On 20/02/2015 17:04, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:26:40 -0000, Brian Gaff
wrote:

What about the trimfones btalite gas filled tube behind the dial?
I can recall being rather appalled back in the 60s when we found my
grandfathers old alarm clock in a drawer, still glowing from dots of
something or other after 10 years. I doubt it would be adangerous
unless you
strapped it to yourself for a while though.


We binned it.
Brian

But if it were a watch....

Radium paint is predominantly an emitter of alpha rays, as these have
only a short range through matter due to their large mass and high
charge, they would be stopped by the glass and metal of the watch.

The tritium gas used in trimphones are beta emitters, but the energies
are quite low, so they're all absorbed by the phosphor coated glass tubes.

On 21/02/2015 20:03, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

You can also put attachments in here, it'll just **** off the geeks.



Most of the servers will just remove the attachments.


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On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:47:43 -0000, alan_m wrote:

On 21/02/2015 20:03, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

You can also put attachments in here, it'll just **** off the geeks.



Most of the servers will just remove the attachments.

Mine doesn't as it's also a binary server.

--
"Boy, will I give YOU a haircut!" said Tom barbarously.

On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:39:49 -0000, Jim Newman wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:04, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:26:40 -0000, Brian Gaff
wrote:

What about the trimfones btalite gas filled tube behind the dial?
I can recall being rather appalled back in the 60s when we found my
grandfathers old alarm clock in a drawer, still glowing from dots of
something or other after 10 years. I doubt it would be adangerous
unless you
strapped it to yourself for a while though.


We binned it.
Brian

But if it were a watch....

Radium paint is predominantly an emitter of alpha rays, as these have
only a short range through matter due to their large mass and high
charge, they would be stopped by the glass and metal of the watch.

The tritium gas used in trimphones are beta emitters, but the energies
are quite low, so they're all absorbed by the phosphor coated glass tubes.

My late grandparents had a trimphone. Never did them any harm.

--
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:32:44 -0000, Brian Gaff

wrote:

That page is probably the most processor intensive and slow one
I've
looked
at today.
I've always fancied an old fashioned Geiger counter, ie one
that
ticks.
Not
seen any though, maybe they are not allowed in case we all find
out
the
truth.

I can remember there used to be a Maplins kit to build a Geiger
counter,
the
type that ticks and shows a reading on a needle, but i noticed it
disappeared from their catalogue probably 10 or more years ago,

Probably illegal

Nope.

based on the stupid idea that it could be used as an aid to
building
a
nuclear bomb.

Nope.

It wouldn't surprise me. There are billions of laws nowadays.

Nope.

Are too!

Nope.

Please make more interesting replies.

You don't qualify.

And you can't repeat words you already used.

Wrong, as always.

I make the rules,

Nope, you dregs that didn't even have enough
initiative to leave that soggy little island don't
get to make any rules at all, ever.

You were sent away for being criminals.

you're from the colony.

That is doing a hell of a lot better than that soggy little island.

So did the US in spades.

Everybody hates the US. And they're so ****ing thick they need the extra resources from all that land to get anywhere at all.

--
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Just fill the entire house with foam and tunnel to the bits you need to get to, pack rat style.

In article , Tough Guy no. 1265
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:39:49 -0000, Jim Newman wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:04, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:26:40 -0000, Brian Gaff
wrote:

What about the trimfones btalite gas filled tube behind the dial? I
can recall being rather appalled back in the 60s when we found my
grandfathers old alarm clock in a drawer, still glowing from dots of
something or other after 10 years. I doubt it would be adangerous
unless you strapped it to yourself for a while though.


We binned it. Brian

But if it were a watch....

Radium paint is predominantly an emitter of alpha rays, as these have
only a short range through matter due to their large mass and high
charge, they would be stopped by the glass and metal of the watch.

The tritium gas used in trimphones are beta emitters, but the energies
are quite low, so they're all absorbed by the phosphor coated glass
tubes.

My late grandparents had a trimphone. Never did them any harm.

we had one, too. I'm not yet late.

--
From KT24 in Surrey

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On 22/02/2015 15:01, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:39:49 -0000, Jim Newman wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:04, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:26:40 -0000, Brian Gaff
wrote:

What about the trimfones btalite gas filled tube behind the dial?
I can recall being rather appalled back in the 60s when we found my
grandfathers old alarm clock in a drawer, still glowing from dots of
something or other after 10 years. I doubt it would be adangerous
unless you
strapped it to yourself for a while though.


We binned it.
Brian

But if it were a watch....

Radium paint is predominantly an emitter of alpha rays, as these have
only a short range through matter due to their large mass and high
charge, they would be stopped by the glass and metal of the watch.

The tritium gas used in trimphones are beta emitters, but the energies
are quite low, so they're all absorbed by the phosphor coated glass
tubes.

My late grandparents had a trimphone. Never did them any harm.

Yes, that's because the glass means it's not dangerous.

On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:04:32 -0000, Jim Newman wrote:

On 22/02/2015 15:01, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:39:49 -0000, Jim Newman wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:04, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:26:40 -0000, Brian Gaff
wrote:

What about the trimfones btalite gas filled tube behind the dial?
I can recall being rather appalled back in the 60s when we found my
grandfathers old alarm clock in a drawer, still glowing from dots of
something or other after 10 years. I doubt it would be adangerous
unless you
strapped it to yourself for a while though.


We binned it.
Brian

But if it were a watch....

Radium paint is predominantly an emitter of alpha rays, as these have
only a short range through matter due to their large mass and high
charge, they would be stopped by the glass and metal of the watch.

The tritium gas used in trimphones are beta emitters, but the energies
are quite low, so they're all absorbed by the phosphor coated glass
tubes.

My late grandparents had a trimphone. Never did them any harm.

Yes, that's because the glass means it's not dangerous.

Unless you drop it, then run :-)

--
Intercourse prevents divorce.

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here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:49, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:45:13 -0000, Nightjar insert my surname
here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:06, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
...Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes in
ashtrays.


That is one thing an ashtray in my house would not be used for.

Don't most non-smokers just not have ashtrays?

I suspect most people acquire the odd one or two and they are
remarkably
useful receptacles for oddments.

They aren't very nice to look at,

Handy for throwing at the cat tho, particularly the granite ones.

If the cat misbehaves, they have a handle at the back.

Much more viable to throw a granite ashtray at it.

Much more fun to swing a cat.

can't you find something else for that purpose?

Corse he can, but chooses not to.

Why would he choose to have something ugly as an ornament?

It isnt an ornament, its for throwing at the cat, stupid.

What's wrong with a brick?

Those are for ****ting, stupid.

We have clean water over here, we don't get so many intestinal problems.

But you have all those feelthy foreigners and their curry.

I eat only British food.

--
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:34:52 -0000, Rod Speed

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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:08:07 -0000, Rod Speed

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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:45:13 -0000, Nightjar insert my surname
here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:06, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
...Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes in
ashtrays.


That is one thing an ashtray in my house would not be used for.

Don't most non-smokers just not have ashtrays?

Plenty do, for visitors.

I use what we call stubbys for visitors ashtrays.

Well **** me,

No thanks, you deviate.

a non-smoker tolerating a smoker?

Yep, always have done.

According to the people in these newsgroups, non-smokers think
smokers
are
the devil reincarnated.

Nope, just fools.

Twas in uk.legal.

A likely story.

Go look.

Get stuffed.

Your loss.

Wrong, as always.

You'll never know what you're missing. Or don't they like you in uk.legal?

A discussion about banning smoking in public areas.

That was actually about smoking kippers in public areas, stupid.

Is that a euphemism?

Nope, a health hazard.

Whatever you're drinking I want some.

You don't qualify.

What qualifications are required?

--
I spent a couple of hours defrosting the fridge last night, or "foreplay" as she likes to call it.

In article , Tough Guy no. 1265
wrote:
On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:35:52 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:42:34 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:22:07 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:36:50 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:05:26 -0000, Nightjar insert my surname
here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:49, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:45:13 -0000, Nightjar insert my
surname here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:06, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
...Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes in
ashtrays.


That is one thing an ashtray in my house would not be used
for.

Don't most non-smokers just not have ashtrays?

I suspect most people acquire the odd one or two and they are
remarkably
useful receptacles for oddments.

They aren't very nice to look at,

Handy for throwing at the cat tho, particularly the granite ones.

If the cat misbehaves, they have a handle at the back.

Much more viable to throw a granite ashtray at it.

Much more fun to swing a cat.

can't you find something else for that purpose?

Corse he can, but chooses not to.

Why would he choose to have something ugly as an ornament?

It isnt an ornament, its for throwing at the cat, stupid.

What's wrong with a brick?

Those are for ****ting, stupid.

We have clean water over here, we don't get so many intestinal
problems.

But you have all those feelthy foreigners and their curry.

I eat only British food.

where do you find that?

--
From KT24 in Surrey

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 17:38:31 -0000, charles wrote:

In article , Tough Guy no. 1265
wrote:
On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:35:52 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:42:34 -0000, Rod Speed
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news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:22:07 -0000, Rod Speed
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news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:36:50 -0000, Rod Speed
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news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:05:26 -0000, Nightjar insert my surname
here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:49, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:45:13 -0000, Nightjar insert my
surname here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:06, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
...Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes in
ashtrays.


That is one thing an ashtray in my house would not be used
for.

Don't most non-smokers just not have ashtrays?

I suspect most people acquire the odd one or two and they are
remarkably
useful receptacles for oddments.

They aren't very nice to look at,

Handy for throwing at the cat tho, particularly the granite ones.

If the cat misbehaves, they have a handle at the back.

Much more viable to throw a granite ashtray at it.

Much more fun to swing a cat.

can't you find something else for that purpose?

Corse he can, but chooses not to.

Why would he choose to have something ugly as an ornament?

It isnt an ornament, its for throwing at the cat, stupid.

What's wrong with a brick?

Those are for ****ting, stupid.

We have clean water over here, we don't get so many intestinal
problems.

But you have all those feelthy foreigners and their curry.

I eat only British food.

where do you find that?

I admit it's quite rare. But up in Scotland most of the immigrunts are the other side of Hadrian's wall. Too cold for them up here or something.

--
19 Brits have died in the last 3 years believing that christmas decorations were chocolate.

On 22/02/2015 18:28, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:


I admit it's quite rare. But up in Scotland most of the immigrunts are
the other side of Hadrian's wall. Too cold for them up here or something.


All the scots are immigrants!
Even the bag pipes are.

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:47:43 -0000, alan_m wrote:

On 21/02/2015 20:03, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

You can also put attachments in here, it'll just **** off the geeks.



Most of the servers will just remove the attachments.

Mine doesn't as it's also a binary server.

Won't help you if his isn't.

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:39:49 -0000, Jim Newman wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:04, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:26:40 -0000, Brian Gaff
wrote:

What about the trimfones btalite gas filled tube behind the dial?
I can recall being rather appalled back in the 60s when we found my
grandfathers old alarm clock in a drawer, still glowing from dots of
something or other after 10 years. I doubt it would be adangerous
unless you
strapped it to yourself for a while though.


We binned it.
Brian

But if it were a watch....

Radium paint is predominantly an emitter of alpha rays, as these have
only a short range through matter due to their large mass and high
charge, they would be stopped by the glass and metal of the watch.

The tritium gas used in trimphones are beta emitters, but the energies
are quite low, so they're all absorbed by the phosphor coated glass
tubes.

My late grandparents had a trimphone. Never did them any harm.

Corse it did, that's what produced the genetic ****up that is you.

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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:32:44 -0000, Brian Gaff

wrote:

That page is probably the most processor intensive and slow
one
I've
looked
at today.
I've always fancied an old fashioned Geiger counter, ie one
that
ticks.
Not
seen any though, maybe they are not allowed in case we all
find
out
the
truth.

I can remember there used to be a Maplins kit to build a Geiger
counter,
the
type that ticks and shows a reading on a needle, but i noticed
it
disappeared from their catalogue probably 10 or more years ago,

Probably illegal

Nope.

based on the stupid idea that it could be used as an aid to
building
a
nuclear bomb.

Nope.

It wouldn't surprise me. There are billions of laws nowadays.

Nope.

Are too!

Nope.

Please make more interesting replies.

You don't qualify.

And you can't repeat words you already used.

Wrong, as always.

I make the rules,

Nope, you dregs that didn't even have enough
initiative to leave that soggy little island don't
get to make any rules at all, ever.

You were sent away for being criminals.

Wrong, as always.

you're from the colony.

That is doing a hell of a lot better than that soggy little island.

So did the US in spades.

Everybody hates the US.

Irrelevant to whether they get to make the rules.

And bail you lot out TWICE now when you stupidly
furiously rip each others throats out yet again.

And put in place what ensured that
you clowns stopped doing that.

And they're so ****ing thick they need the extra resources from all that
land to get anywhere at all.

Even sillier and even more pig ignorant than you usually troll.

On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:57:16 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



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On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:17:38 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 20/02/2015 14:41, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Kinda makes a mockery of the little slightly might be possibly dangerous
things that H&S goes for nowadays, I guess they're bored.

http://www.techienews.co.uk/9723830/...isplay-museum/


When I first worked in a nuclear research lab, people often took their
film badges home with them; I'm not even sure there were proper racks.
One guy came to the attention of Health Physics because he was
consistently showing higher doses than his co-workers. Turned out he
took his film badge home and placed it in a granite ash-tray overnight.

Did he know he was increasing it? I mean did he do it on purpose for a
laugh or to annoy them in some way, or was it just a convenient place to
put it?

Bet it was the latter.

Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes in ashtrays.

Plenty put stuff like keys in an ashtray, presumably
because they are less likely to fall off that way.

Can't afford a hook?

--
Stress is the conflict which occurs when your mind prevents your body from beating the living daylights out of whoever got in your way.

On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:57:16 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:17:38 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 20/02/2015 14:41, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Kinda makes a mockery of the little slightly might be possibly dangerous
things that H&S goes for nowadays, I guess they're bored.

http://www.techienews.co.uk/9723830/...isplay-museum/


When I first worked in a nuclear research lab, people often took their
film badges home with them; I'm not even sure there were proper racks.
One guy came to the attention of Health Physics because he was
consistently showing higher doses than his co-workers. Turned out he
took his film badge home and placed it in a granite ash-tray overnight.

Did he know he was increasing it? I mean did he do it on purpose for a
laugh or to annoy them in some way, or was it just a convenient place to
put it?

Bet it was the latter.

Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes in ashtrays.

Plenty put stuff like keys in an ashtray, presumably
because they are less likely to fall off that way.

Can't afford a hook?

--
Stress is the conflict which occurs when your mind prevents your body from beating the living daylights out of whoever got in your way.

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here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:49, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:45:13 -0000, Nightjar insert my surname
here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:06, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
...Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes in
ashtrays.


That is one thing an ashtray in my house would not be used for.

Don't most non-smokers just not have ashtrays?

I suspect most people acquire the odd one or two and they are
remarkably
useful receptacles for oddments.

They aren't very nice to look at,

Handy for throwing at the cat tho, particularly the granite ones.

If the cat misbehaves, they have a handle at the back.

Much more viable to throw a granite ashtray at it.

Much more fun to swing a cat.

can't you find something else for that purpose?

Corse he can, but chooses not to.

Why would he choose to have something ugly as an ornament?

It isnt an ornament, its for throwing at the cat, stupid.

What's wrong with a brick?

Those are for ****ting, stupid.

We have clean water over here, we don't get so many intestinal problems.

But you have all those feelthy foreigners and their curry.

I eat only British food.

Most of that is prepared by feelthy foreigners before you get it.

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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:45:13 -0000, Nightjar insert my surname
here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:06, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
...Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes in
ashtrays.


That is one thing an ashtray in my house would not be used for.

Don't most non-smokers just not have ashtrays?

Plenty do, for visitors.

I use what we call stubbys for visitors ashtrays.

Well **** me,

No thanks, you deviate.

a non-smoker tolerating a smoker?

Yep, always have done.

According to the people in these newsgroups, non-smokers think
smokers
are
the devil reincarnated.

Nope, just fools.

Twas in uk.legal.

A likely story.

Go look.

Get stuffed.

Your loss.

Wrong, as always.

You'll never know what you're missing.

Wrong, as always.

A discussion about banning smoking in public areas.

That was actually about smoking kippers in public areas, stupid.

Is that a euphemism?

Nope, a health hazard.

Whatever you're drinking I want some.

You don't qualify.

What qualifications are required?

Something other than dog **** between the ears.

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 17:38:31 -0000, charles
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In article , Tough Guy no. 1265
wrote:
On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:35:52 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:42:34 -0000, Rod Speed
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news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:05:26 -0000, Nightjar insert my surname
here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:49, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:45:13 -0000, Nightjar insert my
surname here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:06, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
...Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes
in
ashtrays.


That is one thing an ashtray in my house would not be used
for.

Don't most non-smokers just not have ashtrays?

I suspect most people acquire the odd one or two and they are
remarkably
useful receptacles for oddments.

They aren't very nice to look at,

Handy for throwing at the cat tho, particularly the granite
ones.

If the cat misbehaves, they have a handle at the back.

Much more viable to throw a granite ashtray at it.

Much more fun to swing a cat.

can't you find something else for that purpose?

Corse he can, but chooses not to.

Why would he choose to have something ugly as an ornament?

It isnt an ornament, its for throwing at the cat, stupid.

What's wrong with a brick?

Those are for ****ting, stupid.

We have clean water over here, we don't get so many intestinal
problems.

But you have all those feelthy foreigners and their curry.

I eat only British food.

where do you find that?

I admit it's quite rare.

And who wants to 'live' on haggis ?

But up in Scotland most of the immigrunts are the other side of Hadrian's
wall.

And any Scot with even half a clue left long ago.

Too cold for them up here or something.

Or something, actually.

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:17:38 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 20/02/2015 14:41, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Kinda makes a mockery of the little slightly might be possibly
dangerous
things that H&S goes for nowadays, I guess they're bored.

http://www.techienews.co.uk/9723830/...isplay-museum/


When I first worked in a nuclear research lab, people often took their
film badges home with them; I'm not even sure there were proper racks.
One guy came to the attention of Health Physics because he was
consistently showing higher doses than his co-workers. Turned out he
took his film badge home and placed it in a granite ash-tray overnight.

Did he know he was increasing it? I mean did he do it on purpose for a
laugh or to annoy them in some way, or was it just a convenient place to
put it?

Bet it was the latter.

Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes in ashtrays.

Plenty put stuff like keys in an ashtray, presumably
because they are less likely to fall off that way.

Can't afford a hook?

Hooks cost less than ashtrays, stupid.

On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 19:19:31 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:57:16 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:17:38 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 20/02/2015 14:41, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Kinda makes a mockery of the little slightly might be possibly
dangerous
things that H&S goes for nowadays, I guess they're bored.

http://www.techienews.co.uk/9723830/...isplay-museum/


When I first worked in a nuclear research lab, people often took their
film badges home with them; I'm not even sure there were proper racks.
One guy came to the attention of Health Physics because he was
consistently showing higher doses than his co-workers. Turned out he
took his film badge home and placed it in a granite ash-tray overnight.

Did he know he was increasing it? I mean did he do it on purpose for a
laugh or to annoy them in some way, or was it just a convenient place to
put it?

Bet it was the latter.

Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes in ashtrays.

Plenty put stuff like keys in an ashtray, presumably
because they are less likely to fall off that way.

Can't afford a hook?

Hooks cost less than ashtrays, stupid.

And are more useful for holding keys.

--
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/kakistocracy

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On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:57:16 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:17:38 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 20/02/2015 14:41, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Kinda makes a mockery of the little slightly might be possibly
dangerous
things that H&S goes for nowadays, I guess they're bored.

http://www.techienews.co.uk/9723830/...isplay-museum/


When I first worked in a nuclear research lab, people often took their
film badges home with them; I'm not even sure there were proper racks.
One guy came to the attention of Health Physics because he was
consistently showing higher doses than his co-workers. Turned out he
took his film badge home and placed it in a granite ash-tray overnight.

Did he know he was increasing it? I mean did he do it on purpose for a
laugh or to annoy them in some way, or was it just a convenient place to
put it?

Bet it was the latter.

Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes in ashtrays.

Plenty put stuff like keys in an ashtray, presumably
because they are less likely to fall off that way.

Can't afford a hook?

Hooks cost less than ashtrays, stupid.

Not if you nick the ashtray from the pub.

--
"Th on my k yboard has stopp d working"

On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 19:12:17 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 17:38:31 -0000, charles
wrote:

In article , Tough Guy no. 1265
wrote:
On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:35:52 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:42:34 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:22:07 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:36:50 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:05:26 -0000, Nightjar insert my surname
here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:49, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:45:13 -0000, Nightjar insert my
surname here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:06, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
...Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes
in
ashtrays.


That is one thing an ashtray in my house would not be used
for.

Don't most non-smokers just not have ashtrays?

I suspect most people acquire the odd one or two and they are
remarkably
useful receptacles for oddments.

They aren't very nice to look at,

Handy for throwing at the cat tho, particularly the granite
ones.

If the cat misbehaves, they have a handle at the back.

Much more viable to throw a granite ashtray at it.

Much more fun to swing a cat.

can't you find something else for that purpose?

Corse he can, but chooses not to.

Why would he choose to have something ugly as an ornament?

It isnt an ornament, its for throwing at the cat, stupid.

What's wrong with a brick?

Those are for ****ting, stupid.

We have clean water over here, we don't get so many intestinal
problems.

But you have all those feelthy foreigners and their curry.

I eat only British food.

where do you find that?

I admit it's quite rare.

And who wants to 'live' on haggis ?

That's Scots not Brit.

But up in Scotland most of the immigrunts are the other side of Hadrian's
wall.

And any Scot with even half a clue left long ago.

Nope.

Too cold for them up here or something.

Or something, actually.

What is that something if you think you know better?

--
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Please dial 1 to report an issue, 2 to report a challenge, 3 to report a problem, or 4 to report a cockup.

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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:43:28 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:24:43 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:34:52 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:08:07 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:45:13 -0000, Nightjar insert my surname
here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:06, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
...Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes in
ashtrays.


That is one thing an ashtray in my house would not be used for.

Don't most non-smokers just not have ashtrays?

Plenty do, for visitors.

I use what we call stubbys for visitors ashtrays.

Well **** me,

No thanks, you deviate.

a non-smoker tolerating a smoker?

Yep, always have done.

According to the people in these newsgroups, non-smokers think
smokers
are
the devil reincarnated.

Nope, just fools.

Twas in uk.legal.

A likely story.

Go look.

Get stuffed.

Your loss.

Wrong, as always.

You'll never know what you're missing.

Wrong, as always.

What proof do you have of this?

A discussion about banning smoking in public areas.

That was actually about smoking kippers in public areas, stupid.

Is that a euphemism?

Nope, a health hazard.

Whatever you're drinking I want some.

You don't qualify.

What qualifications are required?

Something other than dog **** between the ears.

Resorting to childish remarks noted. Ergo PKB enacted.

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On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 18:44:12 -0000, Dennis@home wrote:

On 22/02/2015 18:28, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:


I admit it's quite rare. But up in Scotland most of the immigrunts are
the other side of Hadrian's wall. Too cold for them up here or something.


All the scots are immigrants!
Even the bag pipes are.

Pedant!

--
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:42:34 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:22:07 -0000, Rod Speed

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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:36:50 -0000, Rod Speed

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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:05:26 -0000, Nightjar insert my surname
here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:49, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:45:13 -0000, Nightjar insert my surname
here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:06, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
...Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes in
ashtrays.


That is one thing an ashtray in my house would not be used for.

Don't most non-smokers just not have ashtrays?

I suspect most people acquire the odd one or two and they are
remarkably
useful receptacles for oddments.

They aren't very nice to look at,

Handy for throwing at the cat tho, particularly the granite ones.

If the cat misbehaves, they have a handle at the back.

Much more viable to throw a granite ashtray at it.

Much more fun to swing a cat.

can't you find something else for that purpose?

Corse he can, but chooses not to.

Why would he choose to have something ugly as an ornament?

It isnt an ornament, its for throwing at the cat, stupid.

What's wrong with a brick?

Those are for ****ting, stupid.

We have clean water over here, we don't get so many intestinal problems.

But you have all those feelthy foreigners and their curry.

I eat only British food.

Most of that is prepared by feelthy foreigners before you get it.

The only answer is an atomic bomb.

--
You keep believing, I'll keep evolving

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On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 02:33:17 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 00:13:18 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 22:23:59 -0000, Rod Speed

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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 21:20:40 -0000, Rod Speed

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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:05:05 -0000, Rod Speed

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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 15:35:44 -0000, Gazz wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:32:44 -0000, Brian Gaff

wrote:

That page is probably the most processor intensive and slow
one
I've
looked
at today.
I've always fancied an old fashioned Geiger counter, ie one
that
ticks.
Not
seen any though, maybe they are not allowed in case we all
find
out
the
truth.

I can remember there used to be a Maplins kit to build a Geiger
counter,
the
type that ticks and shows a reading on a needle, but i noticed
it
disappeared from their catalogue probably 10 or more years ago,

Probably illegal

Nope.

based on the stupid idea that it could be used as an aid to
building
a
nuclear bomb.

Nope.

It wouldn't surprise me. There are billions of laws nowadays.

Nope.

Are too!

Nope.

Please make more interesting replies.

You don't qualify.

And you can't repeat words you already used.

Wrong, as always.

I make the rules,

Nope, you dregs that didn't even have enough
initiative to leave that soggy little island don't
get to make any rules at all, ever.

You were sent away for being criminals.

Wrong, as always.

Look it up in the history books. Aus is the UK prison.

you're from the colony.

That is doing a hell of a lot better than that soggy little island.

So did the US in spades.

Everybody hates the US.

Irrelevant to whether they get to make the rules.

And bail you lot out TWICE now when you stupidly
furiously rip each others throats out yet again.

Never happened.

And put in place what ensured that
you clowns stopped doing that.

And they're so ****ing thick they need the extra resources from all that
land to get anywhere at all.

Even sillier and even more pig ignorant than you usually troll.

State why it's wrong then.

--
You keep believing, I'll keep evolving

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 19:12:17 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 17:38:31 -0000, charles
wrote:

In article , Tough Guy no. 1265

wrote:
On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:35:52 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:42:34 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:22:07 -0000, Rod Speed
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news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:36:50 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:05:26 -0000, Nightjar insert my
surname
here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:49, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:45:13 -0000, Nightjar insert my
surname here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:06, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
...Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes
in
ashtrays.


That is one thing an ashtray in my house would not be used
for.

Don't most non-smokers just not have ashtrays?

I suspect most people acquire the odd one or two and they
are
remarkably
useful receptacles for oddments.

They aren't very nice to look at,

Handy for throwing at the cat tho, particularly the granite
ones.

If the cat misbehaves, they have a handle at the back.

Much more viable to throw a granite ashtray at it.

Much more fun to swing a cat.

can't you find something else for that purpose?

Corse he can, but chooses not to.

Why would he choose to have something ugly as an ornament?

It isnt an ornament, its for throwing at the cat, stupid.

What's wrong with a brick?

Those are for ****ting, stupid.

We have clean water over here, we don't get so many intestinal
problems.

But you have all those feelthy foreigners and their curry.

I eat only British food.

where do you find that?

I admit it's quite rare.

And who wants to 'live' on haggis ?

That's Scots not Brit.

Its about the only non wog food available now.

But up in Scotland most of the immigrunts are the other side of
Hadrian's
wall.

And any Scot with even half a clue left long ago.

Nope.

Yep, the only ones who didn't are the dregs like you.

Too cold for them up here or something.

Or something, actually.

What is that something if you think you know better?

I know I know better, stupid.

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 19:04:36 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:35:52 -0000, Rod Speed
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:42:34 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:22:07 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:36:50 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:05:26 -0000, Nightjar insert my surname
here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:49, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:45:13 -0000, Nightjar insert my
surname
here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:06, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
...Most people don't place anything other than cigarettes in
ashtrays.


That is one thing an ashtray in my house would not be used
for.

Don't most non-smokers just not have ashtrays?

I suspect most people acquire the odd one or two and they are
remarkably
useful receptacles for oddments.

They aren't very nice to look at,

Handy for throwing at the cat tho, particularly the granite ones.

If the cat misbehaves, they have a handle at the back.

Much more viable to throw a granite ashtray at it.

Much more fun to swing a cat.

can't you find something else for that purpose?

Corse he can, but chooses not to.

Why would he choose to have something ugly as an ornament?

It isnt an ornament, its for throwing at the cat, stupid.

What's wrong with a brick?

Those are for ****ting, stupid.

We have clean water over here, we don't get so many intestinal
problems.

But you have all those feelthy foreigners and their curry.

I eat only British food.

Most of that is prepared by feelthy foreigners before you get it.

The only answer is an atomic bomb.

Didn't work with Japan.

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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news On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 22:23:59 -0000, Rod Speed

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news On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 21:20:40 -0000, Rod Speed

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news On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:05:05 -0000, Rod Speed

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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 15:35:44 -0000, Gazz wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:32:44 -0000, Brian Gaff

wrote:

That page is probably the most processor intensive and slow
one
I've
looked
at today.
I've always fancied an old fashioned Geiger counter, ie one
that
ticks.
Not
seen any though, maybe they are not allowed in case we all
find
out
the
truth.

I can remember there used to be a Maplins kit to build a
Geiger
counter,
the
type that ticks and shows a reading on a needle, but i
noticed
it
disappeared from their catalogue probably 10 or more years
ago,

Probably illegal

Nope.

based on the stupid idea that it could be used as an aid to
building
a
nuclear bomb.

Nope.

It wouldn't surprise me. There are billions of laws nowadays.

Nope.

Are too!

Nope.

Please make more interesting replies.

You don't qualify.

And you can't repeat words you already used.

Wrong, as always.

I make the rules,

Nope, you dregs that didn't even have enough
initiative to leave that soggy little island don't
get to make any rules at all, ever.

You were sent away for being criminals.

Wrong, as always.

Look it up in the history books.

Don't need to, **** all were you criminals.

you're from the colony.

That is doing a hell of a lot better than that soggy little island.

So did the US in spades.

Everybody hates the US.

Irrelevant to whether they get to make the rules.

And bail you lot out TWICE now when you stupidly
furiously rip each others throats out yet again.

Never happened.

Wrong, as always, happened twice in face.

And put in place what ensured that
you clowns stopped doing that.

And they're so ****ing thick they need the extra resources from all that
land to get anywhere at all.

Even sillier and even more pig ignorant than you usually troll.

State why it's wrong then.

Its wrong because you said it, as always.

On 20/02/2015 14:41, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

Kinda makes a mockery of the little slightly might be possibly dangerous
things that H&S goes for nowadays, I guess they're bored.

http://www.techienews.co.uk/9723830/...isplay-museum/

You wouldn't get it past H&S today but that doesn't mean it is the
worlds most dangerous toy. I expect some of the early dodgy small steam
engines have killed and maimed far more youngsters that anything else.

Uranium ore isn't particularly dangerous unless you crush it and eat it
(and even then it isn't all that bad). Uranium photographic intensifier
was once commonplace and uranium glass is still easily available today.

https://www.google.com/patents/US1882426

Uranium is present at trace levels in many rocks at 2ppm. What is rare
is uranium ore with a commercially viable U concentration in it.

Often associated with much hotter radium which may actually represent a
fair proportion of the observed disintegrations.

There is a fair amount of depleted uranium about being used as weights
and as a screen for radioactivity! It turns out that putting a
comparatively thin layer of steel and lead either side allows you to
exploit its high density without it contributing to the count rate.

You can handle DU wrapped in a sheet of paper or plastic sheet without
any significant risk. Most of the alpha particles are stopped by that
and it isn't all that hot to begin with.

My fathers WWII era radium luminous watch would set off radiation alarms
and I used it as a source of alpha particles when I built my own cloud
chamber. It was a seriously hot thing and very bad for the girls that
painted the dials and licked their brushes ...

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Regards,
Martin Brown

On 22/02/2015 15:14, charles wrote:
In article , Tough Guy no. 1265
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:39:49 -0000, Jim Newman wrote:

On 20/02/2015 17:04, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:26:40 -0000, Brian Gaff
wrote:

What about the trimfones btalite gas filled tube behind the dial? I
can recall being rather appalled back in the 60s when we found my
grandfathers old alarm clock in a drawer, still glowing from dots of
something or other after 10 years. I doubt it would be adangerous
unless you strapped it to yourself for a while though.

We binned it. Brian

Unnecessarily over cautious.

So long as you don't break the glass envelope the tritium can't do you
any harm. Tritiated plastics are also used in emergency exit signage.
The beta emission at 18.6keV is pretty well matched to TV phosphors and
very few can get through even the thinnest layer of glass or plastic...

But if it were a watch....

Radium paint is predominantly an emitter of alpha rays, as these have
only a short range through matter due to their large mass and high
charge, they would be stopped by the glass and metal of the watch.

The tritium gas used in trimphones are beta emitters, but the energies
are quite low, so they're all absorbed by the phosphor coated glass
tubes.

My late grandparents had a trimphone. Never did them any harm.

we had one, too. I'm not yet late.

They were used in various failsafe emergency lighting schemes and are
also still used for fishing floats eg.

http://www.simplyfishingtackle.co.uk...ax-p-3855.html

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 23/02/2015 10:17, Huge wrote:
On 2015-02-23, Martin Brown wrote:

Uranium ore isn't particularly dangerous unless you crush it and eat it
(and even then it isn't all that bad). Uranium photographic intensifier
was once commonplace and uranium glass is still easily available today.

I was at a "glass fair" yesterday (my wife collects "art glass") and there
were a number of examples of uranium glass there.

I have a small collection of Davidson uranium glass it is a very pretty
bright lemon yellow colour and fluoresces strongly green in uv light.

Mineral samples of pitchblende are available from Cornwall in the UK
where it occurs as a trace component in tin and lead mining spoil heaps.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Zippeite-o...l/121577613761

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 21/02/2015 17:39, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:25:09 -0000, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Tough Guy no. 1265
wrote:

On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 07:47:09 -0000, harryagain

wrote:


"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 20/02/15 17:05, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:26:40 -0000, Brian Gaff
wrote:

You can buy all sorts of luminous stuff nowadays - is there a
different
chemical that glows?

Yes

It's not luminous, it's phosphorescent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorescence

No radioactivity involved

Ah. Although they aways say luminous on the product. I guess it's a
more
commonly known word.

Luminous covers all of the above; it's more general.

Phosphorescence to me makes me think of fluorescent tubes.

Fluorescent - when a substance absorbs a photon of UV or X-ray and
emits it at a longer (e.g. visible) wavelength.

Phosphorescent - light emitted by a substance without combustion or
perceptible heat e.g. glowworms or fireflies.

Luminous just means something is brighter than you'd expect given the
ambient light. It tells you nothing about how the object is producing
the extra light.

Phosphors in the tube fluoresce then, and not phosphoresce :-)

They do both. If you close your eyes first switch off and then look at
the tube in darkness you will see that it phosphoresces for a short
while after switch off. The modern generation of glo products use doped
Strontium Aluminate which is an astonishingly good long life phosphor.
The old glow in the dark stuff used zinc sulphide which was rather poor.

This glo torch is a particularly good example - after a day in sunlight
the torch plastic body emits enough light in total darkness to find it
by if the lights go out suddenly or to see by when dark adapted.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Glo-Torch-...-/181663763203

It will still keep glowing for several hours after exposure to the sun.

There are also the chemical glow sticks that use a combination of a
peroxide, dye and electron donor to generate cold chemical light.

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Regards,
Martin Brown

On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:44:29 -0000, Martin Brown wrote:

On 21/02/2015 17:39, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:25:09 -0000, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Tough Guy no. 1265
wrote:

On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 07:47:09 -0000, harryagain

wrote:


"Tim Watts" wrote in message
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On 20/02/15 17:05, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:26:40 -0000, Brian Gaff
wrote:

You can buy all sorts of luminous stuff nowadays - is there a
different
chemical that glows?

Yes

It's not luminous, it's phosphorescent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorescence

No radioactivity involved

Ah. Although they aways say luminous on the product. I guess it's a
more
commonly known word.

Luminous covers all of the above; it's more general.

Phosphorescence to me makes me think of fluorescent tubes.

Fluorescent - when a substance absorbs a photon of UV or X-ray and
emits it at a longer (e.g. visible) wavelength.

Phosphorescent - light emitted by a substance without combustion or
perceptible heat e.g. glowworms or fireflies.

Luminous just means something is brighter than you'd expect given the
ambient light. It tells you nothing about how the object is producing
the extra light.

Phosphors in the tube fluoresce then, and not phosphoresce :-)

They do both. If you close your eyes first switch off and then look at
the tube in darkness you will see that it phosphoresces for a short
while after switch off. The modern generation of glo products use doped
Strontium Aluminate which is an astonishingly good long life phosphor.
The old glow in the dark stuff used zinc sulphide which was rather poor.

This glo torch is a particularly good example - after a day in sunlight
the torch plastic body emits enough light in total darkness to find it
by if the lights go out suddenly or to see by when dark adapted.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Glo-Torch-...-/181663763203

It will still keep glowing for several hours after exposure to the sun.

There are also the chemical glow sticks that use a combination of a
peroxide, dye and electron donor to generate cold chemical light.

I've never understood why people think it's the end of the world if lights go out.

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Peter is now listening to "Guo Yi & Guo Yue - Mongolian Horse"

On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 10:00:01 -0000, Martin Brown wrote:

On 20/02/2015 14:41, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

Kinda makes a mockery of the little slightly might be possibly dangerous
things that H&S goes for nowadays, I guess they're bored.

http://www.techienews.co.uk/9723830/...isplay-museum/

You wouldn't get it past H&S today but that doesn't mean it is the
worlds most dangerous toy. I expect some of the early dodgy small steam
engines have killed and maimed far more youngsters that anything else.

Uranium ore isn't particularly dangerous unless you crush it and eat it
(and even then it isn't all that bad). Uranium photographic intensifier
was once commonplace and uranium glass is still easily available today.

https://www.google.com/patents/US1882426

Uranium is present at trace levels in many rocks at 2ppm. What is rare
is uranium ore with a commercially viable U concentration in it.

Often associated with much hotter radium which may actually represent a
fair proportion of the observed disintegrations.

There is a fair amount of depleted uranium about being used as weights
and as a screen for radioactivity! It turns out that putting a
comparatively thin layer of steel and lead either side allows you to
exploit its high density without it contributing to the count rate.

You can handle DU wrapped in a sheet of paper or plastic sheet without
any significant risk. Most of the alpha particles are stopped by that
and it isn't all that hot to begin with.

My fathers WWII era radium luminous watch would set off radiation alarms
and I used it as a source of alpha particles when I built my own cloud
chamber. It was a seriously hot thing and very bad for the girls that
painted the dials and licked their brushes ...

How did steam engines kill?

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On 23/02/2015 15:39, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 10:00:01 -0000, Martin Brown
wrote:


You wouldn't get it past H&S today but that doesn't mean it is the
worlds most dangerous toy. I expect some of the early dodgy small steam
engines have killed and maimed far more youngsters that anything else.

How did steam engines kill?

Boiler explosion with an inadequate, jammed or no safety relief valve.
When even a small steam boiler explodes you really know about it!

A couple of examples from the Mamod mailing list:

http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/ar...__t_58382.html

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Regards,
Martin Brown

On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:13:46 -0000, Martin Brown wrote:

On 23/02/2015 15:39, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 10:00:01 -0000, Martin Brown
wrote:


You wouldn't get it past H&S today but that doesn't mean it is the
worlds most dangerous toy. I expect some of the early dodgy small steam
engines have killed and maimed far more youngsters that anything else.

How did steam engines kill?

Boiler explosion with an inadequate, jammed or no safety relief valve.
When even a small steam boiler explodes you really know about it!

A couple of examples from the Mamod mailing list:

http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/ar...__t_58382.html

"While he was endeavouring to get a higher pressure on the engine, an old oil can that served as the boiler" sounds like he wasn't following the instructions and using the supplied materials.

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Cetus: What were you doing in the flooded sections of the city?
O'Neill: The backstroke
Talus: What are you planning?
O'Neill: I was planning to retire.