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On 15/11/16 08:21, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , pamela escribió: At this rate, Turnip's views are going to be too extreme even for UKIP. I wonder at what RPM his eyeballs are rotating at the moment. I see Kermit and miss piggy are dating again... -- All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is fully understood. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 14/11/16 16:58, Richard wrote: "Ian Jackson" wrote in message ... In message , The Natural Philosopher writes On 14/11/16 13:26, Ian Jackson wrote: In message , Huge writes On 2016-11-14, Chris Green wrote: 'Socialist' is a word hung on to lots of names of countries and governments which are not in the remotest way socialist. IME, "socialism" is what people are pointing at when they say "this is socialism". I'm a socialist. However, the problem with socialism (and communism) is that most of the socialist and communist governments have rarely practised socialism and communism. Every single socialist I have ever met says the same. 'We just need *more* socialism'. However after granting various 'socialists' even more power the self avowed socialists still say 'we need more socialism'. Throwing good money after bad is, it seems a very socialist thing to do. Since I avow vaguely socialist principles, I have supported anyone that does not call themselves a socialist, on the grounds that people who do, are incapable of delivering it. It's not a case of needing 'more' socialism, but rather realising that things which are called 'socialism' often aren't. OK. Please explain how *you* are a socialist. Me? I support policies that are to the benefit of the people of this country. Less immigration Less taxes on work and profits More taxes on consumption Less government Less regulation Better education Scrap the BBC Scrap minimum wages. Scrap renewable energy. Leave the EU You'll never do as a guest on the ch4 Wright stuff program, which has a full fledged Remoaner agenda! Correction, ch5 |
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On 15/11/16 11:50, Capitol wrote:
Capitol wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: Me? I support policies that are to the benefit of the people of this country. Less immigration Less taxes on work and profits More taxes on consumption Less government Less regulation Better education Scrap the BBC Scrap minimum wages. Scrap renewable energy. Leave the EU You'll never do as a guest on the ch4 Wright stuff program, which has a full fledged Remoaner agenda! Correction, ch5 Joking apart, there is a real dichotomy between the sort of protectionist Luddite type EU/Labour attitude of 'protecting jobs' by erecting trade barriers, which simply leads to export losses in the end, and plant closure, and the sort of more intelligent 'lets educate people who can take it to a very very high level, and teach them to think for themselves, remove government restrictions and let them make what they will of the world' which is what leads to new cutting edge businesses springing up that DO employ people. I.e job protection measures don't protect jobs. Minimum wages lead to unemployment instead. Anyone with half a brain can see this, and yet the Labour Faithful keep rattling on about it. Because like with renewable energy, the name of the game is not actually solving the problem, its virtue signalling and coming up with something cosmetic that has value in convincing people you actually care. Of course if you really cared, you would do something very different. My conclusion is that the Eurosocalists are not interested in solving any social problems. They are perpetually selling themselves on the idea that once in power they WILL solve the problem, but of course they never do. After all, if they did, they wouldn't be needed any more. IN my lifetime only ONE politicians has said 'support me, I will do X, and then I will be out of a job' and that was Nigel Farage. And he did, and he will be. -- "In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is true: it is true because it is powerful." Lucas Bergkamp |
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pamela wrote: IN my lifetime only ONE politicians has said 'support me, I will do X, and then I will be out of a job' and that was Nigel Farage. And he did, and he will be. You're overlooking Dan Hannan, who said the same thing in front of a number of witnesses, including me. Nigel Farage, whom I actually quite like, told Andrew Marr recently that he wished to still lead UKIP but not to get involved in party management. That sounds like he's not giving up a job in politics just yet. I'm sure he would great to have a laugh with over a pint. In addition he's now seeking a job as a political go-between for Trump and May. If he really did want to 'spend more time with his family' he'd not seek every opportunity to keep himself in the public eye. One of his problems is that despite half a dozen attempts at standing for Parliament he can't get elected to anything other than the EU Parliament. Also his dodgy expense claims and tax arrangements leave some questions about probity unanswered. But we've pretty well established that morals mean nothing at all these days to most policians. Indeed, seen as something to laugh at with Corbyn. -- *Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder... Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 15/11/16 16:11, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , pamela wrote: On 12:48 15 Nov 2016, Tim Streater wrote: In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: My conclusion is that the Eurosocalists are not interested in solving any social problems. They are perpetually selling themselves on the idea that once in power they WILL solve the problem, but of course they never do. After all, if they did, they wouldn't be needed any more. They also rig the electoral system so that it *looks* democratic, but actually isn't. Like using the List PR System, designed so that the top boys in the Party can't be gotten rid of, once elected. And so that if a Top Boy died or actually gasp resigned, then the vacant slot is in the Party's gift to fill and **** the electorate (by-election? What is that?) IN my lifetime only ONE politicians has said 'support me, I will do X, and then I will be out of a job' and that was Nigel Farage. And he did, and he will be. You're overlooking Dan Hannan, who said the same thing in front of a number of witnesses, including me. Except he didn't mean it and didn't do it. Nigel Farage, whom I actually quite like, told Andrew Marr recently that he wished to still lead UKIP but not to get involved in party management. That sounds like he's not giving up a job in politics just yet. In addition he's now seeking a job as a political go-between for Trump and May. One of his problems is that despite half a dozen attempts at standing for Parliament he can't get elected to anything other than the EU Parliament. Highlights the problem with EU Parliament elections. As he's probably top of their List, the electorate can't get rid of him. well they can. They simply stop voting UKIP... -- The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property. Karl Marx |
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On 15/11/16 16:13, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote: But we've pretty well established that morals mean nothing at all these days to most policians. Indeed, seen as something to laugh at with Corbyn. We don't larf at Jezza because oh dear the silly boy has gasp morals. We larf at him because he's a rubbish Leader. Corbyns morals are those of a rat in a gutter. -- The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property. Karl Marx |
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On 15/11/16 16:40, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 15/11/16 16:11, Tim Streater wrote: In article , pamela wrote: On 12:48 15 Nov 2016, Tim Streater wrote: In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: IN my lifetime only ONE politicians has said 'support me, I will do X, and then I will be out of a job' and that was Nigel Farage. And he did, and he will be. You're overlooking Dan Hannan, who said the same thing in front of a number of witnesses, including me. Except he didn't mean it and didn't do it. Didn't do what? engineer himself out of a job,. Dan Hannan never left the cosy tory party and his cosy MP job and salary. -- No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post. |
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Tim Streater wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote: But we've pretty well established that morals mean nothing at all these days to most policians. Indeed, seen as something to laugh at with Corbyn. We don't larf at Jezza because oh dear the silly boy has gasp morals. We larf at him because he's a rubbish Leader. Interesting you concern yourself with the leader of a party you don't support. Just remember that most said the referendum vote would be to stay in and Trump would never be elected. -- *If God had wanted me to touch my toes, he would have put them on my knees Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 15/11/16 01:49, Rod Speed wrote:
"TimW" wrote in message news On 14/11/16 23:43, Rod Speed wrote: Bill Wright wrote: Corbyn's party is extreme left. [...] Hard to claim that the renationalisation of everything that has ever been nationalised in the past isnt extreme left. er, I don't think that's what's proposed. Have fun listing what he doesnt want to renationalise. Car manufacturing, maybe, but that's about it. You made the claim. You can substantiate it. Except that you probably can't. We know there is talk of some form of public agency bidding for rail franchises as they come up. I think that's it. Banks, Power distribution, Water, Coal, Nuclear, Shipbuilding, Motors, Steel, rail engineering, road building, sugar... I don't even know how long the list is... postal services, telecomms....large parts of defence supply and contracts.... probably loads more. Tim w |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message news On 15/11/16 11:50, Capitol wrote: Capitol wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: Me? I support policies that are to the benefit of the people of this country. Less immigration Less taxes on work and profits More taxes on consumption Less government Less regulation Better education Scrap the BBC Scrap minimum wages. Scrap renewable energy. Leave the EU You'll never do as a guest on the ch4 Wright stuff program, which has a full fledged Remoaner agenda! Correction, ch5 Joking apart, there is a real dichotomy between the sort of protectionist Luddite type EU/Labour attitude of 'protecting jobs' by erecting trade barriers, which simply leads to export losses in the end, and plant closure, and the sort of more intelligent 'lets educate people who can take it to a very very high level, and teach them to think for themselves, remove government restrictions and let them make what they will of the world' which is what leads to new cutting edge businesses springing up that DO employ people. I.e job protection measures don't protect jobs. Minimum wages lead to unemployment instead. Anyone with half a brain can see this, and yet the Labour Faithful keep rattling on about it. Because like with renewable energy, the name of the game is not actually solving the problem, its virtue signalling and coming up with something cosmetic that has value in convincing people you actually care. Of course if you really cared, you would do something very different. My conclusion is that the Eurosocalists are not interested in solving any social problems. That is rather over stated. They have solved two social problems, world war after world war, and the free movement of people within the EU has solved another social problem, albeit with some real downsides. They are perpetually selling themselves on the idea that once in power they WILL solve the problem, but of course they never do. After all, if they did, they wouldn't be needed any more. IN my lifetime only ONE politicians has said 'support me, I will do X, and then I will be out of a job' and that was Nigel Farage. And he did, and he will be. -- "In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is true: it is true because it is powerful." Lucas Bergkamp |
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On 14/11/2016 20:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 14/11/16 19:58, critcher wrote: On 13/11/2016 21:32, Vir Campestris wrote: On 13/11/2016 20:18, critcher wrote: what anti-Semitism ??? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=labour+party+anti-semitism (about a quarter of a million hits, BTW) I want to know what you think is anti-Semitism, not what the papers say. Well why didn't you ask that question, then? cos i'm not as bright as you |
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Yes it does, so you can probably guess what I think. One way of assessing how far to the left or right a politician is might be to imagine how much good or bad they could do if they came to power. On that basis I'd say Mr Corbyn is an extremist because Marxism would destroy the economy Bill how many times has capitalism destroyed the economy ? Never to my certain knowledge. How many times has any particular type of government destroyed the economy? In fact when has the economy been 'destroyed'? I think the CP did a good job on the Soviet one, and the CP has buggered North Korea, and Mugabe, a self styled communist has sure ****ed up Zimbabwe. I think Bill thinks the economy can be destroyed by little old Jeremy. |
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On 15/11/16 17:20, TimW wrote:
On 15/11/16 01:49, Rod Speed wrote: "TimW" wrote in message news On 14/11/16 23:43, Rod Speed wrote: Bill Wright wrote: Corbyn's party is extreme left. [...] Hard to claim that the renationalisation of everything that has ever been nationalised in the past isnt extreme left. er, I don't think that's what's proposed. Have fun listing what he doesnt want to renationalise. Car manufacturing, maybe, but that's about it. You made the claim. You can substantiate it. Except that you probably can't. We know there is talk of some form of public agency bidding for rail franchises as they come up. I think that's it. Banks, Power distribution, Water, Coal, Nuclear, Shipbuilding, Motors, Steel, rail engineering, road building, sugar... I don't even know how long the list is... postal services, telecomms....large parts of defence supply and contracts.... probably loads more. Tim w Forgot power generation, ports and airports,... Rod? .....BP I think, quite a few technology companies, did I mention water? Rod? What was that claim you were making? TW |
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"pamela" wrote in message ... On 09:58 15 Nov 2016, Martin wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:05:29 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 14/11/16 20:01, critcher wrote: On 14/11/2016 12:05, Bill Wright wrote: On 14/11/2016 09:19, Chris Green wrote: In uk.d-i-y Bill Wright wrote: On 13/11/2016 22:08, Chris Green wrote: Personally I think le Pen is further right than Corbyn is left but I suspect you might disagree. It isn't really quantifiable is it? Not easily no, but your original posting depends on it as much as my reply surely?? Yes it does, so you can probably guess what I think. One way of assessing how far to the left or right a politician is might be to imagine how much good or bad they could do if they came to power. On that basis I'd say Mr Corbyn is an extremist because Marxism would destroy the economy and Stalinism would destroy free speech. I can't imagine that Mme le Pen could do that much damage. Bill how many times has capitalism destroyed the economy ? Never to my certain knowledge. The Great depression. 2008 Also......... For the UK, Black Monday in 1987 and Black Wednesday in 1992. For Asia, the financial crisis in 1997. For US, the Wall Street Crash and the Great Depression. None of those destroyed the economy. Just for you, Tulip Mania in C17! :-) |
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En el artículo , pamela
escribió: Not a fan? I didn't like those stories last year that Diana was pregnant with a Muslim baby when she died. Which paper? let me guess: the Express. -- (\_/) (='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10 (")_(") |
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On 16/11/16 12:25, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , pamela escribió: Not a fan? I didn't like those stories last year that Diana was pregnant with a Muslim baby when she died. Which paper? let me guess: the Express. Actually nearly all of the tabloids. Even the Telegraph ran it, but of course said it was mere hoohah. Still as a solid example of your leap into bigotry without checking the facts, its a handy post of yours to see. What's that called? Dunning Kruger? No, its confirmation bias. -- Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques. |
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On 16/11/16 13:40, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , pamela wrote: On 10:05 16 Nov 2016, Tim Streater wrote: In article , pamela wrote: On 09:58 15 Nov 2016, Martin wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:05:29 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 14/11/16 20:01, critcher wrote: On 14/11/2016 12:05, Bill Wright wrote: On 14/11/2016 09:19, Chris Green wrote: In uk.d-i-y Bill Wright wrote: On 13/11/2016 22:08, Chris Green wrote: Personally I think le Pen is further right than Corbyn is left but I suspect you might disagree. It isn't really quantifiable is it? Not easily no, but your original posting depends on it as much as my reply surely?? Yes it does, so you can probably guess what I think. One way of assessing how far to the left or right a politician is might be to imagine how much good or bad they could do if they came to power. On that basis I'd say Mr Corbyn is an extremist because Marxism would destroy the economy and Stalinism would destroy free speech. I can't imagine that Mme le Pen could do that much damage. how many times has capitalism destroyed the economy ? Never to my certain knowledge. The Great depression. 2008 Also......... For the UK, Black Monday in 1987 and Black Wednesday in 1992. For Asia, the financial crisis in 1997. For US, the Wall Street Crash and the Great Depression. Just for you, Tulip Mania in C17! :-) There's always people susceptible to hysteria. Just look at what happened in the aftermath of Diana's death (who she - Ed). Not a fan? I didn't like those stories last year that Diana was pregnant with a Muslim baby when she died. Not particularly. Where were those stories appearing, BTW, I missed them all. BBC Guardian telegraph mirror mail express star... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7025774.stm -- Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend. "Saki" |
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writes "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message news On 15/11/16 11:50, Capitol wrote: Capitol wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: Me? I support policies that are to the benefit of the people of this country. Less immigration Less taxes on work and profits More taxes on consumption Less government Less regulation Better education Scrap the BBC Scrap minimum wages. Scrap renewable energy. Leave the EU You'll never do as a guest on the ch4 Wright stuff program, which has a full fledged Remoaner agenda! Correction, ch5 Joking apart, there is a real dichotomy between the sort of protectionist Luddite type EU/Labour attitude of 'protecting jobs' by erecting trade barriers, which simply leads to export losses in the end, and plant closure, and the sort of more intelligent 'lets educate people who can take it to a very very high level, and teach them to think for themselves, remove government restrictions and let them make what they will of the world' which is what leads to new cutting edge businesses springing up that DO employ people. I.e job protection measures don't protect jobs. Minimum wages lead to unemployment instead. Anyone with half a brain can see this, and yet the Labour Faithful keep rattling on about it. Because like with renewable energy, the name of the game is not actually solving the problem, its virtue signalling and coming up with something cosmetic that has value in convincing people you actually care. Of course if you really cared, you would do something very different. My conclusion is that the Eurosocalists are not interested in solving any social problems. That is rather over stated. They have solved two social problems, world war after world war, This old chestnut again. H-bomb and Nato have prevented serious wars in Europe. and the free movement of people within the EU has solved another social problem, albeit with some real downsides. So it hasn't solved any social problem but rather has helped compound an already exiting one. Snip -- bert |
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"bert" wrote in message ... In article , Hankat writes "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message news On 15/11/16 11:50, Capitol wrote: Capitol wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: Me? I support policies that are to the benefit of the people of this country. Less immigration Less taxes on work and profits More taxes on consumption Less government Less regulation Better education Scrap the BBC Scrap minimum wages. Scrap renewable energy. Leave the EU You'll never do as a guest on the ch4 Wright stuff program, which has a full fledged Remoaner agenda! Correction, ch5 Joking apart, there is a real dichotomy between the sort of protectionist Luddite type EU/Labour attitude of 'protecting jobs' by erecting trade barriers, which simply leads to export losses in the end, and plant closure, and the sort of more intelligent 'lets educate people who can take it to a very very high level, and teach them to think for themselves, remove government restrictions and let them make what they will of the world' which is what leads to new cutting edge businesses springing up that DO employ people. I.e job protection measures don't protect jobs. Minimum wages lead to unemployment instead. Anyone with half a brain can see this, and yet the Labour Faithful keep rattling on about it. Because like with renewable energy, the name of the game is not actually solving the problem, its virtue signalling and coming up with something cosmetic that has value in convincing people you actually care. Of course if you really cared, you would do something very different. My conclusion is that the Eurosocalists are not interested in solving any social problems. That is rather over stated. They have solved two social problems, world war after world war, This old chestnut again. H-bomb and Nato have prevented serious wars in Europe. Must be why Bosnia happened. and the free movement of people within the EU has solved another social problem, albeit with some real downsides. So it hasn't solved any social problem Of course it has for those who want to move within the EU. but rather has helped compound an already exiting one. Not for those who want to move within the EU. |
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writes "bert" wrote in message ... In article , Hankat writes "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message news On 15/11/16 11:50, Capitol wrote: Capitol wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: Me? I support policies that are to the benefit of the people of this country. Less immigration Less taxes on work and profits More taxes on consumption Less government Less regulation Better education Scrap the BBC Scrap minimum wages. Scrap renewable energy. Leave the EU You'll never do as a guest on the ch4 Wright stuff program, which has a full fledged Remoaner agenda! Correction, ch5 Joking apart, there is a real dichotomy between the sort of protectionist Luddite type EU/Labour attitude of 'protecting jobs' by erecting trade barriers, which simply leads to export losses in the end, and plant closure, and the sort of more intelligent 'lets educate people who can take it to a very very high level, and teach them to think for themselves, remove government restrictions and let them make what they will of the world' which is what leads to new cutting edge businesses springing up that DO employ people. I.e job protection measures don't protect jobs. Minimum wages lead to unemployment instead. Anyone with half a brain can see this, and yet the Labour Faithful keep rattling on about it. Because like with renewable energy, the name of the game is not actually solving the problem, its virtue signalling and coming up with something cosmetic that has value in convincing people you actually care. Of course if you really cared, you would do something very different. My conclusion is that the Eurosocalists are not interested in solving any social problems. That is rather over stated. They have solved two social problems, world war after world war, This old chestnut again. H-bomb and Nato have prevented serious wars in Europe. Must be why Bosnia happened. Bosnia was not in the EU and it wasn't a world war. and the free movement of people within the EU has solved another social problem, albeit with some real downsides. So it hasn't solved any social problem Of course it has for those who want to move within the EU. That's not a "social problem" and as I said it compounded other social problems esp in the UK but rather has helped compound an already exiting one. Not for those who want to move within the EU. As above -- bert |
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"bert" wrote in message ... In article , Hankat writes "bert" wrote in message ... In article , Hankat writes "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message news On 15/11/16 11:50, Capitol wrote: Capitol wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: Me? I support policies that are to the benefit of the people of this country. Less immigration Less taxes on work and profits More taxes on consumption Less government Less regulation Better education Scrap the BBC Scrap minimum wages. Scrap renewable energy. Leave the EU You'll never do as a guest on the ch4 Wright stuff program, which has a full fledged Remoaner agenda! Correction, ch5 Joking apart, there is a real dichotomy between the sort of protectionist Luddite type EU/Labour attitude of 'protecting jobs' by erecting trade barriers, which simply leads to export losses in the end, and plant closure, and the sort of more intelligent 'lets educate people who can take it to a very very high level, and teach them to think for themselves, remove government restrictions and let them make what they will of the world' which is what leads to new cutting edge businesses springing up that DO employ people. I.e job protection measures don't protect jobs. Minimum wages lead to unemployment instead. Anyone with half a brain can see this, and yet the Labour Faithful keep rattling on about it. Because like with renewable energy, the name of the game is not actually solving the problem, its virtue signalling and coming up with something cosmetic that has value in convincing people you actually care. Of course if you really cared, you would do something very different. My conclusion is that the Eurosocalists are not interested in solving any social problems. That is rather over stated. They have solved two social problems, world war after world war, This old chestnut again. H-bomb and Nato have prevented serious wars in Europe. Must be why Bosnia happened. Bosnia was not in the EU and it wasn't a world war. You said serious wars in Europe. NATO and H bomb clearly didn't prevent that one. and the free movement of people within the EU has solved another social problem, albeit with some real downsides. So it hasn't solved any social problem Of course it has for those who want to move within the EU. That's not a "social problem" Of course it is. and as I said it compounded other social problems esp in the UK I said 'some real downsides' but rather has helped compound an already exiting one. Not for those who want to move within the EU. As above as above. |
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On Wednesday, 16 November 2016 15:01:09 UTC, bert wrote:
This old chestnut again. H-bomb and Nato have prevented serious wars in Europe. I thought we were all told that the EU achieved this or ather the previous version the EEC. |
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BBC bias: Corbyn and le Penn interviewed on the Andrew Marr programme
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writes "bert" wrote in message ... In article , Hankat writes "bert" wrote in message ... In article , Hankat writes "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message news On 15/11/16 11:50, Capitol wrote: Capitol wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: Me? I support policies that are to the benefit of the people country. Less immigration Less taxes on work and profits More taxes on consumption Less government Less regulation Better education Scrap the BBC Scrap minimum wages. Scrap renewable energy. Leave the EU You'll never do as a guest on the ch4 Wright stuff program, which has a full fledged Remoaner agenda! Correction, ch5 Joking apart, there is a real dichotomy between the sort of protectionist Luddite type EU/Labour attitude of 'protecting jobs' by erecting trade barriers, which simply leads to export losses in the end, and plant closure, and the sort of more intelligent 'lets educate people who can take it to a very very high level, and teach them to think for themselves, remove government restrictions and let them make what they will of the world' which is what leads to new cutting edge businesses springing up that DO employ people. I.e job protection measures don't protect jobs. Minimum wages lead to unemployment instead. Anyone with half a brain can see this, and yet the Labour Faithful keep rattling on about it. Because like with renewable energy, the name of the game is not actually solving the problem, its virtue signalling and coming up with something cosmetic that has value in convincing people you actually care. Of course if you really cared, you would do something very different. My conclusion is that the Eurosocalists are not interested in solving any social problems. That is rather over stated. They have solved two social problems, world war after world war, This old chestnut again. H-bomb and Nato have prevented serious wars in Europe. Must be why Bosnia happened. Bosnia was not in the EU and it wasn't a world war. Well neither did "eursocialists". Of course Bosnia was not in Nato and the Warsaw pact had collapsed with the Soviet Union. You said serious wars in Europe. NATO and H bomb clearly didn't prevent that one. and the free movement of people within the EU has solved another social problem, albeit with some real downsides. So it hasn't solved any social problem Of course it has for those who want to move within the EU. That's not a "social problem" Of course it is. and as I said it compounded other social problems esp in the UK I said 'some real downsides' In which case you haven't solved the problem merely exchanged it for another. but rather has helped compound an already exiting one. Not for those who want to move within the EU. As above as above. -- bert |
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BBC bias: Corbyn and le Penn interviewed on the Andrew Marr programme
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whisky-dave writes On Wednesday, 16 November 2016 15:01:09 UTC, bert wrote: This old chestnut again. H-bomb and Nato have prevented serious wars in Europe. I thought we were all told that the EU achieved this or ather the previous version the EEC. We are - frequently! -- bert |
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