On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 16:18:10 +0100, TomSawer wrote:

Why are people still going on about Clarkson and the BBC.

What has this got to do with DIY topics?

You're right, and I'm partly responsible for prolonging the OT stuff.

In order to protect my own sanity in the next month or so, especially,
I've had a bit of a cull of this group, and Wodders has been joined in
the bozobin by a broadish swathe of the bigots and ****wits.

Apologies to everybody else.
hangs head

On 30/03/2015 16:34, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 16:18:10 +0100, TomSawer wrote:

Why are people still going on about Clarkson and the BBC.

What has this got to do with DIY topics?

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Nothing. It's a group with very catholic (with a small 'c') tastes and
interests. That's what makes it vibrant.


Not as catholic as the US site rec.metalworking, which had a lot of very
competent DIY posters; but I gave up when it became swamped with
political postings (mostly *very* right wing). Also an interesting
selection of gun nuts, I found them a bit easier to tolerate.

On 30/03/2015 22:44, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 30/03/2015 21:38, wrote:
On Monday, 30 March 2015 17:03:53 UTC+1, Capitol wrote:
Almost nothing. Most on here are too old/frail to do any diy nowadays,

Well really. I'll have you know I only just remember pre-decimal
currency, punched cards, and petrol going over £1 a gallon.


I remember London trams, the farthing and petrol at 2/6d a gallon, but
I'm not yet old or frail.


Don't suppose you actually bought any at that price though. It was about
4/8d when I started riding motorcycles.

I remember trams and the farthing too; you didn't mention the free dried
milk and concentrated orange juice for babies. I don't quite remember
food rationing though.

charles wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Tim Streater wrote:
charles wrote

In my case it was Edinburgh trams

Trams are a bad idea.

They are if they share streets with ordinary traffic.

they did that for a great many years

Yes.

without problems.

Nope.

Trams preceded cars on the roads, anyhow.

Irrelevant to what makes sense now.

In article ,
newshound wrote:
On 30/03/2015 22:44, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 30/03/2015 21:38, wrote:
On Monday, 30 March 2015 17:03:53 UTC+1, Capitol wrote:
Almost nothing. Most on here are too old/frail to do any diy nowadays,

Well really. I'll have you know I only just remember pre-decimal
currency, punched cards, and petrol going over £1 a gallon.


I remember London trams, the farthing and petrol at 2/6d a gallon, but
I'm not yet old or frail.


Don't suppose you actually bought any at that price though. It was about
4/8d when I started riding motorcycles.

4/10 when I got my first car.

I remember trams and the farthing too; you didn't mention the free dried
milk and concentrated orange juice for babies. I don't quite remember
food rationing though.

I do - or at least I remember when sweets came off the ration.

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charles wrote:
In , Nightjarcpb@
insert my surname here.me.uk wrote:
On 30/03/2015 21:38, wrote:
On Monday, 30 March 2015 17:03:53 UTC+1, Capitol wrote:
Almost nothing. Most on here are too old/frail to do any diy nowadays,

Well really. I'll have you know I only just remember pre-decimal
currency, punched cards, and petrol going over £1 a gallon.


I remember London trams, the farthing and petrol at 2/6d a gallon, but
I'm not yet old or frail.

In my case it was Edinburgh trams

That's this year! Put in by idiots.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:
In ,
Dave Plowman wrote:
In t,
Tim wrote:
In my case it was Edinburgh trams

Trams are a bad idea.

They are if they share streets with ordinary traffic.

they did that for a great many years without problems.

Really? I can remember them breaking down and blocking the road. Also
having rails in the road are a nightmare for cyclists.

Trams preceded cars on the roads, anyhow.

So did horses. Things move on.


Not when you have a Labour council, they brought them back!

Nightjar cpb@ wrote:

They also work well if run through pedestrianised areas, both keeping
them separate from other traffic and putting them close to where people
want them.

Pedestrianised areas are bad news for local town centre shops (and
locally for small shopping areas). A number of US towns have
depedestianised the town centre as no one would go there.

In article , Capitol
wrote:
charles wrote:
In ,
Nightjarcpb@ insert my surname here.me.uk wrote:
On 30/03/2015 21:38, wrote:
On Monday, 30 March 2015 17:03:53 UTC+1, Capitol wrote:
Almost nothing. Most on here are too old/frail to do any diy
nowadays,

Well really. I'll have you know I only just remember pre-decimal
currency, punched cards, and petrol going over £1 a gallon.


I remember London trams, the farthing and petrol at 2/6d a gallon, but
I'm not yet old or frail.

In my case it was Edinburgh trams

That's this year! Put in by idiots.

No, I was thinking of the previous generation ones - when there were about
30 routes

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charles wrote:
In articleSYudnWympe6EZofInZ2dnUVZ7oCdnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk, Capitol
wrote:
charles wrote:
In ,
Nightjarcpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote:
On 30/03/2015 21:38, wrote:
On Monday, 30 March 2015 17:03:53 UTC+1, Capitol wrote:
Almost nothing. Most on here are too old/frail to do any diy
nowadays,

Well really. I'll have you know I only just remember pre-decimal
currency, punched cards, and petrol going over £1 a gallon.


I remember London trams, the farthing and petrol at 2/6d a gallon, but
I'm not yet old or frail.

In my case it was Edinburgh trams

That's this year! Put in by idiots.

No, I was thinking of the previous generation ones - when there were about
30 routes


Admit it, you'd forgotten the new trams!

On 31/03/15 20:55, Tim Streater wrote:

Marbles cost a farthing each.

Cost?

A real man won his marbles off everyone else

On 31/03/2015 21:00, Capitol wrote:
Nightjar cpb@ wrote:

They also work well if run through pedestrianised areas, both keeping
them separate from other traffic and putting them close to where people
want them.

Pedestrianised areas are bad news for local town centre shops (and
locally for small shopping areas). A number of US towns have
depedestianised the town centre as no one would go there.

Which is why you need public transport bringing people into them.

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On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 23:16:53 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Tim Watts
wrote:

On 31/03/15 20:55, Tim Streater wrote:

Marbles cost a farthing each.

Cost?

A real man won his marbles off everyone else

Well you need at least one marble to play. How do you bootstrap that?

Find someone who's lost his marbles.



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In article , Capitol
wrote:
charles wrote:
In articleSYudnWympe6EZofInZ2dnUVZ7oCdnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk, Capitol
wrote:
charles wrote:
In ,
Nightjarcpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote:
On 30/03/2015 21:38, wrote:
On Monday, 30 March 2015 17:03:53 UTC+1, Capitol wrote:
Almost nothing. Most on here are too old/frail to do any diy
nowadays,

Well really. I'll have you know I only just remember pre-decimal
currency, punched cards, and petrol going over £1 a gallon.


I remember London trams, the farthing and petrol at 2/6d a gallon,
but I'm not yet old or frail.

In my case it was Edinburgh trams

That's this year! Put in by idiots.

No, I was thinking of the previous generation ones - when there were
about 30 routes


Admit it, you'd forgotten the new trams!

No I hadn't. In the context of remembering things in the past, the new ones
are irrelevant. I haven't been in one, but I've seen them running.

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On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 10:57:39 PM UTC+1, Nightjar wrote:
On 31/03/2015 21:00, Capitol wrote:
Nightjar cpb@ wrote:

They also work well if run through pedestrianised areas, both keeping
them separate from other traffic and putting them close to where people
want them.

Pedestrianised areas are bad news for local town centre shops (and
locally for small shopping areas). A number of US towns have
depedestianised the town centre as no one would go there.

Which is why you need public transport bringing people into them.

A whole lot of people arent into the time waste of public transport


NT

On 01/04/2015 08:11, wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 10:57:39 PM UTC+1, Nightjar wrote:
On 31/03/2015 21:00, Capitol wrote:
Nightjar cpb@ wrote:

They also work well if run through pedestrianised areas, both keeping
them separate from other traffic and putting them close to where people
want them.

Pedestrianised areas are bad news for local town centre shops (and
locally for small shopping areas). A number of US towns have
depedestianised the town centre as no one would go there.

Which is why you need public transport bringing people into them.

A whole lot of people arent into the time waste of public transport

If the area is pedestrianised, the only other option is walking. This is
the sort of area I had in mind:

http://goo.gl/maps/PujcD


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On 31/03/2015 20:24, charles wrote:
In article ,
newshound wrote:
On 30/03/2015 22:44, Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 30/03/2015 21:38, wrote:
On Monday, 30 March 2015 17:03:53 UTC+1, Capitol wrote:
Almost nothing. Most on here are too old/frail to do any diy nowadays,

Well really. I'll have you know I only just remember pre-decimal
currency, punched cards, and petrol going over £1 a gallon.


I remember London trams, the farthing and petrol at 2/6d a gallon, but
I'm not yet old or frail.


Don't suppose you actually bought any at that price though. It was about
4/8d when I started riding motorcycles.

4/10 when I got my first car.

I remember trams and the farthing too; you didn't mention the free dried
milk and concentrated orange juice for babies. I don't quite remember
food rationing though.

I do - or at least I remember when sweets came off the ration.


The Croydon tramlink has always been packed to the rafters when I've
used it, and not everybody gets off at the Ikea stop.
I remember trolley buses forever needing to be hooked back on the
overhead cables at Tooting Broadway. Each bus must have carried a rather
long pole

On Tuesday, 31 March 2015 15:37:18 UTC+1, Nightjar wrote:
On 31/03/2015 12:47, Tim Streater wrote:
...
Trams are expensive and more so if they need their own land (i.e. so as
not to be mixed with other traffic).

They also work well if run through pedestrianised areas, both keeping
them separate from other traffic and putting them close to where people
want them.

Like amsterdam ?


They also need to rely on the city
having been laid out with the possibility of trams in mind when it was
built, which is not the case for most of the UK.

Again, not a problem if the streets have been pedestrianised.

But hwo would somewhere like mcdonalds or any large supermarket get their deliveries ?


If you want to reduce
diesel bus pollution in towns, I'd have said trolley buses made more
sense. At least they can drive round an obstruction....

They can suffer the same problem of not being able to take a different
route if a road needs to be closed for some reason, although more modern
designs often have battery power or auxiliary motors to allow them to
work away from the wires.

So sort of like large things on wheels that that carry passengers and a bit of lugdge space, I might even have wheel chair and disabled access, but won't need wires for power or tracks to run on so they can go elsewhere if needed.
I think I'll go on Draganons Den to push the idea, they'll work on large batteries perhaps even hydrogen, and I'm going to call them buses but don't tell anyone I want to patent it first.




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On Tuesday, 31 March 2015 19:00:06 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 30/03/2015 16:34, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 16:18:10 +0100, TomSawer wrote:

Why are people still going on about Clarkson and the BBC.

What has this got to do with DIY topics?

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Nothing. It's a group with very catholic (with a small 'c') tastes and
interests. That's what makes it vibrant.


Not as catholic as the US site rec.metalworking, which had a lot of very
competent DIY posters; but I gave up when it became swamped with
political postings (mostly *very* right wing). Also an interesting
selection of gun nuts, I found them a bit easier to tolerate.

Are you so sure it's nothing to do with socail media such a facebook, twitter etc. ?

Nightjar cpb@ wrote:
On 31/03/2015 21:00, Capitol wrote:
Nightjar cpb@ wrote:

They also work well if run through pedestrianised areas, both keeping
them separate from other traffic and putting them close to where people
want them.

Pedestrianised areas are bad news for local town centre shops (and
locally for small shopping areas). A number of US towns have
depedestianised the town centre as no one would go there.

Which is why you need public transport bringing people into them.


I spent my childhood experiencing the cold wet joys of traveling on
filthy public transport. There's no way I'm going back to it. It's
another socialist dream.

On 01/04/2015 10:11, whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, 31 March 2015 15:37:18 UTC+1, Nightjar wrote:
On 31/03/2015 12:47, Tim Streater wrote:
...
Trams are expensive and more so if they need their own land (i.e. so as
not to be mixed with other traffic).

They also work well if run through pedestrianised areas, both keeping
them separate from other traffic and putting them close to where people
want them.

Like amsterdam ?

I don't know that city. My only visit to the Netherlands was by mistake,
when I missed my turn on a motorway. I was thinking of Strasbourg:

http://goo.gl/maps/PujcD

although that is only one of several places where they seem to work well.

They also need to rely on the city
having been laid out with the possibility of trams in mind when it was
built, which is not the case for most of the UK.

Again, not a problem if the streets have been pedestrianised.

But hwo would somewhere like mcdonalds or any large supermarket get their deliveries ?...

It is normal for delivery vehicles to be permitted into pedestrianised
areas, if there is no alternative. Sometime the permitted hours are
limited to early morning or overnight.



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On 01/04/2015 09:41, stuart noble wrote:
....
I remember trolley buses forever needing to be hooked back on the
overhead cables at Tooting Broadway.

Dewiring is a problem that has been virtually overcome by more modern
designs of overhead equipment.

Each bus must have carried a rather
long pole

Carried on brackets on the offside of the bus IIRC.

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In article ,
Capitol wrote:
I spent my childhood experiencing the cold wet joys of traveling on
filthy public transport. There's no way I'm going back to it. It's
another socialist dream.

Right. All those who work in, say, the City of London and so on who go to
work by PT are socialists?

Or being forced to do this by a socialist government or council? ;-)

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On 01/04/15 09:41, stuart noble wrote:
Each bus must have carried a rather
long pole

I believe the London ones did have a long pole.

The latvin trolley buses I've been on are much more elegant - each of
the two wires retracts into a spring loaded reel on the back of the bus
(think vacuum cleaner cord retract) but it is nit string enough to
overcome the upwards spring in the pickup pole - so it reels in and out
as the pole moves.

So the "konduktur" (I love it when Latvian, which is a pretty unique
language, nicks bits of english, like "dzam" [jam] and "dzentelmens")
grabs the insulated single core cable and pulls it down and to one side
or another to guide the pole then releases it back onto the main wire.

I am surprised the Londoners did not think of that - it was ratehr
obvious in hindsight and a lot less fiddling around. The "konduktur" can
get the poles back on the wire in less than a minute.

On 01/04/15 11:16, Tim Watts wrote:
On 01/04/15 09:41, stuart noble wrote:
Each bus must have carried a rather
long pole

I believe the London ones did have a long pole.

The latvin trolley buses I've been on are much more elegant - each of
the two wires retracts into a spring loaded reel on the back of the bus
(think vacuum cleaner cord retract) but it is nit string enough to
overcome the upwards spring in the pickup pole - so it reels in and out
as the pole moves.

So the "konduktur" (I love it when Latvian, which is a pretty unique
language, nicks bits of english, like "dzam" [jam] and "dzentelmens")
grabs the insulated single core cable and pulls it down and to one side
or another to guide the pole then releases it back onto the main wire.

I am surprised the Londoners did not think of that - it was ratehr
obvious in hindsight and a lot less fiddling around. The "konduktur" can
get the poles back on the wire in less than a minute.

And I apologise - that should have been "konduktor"

At least my spelling is crap uniformly.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:
I spent my childhood experiencing the cold wet joys of traveling on
filthy public transport. There's no way I'm going back to it. It's
another socialist dream.

Right. All those who work in, say, the City of London and so on who go to
work by PT are socialists?

Or being forced to do this by a socialist government or council? ;-)


Do you really think they do this by choice? It's because the road
system is inadequate and the locations have been overbuilt.

On 01/04/15 12:54, Huge wrote:
On 2015-03-30, Mike Barnes wrote:
Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 30/03/2015 21:38, wrote:
On Monday, 30 March 2015 17:03:53 UTC+1, Capitol wrote:
Almost nothing. Most on here are too old/frail to do any diy nowadays,

Well really. I'll have you know I only just remember pre-decimal currency, punched cards, and petrol going over £1 a gallon.


I remember London trams, the farthing and petrol at 2/6d a gallon, but
I'm not yet old or frail.

London trams? They exist today, don't they? :-)

I too am far from old or frail but I remember sugar and sweets being
rationed.

Rationing finally finished in 1954, so in order for you to remember that,
you have to be pushing 70. Take it from me, you're old.


BS. I am 64 and I remember rationing. Just




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In article ,
Capitol wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:
I spent my childhood experiencing the cold wet joys of traveling on
filthy public transport. There's no way I'm going back to it. It's
another socialist dream.

Right. All those who work in, say, the City of London and so on who go
to work by PT are socialists?

Or being forced to do this by a socialist government or council? ;-)


Do you really think they do this by choice? It's because the road
system is inadequate and the locations have been overbuilt.

Same as every other capital city in the world, then?

Interesting you blame socialists for a lack of town planning, though.

Canary Wharf has some 100,000 people working there. Care to speculate on
the size of a car park needed if there was no PT to it? How long it would
take to drive there?

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On 01/04/15 10:24, Capitol wrote:
I spent my childhood experiencing the cold wet joys of traveling on
filthy public transport. There's no way I'm going back to it. It's
another socialist dream.

+10001

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On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:00:21 +0100, Tim Lamb
wrote:



I remember London trams, the farthing and petrol at 2/6d a gallon, but
I'm not yet old or frail.

I'll raise you Trolley Buses!


My Mother when asked how old she was often replied "as old as my
tongue but not as old as my teeth."

My version has been on occasion "old enough to ridden the Trolley
buses ,not old enough to have seen the Trams.
Both ref London. Both modes survived a little longer in other
places.
I was taken on a Glasgow Tram before they closed 1962 in a proper
cityscape which the Blackpool line when it became the sole one in the
UK wasn't representative of. And has it turned out an older relation
of my missus was a Clippie on Bournemouth Trolleys in the 1960's and
has some interesting tales about the problems of the things especially
with regard to the poles coming off in awkward places , sometimes she
caused it by pulling the wire switches by a chain on a pole by a road
junction at the wrong moment because her or the driver had forgotten
what route they were taking.

G.Harman

wrote:

My version has been on occasion "old enough to ridden the Trolley
buses ,not old enough to have seen the Trams.
Both ref London. Both modes survived a little longer in other
places.

I never travelled on them, but saw trams in Leeds and Sheffield,
and trolleybuses in Bradford, Newcastle and Bournemouth.

I have since been to Crich.

Chris
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Plant amazing Acers.

Huge wrote:
On 2015-03-30, Mike Barnes wrote:
Nightjar "cpb"@ wrote:
On 30/03/2015 21:38, wrote:
On Monday, 30 March 2015 17:03:53 UTC+1, Capitol wrote:
Almost nothing. Most on here are too old/frail to do any diy nowadays,

Well really. I'll have you know I only just remember pre-decimal currency, punched cards, and petrol going over £1 a gallon.


I remember London trams, the farthing and petrol at 2/6d a gallon, but
I'm not yet old or frail.

London trams? They exist today, don't they? :-)

I too am far from old or frail but I remember sugar and sweets being
rationed.

Rationing finally finished in 1954, so in order for you to remember that,
you have to be pushing 70. Take it from me, you're old.

Yes, I'm pushing 70, but I won't even think about regarding myself as
old until my off-piste skiing abilities start to deteriorate. I don't
DIM as much as I used to but that's mainly because I've found better
ways of enjoying myself. :-)

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Cheshire, England

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/04/15 10:24, Capitol wrote:
I spent my childhood experiencing the cold wet joys of traveling on
filthy public transport. There's no way I'm going back to it. It's
another socialist dream.

+10001

Neither of you has flown Emirates First Class recently, then?

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article2p6dnb1PR_X6UIbInZ2dnUVZ8mCdnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk,
wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:
I spent my childhood experiencing the cold wet joys of traveling on
filthy public transport. There's no way I'm going back to it. It's
another socialist dream.

Right. All those who work in, say, the City of London and so on who go
to work by PT are socialists?

Or being forced to do this by a socialist government or council? ;-)


Do you really think they do this by choice? It's because the road
system is inadequate and the locations have been overbuilt.

Same as every other capital city in the world, then?

Interesting you blame socialists for a lack of town planning, though.

Canary Wharf has some 100,000 people working there. Care to speculate on
the size of a car park needed if there was no PT to it? How long it would
take to drive there?


From my house, 55mins in the morning rush hour. 22miles. Canary wharf
does actually have quite good car parking.

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 9:23:07 AM UTC+1, Nightjar wrote:
On 01/04/2015 08:11, wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 10:57:39 PM UTC+1, Nightjar wrote:
On 31/03/2015 21:00, Capitol wrote:
Nightjar cpb@ wrote:

They also work well if run through pedestrianised areas, both keeping
them separate from other traffic and putting them close to where people
want them.

Pedestrianised areas are bad news for local town centre shops (and
locally for small shopping areas). A number of US towns have
depedestianised the town centre as no one would go there.

Which is why you need public transport bringing people into them.

A whole lot of people arent into the time waste of public transport

If the area is pedestrianised, the only other option is walking.

there are a couple more options
1. don't pedestrianise
2. have available or rentable individual transport units of any of several sorts


This is
the sort of area I had in mind:

http://goo.gl/maps/PujcD

Unfortunately they seem to have photographed that at night, during a power cut & new moon.


NT

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 1:07:20 PM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/04/15 10:24, Capitol wrote:

I spent my childhood experiencing the cold wet joys of traveling on
filthy public transport. There's no way I'm going back to it. It's
another socialist dream.

+10001

+ another 1.

I'd be in favour of gokart lanes where there's enough road space, fenced off from cars/trucks. You can get about 8 karts in the space of 1 car, they're far cheaper to buy & run, take a fraction of the space & cost to buy, run, insure, park and so on. For short distances, barriered off from cars they'd work for a percentage of people.


NT

In article ,
Huge wrote:
I remember London trams, the farthing and petrol at 2/6d a gallon, but
I'm not yet old or frail.

London trams? They exist today, don't they? :-)

I too am far from old or frail but I remember sugar and sweets being
rationed.

Rationing finally finished in 1954, so in order for you to remember that,
you have to be pushing 70. Take it from me, you're old.

Even older if you remember petrol at 2/6 a gallon. Last time it was that
low was 1949. Went up by 11d in '50.

I do remember getting 5 gallons of commercial petrol - enough to fill an
Austin 7 - for a quid, though. 'Proper' petrol nearer 5 bob a gallon.

'Top brand' fags were 5 bob a packet then. Something like £9 now? So
petrol is actually cheaper, as it were.

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In article ,
Capitol wrote:
Canary Wharf has some 100,000 people working there. Care to speculate
on the size of a car park needed if there was no PT to it? How long it
would take to drive there?


From my house, 55mins in the morning rush hour. 22miles. Canary wharf
does actually have quite good car parking.

For 100,000 cars?

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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Huge
wrote:
I remember London trams, the farthing and petrol at 2/6d a gallon,
but I'm not yet old or frail.

London trams? They exist today, don't they? :-)

I too am far from old or frail but I remember sugar and sweets being
rationed.

Rationing finally finished in 1954, so in order for you to remember
that, you have to be pushing 70. Take it from me, you're old.

Even older if you remember petrol at 2/6 a gallon. Last time it was that
low was 1949. Went up by 11d in '50.

I do remember getting 5 gallons of commercial petrol - enough to fill an
Austin 7 - for a quid, though. 'Proper' petrol nearer 5 bob a gallon.

'Top brand' fags were 5 bob a packet then.

When I was at University (1960) the machine sold Capstan at 2/- for 10.
The price went up to 2/1d --- and it didn't matter which order you put the
coins it. A really up-to-date machine. So I think your 5/- a packet was
much later

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From KT24 in Surrey

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:16:30 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

On 01/04/15 09:41, stuart noble wrote:
Each bus must have carried a rather
long pole

I believe the London ones did have a long pole.

The latvin trolley buses I've been on are much more elegant - each of
the two wires retracts into a spring loaded reel on the back of the bus
(think vacuum cleaner cord retract) but it is nit string enough to
overcome the upwards spring in the pickup pole - so it reels in and out
as the pole moves.

Trolley retrievers . Hardly used in the UK though one system which
started to adopt modern practice started to use them,Walsall?

I'm guessing your Latvian examples are single deck where as UK ones
were mainly double deck. This meant the ropes from the spring loaded
reels could in some circumstances on a sharp bend become caught on the
rear "corners" of a double Decker , on a single they would clear it.
So the bamboo pole was the usual method. another contributor mentioned
the bamboo being hung on the side which was a sensible place to hang
it but many like London kept them underneath to be pulled out
rearwards. problem was as traffic got busier how many following
vehicles left a 20ft gap so the pole could be pulled out.
Chaos usually ensued until a gap could be made even in the 60's.
At places where dewirements were likely such as busy road junction
between routes a bamboo pole was usually kept hanging from one of the
kerbside poles that supported the wires.
Very occasionally the wires fell down .
Some may have seen this elsewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmuhKWtW5Yg

G.Harman