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On Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:23:34 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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whisky-dave wrote:
I never said it was the whole of London.

What you did say was :-

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From: whisky-dave
Subject: OT; Education
Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 11:55
Newsgroups: uk.d-i-y

But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london) so not much
point in speaking English few understand and even less will be listening.
I sit at the bus stop with kids and parents going past every weekday I
rarely hear English being spoken.

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What language kids speak with their parents bears no relationship to the
language used in schools.

Yes it does.

Like hell it does.

If the parents aren;t speaking English then why would the kids,

Because that is the language used in the school, stupid.

when most about them aren't speaking English either.

They are in school, stupid.

You speak the language of those around you.

And that is english in school, stupid.

That is also how people develop accents.

Only when below a particular age. That is why
Kissinger still has quite a noticeable accent
after all this time and his younger brother doesn't.

If yuo're bright enough you would have noticed
gangsta rapp jargon in schools being the in thing
as with trousers half way down their legs.

That isnt the language they are speaking, stupid.

This is NOT typical english culture OR polish,
it's american and it comes from LA prisons

Nope.

and the BLACK gettos. You'll also notice the
words spoken aren't cockney or typical London.

Still english, stupid.

This is what happens when kids get together
they no longer follow their parents ways and
customs after around age 10-12

The turks I know were doing that a 6-7

they develop theior own identity and that
comes from teh peolpe they associate with.

Which was other turks mostly, so there goes that theory.

And I'm willing to bet you'll not find any mainstream
school in London where only 20% of the kids are British.

Depends on what you mean by British doesn't it

Nope.

some think all children born in the UK are British by birth but they
aren't.
There's two couples each side of where I live out of the 6 or so kids only
2 were with them when they arrived they aren;t british and neither are
the offspring as yet.

You'd have to go to a specialised school - for say for the
likes of children of diplomats or whatever to find that.

rubbish.

Fact. Nothing even remotely like just 20% are British in any other schools.

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Rod Speed wrote:
British is the nationality given in a passport.
Not Scottish or English etc.

But not always how someone thinks of themselves.
The scotish and Welsh certainly don;t.

You're speaking for others again.

Nope, just stating reality, for once.

I expect you to think you speak for others. Hoped Dave had just made a
mistake.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

British is the nationality given in a passport.
Not Scottish or English etc.

But not always how someone thinks of themselves.
The scotish and Welsh certainly don;t.

You're speaking for others again.

Nope, just stating reality, for once.

I expect you to think you speak for others.

Your problem, as always. I don’t.

Hoped Dave had just made a mistake.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

On Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:59:49 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Adrian wrote:
You're speaking for others again. Not a good idea.

Plus, of course, it's possible to think of yourself as being both
Scottish and British, or Welsh and British. Or, say, a Yorkshireman and
British. Or a Londoner and British.

British is a national identity.
Scottish or Welsh or Yorkshireman or Londoner are regional identities.

I was born in Scotland, but have lived in London all my working life. So
Consider myself a UK London Scot. ;-)

So you're a foreginer coming and taking our lundun jobs !!!

On Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:03:38 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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whisky-dave wrote:
British is a national identity.
Scottish or Welsh or Yorkshireman or Londoner are regional identities.

Yep so what identity would a Polish child have who was born in London.
They might consider themselves cockneys but are they ?

If born within the sound of Bow Bells, yes. Regardless of parent's
origins, race, creed etc.

That's culture not law. It also depends on sound, nowerdays you have to be much closer to the source than you did in the past.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/...gallery/285219

On Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:19:03 UTC+1, Chris French wrote:
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whisky-dave writes
On Tuesday, 12 May 2015 14:51:36 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
British is a national identity.
Scottish or Welsh or Yorkshireman or Londoner are regional identities.

Yep so what identity would a Polish child have who was born in London.
They might consider themselves cockneys but are they ?


Well, if they are born within the sound of Bow Bells I guess so :-)
Though I think it is as much of a cultural thing (as is much about
identity).

But in the end it's whatever they consider it to be.

Really ?.
Cockeny is usally the term used to refernce people that speak in the cockney manour rather than where they were born.


Identity is different to nationality. In essence, nationality is legally
defined. Identity is really a personal thing, and can have multiple
facets (eg aspects of my identity might include being British, white,
English, Londoner).

yes I fully agree and in the past people changed their indentity as time went on. This happens less now or is at least less noticable.
The heart of conkney London is pretty much asian indian, bangladeshi.
Brick lane is almost the curry capital of London it's wasn't like that in
early 19th century.

So your 'Polish' child (by which I assume you mean he was born to 2
Polish parents, I don't know if that makes them able to claim Polish
nationality) might consider themselves to be British and/or Polish
and/or English and/or a Londoner (maybe a cockney) among other things
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They can consider themselves anything they like, but how other seem them might not be the same. Do most MUslims see ISS as the true Muslim way of life.
Did Jimmy Savile see himself as a pererted ****....
Did others see him as a nice gernerous person that should be idolised .....



I DO NOT think a child that doesn't speak English with a cockney/london accent can be considered a cockney in the true sense of the word.

I don't even know if I'm a cockney or not my forign friends (even the northern one) think I am although I rarely use cockney terms.
A south London friend uses such terms as 'up the gary' (mid 80s) as a term for homosexuals or rather to identify them. He thought it was cockney, I said it Wasn't. Up the gary is the slang he used "up the gary glitter = ****ter" ie. anal sex with another male means the person is gay, or perhaps has gay tendencies. Aple and pears is a cockney phrase, butchers hook is, my mum still uses the term 'butchers'.

On Saturday, 9 May 2015 19:52:02 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
I also knew a bloke who could to add up in a shop to save his life as he
was putting products in his basket (we were students with limited dosh).

I suspect you mean "couldn't".

He got a first in pure maths and the uni asked him to stay on for a PhD
- but he declined as he'd worked out being an actuary paid lots

There was the mathematician who worked on the atomic bomb and complained at
how low he had sunk: "Not only do I have to work on equations with
*numbers* in them; the numbers have digits after the decimal point!"

In other words, pure mathematics and simple arithmetic are almost completely
unrelated.

On Tuesday, 12 May 2015 20:18:58 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Monday, 11 May 2015 20:36:25 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Monday, 11 May 2015 12:17:26 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Saturday, 9 May 2015 11:08:26 UTC+1, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Rod Speed used his keyboard to write :
His first name & surname were very common English names, so I
assume English is his first language, although I might be wrong.

SWMBO works in social services and commented that they get many
similarly poor communications.

Not saying my grasp of grammar & punctuation is 100% perfect.

Which prompts the question; just how bad is our education
system?

You don't know that one was produced by the british education
system.

Or that it even bothered to show up in school much even if it
was.

Likely it was a product of the British education system. At least
most
everyone used to leave school with the basics, but the basics seem
not
quite so important now, judging by some of that which I read.

But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london)

BULL****.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pils-time.html

Even someone as stupid as you should be able
to grasp that that is 50%, not 20% and it isn't
true of the whole of London anyway.

I never said it was the whole of London.

Everyone can see what you said about London.

and that was nearly 4 years ago !

That hasn't changed much in that time, liar.

It has.

Bull**** on that lie about about what percentage
of kids in schools in London are british.

You wouldn;t have noticed the
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...N-8-years.html

And **** all of those would have kids in school in London.

The total number of children aged under 16 in the UK with Polish nationality and at least one parent/carer who is of Polish nationality is estimated to be 138490.

Source: ONS Annual Population Household Survey January to December 2011

nearly 4 years ago since then, my polish niegbours have has 2-3 kids since then.
So you also need to add on 4 years of immigration to that figure.

On Wednesday, 13 May 2015 12:53:00 UTC+1, Martin Bonner wrote:
On Saturday, 9 May 2015 19:52:02 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
I also knew a bloke who could to add up in a shop to save his life as he
was putting products in his basket (we were students with limited dosh).

I suspect you mean "couldn't".

He got a first in pure maths and the uni asked him to stay on for a PhD
- but he declined as he'd worked out being an actuary paid lots

There was the mathematician who worked on the atomic bomb and complained at
how low he had sunk: "Not only do I have to work on equations with
*numbers* in them; the numbers have digits after the decimal point!"

In other words, pure mathematics and simple arithmetic are almost completely
unrelated.

Yes, there's also those that failed maths but can work out betting odds faster than most. Those dars commentatoirs can work out noit just what was scoired but how they can complete a game by calculating doubles and trebles and akll in their head.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, 12 May 2015 20:18:58 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Monday, 11 May 2015 20:36:25 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Monday, 11 May 2015 12:17:26 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Saturday, 9 May 2015 11:08:26 UTC+1, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Rod Speed used his keyboard to write :
His first name & surname were very common English names, so I
assume English is his first language, although I might be
wrong.

SWMBO works in social services and commented that they get
many
similarly poor communications.

Not saying my grasp of grammar & punctuation is 100% perfect.

Which prompts the question; just how bad is our education
system?

You don't know that one was produced by the british education
system.

Or that it even bothered to show up in school much even if it
was.

Likely it was a product of the British education system. At
least
most
everyone used to leave school with the basics, but the basics
seem
not
quite so important now, judging by some of that which I read.

But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london)

BULL****.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pils-time.html

Even someone as stupid as you should be able
to grasp that that is 50%, not 20% and it isn't
true of the whole of London anyway.

I never said it was the whole of London.

Everyone can see what you said about London.

and that was nearly 4 years ago !

That hasn't changed much in that time, liar.

It has.

Bull**** on that lie about about what percentage
of kids in schools in London are british.

You wouldn;t have noticed the
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...N-8-years.html

And **** all of those would have kids in school in London.

The total number of children aged under 16 in the UK with Polish
nationality and at least one parent/carer who is of Polish nationality is
estimated to be 138490.

Source: ONS Annual Population Household Survey January to December 2011

nearly 4 years ago since then, my polish niegbours have has 2-3 kids since
then.
So you also need to add on 4 years of immigration to that figure.

Nope, because even someone as stupid as you should be able to
grasp that **** NONE of those will be in school, stupid.

On Wed, 13 May 2015 05:01:43 -0700, whisky-dave wrote:

On Wednesday, 13 May 2015 12:53:00 UTC+1, Martin Bonner wrote:
On Saturday, 9 May 2015 19:52:02 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
I also knew a bloke who could to add up in a shop to save his life as
he was putting products in his basket (we were students with limited
dosh).

I suspect you mean "couldn't".

He got a first in pure maths and the uni asked him to stay on for a
PhD - but he declined as he'd worked out being an actuary paid lots


There was the mathematician who worked on the atomic bomb and
complained at how low he had sunk: "Not only do I have to work on
equations with *numbers* in them; the numbers have digits after the
decimal point!"

In other words, pure mathematics and simple arithmetic are almost
completely unrelated.

Yes, there's also those that failed maths but can work out betting odds
faster than most. Those dars commentatoirs can work out noit just what
was scoired but how they can complete a game by calculating doubles and
trebles and akll in their head.

My mother left school at 14 and had minimal maths (if you can call it
that) tuition. She worked as a quite pressured cashier, and could work
out racing odds at lightning speed. Her mental arithmetic was very good
indeed.

I seem to have inherited that, and so does one of my sons. I am not good
at 'real' maths.

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
But not always how someone thinks of themselves.
The scotish and Welsh certainly don;t.

You're speaking for others again.

Nope, just stating reality, for once.

I expect you to think you speak for others.

Your problem, as always. I don’t.

The only way you could be sure of that if you asked every single Scot.
But hey - when did facts ever worry you?

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In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:59:49 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Adrian wrote:
You're speaking for others again. Not a good idea.

Plus, of course, it's possible to think of yourself as being both
Scottish and British, or Welsh and British. Or, say, a Yorkshireman
and British. Or a Londoner and British.

British is a national identity. Scottish or Welsh or Yorkshireman or
Londoner are regional identities.

I was born in Scotland, but have lived in London all my working life.
So Consider myself a UK London Scot. ;-)

So you're a foreginer coming and taking our lundun jobs !!!

Heh heh. Worked for the BBC which is funded by everyone with a licence.
Including the Scots. Pretty well all trainees started in London.

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On Wednesday, 13 May 2015 13:09:18 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, 12 May 2015 20:18:58 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Monday, 11 May 2015 20:36:25 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Monday, 11 May 2015 12:17:26 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Saturday, 9 May 2015 11:08:26 UTC+1, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Rod Speed used his keyboard to write :
His first name & surname were very common English names, so I
assume English is his first language, although I might be
wrong.

SWMBO works in social services and commented that they get
many
similarly poor communications.

Not saying my grasp of grammar & punctuation is 100% perfect.

Which prompts the question; just how bad is our education
system?

You don't know that one was produced by the british education
system.

Or that it even bothered to show up in school much even if it
was.

Likely it was a product of the British education system. At
least
most
everyone used to leave school with the basics, but the basics
seem
not
quite so important now, judging by some of that which I read.

But less than 20% of those in School are British (In london)

BULL****.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pils-time.html

Even someone as stupid as you should be able
to grasp that that is 50%, not 20% and it isn't
true of the whole of London anyway.

I never said it was the whole of London.

Everyone can see what you said about London.

and that was nearly 4 years ago !

That hasn't changed much in that time, liar.

It has.

Bull**** on that lie about about what percentage
of kids in schools in London are british.

You wouldn;t have noticed the
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...N-8-years.html

And **** all of those would have kids in school in London.

The total number of children aged under 16 in the UK with Polish
nationality and at least one parent/carer who is of Polish nationality is
estimated to be 138490.

Source: ONS Annual Population Household Survey January to December 2011

nearly 4 years ago since then, my polish niegbours have has 2-3 kids since
then.
So you also need to add on 4 years of immigration to that figure.

Nope, because even someone as stupid as you should be able to
grasp that **** NONE of those will be in school, stupid.

yes they are stupid because people coming from abroad to live here migth come on their own to start with but usually bring family later.
You don't come to the UK with your whole family without work, well you can but it's not a good idea. Where will you live ? in the flat with a tree branch growing throuhg it or are there plenty of housing oppotunities for people in the UK maybe they'll, build thre own likme you did. How will you get the kids in to school. How do they know where to find their local UKIP MP ?

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

But not always how someone thinks of themselves.
The scotish and Welsh certainly don;t.

You're speaking for others again.

Nope, just stating reality, for once.

I expect you to think you speak for others.

Your problem, as always. I don't.

The only way you could be sure of that if you asked every single Scot.

Wrong, as always. It was clearly a statement
about quite a few of them, not all of them.

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

But not always how someone thinks of themselves.
The scotish and Welsh certainly don;t.

You're speaking for others again.

Nope, just stating reality, for once.

I expect you to think you speak for others.

Your problem, as always. I don't.

The only way you could be sure of that if you asked every single Scot.

Wrong, as always. It was clearly a statement
about quite a few of them, not all of them.

And as such is totally meaningless. Like most of your posts.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

But not always how someone thinks of themselves.
The scotish and Welsh certainly don;t.

You're speaking for others again.

Nope, just stating reality, for once.

I expect you to think you speak for others.

Your problem, as always. I don't.

The only way you could be sure of that if you asked every single Scot.

Wrong, as always. It was clearly a statement
about quite a few of them, not all of them.

And as such is totally meaningless.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.