In article ,
Johnny B Good wrote:
Very, judging by some of the Facebook posts I see.

Please keep in mind that such sources will have a very strong selection
bias towards a group with lower than normal literacy skills, compounded
by the effect of using handheld keyboardless communication devices
(Smartphones and Tablets) which will strongly motivate the 'writing
style' to one of brevity in the extreme.

There are groups on Facebook you can join. Same as forums, really. Join
those for your interests and you'll get posts that (usually) interest you.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Johnny B Good wrote:
You *do* realise, don't you, that using the phrase "tee hee" in usenet
postings endows upon you the persona of a "Beano" character prone to
nervous titterings?

Actually, for me at least, that phrase rather puts me in mind of Billy
Bradshaw, a character from an ongoing comedy saga aired by Radio
Merseyside in daily five minute episodes.

Billy Bunter here. Can still see Gerald Champion saying it. They'd never
get away with a middle aged man playing a boy on TV these days. ;-)

--
*Would a fly without wings be called a walk?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Saturday, 9 May 2015 11:08:26 UTC+1, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Rod Speed used his keyboard to write :
His first name & surname were very common English names, so I assume
English is his first language, although I might be wrong.

SWMBO works in social services and commented that they get many similarly
poor communications.

Not saying my grasp of grammar & punctuation is 100% perfect.

Which prompts the question; just how bad is our education system?

You don't know that one was produced by the british education system.

Or that it even bothered to show up in school much even if it was.

Likely it was a product of the British education system. At least most
everyone used to leave school with the basics, but the basics seem not
quite so important now, judging by some of that which I read.

But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london) so not much point in speaking English few understand and even less will be listening.
I sit at the bus stop with kids and parents going past every weekday I rarely hear English being spoken.


Some so
badly written I am unable to derive any sense at all from it and not
that uncommon. Being able to communicate effectively is an essential
life skill.

So learn a few euproean languages if you want to communicate in London.

On Saturday, 9 May 2015 15:40:02 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
On 09/05/15 13:07, Fredxxx wrote:


Interesting, I recall my early French lessons where everyone was given a
French name and this was always used to address us in French lessons. I
can't remember mine!

I had one in Spanish - Manuel IIRC, or might have been Miguel.

But not in French. Sadly I was never enthused by either language and
they would not let me do German because "it was too hard".

My French teacher was a Pakistani, very strong accent in both languages.
if you couldn't understand his English you were being racist, if you couldn't understand his French you were just thick.

On 11/05/15 12:02, whisky-dave wrote:
On Saturday, 9 May 2015 15:40:02 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
On 09/05/15 13:07, Fredxxx wrote:


Interesting, I recall my early French lessons where everyone was given a
French name and this was always used to address us in French lessons. I
can't remember mine!

I had one in Spanish - Manuel IIRC, or might have been Miguel.

But not in French. Sadly I was never enthused by either language and
they would not let me do German because "it was too hard".

My French teacher was a Pakistani, very strong accent in both languages.
if you couldn't understand his English you were being racist, if you couldn't understand his French you were just thick.

My spanish teacher was welsh. Similar problem

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, 9 May 2015 11:08:26 UTC+1, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Rod Speed used his keyboard to write :
His first name & surname were very common English names, so I assume
English is his first language, although I might be wrong.

SWMBO works in social services and commented that they get many
similarly
poor communications.

Not saying my grasp of grammar & punctuation is 100% perfect.

Which prompts the question; just how bad is our education system?

You don't know that one was produced by the british education system.

Or that it even bothered to show up in school much even if it was.

Likely it was a product of the British education system. At least most
everyone used to leave school with the basics, but the basics seem not
quite so important now, judging by some of that which I read.

But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london)

BULL****.

so not much point in speaking English few
understand and even less will be listening.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

I sit at the bus stop with kids and parents going past
every weekday I rarely hear English being spoken.

Isn't true of the whole of London.

Some so
badly written I am unable to derive any sense at all from it and not
that uncommon. Being able to communicate effectively is an essential
life skill.

So learn a few euproean languages if you want to communicate in London.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london)

You been reading the UKIP leaflets again? Because even if you mean non
white, it's rubbish. Those figures would be different for each school.

In any case, the vast majority of all school kids are British - having
been born here.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Monday, 11 May 2015 12:17:26 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, 9 May 2015 11:08:26 UTC+1, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Rod Speed used his keyboard to write :
His first name & surname were very common English names, so I assume
English is his first language, although I might be wrong.

SWMBO works in social services and commented that they get many
similarly
poor communications.

Not saying my grasp of grammar & punctuation is 100% perfect.

Which prompts the question; just how bad is our education system?

You don't know that one was produced by the british education system.

Or that it even bothered to show up in school much even if it was.

Likely it was a product of the British education system. At least most
everyone used to leave school with the basics, but the basics seem not
quite so important now, judging by some of that which I read.

But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london)

BULL****.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pils-time.html

and that was nearly 4 years ago !

Just the moron I was waiting for to allow me to post it.
Note that they include Polish as being white because they are.
Even if a racist like you doesn't see them as white.



so not much point in speaking English few
understand and even less will be listening.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

You've got no idea have you. You being playing with stun guns
puting it up against your temple to see it it works.





I sit at the bus stop with kids and parents going past
every weekday I rarely hear English being spoken.

Isn't true of the whole of London.

I wasn't sting at *a* bus stop which covered the whole of London.

On Monday, 11 May 2015 13:44:17 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london)

You been reading the UKIP leaflets again?

No, haven;t read a single leaflet from any party.

Because even if you mean non
white, it's rubbish. Those figures would be different for each school.

of course they are differnt for differnt schools.
You should check out a few of the local muslim schools see how many white faces you see.


In any case, the vast majority of all school kids are British - having
been born here.

Wrong, the vast majority of children ARE NOT British.
Lots of countries have higher brith rates than Britain.

But are your refering to the world or the universe .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...rn-parent.html.

That's England, in London it's differnt again, and east London again.

if you're brave enough take a photo/video with audio of a playground in an East London School. You'll find that even those parents who's children born in London are speaking the same langauge as their parents. Previously when they were in the miniroty foreign parents use to encourage their children to speak English, this is less nowerdays. Most of my friends are NON english but they speak Englsh.


http://www.theguardian.com/uk/databl...s-poverty-race

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
In any case, the vast majority of all school kids are British - having
been born here.

Wrong, the vast majority of children ARE NOT British.
Lots of countries have higher brith rates than Britain.

Children born in another country are whatever nationality they are. If
born in the UK, they are British.

But are your refering to the world or the universe .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...rn-parent.html.

That's England, in London it's differnt again, and east London again.

if you're brave enough take a photo/video with audio of a playground in
an East London School. You'll find that even those parents who's
children born in London are speaking the same langauge as their parents.
Previously when they were in the miniroty foreign parents use to
encourage their children to speak English, this is less nowerdays. Most
of my friends are NON english but they speak Englsh.

Of course you could find a school to suit your view. But that doesn't mean
it applies to all schools.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message ,
whisky-dave writes
On Monday, 11 May 2015 13:44:17 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london)

You been reading the UKIP leaflets again?

No, haven;t read a single leaflet from any party.

Because even if you mean non
white, it's rubbish. Those figures would be different for each school.

of course they are differnt for differnt schools.
You should check out a few of the local muslim schools see how many
white faces you see.


In any case, the vast majority of all school kids are British - having
been born here.

Wrong, the vast majority of children ARE NOT British.
Lots of countries have higher brith rates than Britain.

The discussion is obviously about school kids in the UK. Most kids in
school in the UK have been born here

But are your refering to the world or the universe .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...hildren-born-i
n-England-has-foreign-born-parent.html.

That's England, in London it's differnt again, and east London again.


note that the third quoted is one or both parents foreign born - so lots
have at least one UK born parent


if you're brave enough take a photo/video with audio of a playground
in an East London School. You'll find that even those parents who's
children born in London are speaking the same langauge as their
parents. Previously when they were in the miniroty foreign parents use
to encourage their children to speak English, this is less nowerdays.

And you know that how?

People can be bilingual you know, I used to teach in the Leeds/Bradford
area. Lots of the schools in Bradford have a high number of pupils with
a Pakistani heritage. Mostly at least 2nd/3rd generation they all spoke
at least two languages - Pakistani and English. I can't think of one
child (this was secondary) who couldn't speak perfectly good English -
around school they would mostly use English, though with their friends
they would tend to use both.

It's not the kids who don't learn English very well, it's the first
generation migrant parents who might not, especially if they live in a
big ethnic community (like those British people who move to France/Spain
etc. and never really learn the local language very well)



--
Chris French

On Monday, 11 May 2015 15:07:17 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
In any case, the vast majority of all school kids are British - having
been born here.

Wrong, the vast majority of children ARE NOT British.
Lots of countries have higher brith rates than Britain.

Children born in another country are whatever nationality they are. If
born in the UK, they are British.

or scotish or welsh or english even irish. Do you have a problem with that.
If you're Bristish why do some want idependance ?



But are your refering to the world or the universe .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...rn-parent.html.

That's England, in London it's differnt again, and east London again.

if you're brave enough take a photo/video with audio of a playground in
an East London School. You'll find that even those parents who's
children born in London are speaking the same langauge as their parents.
Previously when they were in the miniroty foreign parents use to
encourage their children to speak English, this is less nowerdays. Most
of my friends are NON english but they speak Englsh.

Of course you could find a school to suit your view.

Not that difficult if they are in your borough or near where you work there's loads

But that doesn't mean
it applies to all schools.

And if your local is Eton ...... try to do a racial mix count there.
That doesn;t allpy to all schools either.
How many of their kids are on benifit, how many couldn't speak English the day they arrived.

On Monday, 11 May 2015 16:30:13 UTC+1, Chris French wrote:
In message ,
whisky-dave writes
On Monday, 11 May 2015 13:44:17 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london)

You been reading the UKIP leaflets again?

No, haven;t read a single leaflet from any party.

Because even if you mean non
white, it's rubbish. Those figures would be different for each school.

of course they are differnt for differnt schools.
You should check out a few of the local muslim schools see how many
white faces you see.


In any case, the vast majority of all school kids are British - having
been born here.

Wrong, the vast majority of children ARE NOT British.
Lots of countries have higher brith rates than Britain.

The discussion is obviously about school kids in the UK. Most kids in
school in the UK have been born here

So what.


But are your refering to the world or the universe .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...hildren-born-i
n-England-has-foreign-born-parent.html.

That's England, in London it's differnt again, and east London again.


note that the third quoted is one or both parents foreign born - so lots
have at least one UK born parent

So.



if you're brave enough take a photo/video with audio of a playground
in an East London School. You'll find that even those parents who's
children born in London are speaking the same langauge as their
parents. Previously when they were in the miniroty foreign parents use
to encourage their children to speak English, this is less nowerdays.

And you know that how?

I work in edcation and I have friends that have kids both in London and outside .
I wait about 20mins at a bus stop every morning I hear the kids and parents.


People can be bilingual you know, I used to teach in the Leeds/Bradford
area.

I had a french flatmat for 5 years she was triligual.

Lots of the schools in Bradford have a high number of pupils with
a Pakistani heritage. Mostly at least 2nd/3rd generation they all spoke
at least two languages - Pakistani and English. I can't think of one
child (this was secondary) who couldn't speak perfectly good English -
around school they would mostly use English, though with their friends
they would tend to use both.

Yep 2nd/3rd gen, but not the recent ones from Poland and other Eastern European countries.


It's not the kids who don't learn English very well, it's the first
generation migrant parents who might not, especially if they live in a
big ethnic community

which they do.

(like those British people who move to France/Spain
etc. and never really learn the local language very well)

I've already complained at the standard of the English use4d here for teaching,
and that;s at uni if I can see a problem it's gotta be bad.

On Sat, 09 May 2015 21:17:42 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 09/05/15 20:12, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I had a look at the 31 year ape boy and man beast girlfriend who still
live with his parents next door.
She had put a photo of her family there and it was like a photo from
the Munsters. She really should not have done it.

Are the parents normal?

I gave her messages a brief look at, but lost interest after:- dude,
g8,
tonite @ me plce, xxxxxx and loads more crap.

I had a student send me a job request like that once. I sent it back
with a request to speak English.

You must have been desperate for staff if you replied to him.

The other people I have looked at are just about the same.
The old CB Radios had more intelligent people using them.

I was going to say it was because a CB require some effort to put
together - but somehow some people manage to get a PC going long enough
to post broken english. I blame Apple...

Well, I just plugged mine in, used a SWR meter and it worked. I don't
remember what SWR means.

Standing Wave Ratio (Bridge) meter. It showed the ratio of transmitted
current or voltage to reflected current or voltage (actually voltage in
the case of a VSWR meter). Most VSWR meters were, in essence,
"Reflectometers" designed to show reflected voltage versus transmitted
voltage.

When the load (antenna in this case) matched the feeder impedance, the
reflected voltage would be zero, an ideal that would be aimed for when
'tuning' the antenna for maximum performance by 'cutting' the length of
its element(s) or using an ATU interposed between the "Rig" and the
antenna.

BTW, the common CB parlance was to refer to this piece of measuring kit
as a "Swar-meter". :-)

Mr Pounder was bucket mouthing in 1980 and has not stopped since. I
blame Packard Bell ...

I wasn't aware of Packard Bell (End) being involved in the manufacture
of CB radio equipment in any shape or form. Perhaps you're referring to
the practice of being a "Potty Mouth", to use the American expression
(Bucket Mouth in the parlance of the UK CB fraternity) meaning the
tendency to lace one's communications with gratuitous swear words and
pejorative expressions (not unlike certain Australian trolls who frequent
other news groups).

As far as the pre-existing "Illegal CB Users" were concerned, here in
the UK, 'Bucket Mouthing' didn't become a problem until the very first of
the UK FM CB rigs went on sale just prior to the start of the legalised
FM CB service back in 1981/2 (I can't remember the exact date offhand). I
suppose you could describe the UK's version of CB, in hindsight, as "The
Facebook of CB radio". :-(

As per usual, the moment such valued facilities are extended to the
"Great Unwashed", it all turns to ****e. In the case of the internet,
most of the ****e was down to crass commercialism. inevitably the fate
for every new innovation in communication technology, the consequences of
which we all have to learn to live with as best we can.

--
Johnny B Good

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
Wrong, the vast majority of children ARE NOT British.
Lots of countries have higher brith rates than Britain.

Children born in another country are whatever nationality they are. If
born in the UK, they are British.

or scotish or welsh or english even irish. Do you have a problem with
that. If you're Bristish why do some want idependance ?

British is the nationality given in a passport. Not Scottish or English
etc.

--
*Pride is what we have. Vanity is what others have.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...children-born-
in-England-has-foreign-born-parent.html.

Damn that Winston Churchill and his ilk.

(Plus, of course, die kleine Faragelets)

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 11 May 2015 12:17:26 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, 9 May 2015 11:08:26 UTC+1, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Rod Speed used his keyboard to write :
His first name & surname were very common English names, so I
assume
English is his first language, although I might be wrong.

SWMBO works in social services and commented that they get many
similarly
poor communications.

Not saying my grasp of grammar & punctuation is 100% perfect.

Which prompts the question; just how bad is our education system?

You don't know that one was produced by the british education
system.

Or that it even bothered to show up in school much even if it was.

Likely it was a product of the British education system. At least most
everyone used to leave school with the basics, but the basics seem not
quite so important now, judging by some of that which I read.

But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london)

BULL****.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pils-time.html

Even someone as stupid as you should be able
to grasp that that is 50%, not 20% and it isn't
true of the whole of London anyway.

and that was nearly 4 years ago !

That hasn't changed much in that time, liar.

Just the moron I was waiting for to allow me to post it.
Note that they include Polish as being white because they
are. Even if a racist like you doesn't see them as white.

That was a joke, Joyce.

so not much point in speaking English few
understand and even less will be listening.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

I sit at the bus stop with kids and parents going past
every weekday I rarely hear English being spoken.

Isn't true of the whole of London.

I wasn't sting at *a* bus stop which covered the whole of London.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 11 May 2015 13:44:17 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london)

You been reading the UKIP leaflets again?

No, haven;t read a single leaflet from any party.

Because even if you mean non
white, it's rubbish. Those figures would be different for each school.

of course they are differnt for differnt schools.
You should check out a few of the local muslim schools see how many white
faces you see.


In any case, the vast majority of all school kids are British - having
been born here.

Wrong, the vast majority of children ARE NOT British.

Legally they are, stupid.

Lots of countries have higher brith rates than Britain.

Irrelevant to whether they are British legally or not.

But are your refering to the world or the universe .

Just Britain, stupid.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...rn-parent.html.

That's England, in London it's differnt again, and east London again.

Irrelevant to whether they are BRITISH or not.

if you're brave enough take a photo/video with audio
of a playground in an East London School. You'll find
that even those parents who's children born in London
are speaking the same langauge as their parents.

Not in school they don't.

Previously when they were in the miniroty foreign parents
use to encourage their children to speak English,

Because they were in the minority, stupid.

this is less nowerdays.

Because the foreign parents aren't the more educated
ones that they were say just after the war.

Most of my friends are NON english but they speak Englsh.

All of mine who weren't born in the country do, but their parents
usually don't with the non europeans. And that is nothing new,
my next door neighbour married one of them who showed up
here when she was 3. Her parents can't speak more than a couple
of words of english and they showed up here in the late 40s.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/databl...s-poverty-race

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
In any case, the vast majority of all school kids are British - having
been born here.

Wrong, the vast majority of children ARE NOT British.
Lots of countries have higher brith rates than Britain.

Children born in another country are whatever nationality they are.
If born in the UK, they are British.

Not necessarily. They don’t all get british citizenship automatically, most
obviously with the children born to illegals and visitors and tourists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British...United_Kingdom

On Sun, 10 May 2015 15:08:57 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Johnny B Good wrote:
You *do* realise, don't you, that using the phrase "tee hee" in usenet
postings endows upon you the persona of a "Beano" character prone to
nervous titterings?

Actually, for me at least, that phrase rather puts me in mind of Billy
Bradshaw, a character from an ongoing comedy saga aired by Radio
Merseyside in daily five minute episodes.

Billy Bunter here. Can still see Gerald Champion saying it. They'd never
get away with a middle aged man playing a boy on TV these days. ;-)

Coincidentally, that's how I refer to that radio show's host. :-)

I do like to derail crass commercialism in product names such as, for
example, that electric griddle named after a boxing champion which I
always refer to as "The George Formby" after hearing this mentioned by a
stand up comic offering up an anecdote about one of his aged female
relatives misnaming said domestic appliance.

If a name is to be immortalised, I'd rather it was for a more worthy
personage than the one chosen by the marketing division of a commercial
enterprise.

--
Johnny B Good

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
In any case, the vast majority of all school kids are British - having
been born here.

Wrong, the vast majority of children ARE NOT British.
Lots of countries have higher brith rates than Britain.

Children born in another country are whatever nationality they are.
If born in the UK, they are British.

Not necessarily. They don’t all get british citizenship automatically, most
obviously with the children born to illegals and visitors and tourists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British...United_Kingdom

Visitors and tourists don't generally send their children to school here.
Especially just after being born.


--
*Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder...

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
In any case, the vast majority of all school kids are British -
having
been born here.

Wrong, the vast majority of children ARE NOT British.
Lots of countries have higher brith rates than Britain.

Children born in another country are whatever nationality they are.
If born in the UK, they are British.

Not necessarily. They don't all get british citizenship automatically,
most
obviously with the children born to illegals and visitors and tourists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British...United_Kingdom

Visitors and tourists don't generally send their children to school here.

BULL****.

And quite a few non British kids get sent to school in Britain too.

On Monday, 11 May 2015 18:39:42 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
Wrong, the vast majority of children ARE NOT British.
Lots of countries have higher brith rates than Britain.

Children born in another country are whatever nationality they are. If
born in the UK, they are British.

or scotish or welsh or english even irish. Do you have a problem with
that. If you're Bristish why do some want idependance ?

British is the nationality given in a passport. Not Scottish or English
etc.

But not always how someone thinks of themselves.
The scotish and Welsh certainly don;t.
Are you saying you can't have a british passport if you're born in another country ?


--
*Pride is what we have. Vanity is what others have.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Monday, 11 May 2015 20:36:25 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 11 May 2015 12:17:26 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, 9 May 2015 11:08:26 UTC+1, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Rod Speed used his keyboard to write :
His first name & surname were very common English names, so I
assume
English is his first language, although I might be wrong.

SWMBO works in social services and commented that they get many
similarly
poor communications.

Not saying my grasp of grammar & punctuation is 100% perfect.

Which prompts the question; just how bad is our education system?

You don't know that one was produced by the british education
system.

Or that it even bothered to show up in school much even if it was.

Likely it was a product of the British education system. At least most
everyone used to leave school with the basics, but the basics seem not
quite so important now, judging by some of that which I read.

But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london)

BULL****.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pils-time.html

Even someone as stupid as you should be able
to grasp that that is 50%, not 20% and it isn't
true of the whole of London anyway.

I never said it was the whole of London.


and that was nearly 4 years ago !

That hasn't changed much in that time, liar.

It has. You wouldn;t have noticed the
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...N-8-years.html



Just the moron I was waiting for to allow me to post it.
Note that they include Polish as being white because they
are. Even if a racist like you doesn't see them as white.

That was a joke, Joyce.

No Jokes are meant to be funny, Shelia.



so not much point in speaking English few
understand and even less will be listening.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

I sit at the bus stop with kids and parents going past
every weekday I rarely hear English being spoken.

Isn't true of the whole of London.

I wasn't siting at *a* bus stop which covered the whole of London.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

What single bus stop in London to yuo think coveres the whole of London ?

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
British is the nationality given in a passport. Not Scottish or English
etc.

But not always how someone thinks of themselves.
The scotish and Welsh certainly don;t.

You're speaking for others again. Not a good idea.

Are you saying you can't have a british passport if you're born in
another country ?

No. I'm not saying that.

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On Monday, 11 May 2015 20:49:19 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Monday, 11 May 2015 13:44:17 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london)

You been reading the UKIP leaflets again?

No, haven;t read a single leaflet from any party.

Because even if you mean non
white, it's rubbish. Those figures would be different for each school.

of course they are differnt for differnt schools.
You should check out a few of the local muslim schools see how many white
faces you see.


In any case, the vast majority of all school kids are British - having
been born here.

Wrong, the vast majority of children ARE NOT British.

Legally they are, stupid.

No most children born in this world are NOT British.
That was the point.


Lots of countries have higher brith rates than Britain.

Irrelevant to whether they are British legally or not.

very relivent.
https://www.gov.uk/becoming-a-britis...-you-can-apply



But are your refering to the world or the universe .

Just Britain, stupid.

I'm not as people come from all overr the world to come here stupid.
They are NOT all Brituish citezens and are not all British.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...rn-parent.html.

That's England, in London it's differnt again, and east London again.

Irrelevant to whether they are BRITISH or not.

very relivent, moron.


http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1981revd.htm

According to the law - The British Nationality Act 1981

1) A person born in the United Kingdom after commencement, or in a qualifying territory on or after the appointed day, shall be a British citizen if at the time of the birth his father or mother is--

(a) a British citizen; or

(b) settled in the United Kingdom or that territory.

So polish couple coming to teh uk giving birth in the UK their sprog is NOT a British citizen at birth.


if you're brave enough take a photo/video with audio
of a playground in an East London School. You'll find
that even those parents who's children born in London
are speaking the same langauge as their parents.

Not in school they don't.

They do with their friends.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3Zvdmylis

The figures, to be published this week, have almost doubled during the past decade and are projected to increase to 23 per cent - 830,000 out of 3.5million - by 2018.

There are concerns that the increases will place school finances under strain as a growing number of youngsters require help with English.

There are too few kids speaking English in a lot of inner London schools.
Some of it is down to txt speak. When I was at school the in thing was jamaican patwa, it wasn;t even cockney even though it was a east London school.



Previously when they were in the miniroty foreign parents
use to encourage their children to speak English,

Because they were in the minority, stupid.

Exactly stupid, which isn;t the case now.

Revealed: The schools where English is a foreign language for 80% of pupils

Read mo http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3ZvfIRZTe

which means 20% of the class are English speaking, not a majiroty, is that really so complex for you.





this is less nowerdays.

Because the foreign parents aren't the more educated
ones that they were say just after the war.

So you're saying the foreign parents coming to the UK are thick and/or stupid is that it.


Most of my friends are NON english but they speak Englsh.

All of mine who weren't born in the country do,

they do what..... and what country were they born in.
You spell like an american, maybe you have other american characteristics
which is probbalry why my French flatmat found it so easy to get a jopb in Austraila teaching English in English. They were suprised and pleased that she could teach English rather than american English. She was a directress (they don't call them teachers or didn;t at the time) at a montessori school. They have them in many countries.

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
I never said it was the whole of London.

What you did say was :-

***************

From: whisky-dave
Subject: OT; Education
Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 11:55
Newsgroups: uk.d-i-y

But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london) so not much
point in speaking English few understand and even less will be listening.
I sit at the bus stop with kids and parents going past every weekday I
rarely hear English being spoken.

*****************

What language kids speak with their parents bears no relationship to the
language used in schools.

And I'm willing to bet you'll not find any mainstream school in London
where only 20% of the kids are British.

You'd have to go to a specialised school - for say for the likes of
children of diplomats or whatever to find that.

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On Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:13:30 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
British is the nationality given in a passport. Not Scottish or English
etc.

But not always how someone thinks of themselves.
The scotish and Welsh certainly don;t.

You're speaking for others again. Not a good idea.

It is for those I know. You really think all those that voted for
scottish independance think of themseleves a British or scottish
try asking them not yourself.

http://whatscotlandthinks.org/questi...-options#table

yuo get about ~50% saying more scottish than British and ~14% say more British than scotish.
I suggest you ask Nicola Sturgeon if you still don;t understand.

On Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:23:34 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
I never said it was the whole of London.

What you did say was :-

***************

From: whisky-dave
Subject: OT; Education
Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 11:55
Newsgroups: uk.d-i-y

But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london) so not much
point in speaking English few understand and even less will be listening.
I sit at the bus stop with kids and parents going past every weekday I
rarely hear English being spoken.

*****************

What language kids speak with their parents bears no relationship to the
language used in schools.

Yes it does. If the parents aren;t speaking English then why would the kids, when most about them aren't speaking English either. You speak the language of those around you. That is also how people develop accents.
If yuo're bright enough you would have noticed gangsta rapp jargon in schools being the in thing as with trousers half way down their legs. This is NOT typical english culture OR polish, it's american and it comes from LA prisons and the BLACK gettos. You'll also notice the words spoken aren't cockney or typical London. This is what happens when kids get together they no longer follow their parents ways and customs after around age 10-12 they develop theior own identity and that comes from teh peolpe they associate with..


And I'm willing to bet you'll not find any mainstream school in London
where only 20% of the kids are British.

Depends on what you mean by British doesn't it some think all children born in the UK are British by birth but they aren't.
There's two couples each side of where I live out of the 6 or so kids only 2
were with them when they arrived they aren;t british and neither are the offspring as yet.



You'd have to go to a specialised school - for say for the likes of
children of diplomats or whatever to find that.

rubbish.

On Tue, 12 May 2015 14:13:14 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

British is the nationality given in a passport. Not Scottish or
English etc.

But not always how someone thinks of themselves.
The scotish and Welsh certainly don;t.

You're speaking for others again. Not a good idea.

Plus, of course, it's possible to think of yourself as being both
Scottish and British, or Welsh and British. Or, say, a Yorkshireman and
British. Or a Londoner and British.

British is a national identity.
Scottish or Welsh or Yorkshireman or Londoner are regional identities.

Are you saying you can't have a british passport if you're born in
another country ?

No. I'm not saying that.

Who could ever deny the existence of Cliff Richard...?

On Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:51:36 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2015 14:13:14 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

British is the nationality given in a passport. Not Scottish or
English etc.

But not always how someone thinks of themselves.
The scotish and Welsh certainly don;t.

You're speaking for others again. Not a good idea.

Plus, of course, it's possible to think of yourself as being both
Scottish and British, or Welsh and British. Or, say, a Yorkshireman and
British. Or a Londoner and British.

http://whatscotlandthinks.org/questi...-options#table

I neiother wrote compiled or contributed to these stats they are what others say NOT me.



British is a national identity.
Scottish or Welsh or Yorkshireman or Londoner are regional identities.

Yep so what identity would a Polish child have who was born in London.
They might consider themselves cockneys but are they ?


Are you saying you can't have a british passport if you're born in
another country ?

No. I'm not saying that.

Who could ever deny the existence of Cliff Richard...?

Ask Harry Webb he'd know.

"Johnny B Good" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 May 2015 21:17:42 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 09/05/15 20:12, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I had a look at the 31 year ape boy and man beast girlfriend who still
live with his parents next door.
She had put a photo of her family there and it was like a photo from
the Munsters. She really should not have done it.

Are the parents normal?

I gave her messages a brief look at, but lost interest after:- dude,
g8,
tonite @ me plce, xxxxxx and loads more crap.

I had a student send me a job request like that once. I sent it back
with a request to speak English.

You must have been desperate for staff if you replied to him.

The other people I have looked at are just about the same.
The old CB Radios had more intelligent people using them.

I was going to say it was because a CB require some effort to put
together - but somehow some people manage to get a PC going long enough
to post broken english. I blame Apple...

Well, I just plugged mine in, used a SWR meter and it worked. I don't
remember what SWR means.

Standing Wave Ratio (Bridge) meter. It showed the ratio of transmitted
current or voltage to reflected current or voltage (actually voltage in
the case of a VSWR meter). Most VSWR meters were, in essence,
"Reflectometers" designed to show reflected voltage versus transmitted
voltage.

Ahhhhhh

When the load (antenna in this case) matched the feeder impedance, the
reflected voltage would be zero, an ideal that would be aimed for when
'tuning' the antenna for maximum performance by 'cutting' the length of
its element(s) or using an ATU interposed between the "Rig" and the
antenna.

BTW, the common CB parlance was to refer to this piece of measuring kit
as a "Swar-meter". :-)

Mr Pounder was bucket mouthing in 1980 and has not stopped since. I
blame Packard Bell ...

I wasn't aware of Packard Bell (End) being involved in the manufacture
of CB radio equipment in any shape or form. Perhaps you're referring to
the practice of being a "Potty Mouth", to use the American expression
(Bucket Mouth in the parlance of the UK CB fraternity) meaning the
tendency to lace one's communications with gratuitous swear words and
pejorative expressions (not unlike certain Australian trolls who frequent
other news groups).

My first Internet computer was a Packard Bell..............................
click?

As far as the pre-existing "Illegal CB Users" were concerned, here in
the UK, 'Bucket Mouthing' didn't become a problem until the very first of
the UK FM CB rigs went on sale just prior to the start of the legalised
FM CB service back in 1981/2 (I can't remember the exact date offhand). I
suppose you could describe the UK's version of CB, in hindsight, as "The
Facebook of CB radio". :-(

It was known as bucket mouthing in Tower Town.



As per usual, the moment such valued facilities are extended to the
"Great Unwashed", it all turns to ****e. In the case of the internet,
most of the ****e was down to crass commercialism. inevitably the fate
for every new innovation in communication technology, the consequences of
which we all have to learn to live with as best we can.

Aye

In article ,
Adrian wrote:
You're speaking for others again. Not a good idea.

Plus, of course, it's possible to think of yourself as being both
Scottish and British, or Welsh and British. Or, say, a Yorkshireman and
British. Or a Londoner and British.

British is a national identity.
Scottish or Welsh or Yorkshireman or Londoner are regional identities.

I was born in Scotland, but have lived in London all my working life. So
Consider myself a UK London Scot. ;-)

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In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
British is a national identity.
Scottish or Welsh or Yorkshireman or Londoner are regional identities.

Yep so what identity would a Polish child have who was born in London.
They might consider themselves cockneys but are they ?

If born within the sound of Bow Bells, yes. Regardless of parent's
origins, race, creed etc.

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In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Adrian wrote:
You're speaking for others again. Not a good idea.

Plus, of course, it's possible to think of yourself as being both
Scottish and British, or Welsh and British. Or, say, a Yorkshireman and
British. Or a Londoner and British.

British is a national identity.
Scottish or Welsh or Yorkshireman or Londoner are regional identities.

I was born in Scotland, but have lived in London all my working life. So
Consider myself a UK London Scot. ;-)

and you have a Rugby team to prove it.

--
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In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:51:36 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2015 14:13:14 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

British is the nationality given in a passport. Not Scottish or
English etc.

But not always how someone thinks of themselves. The scotish and
Welsh certainly don;t.

You're speaking for others again. Not a good idea.

Plus, of course, it's possible to think of yourself as being both
Scottish and British, or Welsh and British. Or, say, a Yorkshireman and
British. Or a Londoner and British.

http://whatscotlandthinks.org/questi...-options#table

I neiother wrote compiled or contributed to these stats they are what
others say NOT me.



British is a national identity. Scottish or Welsh or Yorkshireman or
Londoner are regional identities.

Yep so what identity would a Polish child have who was born in London.
They might consider themselves cockneys but are they ?

[Snip]

"I do not know." says the Great Bell of Bow.

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In message ,
whisky-dave writes
On Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:51:36 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
British is a national identity.
Scottish or Welsh or Yorkshireman or Londoner are regional identities.

Yep so what identity would a Polish child have who was born in London.
They might consider themselves cockneys but are they ?


Well, if they are born within the sound of Bow Bells I guess so :-)
Though I think it is as much of a cultural thing (as is much about
identity).

But in the end it's whatever they consider it to be.


Identity is different to nationality. In essence, nationality is legally
defined. Identity is really a personal thing, and can have multiple
facets (eg aspects of my identity might include being British, white,
English, Londoner).

So your 'Polish' child (by which I assume you mean he was born to 2
Polish parents, I don't know if that makes them able to claim Polish
nationality) might consider themselves to be British and/or Polish
and/or English and/or a Londoner (maybe a cockney) among other things
--
Chris French

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 11 May 2015 20:36:25 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 11 May 2015 12:17:26 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, 9 May 2015 11:08:26 UTC+1, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Rod Speed used his keyboard to write :
His first name & surname were very common English names, so I
assume English is his first language, although I might be wrong.

SWMBO works in social services and commented that they get many
similarly poor communications.

Not saying my grasp of grammar & punctuation is 100% perfect.

Which prompts the question; just how bad is our education
system?

You don't know that one was produced by the british education
system.

Or that it even bothered to show up in school much even if it
was.

Likely it was a product of the British education system. At least
most
everyone used to leave school with the basics, but the basics seem
not
quite so important now, judging by some of that which I read.

But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london)

BULL****.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pils-time.html

Even someone as stupid as you should be able
to grasp that that is 50%, not 20% and it isn't
true of the whole of London anyway.

I never said it was the whole of London.

Everyone can see what you said about London.

and that was nearly 4 years ago !

That hasn't changed much in that time, liar.

It has.

Bull**** on that lie about about what percentage
of kids in schools in London are british.

You wouldn;t have noticed the
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...N-8-years.html

And **** all of those would have kids in school in London.

Just the moron I was waiting for to allow me to post it.
Note that they include Polish as being white because they
are. Even if a racist like you doesn't see them as white.

That was a joke, Joyce.

No Jokes are meant to be funny

Your SoH bypass is your problem, ****wit.

so not much point in speaking English few
understand and even less will be listening.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

I sit at the bus stop with kids and parents going past
every weekday I rarely hear English being spoken.

Isn't true of the whole of London.

I wasn't siting at *a* bus stop which covered the whole of London.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

What single bus stop in London to yuo think coveres the whole of London ?

Even sillier than you usually manage.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
whisky-dave wrote

British is the nationality given in a passport.
Not Scottish or English etc.

But not always how someone thinks of themselves.
The scotish and Welsh certainly don;t.

You're speaking for others again.

Nope, just stating reality, for once.

Not a good idea.

Stating reality is.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 11 May 2015 20:49:19 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 11 May 2015 13:44:17 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:

But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london)

You been reading the UKIP leaflets again?

No, haven;t read a single leaflet from any party.

Because even if you mean non
white, it's rubbish. Those figures would be different for each school.

of course they are differnt for differnt schools.
You should check out a few of the local muslim schools see how many
white
faces you see.


In any case, the vast majority of all school kids are British - having
been born here.

Wrong, the vast majority of children ARE NOT British.

Legally they are, stupid.

No most children born in this world are NOT British.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

That was the point.

You're lying, again.

Lots of countries have higher brith rates than Britain.

Irrelevant to whether they are British legally or not.

very relivent.

Nope.

https://www.gov.uk/becoming-a-britis...-you-can-apply

Irrelevant to what was being discussed.

But are your refering to the world or the universe .

Just Britain, stupid.

I'm not as people come from all overr the world to come here stupid.
They are NOT all Brituish citezens and are not all British.

No one ever said those were, ****wit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...rn-parent.html.

That's England, in London it's differnt again, and east London again.

Irrelevant to whether they are BRITISH or not.

http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1981revd.htm

According to the law - The British Nationality Act 1981

1) A person born in the United Kingdom after commencement, or in a
qualifying territory on or after the appointed day, shall be a British
citizen if at the time of the birth his father or mother is--

(a) a British citizen; or

(b) settled in the United Kingdom or that territory.

So not all of the kids born in Britain are British citizens, stupid.

So polish couple coming to teh uk giving birth in
the UK their sprog is NOT a British citizen at birth.

What I said, ****wit.

if you're brave enough take a photo/video with audio
of a playground in an East London School. You'll find
that even those parents who's children born in London
are speaking the same langauge as their parents.

Not in school they don't.

They do with their friends.

Mostly they don't.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3Zvdmylis

Says NOTHING about what language they use IN SCHOOL.

The figures, to be published this week, have almost doubled
during the past decade and are projected to increase to 23
per cent - 830,000 out of 3.5million - by 2018.

Says NOTHING about what language they use IN SCHOOL.

There are concerns that the increases will place school finances under
strain as a growing number of youngsters require help with English.

Says NOTHING about what language they use IN SCHOOL.

There are too few kids speaking English in a lot of inner London schools.

Easy to claim.

Some of it is down to txt speak.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

When I was at school the in thing was jamaican patwa,

Your problem.

it wasn;t even cockney even though it was a east London school.

Your problem.

Previously when they were in the miniroty foreign parents
use to encourage their children to speak English,

Because they were in the minority, stupid.

Exactly stupid, which isn;t the case now.

They still speak english in school, stupid.

Revealed: The schools where English is a foreign language for 80% of
pupils

Says NOTHING about what language they use IN SCHOOL.

Read mo
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3ZvfIRZTe

Says NOTHING about what language they use IN SCHOOL.

which means 20% of the class are English speaking,

Like hell it does.

not a majiroty,

Doesn't say that either.

this is less nowerdays.

Because the foreign parents aren't the more educated
ones that they were say just after the war.

So you're saying the foreign parents coming to the UK are thick and/or
stupid is that it.

Nope, just that they aren't the professionals they often were after the war.

Most of my friends are NON english but they speak Englsh.

All of mine who weren't born in the country do,

they do what.....

Speak english, ****wit.

and what country were they born in.

All sorts of places, Turkey, China, Germany, Holland, Italy.

reams of your silly stuff flushed where it belongs