On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:47:41 +0000 (UTC), Adrian
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 19:58:57 +0000, ARW wrote:

I never thought I would get paid to do a H&S electrical report.

However can anyone else justify this as anything other than a fail?

Round peg/square hole apart, is it really any different to a plastic
"earth pin" on so much kit?

I've yet to see a Europlug with a fuse.



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On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:45:50 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The socket strip is *probably* fused, ...

Doesn't look as if it is. No space at the right hand. Left end
appears to have the cable entry but not obvious fuse holder. If it
isn't fused that is a fail.

Wouldn't have thought many would hardwire such a device into a ring? So
the plug will have a fuse.

I'm pretty sure anything over two sockets falls under the regs as
applied to fixed wiring spurs. ie. more than two sockets (two singles
or one dual) has to be fused. Certainly the only unfused cable
mounted sockets I've seen on sale in the shed etc have been singles
or doubles.

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On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 7:06:49 PM UTC, ARW wrote:
wrote in message
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On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 7:59:06 PM UTC, ARW wrote:
I never thought I would get paid to do a H&S electrical report.

However can anyone else justify this as anything other than a fail?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:PAT_test.jpg

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=File:PAT1.jpg

I'd fail it because of the plug. AIUI 2 pin round pin plugs are only
permitted for items one would expect to use in the bathroom, or if an
adaptor is fitted that can only be opened with a tool. Suggest putting in
the contract that you can automatically carry out any necessary minor
repairs for an additional £1 or £1.50, which covers plugs, fuses & similar.



And who is going to sign for the minor additional repair cost? The Vogons?
This is a multi million pound complex and they need to account for every
penny they spend no matter how much it costs them to the to account for that
spent penny.

if they'd rather have appliances failed by you than fixed on the spot for £1 when needed I'd say they're being a tad short sighted. But that's their call. Its your call to understand that and sell it to them.


NT

On 24/03/2015 20:39, ARW wrote:
"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 10:10:22 AM UTC, snot wrote:
On 23/03/2015 19:58, ARW wrote:
I never thought I would get paid to do a H&S electrical report.

However can anyone else justify this as anything other than a fail?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:PAT_test.jpg

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=File:PAT1.jpg



The real issue is the missing fuse.
Looks unprofessional and lays the manager wide open to all sorts of
complaints should a t-what play with it.

This ebay item number:
351230698108

Black Euro Converter Adaptor Convert EU 2 Pin Plug to UK 3 Pin Power
Connections

Solves the problem, is easy to fit (1) (2)

£1.27, a proper plug is half that


but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original plug.

********.

It's an awful lot easier to return with no questions asked if you just
use an adapter.

On 24/03/15 18:23, charles wrote:

but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original plug.


No you won't.

Where do people get these ideas?

On 24/03/2015 18:35, ARW wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
news
On 24/03/2015 02:34, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm writes:
On 23/03/2015 22:04, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , ARW
adamwadsworth@blueyond
er.co.uk escribió:

How do you get the 2 round pins into the two rectangular holes
without the
plastic earth pin?

You use a convenient 13A plug upside-down

Thus highlighting one of the ways in which those multi socket strips do
not actually meet BS1363 - which stipulates there must be sufficient
area around the holes to prevent a plug being inserted in that way,

I was not aware of such a requirement and I can't see any such
statement in BS1363-2 (sockets) or BS1363-3 (adaptors).

It was in one of the diagrams IIRC - I will have a look later see if I
can find it.

In fact I think I found the one I was thinking of, but its actually the
requirement for the minimum annulus around a pin on a plug rather than
area round the hole on a socket.

So I retract my comment - they do not fail to meet BS1363 for that
reason...


http://www.bs1363.org.uk/

the bit about loop holes.

Now would a normal socket on a PLASTIC SURFACE MOUNTED PATRESS:-) pass
the same test?

Normally because the 84mm high form factor of a standard face plate puts
the earth pin too near the centre for the plug to be able to "reach".


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On 24/03/2015 21:36, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/03/15 18:23, charles wrote:

but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original plug.


No you won't.

Where do people get these ideas?

Doesn't that rather depend on the wording of the warranty?

If I had altered a product and returned it under warranty, I might
expect some questions, or even a refusal.

A warranty is not the same as returning goods under the SOGA.

On 24/03/2015 18:23, charles wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 10:10:22 AM UTC, snot wrote:
On 23/03/2015 19:58, ARW wrote:
I never thought I would get paid to do a H&S electrical report.

However can anyone else justify this as anything other than a fail?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:PAT_test.jpg

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=File:PAT1.jpg



The real issue is the missing fuse.
Looks unprofessional and lays the manager wide open to all sorts of
complaints should a t-what play with it.

This ebay item number:
351230698108

Black Euro Converter Adaptor Convert EU 2 Pin Plug to UK 3 Pin Power
Connections

Solves the problem, is easy to fit (1) (2)

£1.27, a proper plug is half that


but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original plug.

why?

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In article ,
Fredxxx wrote:
On 24/03/2015 21:36, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/03/15 18:23, charles wrote:

but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original plug.


No you won't.

Where do people get these ideas?

Doesn't that rather depend on the wording of the warranty?

If I had altered a product and returned it under warranty, I might
expect some questions, or even a refusal.

A warranty is not the same as returning goods under the SOGA.

I'm sure teh SOGA doesn't permit a return if you've "modified" it.

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In article ,
george wrote:
On 24/03/2015 18:23, charles wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 10:10:22 AM UTC, snot wrote:
On 23/03/2015 19:58, ARW wrote:
I never thought I would get paid to do a H&S electrical report.

However can anyone else justify this as anything other than a fail?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:PAT_test.jpg

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=File:PAT1.jpg



The real issue is the missing fuse.
Looks unprofessional and lays the manager wide open to all sorts of
complaints should a t-what play with it.

This ebay item number:
351230698108

Black Euro Converter Adaptor Convert EU 2 Pin Plug to UK 3 Pin Power
Connections

Solves the problem, is easy to fit (1) (2)

£1.27, a proper plug is half that


but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original plug.

why?

because you've modified the product

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"Fredxxx" wrote in message
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On 24/03/2015 21:36, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/03/15 18:23, charles wrote:

but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original plug.


No you won't.

Where do people get these ideas?

Doesn't that rather depend on the wording of the warranty?

If I had altered a product and returned it under warranty, I might expect
some questions, or even a refusal.

Is the product a plug?



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On 24/03/2015 22:00, ARW wrote:
"Fredxxx" wrote in message
...
On 24/03/2015 21:36, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/03/15 18:23, charles wrote:

but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original plug.


No you won't.

Where do people get these ideas?

Doesn't that rather depend on the wording of the warranty?

If I had altered a product and returned it under warranty, I might
expect some questions, or even a refusal.

Is the product a plug?

On occasions yes, for most of the time it will form part of the product.

In message , charles
writes
In article ,
Fredxxx wrote:
On 24/03/2015 21:36, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/03/15 18:23, charles wrote:

but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original plug.


No you won't.

Where do people get these ideas?

Doesn't that rather depend on the wording of the warranty?

If I had altered a product and returned it under warranty, I might
expect some questions, or even a refusal.

A warranty is not the same as returning goods under the SOGA.

I'm sure teh SOGA doesn't permit a return if you've "modified" it.

Depends why you are returning it.


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"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 10:10:22 AM UTC, snot wrote:
On 23/03/2015 19:58, ARW wrote:
I never thought I would get paid to do a H&S electrical report.

However can anyone else justify this as anything other than a fail?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:PAT_test.jpg

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=File:PAT1.jpg



The real issue is the missing fuse.
Looks unprofessional and lays the manager wide open to all sorts of
complaints should a t-what play with it.

This ebay item number:
351230698108

Black Euro Converter Adaptor Convert EU 2 Pin Plug to UK 3 Pin Power
Connections

Solves the problem, is easy to fit (1) (2)

£1.27, a proper plug is half that


but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original plug.

Nope.

On 24/03/15 21:45, Fredxxx wrote:
On 24/03/2015 21:36, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/03/15 18:23, charles wrote:

but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original plug.


No you won't.

Where do people get these ideas?

Doesn't that rather depend on the wording of the warranty?

If I had altered a product and returned it under warranty, I might
expect some questions, or even a refusal.

A warranty is not the same as returning goods under the SOGA.

I'd expect cutting a plug off under DSR (as was called) to invite a
refusal to accept return.

Not a warranty.

On 24/03/15 21:59, charles wrote:

because you've modified the product


Barely.

And how does this differ to an appliance installed ina kitchen, supplied
with a plug but the location is equipped with an FCU flex outlet? You
don't have a lot of choice and if it went to court, I would expect some
common sense to prevail.

"Fredxxx" wrote in message
...
On 24/03/2015 21:36, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/03/15 18:23, charles wrote:

but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original plug.


No you won't.

Where do people get these ideas?

Doesn't that rather depend on the wording of the warranty?

Nope, its determined by the law, the wording of the warranty.

If I had altered a product and returned it under warranty, I might expect
some questions, or even a refusal.

Not with the mains plug.

A warranty is not the same as returning goods under the SOGA.

Still has relevant law that is applicable.

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
george wrote:
On 24/03/2015 18:23, charles wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 10:10:22 AM UTC, snot wrote:
On 23/03/2015 19:58, ARW wrote:
I never thought I would get paid to do a H&S electrical report.

However can anyone else justify this as anything other than a fail?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:PAT_test.jpg

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=File:PAT1.jpg



The real issue is the missing fuse.
Looks unprofessional and lays the manager wide open to all sorts of
complaints should a t-what play with it.

This ebay item number:
351230698108

Black Euro Converter Adaptor Convert EU 2 Pin Plug to UK 3 Pin Power
Connections

Solves the problem, is easy to fit (1) (2)

£1.27, a proper plug is half that


but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original plug.

why?

because you've modified the product

Legally you haven't as far as your legal rights to warranty are concerned.

In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 24/03/15 21:45, Fredxxx wrote:
On 24/03/2015 21:36, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/03/15 18:23, charles wrote:

but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original plug.


No you won't.

Where do people get these ideas?

Doesn't that rather depend on the wording of the warranty?

If I had altered a product and returned it under warranty, I might
expect some questions, or even a refusal.

A warranty is not the same as returning goods under the SOGA.

I'd expect cutting a plug off under DSR (as was called) to invite a
refusal to accept return.


Yes but DSR is just part of it, if you are returning a product because
it say has developed a fault then I wouldn't expect it to make a
difference (unless realted to the fault in some way)
--
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 21:36:17 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

On 24/03/15 18:23, charles wrote:

but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original plug.


No you won't.

Where do people get these ideas?

If the fitteed plug isn't suitable for a 13A outlet, surely it shouldn't be
supplied like that (unless it's a shaver).
That's why I used an adaptor, but I wouldn't have done straight into the
ring - it's in a fused strip.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

In article ,
Chris French wrote:
In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 24/03/15 21:45, Fredxxx wrote:
On 24/03/2015 21:36, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/03/15 18:23, charles wrote:

but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original plug.


No you won't.

Where do people get these ideas?

Doesn't that rather depend on the wording of the warranty?

If I had altered a product and returned it under warranty, I might
expect some questions, or even a refusal.

A warranty is not the same as returning goods under the SOGA.

I'd expect cutting a plug off under DSR (as was called) to invite a
refusal to accept return.


Yes but DSR is just part of it, if you are returning a product because
it say has developed a fault then I wouldn't expect it to make a
difference (unless realted to the fault in some way)

But if you'd removed a perfectly standard mains plug, who is to say you
hadn't put 1000v on the bare wires?

--
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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

Tim Watts wrote:

I'd expect cutting a plug off under DSR (as was called) to invite a
refusal to accept return.

Wouldn't it have been illegal to supply it within the UK without an
approved plug, or adapter?

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/1768/made

On 25/03/15 08:08, charles wrote:

But if you'd removed a perfectly standard mains plug, who is to say you
hadn't put 1000v on the bare wires?


Who is to say you didn't pour water in the vents?

On 25/03/15 08:36, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

I'd expect cutting a plug off under DSR (as was called) to invite a
refusal to accept return.

Wouldn't it have been illegal to supply it within the UK without an
approved plug, or adapter?

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/1768/made



Maybe, but I've had certain specialist stuff arrive with a shucko 2 pin
wallwart and a crappy adapter (too loose and wobbly)

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Chris French wrote:
In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 24/03/15 21:45, Fredxxx wrote:
On 24/03/2015 21:36, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/03/15 18:23, charles wrote:

but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original
plug.


No you won't.

Where do people get these ideas?

Doesn't that rather depend on the wording of the warranty?

If I had altered a product and returned it under warranty, I might
expect some questions, or even a refusal.

A warranty is not the same as returning goods under the SOGA.

I'd expect cutting a plug off under DSR (as was called) to invite a
refusal to accept return.


Yes but DSR is just part of it, if you are returning a product because
it say has developed a fault then I wouldn't expect it to make a
difference (unless realted to the fault in some way)

But if you'd removed a perfectly standard mains plug, who is to say you
hadn't put 1000v on the bare wires?

If they claim that, they have to show that that
happened, not just claim that it might have.

And even if the plug had not been changed,
it would still be possible to do that.

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

I'd expect cutting a plug off under DSR (as was called) to invite a
refusal to accept return.

Wouldn't it have been illegal to supply it within the UK without an
approved plug, or adapter?

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/1768/made

only in the retail market and, in any case, who is to say the goods weren't
bought abroad on-line.

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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 18:45:52 UTC, wrote:
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 17:04:34 UTC, whisky-dave wrote:
There is a little contention here as what happens if someone does get
killed and the equipment had passed it's PAT test, no one seems to be
sure what differnce a PAT test will make.

It means you have a defence and might escape prison.

Owain

Who is the 'you' in this instance.

On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 23:20:29 UTC, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/03/15 21:59, charles wrote:

because you've modified the product


Barely.

And how does this differ to an appliance installed ina kitchen, supplied
with a plug but the location is equipped with an FCU flex outlet? You
don't have a lot of choice and if it went to court, I would expect some
common sense to prevail.

Some people expect far too much ;-)

On 25/03/2015 08:48, Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/03/15 08:36, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:

I'd expect cutting a plug off under DSR (as was called) to invite a
refusal to accept return.

Wouldn't it have been illegal to supply it within the UK without an
approved plug, or adapter?

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/1768/made



Maybe, but I've had certain specialist stuff arrive with a shucko 2 pin
wallwart and a crappy adapter (too loose and wobbly)

I quite often get printers and monitors come through with UK and shuko
leads supplied these days.

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"charles" wrote in message
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In article ,
Chris French wrote:
In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 24/03/15 21:45, Fredxxx wrote:
On 24/03/2015 21:36, Tim Watts wrote:
On 24/03/15 18:23, charles wrote:

but you will invalidate any warranty if you cut off the original
plug.


No you won't.

Where do people get these ideas?

Doesn't that rather depend on the wording of the warranty?

If I had altered a product and returned it under warranty, I might
expect some questions, or even a refusal.

A warranty is not the same as returning goods under the SOGA.

I'd expect cutting a plug off under DSR (as was called) to invite a
refusal to accept return.


Yes but DSR is just part of it, if you are returning a product because
it say has developed a fault then I wouldn't expect it to make a
difference (unless realted to the fault in some way)

But if you'd removed a perfectly standard mains plug, who is to say you
hadn't put 1000v on the bare wires?

If they claim that, they have to show that that
happened, not just claim that it might have.

And even if the plug had not been changed,
it would still be possible to do that.


Indeed. And it would probably be safer and easier to put 1000V down the live
using the plug rather than the bare wires.

Of course I only use the 250V setting on the test case when I have a new
apprentice holding the cables at the other end
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On 25/03/15 18:45, ARW wrote:

Indeed. And it would probably be safer and easier to put 1000V down the
live using the plug rather than the bare wires.

Of course I only use the 250V setting on the test case when I have a new
apprentice holding the cables at the other end

Do you still charge a 100m drum upto 1000V to educate him about
capacitance?

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 25/03/15 18:45, ARW wrote:

Indeed. And it would probably be safer and easier to put 1000V down the
live using the plug rather than the bare wires.

Of course I only use the 250V setting on the test case when I have a new
apprentice holding the cables at the other end

Do you still charge a 100m drum upto 1000V to educate him about
capacitance?


Sod capacitance he still needs educating about walls. We were walking down a
hospital corridor today and there was a corridor off to the left. He walked
straight into the wall where the two corridors met. How the **** can you
manage do that?

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On 25/03/15 19:14, ARW wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 25/03/15 18:45, ARW wrote:

Indeed. And it would probably be safer and easier to put 1000V down the
live using the plug rather than the bare wires.

Of course I only use the 250V setting on the test case when I have a new
apprentice holding the cables at the other end

Do you still charge a 100m drum upto 1000V to educate him about
capacitance?


Sod capacitance he still needs educating about walls. We were walking
down a hospital corridor today and there was a corridor off to the left.
He walked straight into the wall where the two corridors met. How the
**** can you manage do that?


Ah - perhaps you could pop him in the MRI room and ask the bloke to see
if he's got a brain?

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 25/03/15 19:14, ARW wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 25/03/15 18:45, ARW wrote:

Indeed. And it would probably be safer and easier to put 1000V down the
live using the plug rather than the bare wires.

Of course I only use the 250V setting on the test case when I have a
new
apprentice holding the cables at the other end

Do you still charge a 100m drum upto 1000V to educate him about
capacitance?


Sod capacitance he still needs educating about walls. We were walking
down a hospital corridor today and there was a corridor off to the left.
He walked straight into the wall where the two corridors met. How the
**** can you manage do that?


Ah - perhaps you could pop him in the MRI room and ask the bloke to see if
he's got a brain?


Twas the mental wards we were working on.

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In message , Graham.
writes
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:44:26 +0000, Tim Watts
wrote:

On 23/03/15 19:58, ARW wrote:
I never thought I would get paid to do a H&S electrical report.

However can anyone else justify this as anything other than a fail?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:PAT_test.jpg

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=File:PAT1.jpg




Meh. In the 80's, Dixons idea of powering up their showroom tellys was
to shove the bare wires of about 3-4 sets into a single socket, with
maybe a couple of matchsticks.


We used "safeblocks" in the same situation.
basically three crock clips and a lid.

But plus a 'funny red thing' in the bottom right of the lid.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Images/P...ze_3/SR910.JPG



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Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , Graham.
writes

We used "safeblocks" in the same situation.
basically three crock clips and a lid.

But plus a 'funny red thing' in the bottom right of the lid.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Images/P...ze_3/SR910.JPG

Once upon a time, as I've probably mentioned before, one of the
less practical design engineers was working in the electronics
lab. On enquiring if there were any spare 13 A plugs for his
soldering iron, he was pointed towards the SafeBloc. Some time
later it was noticed that the SafeBloc was still on the bench,
but it no longer had its plug!

Chris
--
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Plant amazing Acers.

On 26/03/2015 07:39, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , Graham.
writes

We used "safeblocks" in the same situation.
basically three crock clips and a lid.

But plus a 'funny red thing' in the bottom right of the lid.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Images/P...ze_3/SR910.JPG

Once upon a time, as I've probably mentioned before, one of the
less practical design engineers was working in the electronics
lab. On enquiring if there were any spare 13 A plugs for his
soldering iron, he was pointed towards the SafeBloc. Some time
later it was noticed that the SafeBloc was still on the bench,
but it no longer had its plug!

Chris


If I had asked if there were any spare plug tops and had been pointed at
a piece of equipment I would have taken the plug off too, especially a
SafeBloc. Have they made the cord grip work properly in the last decade
or two?

Dennis@home wrote:

On 26/03/2015 07:39, Chris J Dixon wrote:

Once upon a time, as I've probably mentioned before, one of the
less practical design engineers was working in the electronics
lab. On enquiring if there were any spare 13 A plugs for his
soldering iron, he was pointed towards the SafeBloc. Some time
later it was noticed that the SafeBloc was still on the bench,
but it no longer had its plug!

If I had asked if there were any spare plug tops and had been pointed at
a piece of equipment I would have taken the plug off too, especially a
SafeBloc. Have they made the cord grip work properly in the last decade
or two?

I don't think I need to say more.

Chris
--
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Plant amazing Acers.

On 24/03/2015 17:31, wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 10:10:22 AM UTC, snot wrote:
On 23/03/2015 19:58, ARW wrote:
I never thought I would get paid to do a H&S electrical report.

However can anyone else justify this as anything other than a fail?

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...e:PAT_test.jpg

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=File:PAT1.jpg



The real issue is the missing fuse.
Looks unprofessional and lays the manager wide open to all sorts of
complaints should a t-what play with it.

This ebay item number:
351230698108

Black Euro Converter Adaptor Convert EU 2 Pin Plug to UK 3 Pin Power
Connections

Solves the problem, is easy to fit (1) (2)

£1.27, a proper plug is half that


NT

But and this is a big BUT - most H&S depts wont allow mains leads to be
modified by cutting a plug off and fitting another.
No mods here just clip it in and do up the anti-tamper screw --- if
you're allowed to use tools that is. Modifications to production
equipment is forbidden on pain of a disciplinary hearing at my current
place of "work".

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On Wednesday, 25 March 2015 19:14:43 UTC, ARW wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
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On 25/03/15 18:45, ARW wrote:

Indeed. And it would probably be safer and easier to put 1000V down the
live using the plug rather than the bare wires.

Of course I only use the 250V setting on the test case when I have a new
apprentice holding the cables at the other end

Do you still charge a 100m drum upto 1000V to educate him about
capacitance?


Sod capacitance he still needs educating about walls. We were walking down a
hospital corridor today and there was a corridor off to the left. He walked
straight into the wall where the two corridors met. How the **** can you
manage do that?

was he on the phone ?