On Thursday, 19 January 2017 17:28:23 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 19/01/2017 16:16, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:49:25 UTC, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article
,
whisky-dave wrote:
The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in
increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions
after we leave.

What do you mean by we ?

Ah - right. You don't personally contribute to the EU budget. I
forgot.

Why would I be contributing after we leave the EU ? I can understand
now why I have to contribute to the EU as we are part of it.

contracts, like ending your mobile contract early, you still have to
pay, sometimes as a lump sum.

Some with mobile phone contracts tend to be ripped off is that what you mean.
They pay a regulary payment each month and are told they get free texts free phone free miniutes in fact everything is free.
Some have to pay this for 2 years while others don't
Maybe read teh T&Cs of a contract before signing it.
What was in teh EEC contract now the EC ?
Was it yuo have to pay a fee if you leave before the sun enters it red giant phase ?
if that;s teh cae then we'll have to keep paying, but I wouldn't sign a contract like that unless I was making money from it.




Wouldn;t suprie me though if the EU still isnisted we pay for things
the EU won't be supplying.


if its a contract then you pay or suffer the consequences.

Yep, which is why yuo read T&Cs before signing.

On Thursday, 19 January 2017 17:43:38 UTC, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 19/01/17 12:41, charles wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 19 January 2017 11:18:05 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,

The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in
increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after
we leave.

What do you mean by we ?

Apple have biut prices up on teh app store by 25% for the UK but as I
havent; brought an app surely it will only cost those buying rather
than the whole country. You'll notice that they say it;s due to BREXIT
but this doesn't explain why they put the cost up by 33% in india and
30% in Turkey is this all because of BREXIT too ?

You've missed a step. The rise in Apple's prices is becasue of the fall
in the value of sterling. This appears to be because of Brexit. For
India & Turkey, the rise is due to the fall in their currencies against
the dollar. No Brexit connection.

You might not by Apple's products, but you will probably buy other
goods made or grown abroad. These are also creeping (or jumping) up in
price.

Could you explain this because I can't but that's what we're told.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...llowing-brexit

So every price rise from now until teh end of time will be due to
BREXIT I guess the house price riss over the last decade are due to
BREXIT too.

Since nearly all the bricks used in UK housebuilding come from The
Netherlands that might be true.

Do you really think so0?

yes, just look at the shrink wrapped packs of bricks on building sites.


any idea where they get the raw marerials to make the bricks ?
They don't grow on trees.

On Thursday, 19 January 2017 21:09:39 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 19/01/2017 18:03, Tim Streater wrote:

So what contract would that be then?


Anything we have agreed to with anyone else.

Liekm marriage when the promise of love honour and obey, well in this country that no longer gives you the right to rape your wife.


If we choose to renege on our commitments then it will seriously affect
any future agreements with anyone else including the EU.

Unless such a thing can be legally challenged of course.


Just like a bankruptcy would with you.

yuo don;t have to have sex with a anyone because you are bankrupt.


Brexiteers that think there is a clean exit must be in lala land.

la la land is quite the in thing at the moment.

On Thursday, 19 January 2017 22:55:30 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/01/17 17:42, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 19/01/17 12:41, charles wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 19 January 2017 11:18:05 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,

The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in
increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after
we leave.

What do you mean by we ?

Apple have biut prices up on teh app store by 25% for the UK but as I
havent; brought an app surely it will only cost those buying rather
than the whole country. You'll notice that they say it;s due to BREXIT
but this doesn't explain why they put the cost up by 33% in india and
30% in Turkey is this all because of BREXIT too ?

You've missed a step. The rise in Apple's prices is becasue of the fall
in the value of sterling. This appears to be because of Brexit. For
India & Turkey, the rise is due to the fall in their currencies against
the dollar. No Brexit connection.

You might not by Apple's products, but you will probably buy other
goods made or grown abroad. These are also creeping (or jumping) up in
price.

Could you explain this because I can't but that's what we're told.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...llowing-brexit

So every price rise from now until teh end of time will be due to
BREXIT I guess the house price riss over the last decade are due to
BREXIT too.

Since nearly all the bricks used in UK housebuilding come from The
Netherlands that might be true.

Do you really think so0?

yes, just look at the shrink wrapped packs of bricks on building sites.

London brick company.

Yep and the Staffordshire blue brick is obviously imported from denmark , I'm betting the romans immported all their bricks from denmark too.

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 19 January 2017 17:43:38 UTC, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 19/01/17 12:41, charles wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 19 January 2017 11:18:05 UTC, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article ,

The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in
increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions
after we leave.

What do you mean by we ?

Apple have biut prices up on teh app store by 25% for the UK but
as I havent; brought an app surely it will only cost those buying
rather than the whole country. You'll notice that they say it;s
due to BREXIT but this doesn't explain why they put the cost up by
33% in india and 30% in Turkey is this all because of BREXIT too ?

You've missed a step. The rise in Apple's prices is becasue of the
fall in the value of sterling. This appears to be because of
Brexit. For India & Turkey, the rise is due to the fall in their
currencies against the dollar. No Brexit connection.

You might not by Apple's products, but you will probably buy other
goods made or grown abroad. These are also creeping (or jumping) up
in price.

Could you explain this because I can't but that's what we're told.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...llowing-brexit

So every price rise from now until teh end of time will be due to
BREXIT I guess the house price riss over the last decade are due
to BREXIT too.

Since nearly all the bricks used in UK housebuilding come from The
Netherlands that might be true.

Do you really think so0?

yes, just look at the shrink wrapped packs of bricks on building sites.


any idea where they get the raw marerials to make the bricks ? They don't
grow on trees.

Yes, I do know - clay pits.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Thursday, 19 January 2017 23:53:48 UTC, dennis@home wrote:


If we had remained they would have regretted losing, now they will
regret winning the same as the rest of us.

Just like in any war are there losers and winners ?

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 19 January 2017 22:55:30 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/01/17 17:42, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 19/01/17 12:41, charles wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 19 January 2017 11:18:05 UTC, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article ,

The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in
increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions
after we leave.

What do you mean by we ?

Apple have biut prices up on teh app store by 25% for the UK but
as I havent; brought an app surely it will only cost those buying
rather than the whole country. You'll notice that they say it;s
due to BREXIT but this doesn't explain why they put the cost up by
33% in india and 30% in Turkey is this all because of BREXIT too ?

You've missed a step. The rise in Apple's prices is becasue of the
fall in the value of sterling. This appears to be because of
Brexit. For India & Turkey, the rise is due to the fall in their
currencies against the dollar. No Brexit connection.

You might not by Apple's products, but you will probably buy other
goods made or grown abroad. These are also creeping (or jumping) up
in price.

Could you explain this because I can't but that's what we're told.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...llowing-brexit

So every price rise from now until teh end of time will be due to
BREXIT I guess the house price riss over the last decade are due
to BREXIT too.

Since nearly all the bricks used in UK housebuilding come from The
Netherlands that might be true.

Do you really think so0?

yes, just look at the shrink wrapped packs of bricks on building
sites.

London brick company.

Yep and the Staffordshire blue brick is obviously imported from denmark ,
I'm betting the romans immported all their bricks from denmark too.

I'm pretty sure that Stafford shire Blue bricks are engineering ones,
desighned for foundations and other rathe wet places. not generally used
for external walls on houses. I didn't say "all bricks", I said "nearly
all". and, BTW, waht has Denmark got to do with it - or the Romans?

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Friday, 20 January 2017 02:35:50 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 19 January 2017 16:09:36 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
what I don't understand about all these "horror" stories about how this
18%
fall in the pound is affecting prices

is why we didn't see the same stories in the press in 2008 when the
pound
crashed a horrendous 40% (1.45-1.02)

yes 40% - more than twice the fall this time

yet not a squeak there was

Really? I don't know what meja you use,but any change in the value of the
pound was and is covered extensively. Even more so back then with banks
all around the world crashing.

I thought that sort of thing only happened with BREXIT.
Maybe it;s an illustion then and not cause by BREXIT but merchant
investors lokoing to make a killiong because tey want to buy up
the UK cheaply so are devaluoing the pound from afar.

Not possible for them to do that.

already been done.
Scare tatics oh look X or Y will be worthless when the UK leaves the EU

On Friday, 20 January 2017 09:07:08 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
You know it would be great if countries and the eu had to account for every
bit of the budget collected and spent in detail so we could allsee where the
waste occurred . In todays electronic society, it surly cannot be that hard
to do. revenue streams in, admin costs and project spending streams and how
much was used.
Brian

but that would take about 2 million admin personel and cost more than any saving that could be made.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
news:34474849-e190-47ec-98f5-

Yep and the Staffordshire blue brick is obviously imported from denmark ,
I'm betting the romans immported all their bricks from denmark too.

Nah, just butter and bacon.

in 1558629 20170119 135557 Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:10:50 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased
import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave.

Conveniently ignoring the benefit to exporters, of course. Devaluation
is generally good for a country; why else did Harold Wilson devalue
the pound by 14% in 1967, and why else is the FTSE at record highs
ATM, why else is unemployment at its lowest value for 11 years. But
you always do do your best to present a miserable view, don't you.

Why was Wilson ridiculed for saying "it won't affect the pound in your pocket"?

in 1558639 20170119 142008 charles wrote:
In article ,
Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:10:50 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in increased
import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after we leave.

Conveniently ignoring the benefit to exporters, of course. Devaluation
is generally good for a country; why else did Harold Wilson devalue
the pound by 14% in 1967, and why else is the FTSE at record highs
ATM, why else is unemployment at its lowest value for 11 years. But
you always do do your best to present a miserable view, don't you.

when a country has a negative balance of payments - devaluation is NOT a
good thing. Balance of payments tends to get worse. If we are douing so
well why is the pound only half its international value since Harold
Wilson's day. According to those who know the stoc=k markets the FTSE has
risen because many of the big companies receive most of their profits from
abroad.

When I was at school there were 4 dollars to the pound (5/- was called a dollar).
Through the 60s it was $2.80 and dropped to $2.40 in 1970.

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
if its a contract then you pay or suffer the consequences.

Yep, which is why yuo read T&Cs before signing.

I wonder just how many do read them carefully before signing up? In
general, they are written to make this as difficult as possible.

--
*Whatever kind of look you were going for, you missed.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 19 January 2017 23:53:48 UTC, dennis@home wrote:


If we had remained they would have regretted losing, now they will
regret winning the same as the rest of us.

Just like in any war are there losers and winners ?

That is the whole problem. It was treated as a war, and as you surely know
there are no absolute winners in that.

As in the UK may have 'won' WW2, but suffered the consequences for many a
year afterwards.

If this referendum is not considered a war, the final outcome may be more
acceptable to all.

--
*Save a tree, eat a beaver*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Bob Martin wrote:
in 1558629 20170119 135557 Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:10:50 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

The fall in the value of the pound has already cost us more in
increased import costs than any net saving in EU contributions after
we leave.

Conveniently ignoring the benefit to exporters, of course. Devaluation
is generally good for a country; why else did Harold Wilson devalue the
pound by 14% in 1967, and why else is the FTSE at record highs ATM, why
else is unemployment at its lowest value for 11 years. But you always
do do your best to present a miserable view, don't you.

Why was Wilson ridiculed for saying "it won't affect the pound in your
pocket"?

True. Some have very short memories, though, when attempting to make a
point.

--
*My wife has a slight impediment in her speech. She stops to breathe.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 20/01/2017 11:05, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Handsome Jack wrote:
Rod Speed posted
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
But this government is committed to reduce taxation - for the rich.

More remoaner lies. It has in fact reduced taxation for the lowest
income taxpayers too with the increase in the income tax free
threshold.

Also, taxes have increased very significantly for the rich, through the
medium of new capital taxes such as ATED and the second-home stamp duty
surcharge, CGT on foreign properties, and the elimination of various tax
reliefs on property letting. They are about to increase even more
sharply for non-doms in April.

I'd guess you've not kept up with the fact that the spread of incomes has
increased dramatically over the past few decades. In other words, the
differential between the richest and poorest has increased.

But of course it's the poor's fault for being poor.


More like the previous government.

Of course it will have a big jump now as the rich tend to have overseas
investments that are now worth a lot more pounds than they were.

The poor are stuck with TSB or nothing.

On 20/01/2017 11:40, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 19 January 2017 23:53:48 UTC, dennis@home wrote:


If we had remained they would have regretted losing, now they will
regret winning the same as the rest of us.

Just like in any war are there losers and winners ?


There are only losers.
Especially in war.

On Friday, 20 January 2017 14:06:52 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
if its a contract then you pay or suffer the consequences.

Yep, which is why yuo read T&Cs before signing.

I wonder just how many do read them carefully before signing up? In
general, they are written to make this as difficult as possible.

Similar to iTunes and the southpark episode, but I'm not sure you can put in anything in Y&Cs in the hope no one notices until the contracts broken.

Be intresting to see if anything strange comes up.



--
*Whatever kind of look you were going for, you missed.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Friday, 20 January 2017 14:06:52 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 19 January 2017 23:53:48 UTC, dennis@home wrote:


If we had remained they would have regretted losing, now they will
regret winning the same as the rest of us.

Just like in any war are there losers and winners ?

That is the whole problem. It was treated as a war, and as you surely know
there are no absolute winners in that.

When 'we won' WWII what was the result ?


As in the UK may have 'won' WW2, but suffered the consequences for many a
year afterwards.

countries invested in Germany and we had massive debts which we had to pay off to america including giving them the jet engine. We didn't finish paying it off until 2006. The EEC and EU should have helped payoff the loan.


If this referendum is not considered a war, the final outcome may be more
acceptable to all.

Well football matches have sides but they aren't all wars.

I notice that BT sports are going to charge £3.50 a month for games
bloody BREXIT ;-)

On 20/01/2017 15:05, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 20 January 2017 14:06:52 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 19 January 2017 23:53:48 UTC, dennis@home wrote:


If we had remained they would have regretted losing, now they will
regret winning the same as the rest of us.

Just like in any war are there losers and winners ?

That is the whole problem. It was treated as a war, and as you surely know
there are no absolute winners in that.

When 'we won' WWII what was the result ?

We were bankrupt and only paid of the debt a few years ago.
It also made the losers more prosperous than us.

pamela wrote

I love the way Rod misread posts and then makes
strange comments at a tangent to what was said. :-)

You never could bull**** and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Handsome Jack wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

But this government is committed to reduce taxation - for the rich.

More remoaner lies. It has in fact reduced taxation for the lowest
income taxpayers too with the increase in the income tax free threshold.

Also, taxes have increased very significantly for the rich, through
the medium of new capital taxes such as ATED and the second-home
stamp duty surcharge, CGT on foreign properties, and the elimination
of various tax reliefs on property letting. They are about to increase
even more sharply for non-doms in April.

I'd guess you've not kept up with the fact that the spread of
incomes has increased dramatically over the past few decades.

Irrelevant to THIS GOVERNMENT and your lie about the taxation of the rich.

In other words, the differential between the richest and poorest has
increased.

Irrelevant to THIS GOVERNMENT and your lie about the taxation of the rich.

But of course it's the poor's fault for being poor.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Friday, 20 January 2017 02:35:50 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 19 January 2017 16:09:36 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
what I don't understand about all these "horror" stories about how
this
18%
fall in the pound is affecting prices

is why we didn't see the same stories in the press in 2008 when the
pound
crashed a horrendous 40% (1.45-1.02)

yes 40% - more than twice the fall this time

yet not a squeak there was

Really? I don't know what meja you use,but any change in the value of
the
pound was and is covered extensively. Even more so back then with
banks
all around the world crashing.

I thought that sort of thing only happened with BREXIT.
Maybe it;s an illustion then and not cause by BREXIT but merchant
investors lokoing to make a killiong because tey want to buy up
the UK cheaply so are devaluoing the pound from afar.

Not possible for them to do that.

already been done.

Nope, what has already happened wasnt done by MERCHANT
INVESTORS wanting to buy up the UK cheaply.

Scare tatics oh look X or Y will be worthless when the UK leaves the EU

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
whisky-dave wrote

if its a contract then you pay or suffer the consequences.

Yep, which is why yuo read T&Cs before signing.

I wonder just how many do read them carefully before signing up?

I do on the important stuff like what you
pay if you cancel part way thru the contract.

In general, they are written to make this as difficult as possible.

Bull****.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 19 January 2017 23:53:48 UTC, dennis@home wrote:


If we had remained they would have regretted losing, now they will
regret winning the same as the rest of us.

Just like in any war are there losers and winners ?

That is the whole problem. It was treated as a war, and as you surely know
there are no absolute winners in that.

There are no absolute winners in any major
policy choice like leaving the EU or staying in it.

As in the UK may have 'won' WW2, but suffered
the consequences for many a year afterwards.

And the US benefitted quite dramatically.

If this referendum is not considered a war, the
final outcome may be more acceptable to all.

Not a chance, there would always be major upsides
and downsides with both staying and leaving and it
isnt even that predictable what they are going to be.

Just as true of being in the eurozone or schengen or out of either.

dennis@home wrote
whisky-dave wrote
dennis@home wrote

If we had remained they would have regretted losing,
now they will regret winning the same as the rest of us.

Just like in any war are there losers and winners ?

There are only losers.
Especially in war.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

The US was a winner in WW2.

Britain was a winner in plenty of the colonial wars.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com...
On 20/01/2017 15:05, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 20 January 2017 14:06:52 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 19 January 2017 23:53:48 UTC, dennis@home wrote:


If we had remained they would have regretted losing, now they will
regret winning the same as the rest of us.

Just like in any war are there losers and winners ?

That is the whole problem. It was treated as a war, and as you surely
know
there are no absolute winners in that.

When 'we won' WWII what was the result ?

We were bankrupt

Nope, just had big debts.

and only paid of the debt a few years ago.

The napoleonic war debt still hasnt been paid off.

It also made the losers more prosperous than us.

Didnt with plenty of the losers.

Certainly didnt make the US less prosperous than the losers either.

in 1559109 20170120 232057 "Rod Speed" wrote:
dennis@home wrote
whisky-dave wrote
dennis@home wrote

If we had remained they would have regretted losing,
now they will regret winning the same as the rest of us.

Just like in any war are there losers and winners ?

There are only losers.
Especially in war.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

The US was a winner in WW2.

Tell that to the relatives of the 400,000 dead.
You're a ****, Rod.


Britain was a winner in plenty of the colonial wars.

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...
in 1559109 20170120 232057 "Rod Speed" wrote:
dennis@home wrote
whisky-dave wrote
dennis@home wrote

If we had remained they would have regretted losing,
now they will regret winning the same as the rest of us.

Just like in any war are there losers and winners ?

There are only losers.
Especially in war.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

The US was a winner in WW2.

Tell that to the relatives of the 400,000 dead.

They would die sometime, ****wit.

Britain was a winner in plenty of the colonial wars.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
b.com...
On 19/01/2017 20:44, Tim Streater wrote:
In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:

On 19/01/2017 19:42, tim... wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
tim... wrote:
what I don't understand about all these "horror" stories about how
this 18% fall in the pound is affecting prices

is why we didn't see the same stories in the press in 2008 when the
pound crashed a horrendous 40% (1.45-1.02)

yes 40% - more than twice the fall this time

yet not a squeak there was

Really? I don't know what meja you use,but any change in the value
of the
pound was and is covered extensively. Even more so back then with
banks
all around the world crashing.

Oh I'm sure that the fall in value was reported

what wasn't reported was the constant "everything going up because of
it"

In those days we probably didn't import as much so the price rise
would have been less for most people.

What, back in 2008 you mean?


Opps, not Harold Wilson then.

The drop in 2008 didn't last long enough to have much effect did it?

only until the end of 2014

tim

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"tim..." wrote in message
news


"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
Chris Hogg wrote:

I heard minigod Nige say that the dues we'd receive on EU imports to
the UK would be greater than the dues we'd pay on our exports to the
EU. Whether the Delors analysis takes that into account, I didn't go
looking.

It does mention that if we end up with WTO trade, the dues the EU would
receive from UK trade could halve their "brexit gap" but would
eventually see individual EU states income drop - whether they'll allow
that to influence their decision to allow us better than WTO trade,
we'll have to see.

The point is that countries look at WTO tariffs as if they are
inter-country governmental payments

when they are not

they are payments by consumers (who buy the end products with the tariffs
added)

So instead of HMG (from UK taxes) giving the EU countries 20 Billion (or
whatever the figures is), EU consumers will give their own governments an
extra 20 Billion in tariff payments (aka local taxes)

Or not in the case of stuff imported into the EU which
has a tariff applied currently which doesn’t have to
have a tariff applied when Britain is outside the EU.

you seem to be thinking of goods imported into the UK

the discussion is about goods imported into the EU (that bit that is the
same without the UK)

tim... wrote
Rod Speed wrote
tim... wrote
Andy Burns wrote
Chris Hogg wrote

I heard minigod Nige say that the dues we'd receive on EU imports to
the UK would be greater than the dues we'd pay on our exports to the
EU. Whether the Delors analysis takes that into account, I didn't go
looking.

It does mention that if we end up with WTO trade, the dues the EU would
receive from UK trade could halve their "brexit gap" but would
eventually see individual EU states income drop - whether they'll allow
that to influence their decision to allow us better than WTO trade,
we'll have to see.

The point is that countries look at WTO tariffs as if they are
inter-country governmental payments

when they are not

they are payments by consumers (who buy the end products with the
tariffs added)

So instead of HMG (from UK taxes) giving the EU countries 20 Billion (or
whatever the figures is), EU consumers will give their own governments
an extra 20 Billion in tariff payments (aka local taxes)

Or not in the case of stuff imported into the EU which
has a tariff applied currently which doesn’t have to
have a tariff applied when Britain is outside the EU.

you seem to be thinking of goods imported into the UK

That’s what was being discussed.

the discussion is about goods imported into the EU

Nope. Clearly what was being discussed was WTO tariffs.
There are none involved with goods imported into the EU.

(that bit that is the same without the UK)

Irrelevant to what is being discussed.

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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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Do **** off Wod.

Why don't you just killfile him - like the folk on here who
have brains (and use them).

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Terry

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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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Do **** off Wod.

Why don't you just killfile him - like the folk on here who
have brains (and use them).

Wodney bating is fun

tim

In article ,
Andy Burns writes:
A report from the Jacques Delors Institute into what Brexit might mean
for the EU's budget ...

http://www.institutdelors.eu/media/brexiteubudget-haasrubio-jdi-jdib-jan17.pdf?pdf=ok

Thanks.
That was a surprisingly interesting read.

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In article ,
Andy Burns writes:
A report from the Jacques Delors Institute into what Brexit might mean
for the EU's budget ...


http://www.institutdelors.eu/media/b...bio-jdi-jdib-j
an17.pdf?pdf=ok

Thanks.
That was a surprisingly interesting read.

So what is a *cohesion* policy?


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In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
Andy Burns writes:
A report from the Jacques Delors Institute into what Brexit might mean
for the EU's budget ...

http://www.institutdelors.eu/media/b...bio-jdi-jdib-j
an17.pdf?pdf=ok

Thanks.
That was a surprisingly interesting read.

So what is a *cohesion* policy?

http://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/en/faq/

In message , Richard
writes
"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
.. .

In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
Andy Burns writes:
A report from the Jacques Delors Institute into what Brexit might mean
for the EU's budget ...

http://www.institutdelors.eu/media/b...bio-jdi-jdib-j
an17.pdf?pdf=ok

Thanks.
That was a surprisingly interesting read.

So what is a *cohesion* policy?

http://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/en/faq/

Ah! Thematic objectives! There's a phrase to gladden TNP's heart:-)

Prolly explains why LaGomera has a gold plated airport and 2 flights per
day:-)



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"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
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In message , Richard
writes
"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
. ..

In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
Andy Burns writes:
A report from the Jacques Delors Institute into what Brexit might mean
for the EU's budget ...

http://www.institutdelors.eu/media/b...bio-jdi-jdib-j
an17.pdf?pdf=ok

Thanks.
That was a surprisingly interesting read.

So what is a *cohesion* policy?

http://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/en/faq/

Ah! Thematic objectives! There's a phrase to gladden TNP's heart:-)

Prolly explains why LaGomera has a gold plated airport and 2 flights per
day:-)

They must love English - so much better for creative crapanese than any of
the other European languages.

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
Andy Burns writes:
A report from the Jacques Delors Institute into what Brexit might mean
for the EU's budget ...

http://www.institutdelors.eu/media/b...bio-jdi-jdib-j
an17.pdf?pdf=ok

Thanks.
That was a surprisingly interesting read.

So what is a *cohesion* policy?

at a guess:

"Ever Closer Union"

tim