel. ;-)



Cooper security do a GSM model alarm panel IIRC.

Or use a GSM phone adapter from TLC here;

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_In...essories_Index
/Orchid_Telecom_GSM/index.html

Then you can plug most any autodialler into that...

Thanks for that Tony. Have you used anything like those OOI?

Yes in several remote monitoring applications..

I think the prices of their (Cooper) alarm panels + autodialer makes
it a bit more expensive than we were initially considering and I was
thinking of having an all_in-one solution. However (and thinking back
to HiFi / TV recording / decoding solutions), it might be 'better' to
have the alarm and dialler separate as 1) you my get more choice and
2) you don't have all your eggs in one basket?

Yes there not cheap but they do work and keep working

The sort of thing I have since found and looks like it might meet our
needs is this:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/yale-wirel...larm-kit/8612g

... but then one of the reviews suggests it is fussy about the SIM
used ... ;-(

Cheers, T i m

--
Tony Sayer

On 13/03/2017 11:00, T i m wrote:

... but then one of the reviews suggests it is fussy about the SIM
used ... ;-(


I have a Advant GSM auto dialler card in my alarm box and the
manufacturer gives this advice.

They also state that a PIN on the SIM card mustn't be used.

It may be beneficial to use a PAYG SIM where the credit doesn't run out,
say, after 30 days. I use a PAYG Giffgaff SIM with £10 credit in the
basic PAYG mode in my card which is programmed to send a periodic text
message to keep the card alive (the SIM must be used at least once every
3?? months).


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On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:46:06 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

On 13/03/2017 11:00, T i m wrote:

... but then one of the reviews suggests it is fussy about the SIM
used ... ;-(


I have a Advant GSM auto dialler card in my alarm box and the
manufacturer gives this advice.

Quote:

Insert a SIM from any GSM network into the SIM card holder. Please note the ‘3’ network is not a GSM network (they offer only UMTS) – avoid 3 Mobile as only a roaming connection will be available. Please note even though networks such as O2/Orange/Vodafone offer 3G and 4G SIM cards they also have 2G voice/SMS infrastructure and so all of their SIMs are perfectly valid.

Thanks for that. So there does seem to be some SIM / service
compatibility issues you need to keep an eye on.

They also state that a PIN on the SIM card mustn't be used.

A lock you mean ... that would make sense.

It may be beneficial to use a PAYG SIM where the credit doesn't run out,
say, after 30 days.

That was my plan.

I use a PAYG Giffgaff SIM with £10 credit in the
basic PAYG mode in my card which is programmed to send a periodic text
message to keep the card alive (the SIM must be used at least once every
3?? months).

I have a GiffGaff PAYG SIM on my spare phone and the Mrs has such
reminders in her diary. I think many of the PAYG SIMS require you to
make a chargeable call within 6 months.

Cheers, T i m

On Monday, March 13, 2017 at 6:36:53 PM UTC, T i m wrote:
..SNIP

has couple of switched zones on if wanted to use it just as a dialler,

Ok (I did wonder if it could be used as a 'silent alarm'.

One piece of advice last Scene of Crime Officer had, was round picking up padlock parts , can match the chomp to specific cutters, was that scroats dislike noise, triggering an alarm will make them retreat for a while .

Beware of the deliberate multi trigger, until you put it down as fault and disable for the night....

Or in case of bike dealers here , break in mince alarm panel and hide, wait for cops to come and go and and building to be secured, then break out and load out 30 grands worth of trials bikes.

Condisdering fitting couple of these in new premises, internally, triggered remotely in unfortunate event of confirmed scroat activity, literally painful in an enclosed environment

http://www.cctvcentral.co.uk/klaxon-...001-1354-p.asp



also has a Open Collector switeched output if ever get round to using it for

It was a lot cheaper than dedicated diallers or GSM modules from more Western retailers .

Yes, the 'pucker' ones do seem to be quite expensive and I wasn't sure
if we would get what we were paying for and / or / if a quality unit
would be that much better in actual use (given what you say at the end
etc).

The GSM module is quite literally that a small shielded module on the PCB, mebbe not had the QA shakedown of a big name, been reliable for last few years here.




Some of these GSM alarms suggest they have either audio (you can hear
the scroats), two way audio (you can talk to the scroats) and / or
CCTV.

Scroat life is unammusing enough to watch in silent CCTV without the audio...

I think is there could be some technology crossover here with say the
use of a CCTV unit with remote (GSM) access and either movement and/or
external hard triggers (door switches etc) versus an alarm with CCTV
or even one of these GSM doorbells wired to door switches rather than
the pushbutton?

Android phones but its the hardware interface.


Physical security is first line,big f**k off padlocks, padbars,

Plan already in action Adam. Either, home made (or bought / approved,
if it helps any insurance etc) ground / wall anchors and h/d wire /
chain / locks.

Bars , not chains or wires, big scroat with aforementioned 18" or weed with the stolen Record 4 footers make chain and wire look like cable ties.

Closed shoulder padlocks and andge iron over the hasp on a bar makes it difficult to get in with cutters.



reinforced hinges are things that make scroat with his lidl 18" boltcutters move on

;-)

Yup, you can only go so far with any of this eh.

Round here they broke into the forking car wash, not sire if they thought were going to get rich selling stolen car shampoo, but must have seemed easy to get in.

Pereceived internal value dosent seem to effect desire to break and enter, big locks dinna emake it more attractive don`t think.

In article , Adam
Aglionby wrote:
On Monday, March 13, 2017 at 6:36:53 PM UTC, T i m wrote:
..SNIP

has couple of switched zones on if wanted to use it just as a dialler,

Ok (I did wonder if it could be used as a 'silent alarm'.

One piece of advice last Scene of Crime Officer had, was round picking up
padlock parts , can match the chomp to specific cutters, was that scroats
dislike noise, triggering an alarm will make them retreat for a while .

or, as the SCO here put it: "Burglar Alarms alarm burglars"

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from KT24 in Surrey, England