I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable happened. A few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC that said that Carbon Monoxide can alter your perception of time (which goes some way to explain a lot of his behaviour) the thing is that I don't see him getting the generator fixed. The job is coming to an end and I doubt it will be repaired when the machine oiis moved for use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that state of health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have thought an hospital wouldn't allow things like that but of course these days with third and fourth party controls it is difficult for health and safety departments to keep up to speed (It probably explains why increasing legislation is so necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure are its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide can cause atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also trigger heart attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure reduces hand to eye coordination, vigilance, and continuous performance. It can also affect time discrimination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man I fell out with but really I am past that stage of upset. I don't wish to ruin his future with the company. They do state on their website that they will retrain people who need it.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he is allowed to run things if he gets sited near the exhaust of that thing on his next job. Honestly, if I had taken a picture of the way they handled some really delicateand expensive hospital equipment and linked it here ...you wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do?
I have never been a whistle blower but (as it happens I have just been writing about exactly that sort of thing: https://weathercharts.wordpress.com/ Not yet posted.)

It turns out that I am a **** who is afraid of whistle-blowing. I wouldn't have thought it but there you go. Do I want people to think I am only saying this to get even, or am I really concerned about the people involved?

The obvious answer is:
What difference does it make?
I know now after writing this that I have to write to MTX. Will I?

On Monday, 19 January 2015 00:51:08 UTC, Weatherlawyer wrote:
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable happened. A few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC that said that Carbon Monoxide can alter your perception of time (which goes some way to explain a lot of his behaviour) the thing is that I don't see him getting the generator fixed. The job is coming to an end and I doubt it will be repaired when the machine oiis moved for use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that state of health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have thought an hospital wouldn't allow things like that but of course these days with third and fourth party controls it is difficult for health and safety departments to keep up to speed (It probably explains why increasing legislation is so necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure are its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide can cause atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also trigger heart attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure reduces hand to eye coordination, vigilance, and continuous performance. It can also affect time discrimination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man I fell out with but really I am past that stage of upset. I don't wish to ruin his future with the company. They do state on their website that they will retrain people who need it.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he is allowed to run things if he gets sited near the exhaust of that thing on his next job. Honestly, if I had taken a picture of the way they handled some really delicateand expensive hospital equipment and linked it here ...you wouldn't believe it.. You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do?
I have never been a whistle blower but (as it happens I have just been writing about exactly that sort of thing: https://weathercharts.wordpress.com/ Not yet posted.)

It turns out that I am a **** who is afraid of whistle-blowing. I wouldn't have thought it but there you go. Do I want people to think I am only saying this to get even, or am I really concerned about the people involved?

The obvious answer is:
What difference does it make?
I know now after writing this that I have to write to MTX. Will I?

There you go:
https://weathercharts.wordpress.com/2015/01/19/fusion/

Weatherlawyer wrote:
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable happened. A few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC that said that Carbon Monoxide can alter your perception of time (which goes some way to explain a lot of his behaviour) the thing is that I don't see him getting the generator fixed. The job is coming to an end and I doubt it will be repaired when the machine oiis moved for use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that state of health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have thought an hospital wouldn't allow things like that but of course these days with third and fourth party controls it is difficult for health and safety departments to keep up to speed (It probably explains why increasing legislation is so necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure are its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide can cause atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also trigger heart attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure reduces hand to eye coordination, vigilance, and continuous performance. It can also affect time discrimination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man I fell out with but really I am past that stage of upset. I don't wish to ruin his future with the company. They do state on their website that they will retrain people who need it.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he is allowed to run things if he gets sited near the exhaust of that thing on his next job. Honestly, if I had taken a picture of the way they handled some really delicateand expensive hospital equipment and linked it here ...you wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do?
I have never been a whistle blower but (as it happens I have just been writing about exactly that sort of thing: https://weathercharts.wordpress.com/ Not yet posted.)

It turns out that I am a **** who is afraid of whistle-blowing. I wouldn't have thought it but there you go. Do I want people to think I am only saying this to get even, or am I really concerned about the people involved?

The obvious answer is:
What difference does it make?
I know now after writing this that I have to write to MTX. Will I?


As you are a medical expert you should immediately bring all your
medical diagnostic powers to bear and do something about it.

Weatherlawyer wrote:
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex
recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant
was suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator
and when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are
immediately aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable
happened. A few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC that
said that Carbon Monoxide can alter your perception of time (which
goes some way to explain a lot of his behaviour) the thing is that I
don't see him getting the generator fixed. The job is coming to an
end and I doubt it will be repaired when the machine oiis moved for
use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that
state of health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have
thought an hospital wouldn't allow things like that but of course
these days with third and fourth party controls it is difficult for
health and safety departments to keep up to speed (It probably
explains why increasing legislation is so necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure
are its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide
can cause atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also
trigger heart attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure
reduces hand to eye coordination, vigilance, and continuous
performance. It can also affect time discrimination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man I fell out with
but really I am past that stage of upset. I don't wish to ruin his
future with the company. They do state on their website that they
will retrain people who need it.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he is allowed to run
things if he gets sited near the exhaust of that thing on his next
job. Honestly, if I had taken a picture of the way they handled some
really delicateand expensive hospital equipment and linked it here
...you wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do?
I have never been a whistle blower but (as it happens I have just
been writing about exactly that sort of thing:
https://weathercharts.wordpress.com/ Not yet posted.)

It turns out that I am a **** who is afraid of whistle-blowing. I
wouldn't have thought it but there you go. Do I want people to think
I am only saying this to get even, or am I really concerned about the
people involved?

The obvious answer is:
What difference does it make?
I know now after writing this that I have to write to MTX. Will I?

If this is a genuine enquiry, then I would suggest that you find the pair of
danglies between your legs and inform someone in authority at your firm or
hospital - or even a union rep or someone who has the necessary balls to do
something about it AND quickly.

It is NOT whistle blowing in the true sense you are simply reporting a major
hazard - and you can do that without bringing the clash of personalities
into it.

If in doubt (and you shouldn't be when your own person - or others - is in
peril) take the following mantra to heart - it's always better to have a
bollocking for doing something rather than nothing and how would your
conscience stand up to a death if you did nothing?

Apologies if I sound brutal, but my temperament (even after being retired
for nearly 20 years) is to do something if danger can be averted - and
'****' the consequences at the time. Those I deal with later - especially
after being called out to two cases of carbon monoxide poisoning (one a 9
year old girl) because a contractor employed an idiot to install two Parkray
boilers many years ago. Both victims fortunately survived BTW.

Cash

(and it is very rare for me to use foul language in print) - so DO SOMETHING
ASAP

On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 16:51:06 -0800 (PST), Weatherlawyer wrote:

I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex
recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was
suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and
when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately
aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

The chap might be a rat in your books but rats still have right to
live. CO is nasty stuff at low levels and long exposure. It is also a
killer.

You have information that someones working conditions pose a real
threat to their health or even life. If the latter was to end due to
CO and you hadn't reported your suspicions how would you feel,
really, deep down?

There are anonymous and official whistle blower sites out there. Or
maybe a call the HSE?

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Monday, 19 January 2015 01:28:06 UTC, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 16:51:06 -0800 (PST), Weatherlawyer wrote:

I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex
recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was
suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and
when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately
aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

The chap might be a rat in your books but rats still have right to
live. CO is nasty stuff at low levels and long exposure. It is also a
killer.

I imagine he could have a driving accident one night. It wouldn't bother me but if he killed someone, that would.

You have information that someone's working conditions pose a real
threat to their health or even life. If the latter was to end due to
CO and you hadn't reported your suspicions how would you feel,
really, deep down?

There are people in positions in authority for their own sections of the workforce and the health and safety of the site is regularly overseen by a company called Kier, the restructured Newcastle under Lyme council workforce.

There are anonymous and official whistle blower sites out there. Or
maybe a call the HSE?

I still don't know how to approach people tactfully. Something I've never needed to learn.

I don't think he was a rat. I got on well with him but in the last week he just went funny with me. I did take the **** a little and upset him when he was moving those machines. I wasn't in a position to do much else.

Maybe that galled him too much for forgiveness.

What I need is to learn how to write a tactful letter to whoever, rather than the ****ty, spiteful stuff I am more likely to send -if I do send anything. I will probably refrain if it means that alternative.

I think I will pop around to the Keir offices there. But I would rather have a chat with one of the trade overseers on that site first. But am I just passing the buck?

I imagine that all it will require is that the genny is tuned. I think the valves only want a regrind but that will cost hundreds, won't it. But he won't even get the toilets unblocked. How can you deal with someone like that?

I think I will pop down there tomorrow. I have no idea what I am going to say.

Weatherlawyer wrote

I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital
complex recently when I realised that one of the overseers at
the MTX plant was suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered
generator and when you enter the office to sign in or out etc.,
you are immediately aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable
happened. A few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC
that said that Carbon Monoxide can alter your perception of time
(which goes some way to explain a lot of his behaviour) the thing
is that I don't see him getting the generator fixed. The job is coming
to an end and I doubt it will be repaired when the machine oiis
moved for use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that
state of health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have thought
an hospital wouldn't allow things like that but of course these days
with third and fourth party controls it is difficult for health and safety
departments to keep up to speed (It probably explains why increasing
legislation is so necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure
are its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide can
cause atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also trigger
heart
attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure reduces hand to eye
coordination, vigilance, and continuous performance. It can also affect
time discrimination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man
I fell out with but really I am past that stage of upset.
I don't wish to ruin his future with the company.

But you should do something about something
as serious as this even if that is the end result.

They do state on their website that
they will retrain people who need it.

But its far from clear how true that is, particularly
if he digs his heels in and just stonewalls them etc.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he
is allowed to run things if he gets sited near the exhaust
of that thing on his next job. Honestly, if I had taken a
picture of the way they handled some really delicate
and expensive hospital equipment and linked it here
... you wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do?

Do something about it.

I have never been a whistle blower but (as it happens
I have just been writing about exactly that sort of thing:
https://weathercharts.wordpress.com/ Not yet posted.)

It turns out that I am a **** who is afraid of whistle-blowing.

You'd be a fool if you were not aware of
what can happen to those who do that.

I wouldn't have thought it but there you go. Do I want
people to think I am only saying this to get even, or
am I really concerned about the people involved?

The obvious thing to do is whistle blow
anonymously to avoid that complication.

And if nothing gets done, do it using your own name.

The obvious answer is:
What difference does it make?
I know now after writing this that
I have to write to MTX. Will I?

On Monday, 19 January 2015 02:26:44 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote

I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital
complex recently when I realised that one of the overseers at
the MTX plant was suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered
generator and when you enter the office to sign in or out etc.,
you are immediately aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable
happened. A few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC
that said that Carbon Monoxide can alter your perception of time
(which goes some way to explain a lot of his behaviour) the thing
is that I don't see him getting the generator fixed. The job is coming
to an end and I doubt it will be repaired when the machine oiis
moved for use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that
state of health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have thought
an hospital wouldn't allow things like that but of course these days
with third and fourth party controls it is difficult for health and safety
departments to keep up to speed (It probably explains why increasing
legislation is so necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure
are its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide can
cause atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also trigger
heart
attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure reduces hand to eye
coordination, vigilance, and continuous performance. It can also affect
time discrimination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man
I fell out with but really I am past that stage of upset.
I don't wish to ruin his future with the company.

But you should do something about something
as serious as this even if that is the end result.

They do state on their website that
they will retrain people who need it.

But its far from clear how true that is, particularly
if he digs his heels in and just stonewalls them etc.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he
is allowed to run things if he gets sited near the exhaust
of that thing on his next job. Honestly, if I had taken a
picture of the way they handled some really delicate
and expensive hospital equipment and linked it here
... you wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do?

Do something about it.

I have never been a whistle blower but (as it happens
I have just been writing about exactly that sort of thing:
https://weathercharts.wordpress.com/ Not yet posted.)

It turns out that I am a **** who is afraid of whistle-blowing.

You'd be a fool if you were not aware of
what can happen to those who do that.

I wouldn't have thought it but there you go. Do I want
people to think I am only saying this to get even, or
am I really concerned about the people involved?

The obvious thing to do is whistle blow
anonymously to avoid that complication.

And if nothing gets done, do it using your own name.

The obvious answer is:
What difference does it make?
I know now after writing this that
I have to write to MTX. Will I?

Thanks for that well thought out usual spew.
I really will take to heart your

On 19/01/2015 00:51, Weatherlawyer wrote:
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable happened. A few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC that said that Carbon Monoxide can alter your perception of time (which goes some way to explain a lot of his behaviour) the thing is that I don't see him getting the generator fixed. The job is coming to an end and I doubt it will be repaired when the machine oiis moved for use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that state of health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have thought an hospital wouldn't allow things like that but of course these days with third and fourth party controls it is difficult for health and safety departments to keep up to speed (It probably explains why increasing legislation is so necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure are its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide can cause atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also trigger heart attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure reduces hand to eye coordination, vigilance, and continuous performance. It can also affect time discrimination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man I fell out with but really I am past that stage of upset. I don't wish to ruin his future with the company. They do state on their website that they will retrain people who need it.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he is allowed to run things if he gets sited near the exhaust of that thing on his next job. Honestly, if I had taken a picture of the way they handled some really delicateand expensive hospital equipment and linked it here ...you wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do?..

Call the Health and Safety Executive. That is what they are there for,
they have the teeth to ensure that something gets done and they won't
say where the report comes from. If you don't know where the local
office is, read one of the statutory notices in the hospital, which
should have contact details.


--
Colin Bignell

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex recently
when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was suffering
from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and
when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately aware
that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable happened. A
few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC that said that Carbon
Monoxide can alter your perception of time (which goes some way to explain a
lot of his behaviour) the thing is that I don't see him getting the
generator fixed. The job is coming to an end and I doubt it will be repaired
when the machine oiis moved for use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that state of
health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have thought an hospital
wouldn't allow things like that but of course these days with third and
fourth party controls it is difficult for health and safety departments to
keep up to speed (It probably explains why increasing legislation is so
necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure are
its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide can cause
atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also trigger heart
attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure reduces hand to eye
coordination, vigilance, and continuous performance. It can also affect time
discrimination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man I fell out with but
really I am past that stage of upset. I don't wish to ruin his future with
the company. They do state on their website that they will retrain people
who need it.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he is allowed to run things
if he gets sited near the exhaust of that thing on his next job. Honestly,
if I had taken a picture of the way they handled some really delicateand
expensive hospital equipment and linked it here ...you wouldn't believe it.
You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do?
I have never been a whistle blower but (as it happens I have just been
writing about exactly that sort of thing:
https://weathercharts.wordpress.com/ Not yet posted.)

It turns out that I am a **** who is afraid of whistle-blowing. I wouldn't
have thought it but there you go. Do I want people to think I am only saying
this to get even, or am I really concerned about the people involved?

The obvious answer is:
What difference does it make?
I know now after writing this that I have to write to MTX. Will I?

First of all MTX????

There is CO in the exhaust gases of all internal combustion engines, it's
quite normal and unavoidable.
It's an odourless gas BTW.

Next. I have read your link, it is filled with drivel (God made the sun, it
is not nuclear powered +more drivel). I can only assume you may be suffering
from CO poisoning yourself, clearly you have little technical knowledegand
may well be a conspiracy theorist/troll.

If you think there's a problem, speak to the Health and Safety excutive.
You must be in cloud cuckoo land if you don't know this.

If they have a mental care department at the hospital, consider handing
yourself in.

On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 07:15:33 +0000, harryagain wrote:

There is CO in the exhaust gases of all internal combustion engines,

Nope. The exhaust of a catalysed petrol engine is virtually zero CO. It's
all oxidised to CO2.

it's quite normal and unavoidable.
It's an odourless gas BTW.

It's still fatal.

clearly you have little technical knowledegand may well be a conspiracy
theorist/troll.

If they have a mental care department at the hospital, consider handing
yourself in.

Why am I reminded of the phrase "Takes one to know one"?

On 19/01/2015 00:51, Weatherlawyer wrote:
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable happened. A few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC that said that Carbon Monoxide can alter your perception of time (which goes some way to explain a lot of his behaviour) the thing is that I don't see him getting the generator fixed. The job is coming to an end and I doubt it will be repaired when the machine oiis moved for use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that state of health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have thought an hospital wouldn't allow things like that but of course these days with third and fourth party controls it is difficult for health and safety departments to keep up to speed (It probably explains why increasing legislation is so necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure are its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide can cause atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also trigger heart attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure reduces hand to eye coordination, vigilance, and continuous performance. It can also affect time discrimination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man I fell out with but really I am past that stage of upset. I don't wish to ruin his future with the company. They do state on their website that they will retrain people who need it.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he is allowed to run things if he gets sited near the exhaust of that thing on his next job. Honestly, if I had taken a picture of the way they handled some really delicateand expensive hospital equipment and linked it here ...you wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do?
I have never been a whistle blower but (as it happens I have just been writing about exactly that sort of thing: https://weathercharts.wordpress.com/ Not yet posted.)

It turns out that I am a **** who is afraid of whistle-blowing. I wouldn't have thought it but there you go. Do I want people to think I am only saying this to get even, or am I really concerned about the people involved?

The obvious answer is:
What difference does it make?
I know now after writing this that I have to write to MTX. Will I?


Why don't you buy a CO2 detector and leave it on his desk?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 19/01/15 08:12, The Medway Handyman wrote:


Why don't you buy a CO2 detector and leave it on his desk?


Because the post is about carbon *monoxide*?


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

Sounds like you need to shop them to the Health and Safety exec. if they do
nothing you can have a clear conscience when the death occurs.
Brian

--
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"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex recently
when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was suffering
from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and
when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately aware
that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable happened. A
few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC that said that Carbon
Monoxide can alter your perception of time (which goes some way to explain a
lot of his behaviour) the thing is that I don't see him getting the
generator fixed. The job is coming to an end and I doubt it will be repaired
when the machine oiis moved for use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that state of
health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have thought an hospital
wouldn't allow things like that but of course these days with third and
fourth party controls it is difficult for health and safety departments to
keep up to speed (It probably explains why increasing legislation is so
necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure are
its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide can cause
atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also trigger heart
attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure reduces hand to eye
coordination, vigilance, and continuous performance. It can also affect time
discrimination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man I fell out with but
really I am past that stage of upset. I don't wish to ruin his future with
the company. They do state on their website that they will retrain people
who need it.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he is allowed to run things
if he gets sited near the exhaust of that thing on his next job. Honestly,
if I had taken a picture of the way they handled some really delicateand
expensive hospital equipment and linked it here ...you wouldn't believe it.
You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do?
I have never been a whistle blower but (as it happens I have just been
writing about exactly that sort of thing:
https://weathercharts.wordpress.com/ Not yet posted.)

It turns out that I am a **** who is afraid of whistle-blowing. I wouldn't
have thought it but there you go. Do I want people to think I am only saying
this to get even, or am I really concerned about the people involved?

The obvious answer is:
What difference does it make?
I know now after writing this that I have to write to MTX. Will I?

Brian Gaff wrote

Sounds like you need to shop them to the Health and Safety exec.

Yes.

if they do nothing you can have a clear conscience when the death occurs.

Nope, he could have done something more effective.


"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex
recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was
suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and
when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately
aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable happened.
A few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC that said that Carbon
Monoxide can alter your perception of time (which goes some way to explain
a lot of his behaviour) the thing is that I don't see him getting the
generator fixed. The job is coming to an end and I doubt it will be
repaired when the machine oiis moved for use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that state of
health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have thought an
hospital wouldn't allow things like that but of course these days with
third and fourth party controls it is difficult for health and safety
departments to keep up to speed (It probably explains why increasing
legislation is so necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure are
its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide can cause
atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also trigger heart
attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure reduces hand to eye
coordination, vigilance, and continuous performance. It can also affect
time discrimination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man I fell out with but
really I am past that stage of upset. I don't wish to ruin his future with
the company. They do state on their website that they will retrain people
who need it.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he is allowed to run
things if he gets sited near the exhaust of that thing on his next job.
Honestly, if I had taken a picture of the way they handled some really
delicateand expensive hospital equipment and linked it here ...you
wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do?
I have never been a whistle blower but (as it happens I have just been
writing about exactly that sort of thing:
https://weathercharts.wordpress.com/ Not yet posted.)

It turns out that I am a **** who is afraid of whistle-blowing. I wouldn't
have thought it but there you go. Do I want people to think I am only
saying this to get even, or am I really concerned about the people
involved?

The obvious answer is:
What difference does it make?
I know now after writing this that I have to write to MTX. Will I?

In article , The Medway Handyman
wrote:
On 19/01/2015 00:51, Weatherlawyer wrote:
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex
recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was
suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator
and when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are
immediately aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable
happened. A few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC that said
that Carbon Monoxide can alter your perception of time (which goes some
way to explain a lot of his behaviour) the thing is that I don't see
him getting the generator fixed. The job is coming to an end and I
doubt it will be repaired when the machine oiis moved for use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that state
of health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have thought an
hospital wouldn't allow things like that but of course these days with
third and fourth party controls it is difficult for health and safety
departments to keep up to speed (It probably explains why increasing
legislation is so necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure
are its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide can
cause atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also trigger
heart attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure reduces hand to
eye coordination, vigilance, and continuous performance. It can also
affect time discrimination." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man I fell out with
but really I am past that stage of upset. I don't wish to ruin his
future with the company. They do state on their website that they will
retrain people who need it.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he is allowed to run
things if he gets sited near the exhaust of that thing on his next job.
Honestly, if I had taken a picture of the way they handled some really
delicateand expensive hospital equipment and linked it here ...you
wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do? I have never been a whistle blower but (as it
happens I have just been writing about exactly that sort of thing:
https://weathercharts.wordpress.com/ Not yet posted.)

It turns out that I am a **** who is afraid of whistle-blowing. I
wouldn't have thought it but there you go. Do I want people to think I
am only saying this to get even, or am I really concerned about the
people involved?

The obvious answer is: What difference does it make? I know now after
writing this that I have to write to MTX. Will I?


Why don't you buy a CO2 detector and leave it on his desk?

I suspe3ct you mean a CO detector

--
From KT24 in Surrey

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On 19/01/15 09:18, Brian Gaff wrote:
Sounds like you need to shop them to the Health and Safety exec. if they do
nothing you can have a clear conscience when the death occurs.

Have a quiet word rather 'expressing concern' with the relevant
authority. Be mild, but get it down in writing.

Don't be adversarial, be 'concerned'. That's the politically correct way
these days.

Unions, H&S officer, personnel officer. Etc.



--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On Monday, 19 January 2015 05:35:12 UTC, Nightjar wrote:
On 19/01/2015 00:51, Weatherlawyer wrote:
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable happened. A few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC that said that Carbon Monoxide can alter your perception of time (which goes some way to explain a lot of his behaviour) the thing is that I don't see him getting the generator fixed. The job is coming to an end and I doubt it will be repaired when the machine oiis moved for use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that state of health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have thought an hospital wouldn't allow things like that but of course these days with third and fourth party controls it is difficult for health and safety departments to keep up to speed (It probably explains why increasing legislation is so necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure are its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide can cause atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also trigger heart attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure reduces hand to eye coordination, vigilance, and continuous performance. It can also affect time discrimination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man I fell out with but really I am past that stage of upset. I don't wish to ruin his future with the company. They do state on their website that they will retrain people who need it.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he is allowed to run things if he gets sited near the exhaust of that thing on his next job. Honestly, if I had taken a picture of the way they handled some really delicateand expensive hospital equipment and linked it here ...you wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do?..

Call the Health and Safety Executive. That is what they are there for,
they have the teeth to ensure that something gets done and they won't
say where the report comes from. If you don't know where the local
office is, read one of the statutory notices in the hospital, which
should have contact details.

That sounds ****ty. I think I will just go there and tell the man himself. Stafforshire Hospitals are famously badly run and their health and safety was designed by Harold Shipman to get away with killing as many people as possible.

How come you don't know that?

On Monday, 19 January 2015 07:15:35 UTC, harry wrote:
"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex recently
when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was suffering
from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and
when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately aware
that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable happened. A
few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC that said that Carbon
Monoxide can alter your perception of time (which goes some way to explain a
lot of his behaviour) the thing is that I don't see him getting the
generator fixed. The job is coming to an end and I doubt it will be repaired
when the machine oiis moved for use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that state of
health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have thought an hospital
wouldn't allow things like that but of course these days with third and
fourth party controls it is difficult for health and safety departments to
keep up to speed (It probably explains why increasing legislation is so
necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure are
its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide can cause
atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also trigger heart
attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure reduces hand to eye
coordination, vigilance, and continuous performance. It can also affect time
discrimination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man I fell out with but
really I am past that stage of upset. I don't wish to ruin his future with
the company. They do state on their website that they will retrain people
who need it.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he is allowed to run things
if he gets sited near the exhaust of that thing on his next job. Honestly,
if I had taken a picture of the way they handled some really delicateand
expensive hospital equipment and linked it here ...you wouldn't believe it.
You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do?
I have never been a whistle blower but (as it happens I have just been
writing about exactly that sort of thing:
https://weathercharts.wordpress.com/ Not yet posted.)

It turns out that I am a **** who is afraid of whistle-blowing. I wouldn't
have thought it but there you go. Do I want people to think I am only saying
this to get even, or am I really concerned about the people involved?

The obvious answer is:
What difference does it make?
I know now after writing this that I have to write to MTX. Will I?

First of all MTX????

There is CO in the exhaust gases of all internal combustion engines, it's
quite normal and unavoidable.
It's an odourless gas BTW.

Next. I have read your link, it is filled with drivel (God made the sun, it
is not nuclear powered +more drivel). I can only assume you may be suffering
from CO poisoning yourself, clearly you have little technical knowledegand
may well be a conspiracy theorist/troll.

If you think there's a problem, speak to the Health and Safety excutive.
You must be in cloud cuckoo land if you don't know this.

If they have a mental care department at the hospital, consider handing
yourself in.

I just read you post. It serves me right. I usually avoid you. Today I was being polite. Uch!

On Monday, 19 January 2015 08:12:21 UTC, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 19/01/2015 00:51, Weatherlawyer wrote:
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable happened. A few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC that said that Carbon Monoxide can alter your perception of time (which goes some way to explain a lot of his behaviour) the thing is that I don't see him getting the generator fixed. The job is coming to an end and I doubt it will be repaired when the machine oiis moved for use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that state of health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have thought an hospital wouldn't allow things like that but of course these days with third and fourth party controls it is difficult for health and safety departments to keep up to speed (It probably explains why increasing legislation is so necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure are its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide can cause atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also trigger heart attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure reduces hand to eye coordination, vigilance, and continuous performance. It can also affect time discrimination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man I fell out with but really I am past that stage of upset. I don't wish to ruin his future with the company. They do state on their website that they will retrain people who need it.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he is allowed to run things if he gets sited near the exhaust of that thing on his next job. Honestly, if I had taken a picture of the way they handled some really delicateand expensive hospital equipment and linked it here ...you wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do?
I have never been a whistle blower but (as it happens I have just been writing about exactly that sort of thing: https://weathercharts.wordpress.com/ Not yet posted.)

It turns out that I am a **** who is afraid of whistle-blowing. I wouldn't have thought it but there you go. Do I want people to think I am only saying this to get even, or am I really concerned about the people involved?

The obvious answer is:
What difference does it make?
I know now after writing this that I have to write to MTX. Will I?


Why don't you buy a CO2 detector and leave it on his desk?

How will he know it isn't responding to CO?

harryagain wrote:

Weatherlawyer wrote:

I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex recently
when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was suffering
from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

MTX????

Presumably this
http://www.mtxcontracts.co.uk/job-win-north-staffs

Looks to be father & son as directors, try to speak to one of them?
http://www.endole.co.uk/company/04522396

On Monday, 19 January 2015 08:04:48 UTC, Adrian wrote:

The exhaust of a catalysed petrol engine is virtually zero CO. It's
all oxidised to CO2.

This a diesel generator the size of a lorry container. It has a lage vent in the top the diameter of a 2 gallon bucket. You can smell raw diesel in the exhaust so the valves obviously need looking at. The timing sounds efficient and it starts OK.

His office is above another container used as a canteen except it has no flowing water and has never been cleaned. In a straight line, his door is about 20 to 30 feet from that vent. It runs first thing when he gets in to last thing when he leaves. He is usually on time or early and always the last to leave. He works hard, long hours and I respect that.

He is not going to take my advice though. If I remember correctly, I told him that I thought he was being poisoned by CO but we both shrugged it off. That was then. I no idea that it remains a long term poison.

On Monday, 19 January 2015 11:25:05 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
harryagain wrote:

Weatherlawyer wrote:

I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex recently
when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was suffering
from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

MTX????

Presumably this
http://www.mtxcontracts.co.uk/job-win-north-staffs

Looks to be father & son as directors, try to speak to one of them?
http://www.endole.co.uk/company/04522396

They may just sack him. I don't think that would be fair. Tricky isn't it?

On Monday, 19 January 2015 09:33:50 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Brian Gaff wrote

Sounds like you need to shop them to the Health and Safety exec.

Yes.

if they do nothing you can have a clear conscience when the death occurs.

Nope, he could have done something more effective.


"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex
recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was
suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and
when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately
aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable happened.
A few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC that said that Carbon
Monoxide can alter your perception of time (which goes some way to explain
a lot of his behaviour) the thing is that I don't see him getting the
generator fixed. The job is coming to an end and I doubt it will be
repaired when the machine oiis moved for use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that state of
health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have thought an
hospital wouldn't allow things like that but of course these days with
third and fourth party controls it is difficult for health and safety
departments to keep up to speed (It probably explains why increasing
legislation is so necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure are
its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide can cause
atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also trigger heart
attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure reduces hand to eye
coordination, vigilance, and continuous performance. It can also affect
time discrimination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man I fell out with but
really I am past that stage of upset. I don't wish to ruin his future with
the company. They do state on their website that they will retrain people
who need it.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he is allowed to run
things if he gets sited near the exhaust of that thing on his next job.
Honestly, if I had taken a picture of the way they handled some really
delicateand expensive hospital equipment and linked it here ...you
wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do?
I have never been a whistle blower but (as it happens I have just been
writing about exactly that sort of thing:
https://weathercharts.wordpress.com/ Not yet posted.)

It turns out that I am a **** who is afraid of whistle-blowing. I wouldn't
have thought it but there you go. Do I want people to think I am only
saying this to get even, or am I really concerned about the people
involved?

The obvious answer is:
What difference does it make?
I know now after writing this that I have to write to MTX. Will I?

Some foam in the vent you mean?

On 19/01/2015 10:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/01/15 09:18, Brian Gaff wrote:
Sounds like you need to shop them to the Health and Safety exec. if
they do
nothing you can have a clear conscience when the death occurs.

Have a quiet word rather 'expressing concern' with the relevant
authority. Be mild, but get it down in writing.

Asking the occupant of the office if they can smell exhaust fumes would
be one way to broach the subject. It is a bit too late when they are one
the ground twitching with cherry pink lips. Sounds like something is
potentially dangerous if exhaust fumes are leaking into an office.

Don't be adversarial, be 'concerned'. That's the politically correct way
these days.

Unions, H&S officer, personnel officer. Etc.

You have to remember that the OP is a certified grade I general nutter,
conspiracy theorist and netkook so it would be surprising if anyone took
him seriously (even if he was right). He makes a nuisance of himself
raving about the moon and earthquakes on the weather groups.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Monday, 19 January 2015 10:48:17 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/01/15 09:18, Brian Gaff wrote:
Sounds like you need to shop them to the Health and Safety exec. if they do
nothing you can have a clear conscience when the death occurs.

Have a quiet word rather 'expressing concern' with the relevant
authority. Be mild, but get it down in writing.

Don't be adversarial, be 'concerned'. That's the politically correct way
these days.

Unions, H&S officer, personnel officer. Etc.

Yes. That's the way I am leaning. Or I just may let it all go as none of my business. I am feeling better about it already. Not my problem. It would be nice to know where that genny is going to go to next.

It really does stink. Pity everyone in the NSHT has been cowed or got at. Or maybe I am not the only one unsure what to do next.

On Monday, 19 January 2015 11:33:25 UTC, Martin Brown wrote:
On 19/01/2015 10:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/01/15 09:18, Brian Gaff wrote:
Sounds like you need to shop them to the Health and Safety exec. if
they do
nothing you can have a clear conscience when the death occurs.

Have a quiet word rather 'expressing concern' with the relevant
authority. Be mild, but get it down in writing.

Asking the occupant of the office if they can smell exhaust fumes would
be one way to broach the subject. It is a bit too late when they are one
the ground twitching with cherry pink lips. Sounds like something is
potentially dangerous if exhaust fumes are leaking into an office.

Don't be adversarial, be 'concerned'. That's the politically correct way
these days.

Unions, H&S officer, personnel officer. Etc.

You have to remember that the OP is a certified grade I general nutter,
conspiracy theorist and netkook so it would be surprising if anyone took
him seriously (even if he was right). He makes a nuisance of himself
raving about the moon and earthquakes on the weather groups.

I just pulled your copy and pastes apart.
You couldn't get past that, so this is how you react. I am not like you. This is how I react.

(To whom it concerns, if you refute someone's capable but erroneous quotes with a little logic, the amount of effort they have to put in to make a refutation is orders of magnitude more time consuming than a modified Google Search. All they can do to stay in the conversation from then on (rather than run off with their tail between their legs - or hang on in there to learn) is screech ad-hominem attacks.

If they ever do find evidence of correct thinking, another sentence or two of disciplined logic will generally bring the thread to an end. They will never realise their error and you would have wasted your time on them.)

As it happens talking to the site agent is rather like talking to Martin Brown. You can see the lights are off.

On Monday, 19 January 2015 11:54:50 UTC, Weatherlawyer wrote:

As it happens talking to the site agent is rather like talking to Martin Brown. You can see the lights are off.

Back on the subject again in case anyone knows what |I am talking about as for instance not the poster above me.

The generator is rather noisome. It has a loudish exhaust note that I am sure would be much quieter with a service especially if they checked the jets and the valves. A regrind would have obvious effects.

But walking past it you are made aware of a seriously upsetting thrum. It has a low frequency problem that may be affecting human activity. SO how come I am the only one who thinks it is a problem?
Or do others just grin and bear it?

Should I ?
Martin has pointed out the sort of stuff I am into that would make an honest engineer layman nod and pass on with ignorance whilst it draws me to it, magnetically. Do diesel engines draw moths?

Weatherlawyer wrote:
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex
recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was
suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

How do you know? Did you measure his carboxyhemoglobin levels?

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and
when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately
aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Diesel exhaust smell doesn't necessarily correspond with significant CO
levels. Because diesels are un-throttled, they inherently produce much
less CO than petrol engines.

That doesn't make the fumes harmless of course but you're jumping the gun
presupposing that anyone is suffering from CO poisoning.

Tim

On 19/01/15 12:24, Tim+ wrote:
Diesel exhaust smell doesn't necessarily correspond with significant CO
levels. Because diesels are un-throttled, they inherently produce much
less CO than petrol engines.


However the smell of a diesel exhaust is ultimately unburnt or partially
burnt hydrocarbons.

And the soot is unburnt carbon.
So combustion is not as complete as one wou7ld perhaps infer from your
statement...

In fact a non turbocharged diesel is throttled entirely on the fuel to
air ratio. At moderate to high throttle settings its is heavily
overloaded with fuel and very rich on unburnt and partially burnt fuel -
and that includes CO.

And indeed if anything happens - like a partially blocked air filter -
to restrict air intake, CO production can be very high indeed.

http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/...er-faq-19.html


--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 03:06:48 -0800 (PST), Weatherlawyer wrote:

Call the Health and Safety Executive. That is what they are there
for,
they have the teeth to ensure that something gets done and they
won't
say where the report comes from. If you don't know where the local

office is, read one of the statutory notices in the hospital,
which
should have contact details.

That sounds ****ty. I think I will just go there and tell the man
himself. Stafforshire Hospitals are famously badly run and their health
and safety was designed by Harold Shipman to get away with killing as
many people as possible.

THE "Health and Safety Executive" not the local health and safety rep
(all clipboard and hi-viz).

http://www.hse.gov.uk/contact/maps/midlands.htm

Scroll down to Stoke-on-Trent.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 19/01/15 11:30, Weatherlawyer wrote:
That was then. I no idea that it remains a long term poison.

CO is not long term cumulative (barring any brain damage caused) - what
do you mean?

On 19/01/2015 12:49, Tim Watts wrote:
On 19/01/15 11:30, Weatherlawyer wrote:
That was then. I no idea that it remains a long term poison.

CO is not long term cumulative (barring any brain damage caused) - what
do you mean?

Agreed, but I'm reminded of the Terry Pratchett line: "Set a man on fire
and he's warm for the rest of his life".

On Monday, 19 January 2015 12:23:52 UTC, Tim+ wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex
recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was
suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

How do you know? Did you measure his carboxyhemoglobin levels?

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and
when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately
aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Diesel exhaust smell doesn't necessarily correspond with significant CO
levels. Because diesels are un-throttled, they inherently produce much
less CO than petrol engines.

That doesn't make the fumes harmless of course but you're jumping the gun
presupposing that anyone is suffering from CO poisoning.

So I am OK to do nothing just as your holy pre-eminence suggests?
I don't suppose you read my OP by any chance?

On 19/01/2015 11:06, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Monday, 19 January 2015 05:35:12 UTC, Nightjar wrote:
On 19/01/2015 00:51, Weatherlawyer wrote:
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable happened. A few minutes ago I came across an article on HVAC that said that Carbon Monoxide can alter your perception of time (which goes some way to explain a lot of his behaviour) the thing is that I don't see him getting the generator fixed. The job is coming to an end and I doubt it will be repaired when the machine oiis moved for use elsewhere.

Going by the shabby state of things being run by someone in that state of health, the toilet facilities for example (I would have thought an hospital wouldn't allow things like that but of course these days with third and fourth party controls it is difficult for health and safety departments to keep up to speed (It probably explains why increasing legislation is so necessary, too.))

"The primary health concerns associated with carbon monoxide exposure are its cardiovascular and neurobehavioral effects. Carbon monoxide can cause atherosclerosis (the hardening of arteries) and can also trigger heart attacks. Neurologically, carbon monoxide exposure reduces hand to eye coordination, vigilance, and continuous performance. It can also affect time discrimination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC

This sounds like I am trying to get even with the man I fell out with but really I am past that stage of upset. I don't wish to ruin his future with the company. They do state on their website that they will retrain people who need it.

Something nasty is going to happen with the way he is allowed to run things if he gets sited near the exhaust of that thing on his next job. Honestly, if I had taken a picture of the way they handled some really delicateand expensive hospital equipment and linked it here ...you wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't be able to.

So what does one do?..

Call the Health and Safety Executive. That is what they are there for,
they have the teeth to ensure that something gets done and they won't
say where the report comes from. If you don't know where the local
office is, read one of the statutory notices in the hospital, which
should have contact details.

That sounds ****ty. I think I will just go there and tell the man himself. Stafforshire Hospitals are famously badly run and their health and safety was designed by Harold Shipman to get away with killing as many people as possible.

How come you don't know that?

Irrelevant, as the Health and Safety Executive are nothing to do with
the hospital H&S department. Their job is to ensure that H&S departments
do their jobs properly.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/index.htm

If you simply contact the local office and tell them of your concerns,
they will send an inspector round, who will be fully qualified to assess
whether or not you are right. If you are, they will issue a notice
requiring the employer to take action. Provided the employer does what
is required, that will be the end of the matter.


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Colin Bignell

On 19/01/2015 01:27, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 16:51:06 -0800 (PST), Weatherlawyer wrote:

I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex
recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was
suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and
when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately
aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

The chap might be a rat in your books but rats still have right to
live. CO is nasty stuff at low levels and long exposure. It is also a
killer.

You have information that someones working conditions pose a real
threat to their health or even life. If the latter was to end due to
CO and you hadn't reported your suspicions how would you feel,
really, deep down?

That would depend on whether anyone else knew he had seen the problem
and failed to report it. You can be jailed for not reporting a health
and safety problem these days.

I would report it with no hesitation, I have physically gone and stopped
machinery that was dangerous and reported a lose bit of metal on the
wings of a plane stopping it taking off. Nobody gets upset if you save
their life.

On 19/01/2015 01:08, Weatherlawyer wrote:


There you go:
https://weathercharts.wordpress.com/2015/01/19/fusion/


That is complete garbage, you should delete it before anyone that cares
about you reads it!

BTW there is Ice water and water vapour outside at this present time so
its easy to see an environment where water in solid, liquid and gas
exists at the same time.

On 19/01/2015 12:49, Tim Watts wrote:
On 19/01/15 11:30, Weatherlawyer wrote:
That was then. I no idea that it remains a long term poison.

CO is not long term cumulative (barring any brain damage caused) - what
do you mean?


It takes a while to make new blood cells to replace the poisoned ones so
it is a cumulative poison that will kill you over a few days if the dose
is high enough (or even quicker at high doses).

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
news:1af0aef2-dc78-41b3-a229-

Key points:

You was getting on well with him & even mentioned the CO poisoning,which was
shrugged off by you both, and then in the last week you fell out with him.

He runs things shabilly, toilets, mishandling hospital equipment etc.

'He may get sacked'

It wouldn't bother you if he had an accident.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So it's safe to say that you don't particularly like this chap, although the
state of the toilets and the canteen and the way things are handled have
nothing whatsoever to do any 'concerns' you have about CO poisoning, so why
you felt the need to mention them is a mystery, as was the fact that you
fell out with him.


Yes, he may get sacked if you go about it the way you are contemplating
going about it, but if, (like someone normal would), you just raise a
concern to HSE that you think XYZ piece of machinery is a danger because of
fumes / CO and leave it at that, he's no chance of getting sacked, but I
fear this wouldn't suit your agenda.

On 19/01/2015 01:08, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Monday, 19 January 2015 00:51:08 UTC, Weatherlawyer wrote:
I was working at the UK's celebrated Stafforshire Hospital complex recently when I realised that one of the overseers at the MTX plant was suffering from Carbon Monoxide Poisoning.

The office he uses is immediately above the diesel powered generator and when you enter the office to sign in or out etc., you are immediately aware that the fuel isn't burning correctly.

Well I fell out with the gentleman concerned and the inevitable happened.

There is no need to fall out. You should have made your point and then
retired. You have told the person affected and he can proceed as he
thinks fit.

--
Michael Chare