Fixing to crappy wall
 

I've fit (fitted?) a banister to the mother in law's wall.
4 brackets, about 40mm round against wall, three screws in each.

3 went on OK, one is in an area where there is no solid wall.
I glued some plugs in but it's not happening.

At home i'd drill big holes and glue/hammer fat dowels in and screw into
that but I want to contain whatever destruction I cause behind the bracket

I can't decide what to do that would cause least disruption to the decor.

Ideas appreciated.

Fixing to crappy wall
 

On 06/09/16 17:21, R D S wrote:
I've fit (fitted?) a banister to the mother in law's wall.
4 brackets, about 40mm round against wall, three screws in each.

3 went on OK, one is in an area where there is no solid wall.
I glued some plugs in but it's not happening.

At home i'd drill big holes and glue/hammer fat dowels in and screw into
that but I want to contain whatever destruction I cause behind the bracket

I can't decide what to do that would cause least disruption to the decor.

Ideas appreciated.


What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not
solid")

Fixing to crappy wall
 

On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not
solid")

Of course.

It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill
into.

Fixing to crappy wall
 

R D S wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are
not solid")

Of course.

It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to
drill into.

You've hit the brick joints, try moving the bracket a few inches left or
right and trying again, fill holes with sandable filler and paint

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On 06/09/2016 17:56, Phil L wrote:
R D S wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are
not solid")

Of course.

It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to
drill into.

You've hit the brick joints,

With all three screws? That's bad luck, but possible, I suppose.

Mother in law will no doubt complain about the mess, the noise, the
ruining of all her decorations, and the slow speed which the work is
done at. Also, she doesn't want the damn handrail, doesn't want any
changes, and won't admit she needs a handrail or use it once it's up. Or
was that just my MIL?

Fixing to crappy wall
 

In article ,
R D S wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not
solid")

Of course.

It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill
into.

when I came to fit hanrails in my father's house (Victorian) i found the
plaster could be up to 3cms thick. I had to use very long screws to get a
firm fixing.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

Fixing to crappy wall
 

R D S wrote:
I've fit (fitted?) a banister to the mother in law's wall.
4 brackets, about 40mm round against wall, three screws in each.

3 went on OK, one is in an area where there is no solid wall.
I glued some plugs in but it's not happening.

At home i'd drill big holes and glue/hammer fat dowels in and screw
into that but I want to contain whatever destruction I cause behind
the bracket

I can't decide what to do that would cause least disruption to the
decor.

Ideas appreciated.

Take the handrail off completely and affix an appropriate length of 3X1
planed timber.

You can use as many fixings as you like to get it solid. (fill holes before
painting)

Affix the handrail to that

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On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 18:17:39 +0100, GB wrote:

On 06/09/2016 17:56, Phil L wrote:
R D S wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are
not solid")

Of course.

It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to
drill into.

You've hit the brick joints,

With all three screws? That's bad luck, but possible, I suppose.

Mother in law will no doubt complain about the mess, the noise, the
ruining of all her decorations, and the slow speed which the work is
done at. Also, she doesn't want the damn handrail, doesn't want any
changes, and won't admit she needs a handrail or use it once it's up. Or
was that just my MIL?

No, we are having the same problem now mine lives with us.



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On 06/09/16 17:49, R D S wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not
solid")

Of course.

It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill
into.


What do you reckon it is? Voids in the mortar, or those horrid hollow
bricks?

In either case, resin would do if you need a monster fixing.

For normal loads, how about:

http://www.fischer.co.uk/Home/tabid-...roductdetails/

I really do rate Fischer - they have products that exceed the humble red
plug in most applications and are easy to obtain (SF/TS stock a fair
part of the range, Amazon for the rest).

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On 06/09/16 18:52, Phil L wrote:
R D S wrote:
I've fit (fitted?) a banister to the mother in law's wall.
4 brackets, about 40mm round against wall, three screws in each.

3 went on OK, one is in an area where there is no solid wall.
I glued some plugs in but it's not happening.

At home i'd drill big holes and glue/hammer fat dowels in and screw
into that but I want to contain whatever destruction I cause behind
the bracket

I can't decide what to do that would cause least disruption to the
decor.

Ideas appreciated.

Take the handrail off completely and affix an appropriate length of 3X1
planed timber.

You can use as many fixings as you like to get it solid. (fill holes before
painting)

Affix the handrail to that


That is good advice. You can't get a fixing which is stronger than the
wall itself, and if it's plasterboard or crumbly old **** that might
just not be strong enough and no amount of glue squirted in and
oversized plugs will make it strong enough.
TW

Fixing to crappy wall
 

On 06/09/16 17:21, R D S wrote:
I've fit (fitted?) a banister to the mother in law's wall.
4 brackets, about 40mm round against wall, three screws in each.

3 went on OK, one is in an area where there is no solid wall.
I glued some plugs in but it's not happening.

At home i'd drill big holes and glue/hammer fat dowels in and screw into
that but I want to contain whatever destruction I cause behind the bracket

I can't decide what to do that would cause least disruption to the decor.

Ideas appreciated.

Drill oversized hole, stuff newspaper in there, make a big dimple in it
and fill with car body filler.



--
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always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

Margaret Thatcher

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On 06/09/16 17:49, R D S wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not
solid")

Of course.

It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill
into.

oh, if its brick with a void, just inject car body filler and robert is
a relative


--
"It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing
conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"

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On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 17:49:49 UTC+1, R D S wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not
solid")

Of course.

It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill
into.

Enlarge the holes with screwdriver until you hit solid bricks, blow out dust, paint on dilute pva and fill. A few days later you can drill & fix soundly.

PS If you don't hit solid brick, stop when the hole reaches a foot or so wide.


NT

Fixing to crappy wall
 

Make a handrail. 2x2 on the wall and then a bit of decent varnished 5 x 1
screwed onto it.

Fixing to crappy wall
 

R D S wrote:
I've fit (fitted?) a banister to the mother in law's wall.
4 brackets, about 40mm round against wall, three screws in each.

3 went on OK, one is in an area where there is no solid wall.
I glued some plugs in but it's not happening.

At home i'd drill big holes and glue/hammer fat dowels in and screw
into that but I want to contain whatever destruction I cause behind
the bracket

I can't decide what to do that would cause least disruption to the
decor.

Ideas appreciated.

Take the brackets back off and screw a length (equal to ar slightly longer
than the handrail) of 150 x 38mm bevelled edged door lining to the wall with
some long No10 or 12 screws as a backboard.

Finish it to your satisfaction and then screw the handrail brackest onto
that.

NB. If you wish, work out where the brackets will be and put the screws
holding the backboard at those points - and then screw th handrail brackets
over the tops of them.

This is a far neater and stronger method of fixing handrails.

Cash

Fixing to crappy wall
 

On 06/09/2016 18:17, GB wrote:
On 06/09/2016 17:56, Phil L wrote:
R D S wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are
not solid")

Of course.

It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to
drill into.

You've hit the brick joints,

With all three screws? That's bad luck, but possible, I suppose.

Entirely possible, horizontal & vertical at the same time.

Mother in law will no doubt complain about the mess, the noise, the
ruining of all her decorations, and the slow speed which the work is
done at. Also, she doesn't want the damn handrail, doesn't want any
changes, and won't admit she needs a handrail or use it once it's up. Or
was that just my MIL?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman

Fixing to crappy wall
 

On 06/09/2016 18:19, charles wrote:
In article ,
R D S wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not
solid")

Of course.

It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill
into.

when I came to fit hanrails in my father's house (Victorian) i found the
plaster could be up to 3cms thick. I had to use very long screws to get a
firm fixing.

I've found that often.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman

Fixing to crappy wall
 

On 06/09/2016 19:14, Tim Watts wrote:
On 06/09/16 17:49, R D S wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are not
solid")

Of course.

It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to drill
into.


What do you reckon it is? Voids in the mortar, or those horrid hollow
bricks?

In either case, resin would do if you need a monster fixing.

For normal loads, how about:

http://www.fischer.co.uk/Home/tabid-...roductdetails/


I really do rate Fischer - they have products that exceed the humble red
plug in most applications and are easy to obtain (SF/TS stock a fair
part of the range, Amazon for the rest).


Rawlplug UNO take some beating IMO.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman

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GB wrote:
On 06/09/2016 17:56, Phil L wrote:
R D S wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2016 17:29:13 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

What is the wall construction? (As there are several types that "are
not solid")

Of course.

It's a wall that *should be* solid, brick, rest of it was nice to
drill into.

You've hit the brick joints,

With all three screws? That's bad luck, but possible, I suppose.

Mother in law will no doubt complain about the mess, the noise, the
ruining of all her decorations, and the slow speed which the work is
done at. Also, she doesn't want the damn handrail, doesn't want any
changes, and won't admit she needs a handrail or use it once it's up.
Or was that just my MIL?

No, it's true for all female family members! I really appreciate
being deaf!