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Fixing to crappy wall
I've fit (fitted?) a banister to the mother in law's wall.
4 brackets, about 40mm round against wall, three screws in each. 3 went on OK, one is in an area where there is no solid wall. I glued some plugs in but it's not happening. At home i'd drill big holes and glue/hammer fat dowels in and screw into that but I want to contain whatever destruction I cause behind the bracket I can't decide what to do that would cause least disruption to the decor. Ideas appreciated. |
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On 06/09/16 17:21, R D S wrote:
I've fit (fitted?) a banister to the mother in law's wall. 4 brackets, about 40mm round against wall, three screws in each. 3 went on OK, one is in an area where there is no solid wall. I glued some plugs in but it's not happening. At home i'd drill big holes and glue/hammer fat dowels in and screw into that but I want to contain whatever destruction I cause behind the bracket I can't decide what to do that would cause least disruption to the decor. Ideas appreciated. What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not solid") |
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On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not solid") Of course. It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill into. |
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R D S wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not solid") Of course. It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill into. You've hit the brick joints, try moving the bracket a few inches left or right and trying again, fill holes with sandable filler and paint |
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On 06/09/2016 17:56, Phil L wrote:
R D S wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not solid") Of course. It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill into. You've hit the brick joints, With all three screws? That's bad luck, but possible, I suppose. Mother in law will no doubt complain about the mess, the noise, the ruining of all her decorations, and the slow speed which the work is done at. Also, she doesn't want the damn handrail, doesn't want any changes, and won't admit she needs a handrail or use it once it's up. Or was that just my MIL? |
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R D S wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not solid") Of course. It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill into. when I came to fit hanrails in my father's house (Victorian) i found the plaster could be up to 3cms thick. I had to use very long screws to get a firm fixing. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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R D S wrote:
I've fit (fitted?) a banister to the mother in law's wall. 4 brackets, about 40mm round against wall, three screws in each. 3 went on OK, one is in an area where there is no solid wall. I glued some plugs in but it's not happening. At home i'd drill big holes and glue/hammer fat dowels in and screw into that but I want to contain whatever destruction I cause behind the bracket I can't decide what to do that would cause least disruption to the decor. Ideas appreciated. Take the handrail off completely and affix an appropriate length of 3X1 planed timber. You can use as many fixings as you like to get it solid. (fill holes before painting) Affix the handrail to that |
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On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 18:17:39 +0100, GB wrote:
On 06/09/2016 17:56, Phil L wrote: R D S wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not solid") Of course. It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill into. You've hit the brick joints, With all three screws? That's bad luck, but possible, I suppose. Mother in law will no doubt complain about the mess, the noise, the ruining of all her decorations, and the slow speed which the work is done at. Also, she doesn't want the damn handrail, doesn't want any changes, and won't admit she needs a handrail or use it once it's up. Or was that just my MIL? No, we are having the same problem now mine lives with us. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 06/09/16 17:49, R D S wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not solid") Of course. It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill into. What do you reckon it is? Voids in the mortar, or those horrid hollow bricks? In either case, resin would do if you need a monster fixing. For normal loads, how about: http://www.fischer.co.uk/Home/tabid-...roductdetails/ I really do rate Fischer - they have products that exceed the humble red plug in most applications and are easy to obtain (SF/TS stock a fair part of the range, Amazon for the rest). |
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On 06/09/16 18:52, Phil L wrote:
R D S wrote: I've fit (fitted?) a banister to the mother in law's wall. 4 brackets, about 40mm round against wall, three screws in each. 3 went on OK, one is in an area where there is no solid wall. I glued some plugs in but it's not happening. At home i'd drill big holes and glue/hammer fat dowels in and screw into that but I want to contain whatever destruction I cause behind the bracket I can't decide what to do that would cause least disruption to the decor. Ideas appreciated. Take the handrail off completely and affix an appropriate length of 3X1 planed timber. You can use as many fixings as you like to get it solid. (fill holes before painting) Affix the handrail to that That is good advice. You can't get a fixing which is stronger than the wall itself, and if it's plasterboard or crumbly old **** that might just not be strong enough and no amount of glue squirted in and oversized plugs will make it strong enough. TW |
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On 06/09/16 17:21, R D S wrote:
I've fit (fitted?) a banister to the mother in law's wall. 4 brackets, about 40mm round against wall, three screws in each. 3 went on OK, one is in an area where there is no solid wall. I glued some plugs in but it's not happening. At home i'd drill big holes and glue/hammer fat dowels in and screw into that but I want to contain whatever destruction I cause behind the bracket I can't decide what to do that would cause least disruption to the decor. Ideas appreciated. Drill oversized hole, stuff newspaper in there, make a big dimple in it and fill with car body filler. -- "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" Margaret Thatcher |
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On 06/09/16 17:49, R D S wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not solid") Of course. It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill into. oh, if its brick with a void, just inject car body filler and robert is a relative -- "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere" |
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On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 17:49:49 UTC+1, R D S wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not solid") Of course. It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill into. Enlarge the holes with screwdriver until you hit solid bricks, blow out dust, paint on dilute pva and fill. A few days later you can drill & fix soundly. PS If you don't hit solid brick, stop when the hole reaches a foot or so wide. NT |
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Make a handrail. 2x2 on the wall and then a bit of decent varnished 5 x 1 screwed onto it. |
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R D S wrote:
I've fit (fitted?) a banister to the mother in law's wall. 4 brackets, about 40mm round against wall, three screws in each. 3 went on OK, one is in an area where there is no solid wall. I glued some plugs in but it's not happening. At home i'd drill big holes and glue/hammer fat dowels in and screw into that but I want to contain whatever destruction I cause behind the bracket I can't decide what to do that would cause least disruption to the decor. Ideas appreciated. Take the brackets back off and screw a length (equal to ar slightly longer than the handrail) of 150 x 38mm bevelled edged door lining to the wall with some long No10 or 12 screws as a backboard. Finish it to your satisfaction and then screw the handrail brackest onto that. NB. If you wish, work out where the brackets will be and put the screws holding the backboard at those points - and then screw th handrail brackets over the tops of them. This is a far neater and stronger method of fixing handrails. Cash |
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On 06/09/2016 18:17, GB wrote:
On 06/09/2016 17:56, Phil L wrote: R D S wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not solid") Of course. It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill into. You've hit the brick joints, With all three screws? That's bad luck, but possible, I suppose. Entirely possible, horizontal & vertical at the same time. Mother in law will no doubt complain about the mess, the noise, the ruining of all her decorations, and the slow speed which the work is done at. Also, she doesn't want the damn handrail, doesn't want any changes, and won't admit she needs a handrail or use it once it's up. Or was that just my MIL? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman |
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On 06/09/2016 18:19, charles wrote:
In article , R D S wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not solid") Of course. It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill into. when I came to fit hanrails in my father's house (Victorian) i found the plaster could be up to 3cms thick. I had to use very long screws to get a firm fixing. I've found that often. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman |
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On 06/09/2016 19:14, Tim Watts wrote:
On 06/09/16 17:49, R D S wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not solid") Of course. It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill into. What do you reckon it is? Voids in the mortar, or those horrid hollow bricks? In either case, resin would do if you need a monster fixing. For normal loads, how about: http://www.fischer.co.uk/Home/tabid-...roductdetails/ I really do rate Fischer - they have products that exceed the humble red plug in most applications and are easy to obtain (SF/TS stock a fair part of the range, Amazon for the rest). Rawlplug UNO take some beating IMO. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman |
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GB wrote:
On 06/09/2016 17:56, Phil L wrote: R D S wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not solid") Of course. It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill into. You've hit the brick joints, With all three screws? That's bad luck, but possible, I suppose. Mother in law will no doubt complain about the mess, the noise, the ruining of all her decorations, and the slow speed which the work is done at. Also, she doesn't want the damn handrail, doesn't want any changes, and won't admit she needs a handrail or use it once it's up. Or was that just my MIL? No, it's true for all female family members! I really appreciate being deaf! |
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