Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any snags?

On 12/23/2016 2:40 PM, DerbyBorn wrote:
Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any snags?


I have a couple of Screwfix ones, they seem to be OK

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:40:07 +0000, DerbyBorn wrote:

Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any
snags?

Some of them are too deep to fit in a 25mm back-box. I've found LAP ones
to be especially annoying to fit.

Steve Hall wrote in news3jd3m$k6c$1@dont-
email.me:

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:40:07 +0000, DerbyBorn wrote:

Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any
snags?

Some of them are too deep to fit in a 25mm back-box. I've found LAP ones
to be especially annoying to fit.



Was thinking of this to match other stuff
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/FP9902BCW.html

On 23/12/16 14:41, Steve Hall wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:40:07 +0000, DerbyBorn wrote:

Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any
snags?

Some of them are too deep to fit in a 25mm back-box. I've found LAP ones
to be especially annoying to fit.


Yes. I bought a double 10mm spacer and it looks OK. Unfortunately, the
socket is next to a switched spur box and so I needed a single one for
that just to even them up but they look all right.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:58:33 +0000, Andy Cap wrote:

On 23/12/16 14:41, Steve Hall wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:40:07 +0000, DerbyBorn wrote:

Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any
snags?

Some of them are too deep to fit in a 25mm back-box. I've found LAP
ones to be especially annoying to fit.


Yes. I bought a double 10mm spacer and it looks OK. Unfortunately, the
socket is next to a switched spur box and so I needed a single one for
that just to even them up but they look all right.


I tried selling the spacer idea to The Minister of the Interior, but she
wouldn't have it. She also wouldn't consider having the charger socket
elsewhere, or accepting anything other than a flat plate style. I removed
the old BB, chiselled the hole deeper, replaced the box with a 35mm, and
made good.

Finding a matching silver coloured usb lead was quite easy, though )

In article ,
Steve Hall wrote:
I tried selling the spacer idea to The Minister of the Interior, but she
wouldn't have it. She also wouldn't consider having the charger socket
elsewhere, or accepting anything other than a flat plate style.

And quite right too. ;-)

I removed
the old BB, chiselled the hole deeper, replaced the box with a 35mm, and
made good.

Luckily, I only ever use deep boxes. 25mm may sometimes work - but hardly
ever save any work here so not worth the bother.

Finding a matching silver coloured usb lead was quite easy, though )

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In article 6,
DerbyBorn wrote:
Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any
snags?

I'd go for one the same make as your existing sockets. So it has a chance
of matching.

Apart from depth, they can be a tight fit to the back box. So may limit
the direction the cables enter the back box. Especially if you have
something spurred off the one you're going to replace.

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In article ,
newshound wrote:
On 12/23/2016 2:40 PM, DerbyBorn wrote:
Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any
snags?


I have a couple of Screwfix ones, they seem to be OK

I bought one of those but didn't fit it when I found that that the USB
plug couldn't go in the socket if you also wanted a larger mains plug (eg
with built in power supply) plugged into the mains socket.

Alan

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Alan Dawes wrote in
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In article ,
newshound wrote:
On 12/23/2016 2:40 PM, DerbyBorn wrote:
Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any
snags?


I have a couple of Screwfix ones, they seem to be OK

I bought one of those but didn't fit it when I found that that the USB
plug couldn't go in the socket if you also wanted a larger mains plug (eg
with built in power supply) plugged into the mains socket.

Alan


MK group the USB in the centre at the bottom.

On 23/12/16 15:10, Steve Hall wrote:

I tried selling the spacer idea to The Minister of the Interior, but she
wouldn't have it. She also wouldn't consider having the charger socket
elsewhere, or accepting anything other than a flat plate style. I removed
the old BB, chiselled the hole deeper, replaced the box with a 35mm, and
made good.


You require a cabinet reshuffle. Can't have minor ministers running the
show. ;-)

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:24:08 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article 6,
DerbyBorn wrote:
Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any
snags?

I'd go for one the same make as your existing sockets. So it has a chance
of matching.

Apart from depth, they can be a tight fit to the back box. So may limit
the direction the cables enter the back box. Especially if you have
something spurred off the one you're going to replace.

I did a job in a chemist shop in the Isle of Man once, and it turned
out the owner was the Minister of Health.




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On Friday, 23 December 2016 16:07:58 UTC, Andy Cap wrote:
I tried selling the spacer idea to The Minister of the Interior, but she
wouldn't have it.
You require a cabinet reshuffle.

Put the furniture in front of it so she can't see it?

Owain

On Friday, 23 December 2016 15:43:51 UTC, Alan Dawes wrote:
I bought one of those but didn't fit it when I found that that the USB
plug couldn't go in the socket if you also wanted a larger mains plug (eg
with built in power supply) plugged into the mains socket.

Sit down before you look at the price

https://www.switch-lighting.co.uk/kn...ack-nickel_599

Owain

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:07:56 +0000, Andy Cap wrote:

On 23/12/16 15:10, Steve Hall wrote:

I tried selling the spacer idea to The Minister of the Interior, but
she wouldn't have it. She also wouldn't consider having the charger
socket elsewhere, or accepting anything other than a flat plate style.
I removed the old BB, chiselled the hole deeper, replaced the box with
a 35mm, and made good.


You require a cabinet reshuffle. Can't have minor ministers running the
show. ;-)

It wasn't really that difficult to do. If I were doing it now, I might
decide to hang on until usb-c models become commonplace, or even
available - are they available now?

wrote:

Sit down before you look at the price
https://www.switch-lighting.co.uk/kn...ack-nickel_599

TLC sell that style (not in Nickel though)

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/FP7USB4BC.html

On 23/12/2016 14:40, DerbyBorn wrote:
Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any snags?


I have a couple of MK K5837 modules - these are twin USBs without a
3-pin mains socket.

The advantage is that the USB socket is shuttered, and if nothing is
plugged in, the closed shutter switches off the power-supply circuitry
completely. On "normal" cheapo socket+USB faceplates the switch-mode PSU
/ dropper is running constantly and you never know how good the
insulation and separation is (see Big Clive's YouTube breakdowns).

I don't know if you can get a mains socket + shuttered USB version that
switches off the PSU.

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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:40:07 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:

Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any snags?

Is there an argument that if the technology moves on you are left with
obsolescent equipment, just as a stand-alone satellite navigation
device is easier to keep up to date than the one fitted by the vehicle
manufacturer?

On 23/12/2016 14:40, DerbyBorn wrote:
Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any snags?


FWIW I think they are a horrible gimmick. They will permanently take
power even when you are not charging anything - albeit a small amount.
Eventually the smoothing electrolytics will blow potentially causing a
hazard.

Andy

In article ,
Scott wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:40:07 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:

Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any snags?

Is there an argument that if the technology moves on you are left with
obsolescent equipment, just as a stand-alone satellite navigation
device is easier to keep up to date than the one fitted by the vehicle
manufacturer?

what is the difference? When I had a stand-alone Sat Nav, I used a
dedicated lead to plug into a USB socket on my PC. Now, with a built in
one, I remove the SD card from the car and plug it into a card reader.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On 23/12/16 21:49, Andy Bennet wrote:
On 23/12/2016 14:40, DerbyBorn wrote:
Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any
snags?


FWIW I think they are a horrible gimmick. They will permanently take
power even when you are not charging anything - albeit a small amount.
Eventually the smoothing electrolytics will blow potentially causing a
hazard.


The humming valve radio I fixed 6 years ago had been going since 1955,
on the same electrolytics. They hadn't blown, despite being 250V rated,
they had simply dried out...

Andy

On 23/12/2016 14:40, DerbyBorn wrote:
Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any snags?


What current do they provide?
USB changes every couple of years so are you going to change the socket?
USB bricks are cheaper and you probably already have them.

I use the USB on the tv to charge stuff.

On Friday, 23 December 2016 19:58:38 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The humming valve radio I fixed 6 years ago had been going since 1955,
on the same electrolytics. They hadn't blown, despite being 250V rated,
they had simply dried out...

They probably weren't made in China though.

Owain

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 19:51:55 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

In article ,
Scott wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:40:07 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:

Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any snags?

Is there an argument that if the technology moves on you are left with
obsolescent equipment, just as a stand-alone satellite navigation
device is easier to keep up to date than the one fitted by the vehicle
manufacturer?

what is the difference? When I had a stand-alone Sat Nav, I used a
dedicated lead to plug into a USB socket on my PC. Now, with a built in
one, I remove the SD card from the car and plug it into a card reader.

1. Do they all allow you to do that? Open source or proprietory?
2. Is the cost not exorbitant? I thought Ford charged about £!50.
3. How often are they updated? TomTom used to be about every three
months. I doubt if all vehicle manufacturers offer this.
4. What happens if the hardware improves? I would rather buy a new
satnav than have to buy a new car.

"Scott" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:40:07 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:

Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any snags?

Is there an argument that if the technology moves on you are left with
obsolescent equipment,

Not really, because it is so easy to change it to the better technology.

just as a stand-alone satellite navigation
device is easier to keep up to date than the one fitted by the vehicle
manufacturer?

That is rather different given the much higher cost of the one
fitted by the vehicle manufacturer and the rather better full
integration where the one build in screen in the dash can
be automatically shared with the reversing cameras etc.

"Andy Bennet" wrote in message
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On 23/12/2016 14:40, DerbyBorn wrote:
Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any
snags?


FWIW I think they are a horrible gimmick. They will permanently take power
even when you are not charging anything - albeit a small amount.

I leave my discreet ones plugged in all the time
anyway, because that is the most convenient.

Eventually the smoothing electrolytics will blow

By that time they may well be obsolete anyway.

potentially causing a hazard.

Not if buy a well designed one.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:40:07 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:

Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any snags?

The UK 13-amp socket has been more or less unchanged for at least half
a century. You could use a modern plug in a 1960s socket. There's a
reasonable chance that a modern socket will be usable in several
decades' time.

USB charging is fairly new, and the standards are still changing. What
maximum current is enough; how to negotiate the charging current;
varioud quick-charge standards etc. I suspect that things will have
moved on a long way in ten years time.

On 23/12/16 15:10, Steve Hall wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:58:33 +0000, Andy Cap wrote:

On 23/12/16 14:41, Steve Hall wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:40:07 +0000, DerbyBorn wrote:

Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any
snags?

Some of them are too deep to fit in a 25mm back-box. I've found LAP
ones to be especially annoying to fit.


Yes. I bought a double 10mm spacer and it looks OK. Unfortunately, the
socket is next to a switched spur box and so I needed a single one for
that just to even them up but they look all right.


I tried selling the spacer idea to The Minister of the Interior, but she
wouldn't have it. She also wouldn't consider having the charger socket
elsewhere, or accepting anything other than a flat plate style. I removed
the old BB, chiselled the hole deeper, replaced the box with a 35mm, and
made good.

Finding a matching silver coloured usb lead was quite easy, though )


What was wrong with a plug in charger module?

On 23/12/16 17:27, Steve Hall wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:07:56 +0000, Andy Cap wrote:

On 23/12/16 15:10, Steve Hall wrote:

I tried selling the spacer idea to The Minister of the Interior, but
she wouldn't have it. She also wouldn't consider having the charger
socket elsewhere, or accepting anything other than a flat plate style.
I removed the old BB, chiselled the hole deeper, replaced the box with
a 35mm, and made good.


You require a cabinet reshuffle. Can't have minor ministers running the
show. ;-)

It wasn't really that difficult to do. If I were doing it now, I might
decide to hang on until usb-c models become commonplace, or even
available - are they available now?


There's the problem - USB vX.Y is obsolete before you can cough (every
2-3 years IME for a new higher power version comes out).

So stick to wall warts

On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 08:18:16 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"Andy Bennet" wrote in message
news:xdKdnROgQ_9B4sDFnZ2dnUU78I2dnZ2d@brightview. co.uk...
On 23/12/2016 14:40, DerbyBorn wrote:
Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any
snags?


FWIW I think they are a horrible gimmick. They will permanently take power
even when you are not charging anything - albeit a small amount.

I leave my discreet ones plugged in all the time
anyway, because that is the most convenient.

I believe it is best practice to disconnect electrical items when not
in use.

Eventually the smoothing electrolytics will blow

By that time they may well be obsolete anyway.

So why physically install an appliance that will become obsolete. Use
a portable one instead.

potentially causing a hazard.

Not if buy a well designed one.

People used to think Samsung and Hotpoint were well designed.

In article ,
Scott wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 19:51:55 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

In article ,
Scott wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:40:07 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:

Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any snags?

Is there an argument that if the technology moves on you are left with
obsolescent equipment, just as a stand-alone satellite navigation
device is easier to keep up to date than the one fitted by the vehicle
manufacturer?

what is the difference? When I had a stand-alone Sat Nav, I used a
dedicated lead to plug into a USB socket on my PC. Now, with a built in
one, I remove the SD card from the car and plug it into a card reader.

1. Do they all allow you to do that? Open source or proprietory?

My last car had a built in TomTom, my present one uses Mazda's own
software. You use the manufacture's website.


2. Is the cost not exorbitant? I thought Ford charged about £!50.

for what? I pay an annual sub.

3. How often are they updated? TomTom used to be about every three
months. I doubt if all vehicle manufacturers offer this.

TomTom would email me.


4. What happens if the hardware improves? I would rather buy a new
satnav than have to buy a new car.

Built-in SatNav is much easier and safer to use. The controls are
integrated into the vehicle.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

In article ,
Andy Bennet wrote:
On 23/12/2016 14:40, DerbyBorn wrote:
Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any
snags?


FWIW I think they are a horrible gimmick. They will permanently take
power even when you are not charging anything - albeit a small amount.
Eventually the smoothing electrolytics will blow potentially causing a
hazard.

But most people leave their phone charger plugged in and switched on when
not in use - so not really any different. Except that a decent quality one
built into a steel back box isn't going to be anything like the same
hazard if it should explode or whatever.

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"Caecilius" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:40:07 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:

Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any snags?

The UK 13-amp socket has been more or less unchanged for at least half
a century. You could use a modern plug in a 1960s socket. There's a
reasonable chance that a modern socket will be usable in several
decades' time.

USB charging is fairly new, and the standards are still changing. What
maximum current is enough; how to negotiate the charging current;
varioud quick-charge standards etc. I suspect that things will have
moved on a long way in ten years time.

But no big deal if you have to change it in that time, they arent that
expensive.

Scott wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Andy Bennet wrote
DerbyBorn wrote

Provided I get a decent make - are there
any risks to consider? Any snags?

FWIW I think they are a horrible gimmick. They will permanently take
power even when you are not charging anything - albeit a small amount.

I leave my discreet ones plugged in all the time
anyway, because that is the most convenient.

I believe it is best practice to disconnect
electrical items when not in use.

You're wrong with high efficiency switch mode stuff.

Eventually the smoothing electrolytics will blow

By that time they may well be obsolete anyway.

So why physically install an appliance

It isnt an appliance, its just a wall socket.

that will become obsolete. Use a portable one instead.

Can be more convenient to have one with 4 USB sockets
so you can change multiple devices simultaneously.

potentially causing a hazard.

Not if buy a well designed one.

People used to think Samsung
and Hotpoint were well designed.

And those with even half a clue know that Apple chargers
are and can check teardowns on that to see that they are.

On 24/12/2016 00:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Andy Bennet wrote:
On 23/12/2016 14:40, DerbyBorn wrote:
Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any
snags?


FWIW I think they are a horrible gimmick. They will permanently take
power even when you are not charging anything - albeit a small amount.
Eventually the smoothing electrolytics will blow potentially causing a
hazard.

But most people leave their phone charger plugged in and switched on when
not in use - so not really any different. Except that a decent quality one
built into a steel back box isn't going to be anything like the same
hazard if it should explode or whatever.


Well said.

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En el artículo , Andy Burns
escribió:

TLC sell that style (not in Nickel though)

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/FP7USB4BC.html

They do this single-gang one in nickel/black:

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/SFQUADBN.html

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(")_(")

charles wrote:

Built-in SatNav is much easier and safer to use. The controls are
integrated into the vehicle.


You've obviously never driven a Jaguar XF. ;-)

Tim

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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 22:23:19 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

In article ,
Scott wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 19:51:55 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

In article ,
Scott wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:40:07 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:

Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any snags?

Is there an argument that if the technology moves on you are left with
obsolescent equipment, just as a stand-alone satellite navigation
device is easier to keep up to date than the one fitted by the vehicle
manufacturer?

what is the difference? When I had a stand-alone Sat Nav, I used a
dedicated lead to plug into a USB socket on my PC. Now, with a built in
one, I remove the SD card from the car and plug it into a card reader.

1. Do they all allow you to do that? Open source or proprietory?

My last car had a built in TomTom, my present one uses Mazda's own
software. You use the manufacture's website.

If it can be updated cost-effectively without a trip to the dealership
I may have to eat my words, as well as my Christmas turkey.

2. Is the cost not exorbitant? I thought Ford charged about £!50.

for what? I pay an annual sub.

I thought the Ford was £150 per update.

3. How often are they updated? TomTom used to be about every three
months. I doubt if all vehicle manufacturers offer this.

TomTom would email me.


4. What happens if the hardware improves? I would rather buy a new
satnav than have to buy a new car.

Built-in SatNav is much easier and safer to use. The controls are
integrated into the vehicle.

My concern would be if it is not supported or supportable as I tend to
keep my vehicles for a long time. However, it may be me who is out of
touch.

On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 11:42:44 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Scott wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Andy Bennet wrote
DerbyBorn wrote

Provided I get a decent make - are there
any risks to consider? Any snags?

FWIW I think they are a horrible gimmick. They will permanently take
power even when you are not charging anything - albeit a small amount.

I leave my discreet ones plugged in all the time
anyway, because that is the most convenient.

I believe it is best practice to disconnect
electrical items when not in use.

You're wrong with high efficiency switch mode stuff.

Okay, I was unaware of that.

Eventually the smoothing electrolytics will blow

By that time they may well be obsolete anyway.

So why physically install an appliance

It isnt an appliance, its just a wall socket.

Okay, I wondered about the word as I typed. My dictionary includes
'apparatus' as a meaning, but I accept the usual usage is electrical
goods rather than wiring.

that will become obsolete. Use a portable one instead.

Can be more convenient to have one with 4 USB sockets
so you can change multiple devices simultaneously.

potentially causing a hazard.

Not if buy a well designed one.

People used to think Samsung
and Hotpoint were well designed.

And those with even half a clue know that Apple chargers
are and can check teardowns on that to see that they are.
???

I thought Apple had a recall at one stage.

On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 03:45:34 +0000, ARW
wrote:

On 24/12/2016 00:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Andy Bennet wrote:
On 23/12/2016 14:40, DerbyBorn wrote:
Provided I get a decent make - are there any risks to consider? Any
snags?


FWIW I think they are a horrible gimmick. They will permanently take
power even when you are not charging anything - albeit a small amount.
Eventually the smoothing electrolytics will blow potentially causing a
hazard.

But most people leave their phone charger plugged in and switched on when
not in use - so not really any different. Except that a decent quality one
built into a steel back box isn't going to be anything like the same
hazard if it should explode or whatever.


Well s

Despite my comments I was tempted. However, I thought the charging
module looked better than a combined socket/USB charge.

https://www.mkelectric.com/en-gb/Pro...s/default.aspx