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Strange noise from loft..
it sounds as if someone is sprinkling rice for a second or two onto the top of
the ceiling boards. Happens just for a second or two and then nothing else for hours or more. Is this typical of mice? I have noticed it several times in the small hours recently. One time at about 3am there was quite a fluttering sound, like wings going beserk, which lasted a while but it really wasn't the time to get the step ladder out and wake the whole household! Sceptical friends have suggest birds perched on the gutter can sound as if they're in the loft, or may have dropped small items that roll the roof. I can't see anything knawed in the loft, or any droppings. One side of the house is fairly rough natural stone, easily climbed by critters I'm sure, and at the top there are plenty of gaps which the builders tried to plug with some sort of metal mesh (though not very well) after we complained about the starling we once chased out of the place. Obviously I'd like to seal things up good and proper while still allowing ventilation. Any suggestions? The smallest mesh I can find is 6mm squares, and another usenet posting suggests some small fiends can still get through something even as fine as that! If I can find a smaller mesh, would that keep out most wee beasties? Is that yellow-y spray foam stuff suitable for pluggin any other small holes, do rodents feed upon it happily, is it a toxic nightmare to spray it in a confined space on all fours? The other noise we're getting sounds like something falling down inside the cavity wall... which leads to another question... the top of the cavity wall is open in the loft, so if anything can get into the cavity via the recent conservatory work it can in theory get into the loft. Am I OK to cover the top of the cavity wall, or does it need to 'breathe'? I just want a quiet loft devoid of all lifeforms from mould upwards in size! HELP! thanks. |
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Diphthong wrote:
it sounds as if someone is sprinkling rice for a second or two onto the top of the ceiling boards. Happens just for a second or two and then nothing else for hours or more. Is this typical of mice? I have noticed it several times in the small hours recently. One time at about 3am there was quite a fluttering sound, like wings going beserk, which lasted a while but it really wasn't the time to get the step ladder out and wake the whole household! Sceptical friends have suggest birds perched on the gutter can sound as if they're in the loft, or may have dropped small items that roll the roof. I can't see anything knawed in the loft, or any droppings. One side of the house is fairly rough natural stone, easily climbed by critters I'm sure, and at the top there are plenty of gaps which the builders tried to plug with some sort of metal mesh (though not very well) after we complained about the starling we once chased out of the place. Obviously I'd like to seal things up good and proper while still allowing ventilation. Any suggestions? The smallest mesh I can find is 6mm squares, and another usenet posting suggests some small fiends can still get through something even as fine as that! If I can find a smaller mesh, would that keep out most wee beasties? Is that yellow-y spray foam stuff suitable for pluggin any other small holes, do rodents feed upon it happily, is it a toxic nightmare to spray it in a confined space on all fours? A had a rat in the roof once that ate the fibreglass insulation.. The other noise we're getting sounds like something falling down inside the cavity wall... which leads to another question... the top of the cavity wall is open in the loft, so if anything can get into the cavity via the recent conservatory work it can in theory get into the loft. Am I OK to cover the top of the cavity wall, or does it need to 'breathe'? I just want a quiet loft devoid of all lifeforms from mould upwards in size! HELP! thanks. Mice can get through a space that just allows their skull through, basically about the size of a pencil. So mesh unless very fine, won't keep 'em out |
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On 5 Dec 2003 08:14:20 -0800, Diphthong wrote:
I just want a quiet loft devoid of all lifeforms from mould upwards in size! HELP! Be careful if it might be bats, as it is a criminal offence to disturb a bat's roost or block the bat's access. It is permissible in a house, but only under the supervision of English Nature. See http://www.bats.org.uk/batlaw.htm |
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Sounds like either Mice, Bats or Demonic Possesion! Have a look for any droppings, if you can't find any it's probably the latter option. |
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"Diphthong" wrote in message
om... it sounds as if someone is sprinkling rice for a second or two onto the top of the ceiling boards. Happens just for a second or two and then nothing else for hours or more. Is this typical of mice? I have noticed it several times in the small hours recently. One time at about 3am there was quite a fluttering sound, like wings going beserk, which lasted a while but it really wasn't the time to get the step ladder out and wake the whole household! Sceptical friends have suggest birds perched on the gutter can sound as if they're in the loft, or may have dropped small items that roll the roof. Years ago we used to hear small noises from the loft. One day I decided to investigate and pushed open the trap door. You know those rolls of old wallpaper you keep up there? One was thrown at me, I'll swear it didn't just fall. I thought Hitler must be still around. Spouse went up and found a dead, stinking, squirrel in some more wallpaper and evidence of at least one other, live one. He put netting over any holes big enough for them and there was no more noise. In our case they'd jump to the roof from a tree and somehow gain ingress once there. I used to see them jumping from the tree while I was sitting at the computer but thought no more of it. Mary |
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"Diphthong" wrote in message om... [snip] If it's any consolation, my house is normally rodent-free but at this time of year we get a few little "visitors". So the RAT trap is set and makes a nice indent on the mice dispatched by it. I'd clearly like to devise some sort of humane mice-excluder device that lures them to (say) the soffit area and then gives them a choice of one direction down a pipe and out of the house. Something with quite a few one-way ratchets so that once excluded there is no easy return. I'm getting tired of emptying the traps too. HTH Mungo |
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On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:08:58 +0000 (UTC), Mungo Henning wrote:
I'd clearly like to devise some sort of humane mice-excluder device that lures them to (say) the soffit area and then gives them a choice of one direction down a pipe and out of the house. They'd love that! Make your house into a playground for them wonderful. Experience has shown that the ones that come in when it gets cold outside will just keep coming back in unless you bump 'me off or transport them a good few miles. I'm getting tired of emptying the traps too. Since we started the transportation of our "visitors" 4 miles up onto the fell tops we don't see them again. Our first ones where mid October, about half a dozen or so, haven't had one for weeks now. Previously, when we released at the bottom of the paddock, it would 3 or 4 per week nearly all winter... -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:54:49 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote: Since we started the transportation of our "visitors" 4 miles up onto the fell tops we don't see them again. Our first ones where mid October, about half a dozen or so, haven't had one for weeks now. Previously, when we released at the bottom of the paddock, it would 3 or 4 per week nearly all winter... Could be that you are bumping them off anyway. Maybe they are making their way back to your place and on the way get confronted by some wild animal looking for its lunch..... PoP |
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 05:30:34 +0000, PoP wrote:
Could be that you are bumping them off anyway. Maybe they are making their way back to your place and on the way get confronted by some wild animal looking for its lunch..... Thats fine by me. I'm happier about possibly feeding the local predators than simply killing in cold blood and dumping in the compost heap. After all the Merlin, Brown Owls, Hen Harriers, Buzzards, Stoats, Weasles, Pole Cats, etc all have to live on something. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 05:30:34 +0000, PoP wrote: Could be that you are bumping them off anyway. Maybe they are making their way back to your place and on the way get confronted by some wild animal looking for its lunch..... Thats fine by me. I'm happier about possibly feeding the local predators than simply killing in cold blood and dumping in the compost heap. After all the Merlin, Brown Owls, Hen Harriers, Buzzards, Stoats, Weasles, Pole Cats, etc all have to live on something. So give them freshly slaughtered corpses. And save you them and the mouse all that extra effort. |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message . 1... On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:08:58 +0000 (UTC), Mungo Henning wrote: I'd clearly like to devise some sort of humane mice-excluder device that lures them to (say) the soffit area and then gives them a choice of one direction down a pipe and out of the house. They'd love that! Make your house into a playground for them wonderful. Experience has shown that the ones that come in when it gets cold outside will just keep coming back in unless you bump 'me off or transport them a good few miles. I'm getting tired of emptying the traps too. Since we started the transportation of our "visitors" 4 miles up onto the fell tops we don't see them again. Our first ones where mid October, about half a dozen or so, haven't had one for weeks now. Previously, when we released at the bottom of the paddock, it would 3 or 4 per week nearly all winter... It's very comforting to read that posters are prepared to admit that they have rodents. When I've said that we live in an unintended menagerie people express horror - but I believe that there must be few houses without the odd 'pest'. Perhaps they just don't see them or the evidence, or perhaps don't recognise the evidence ... or are in denial? Thanks to those here who do acknowledge 'pest' hosting, I'm in good company :-) Mary -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:04:30 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: It's very comforting to read that posters are prepared to admit that they have rodents. When I showed my grand daughter, 8yo, the paper that had been used by our "visitor" and the gnaw marks in a mars bar she took fright. She won't stay overnight now nor go upstairs un accompanied. This despite my having shown her nests with occupants in the wild. Having trapped (break back trap) them in the past and found them to be woodmice I'm leaving this one alone (well I have set a mikk bottle with chocolate but doubt it will work). AJH |
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"Andrew Heggie" wrote in message ... On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:04:30 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: It's very comforting to read that posters are prepared to admit that they have rodents. When I showed my grand daughter, 8yo, the paper that had been used by our "visitor" and the gnaw marks in a mars bar she took fright. I wonder why? Such a little thing compared with even an eight year old. But people are irrationally frightened of all sorts of tiny things, such as flying insects (even moths which can't bite or sting!) and yet are happy enough to walk alongside or cross a busy road risking several hundredweights of metal hitting them. She won't stay overnight now nor go upstairs un accompanied. This despite my having shown her nests with occupants in the wild. That's a shame. Having trapped (break back trap) them in the past and found them to be woodmice I'm leaving this one alone (well I have set a mikk bottle with chocolate but doubt it will work). A house mouse was killed in our Ratzapper last night. I'm not frightened of mice but don't want them in the house. Why? I don't know. They're not in the pantry. I'm as irrational as the next man - who set the trap, not me. Mary AJH |
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Mary Fisher wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message . 1... On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:08:58 +0000 (UTC), Mungo Henning wrote: I'd clearly like to devise some sort of humane mice-excluder device that lures them to (say) the soffit area and then gives them a choice of one direction down a pipe and out of the house. They'd love that! Make your house into a playground for them wonderful. Experience has shown that the ones that come in when it gets cold outside will just keep coming back in unless you bump 'me off or transport them a good few miles. I'm getting tired of emptying the traps too. Since we started the transportation of our "visitors" 4 miles up onto the fell tops we don't see them again. Our first ones where mid October, about half a dozen or so, haven't had one for weeks now. Previously, when we released at the bottom of the paddock, it would 3 or 4 per week nearly all winter... It's very comforting to read that posters are prepared to admit that they have rodents. When I've said that we live in an unintended menagerie people express horror - but I believe that there must be few houses without the odd 'pest'. Perhaps they just don't see them or the evidence, or perhaps don't recognise the evidence ... or are in denial? Thanks to those here who do acknowledge 'pest' hosting, I'm in good company :-) I have never lived in a house that didn't at one time or anoher have the odd mouse in it. They will come in through teh doors anyway if left open in summer. I trap and elminate. Letting them go outside is probabl vcertan death anyway as thats why they came inside. No food. Ive have had birds in the attic as well - very small holes will allow ingress, which is why meshed vents are now de rigeur for eaves. I had a rough hole punched through to allow a soil stack vent outside, and I think some got in that way. We found droppings, heard scuttlings, but no birds. I have had two small birds fall dwon into teh large pen fireplaces via the chimney, and two large birds - a pigeon and a crow - fell down teh 6" flue pipe to a wood burning stove. I assumed the pigeon got out, but hwen the grow arrived just above teh stove, I had to lever the pigein reamins out of the flue past the flap valve, whereupon the crow flew into the bedroom. Fortunately he had emptied his bowels on the pigeon, and eventually found the open windows. Rats are about, because we see them and find their corpses, but so far they haven't got inside. Or worse still into the thatch...aprrently rats in thatch is istant end of thatch. We put back the mummified cat we found in the old thatch, into the new thatch. Apparently keeps witches away. Must be working because we haven't had any witch infestations. Mary -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:04:30 -0000, Mary Fisher wrote:
It's very comforting to read that posters are prepared to admit that they have rodents. Whats the problem? The mice are just outside the door along with shrews, voles and rats. What do people expect an sensible animal to do when it gets cold? It's not going to stay out in the cold when there is a nice warm place with plentifull food supply just through that hole... We get an annual invasion around about mid October, when the first cold nights/frosts occur. The rest of the time the house is rodent free, well free of obvious signs of rodent... B-) With young children there are small particles of food under the dining table or on the kitchen floor, you'd have to hoover after every meal to not have. One of the first indications of a "visitor" is a clean carpet under the dining table or clean kitchen floor. I've watched them foraging in the kitchen, they don't miss the tinyest a crumb. I guess townies aren't used to the wildlife being quite so obvious and close. When I've said that we live in an unintended menagerie people express horror - but I believe that there must be few houses without the odd 'pest'. None, dust mites are everywhere that humans live. What do they quote? Half the weight of a 2 year old duvet is dust mite droppings or at least a significant percentage... I bet there aren't many places without woodlice somewhere or silverfish. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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It's very comforting to read that posters are prepared to admit that
they have rodents. Whats the problem? I don't know. I have no problem, I don't know why others do. The mice are just outside the door along with shrews, voles and rats. I know that, you know that, but very many people can't bear the thought of it. What do people expect an sensible animal to do when it gets cold? It's not going to stay out in the cold when there is a nice warm place with plentifull food supply just through that hole... Absolutely. We get an annual invasion around about mid October, when the first cold nights/frosts occur. The rest of the time the house is rodent free, well free of obvious signs of rodent... B-) Ah - you've hit the nail on the head. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence ... With young children there are small particles of food under the dining table or on the kitchen floor, you'd have to hoover after every meal to not have. One of the first indications of a "visitor" is a clean carpet under the dining table or clean kitchen floor. I've watched them foraging in the kitchen, they don't miss the tinyest a crumb. I guess townies aren't used to the wildlife being quite so obvious and close. Some of us are ... some of us understand that there are more rats per square whatever than there are in the country. When I've said that we live in an unintended menagerie people express horror - but I believe that there must be few houses without the odd 'pest'. None, dust mites are everywhere that humans live. What do they quote? Half the weight of a 2 year old duvet is dust mite droppings or at least a significant percentage... I bet there aren't many places without woodlice somewhere or silverfish. Now silverfish is the one thing I haven't seen in forty years in this house. I once saw a couple in an only occasionally inhabited ancient cottage on the North Yorkshire Moors. I don't mind the mammals. I'm not worried about most lepidoptera or hymenoptera. I don't warm to slugs or maggots (yes I KNOW some of them are baby lepidoptera). Woodlice are snapped up by the hens. We haven't had evidence of fleas since the cat went for his last trip to the vets. But mostly we don't mind sharing our living quarters with other life, we share the Earth with far more than come in here. And as you say, there are Things which we don't know about and mostly can't see. Mary -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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Sounds like mice or rats.
Whatever they are, if you put some bait down and that kills the ones there, then that normally solves the problem and no others tend to return - so you don't have to bother trying to seal every possible hole dg "Diphthong" wrote in message om... it sounds as if someone is sprinkling rice for a second or two onto the top of the ceiling boards. Happens just for a second or two and then nothing else for hours or more. Is this typical of mice? I have noticed it several times in the small hours recently. One time at about 3am there was quite a fluttering sound, like wings going beserk, which lasted a while but it really wasn't the time to get the step ladder out and wake the whole household! Sceptical friends have suggest birds perched on the gutter can sound as if they're in the loft, or may have dropped small items that roll the roof. I can't see anything knawed in the loft, or any droppings. One side of the house is fairly rough natural stone, easily climbed by critters I'm sure, and at the top there are plenty of gaps which the builders tried to plug with some sort of metal mesh (though not very well) after we complained about the starling we once chased out of the place. Obviously I'd like to seal things up good and proper while still allowing ventilation. Any suggestions? The smallest mesh I can find is 6mm squares, and another usenet posting suggests some small fiends can still get through something even as fine as that! If I can find a smaller mesh, would that keep out most wee beasties? Is that yellow-y spray foam stuff suitable for pluggin any other small holes, do rodents feed upon it happily, is it a toxic nightmare to spray it in a confined space on all fours? The other noise we're getting sounds like something falling down inside the cavity wall... which leads to another question... the top of the cavity wall is open in the loft, so if anything can get into the cavity via the recent conservatory work it can in theory get into the loft. Am I OK to cover the top of the cavity wall, or does it need to 'breathe'? I just want a quiet loft devoid of all lifeforms from mould upwards in size! HELP! thanks. |
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