"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:08:58 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/10/2014 11:49, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 11:14:23 -0000, whisky-dave
wrote:

On Friday, 31 October 2014 04:56:48 UTC, Bod wrote:
Uncle Peter made this incredible statement:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, . You might
shiver
if you were naked, but the shivering will stop you getting any
colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull**** and he should
be
sent to the funny farm, but is there an element of truth in what he
said?....Anyone know?

You could always get him to prove it, as in try it post a vid. to
youtube.
They say that as you approach Hyperthermia you start to feel warm/hot
and remove your cloths.
Of course -20C air doesn't make you cold unless you're actually
exposed to it.

My comment to Bod which has been missed out completely in this thread
was that air is nowhere near as cooling as water. The conversation was
originally about dry air at -20C, which I said was nothing like even
cool water for cooling you down.

No, you have previously stated that anyone could sleep out in snow all
night when the temperature was minus 20 and only wearing jeans and a tee
shirt.
I can produce the email where you said that, if you wish.

Yes, and? How does that contradict what I just said? That situation does
not involve being in water.

As for the jeans and tshirt, nobody can get cold when dressed.

Must explain why some have died of hypothermia when dressed.

Jeans and tshirt are quite warm clothes.

Must be why they climb Everest wearing just jeans and a tshirt and no boots.

"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:17:25 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/10/2014 12:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 11:56:31 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/10/2014 11:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
2 degrees is required to MAKE you shiver. This (along with reduced
blood flow to your skin and brown fat cells becoming active) prevents
it
going much further. You need to lose 17C to die.

My fingers don't mind the cold, they in fact go RED to increase blood
to
them to prevent frostbite.

How can that be!? Your blood reduces flow to your extremities when
very
cold, to protect your vital organs.

Your fingers and toes are more important. Your "vital organs" are
inside you and much warmer anyway. Try shoving just your hand in a tub
of cold water right now. Leave it in there for a while, your hand will
go red. That's MORE blood to protect it.

Tell me! what parts of the body tend to get frostbite first if it's not
fingers and toes?

Nothing does if you're fit and healthy.

Must be why the fit and healthy get frostbite climbing Everest.

Shutting off your extremities is ****ing stupid.

Beats dying.

You need those to walk on, therefore they are as important as your "vital
organs".

Even more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

You'll find they are more likely to get blood flow if you're using them
too.

Yes, most of those that do get frostbite of their extremitys
get that at night when they arent using them. Not always tho.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 23:10:31 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 11:50:56 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/10/2014 11:46, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:05:33 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:

Bod wrote

Uncle Peter made this incredible statement:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, .
You might shiver if you were naked, but the
shivering will stop you getting any colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull****
and he should be sent to the funny farm, but is
there an element of truth in what he said?....

Nope. Its certainly possible to be quite active when
naked in -20C air and do fine, but just standing there
naked and shivering wont let you survive for long.

Active or not it doesn't matter. Shivering replaces active, it's the
same thing, your muscles are moving. You also have reduced blood flow
to the surface (all of you, not just your fingers and toes and other
sticky out things), and brown fat cells which generate heat directly
from calories.

Yup, which leads to frostbite on your extremities.

Your body won't allow that if you have a reasonably fit body.

Bull****. Happens all the time with the extremely fit on Everest etc.

Then they clearly weren't fit.

I've gone hillwalking barefoot in the snow.

Try climbing Everest in bare feet and see how long your toes last.

They'd be fine.

My feet go cold and numb at first, then eventually they go red and warm up
again.

Didn't happen with those that got frostbite on Everest.

Wimps.

--
If you are going to try cross-country skiing, start with a small country.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 23:10:31 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 11:50:56 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/10/2014 11:46, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:05:33 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:

Bod wrote

Uncle Peter made this incredible statement:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, .
You might shiver if you were naked, but the
shivering will stop you getting any colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull****
and he should be sent to the funny farm, but is
there an element of truth in what he said?....

Nope. Its certainly possible to be quite active when
naked in -20C air and do fine, but just standing there
naked and shivering wont let you survive for long.

Active or not it doesn't matter. Shivering replaces active, it's the
same thing, your muscles are moving. You also have reduced blood flow
to the surface (all of you, not just your fingers and toes and other
sticky out things), and brown fat cells which generate heat directly
from calories.

Yup, which leads to frostbite on your extremities.

Your body won't allow that if you have a reasonably fit body.

Bull****. Happens all the time with the extremely fit on Everest etc.

Then they clearly weren't fit.

I've gone hillwalking barefoot in the snow.

Try climbing Everest in bare feet and see how long your toes last.

They'd be fine.

My feet go cold and numb at first, then eventually they go red and warm up
again.

Didn't happen with those that got frostbite on Everest.

Wimps.

--
If you are going to try cross-country skiing, start with a small country.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 23:14:59 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 11:56:31 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/10/2014 11:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
2 degrees is required to MAKE you shiver. This (along with reduced
blood flow to your skin and brown fat cells becoming active) prevents it
going much further. You need to lose 17C to die.

My fingers don't mind the cold, they in fact go RED to increase blood to
them to prevent frostbite.

How can that be!? Your blood reduces flow to your extremities when very
cold, to protect your vital organs.

Your fingers and toes are more important.

Bull****. That's what you lose to frostbite, for a reason.

What reason is that then?

Your "vital organs" are inside you and much warmer anyway.

Try seeing what happens when your core body temp drops significantly.

You shiver harder.

Try shoving just your hand in a tub of cold water right now. Leave it in
there for a while, your hand will go red.

Now try spending the night in the freezer naked
and see how long your fingers and toes last.

I've more or less done that. If your whole body is cold, then you are LESS likely to have numb toes. Numb fingers/toes occurs when most of you is warm but you have exposed fingers/toes. The easiest way for your body to conserve heat is just to keep the blood in the warm bits.

That's MORE blood to protect it.

Doesn't explain why some get frostbite on Everest, stupid.

They're pussies.

--
Hit the button marked 'STOP' with remaining hand.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 23:17:05 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:08:58 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/10/2014 11:49, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 11:14:23 -0000, whisky-dave
wrote:

On Friday, 31 October 2014 04:56:48 UTC, Bod wrote:
Uncle Peter made this incredible statement:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, . You might
shiver
if you were naked, but the shivering will stop you getting any
colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull**** and he should
be
sent to the funny farm, but is there an element of truth in what he
said?....Anyone know?

You could always get him to prove it, as in try it post a vid. to
youtube.
They say that as you approach Hyperthermia you start to feel warm/hot
and remove your cloths.
Of course -20C air doesn't make you cold unless you're actually
exposed to it.

My comment to Bod which has been missed out completely in this thread
was that air is nowhere near as cooling as water. The conversation was
originally about dry air at -20C, which I said was nothing like even
cool water for cooling you down.

No, you have previously stated that anyone could sleep out in snow all
night when the temperature was minus 20 and only wearing jeans and a tee
shirt.
I can produce the email where you said that, if you wish.

Yes, and? How does that contradict what I just said? That situation does
not involve being in water.

As for the jeans and tshirt, nobody can get cold when dressed.

Must explain why some have died of hypothermia when dressed.

Wimps, I'm glad they're out of the gene pool. Anyway, they always say people die of "hypothermia" or "old age", when what it really means is they can't be bothered finding the true cause of death.

Jeans and tshirt are quite warm clothes.

Must be why they climb Everest wearing just jeans and a tshirt and no boots.

Wimps.

--
If you eat a judge's uniform you might contract a lawsuit.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 23:19:41 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:17:25 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/10/2014 12:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 11:56:31 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/10/2014 11:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
2 degrees is required to MAKE you shiver. This (along with reduced
blood flow to your skin and brown fat cells becoming active) prevents
it
going much further. You need to lose 17C to die.

My fingers don't mind the cold, they in fact go RED to increase blood
to
them to prevent frostbite.

How can that be!? Your blood reduces flow to your extremities when
very
cold, to protect your vital organs.

Your fingers and toes are more important. Your "vital organs" are
inside you and much warmer anyway. Try shoving just your hand in a tub
of cold water right now. Leave it in there for a while, your hand will
go red. That's MORE blood to protect it.

Tell me! what parts of the body tend to get frostbite first if it's not
fingers and toes?

Nothing does if you're fit and healthy.

Must be why the fit and healthy get frostbite climbing Everest.

Wimps.

Shutting off your extremities is ****ing stupid.

Beats dying.

Having no fingers and toes means you won't survive in the future, as you can't hunt for food anymore.

You need those to walk on, therefore they are as important as your "vital
organs".

Even more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

Do you actually have a point? How do you think you're going to catch your next meal if you can't walk?

You'll find they are more likely to get blood flow if you're using them
too.

Yes, most of those that do get frostbite of their extremitys
get that at night when they arent using them. Not always tho.

They're wimps.

--
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"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:02:43 -0000, Dave Liquorice
wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 11:55:23 -0000, Uncle Peter wrote:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, .
You might shiver if you were naked, but the
shivering will stop you getting any colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull****
and he should be sent to the funny farm, but is
there an element of truth in what he said?....

Nope. Its certainly possible to be quite active when
naked in -20C air and do fine, but just standing there
naked and shivering wont let you survive for long.

Quite shivering (proper shivering not what most people think of as
shivering) is the bodies attempt at trying to maintain your core
temperature. It might be able to depending on the rate of heat loss
but naked in, even still, -20 C air you won't be able to generate
enough heat and your core temp will drop, you'll stop shivering, you
may even feel quite warm (so much so that people falling into
hypothermia may take their clothes off), then you drift off to
sleep...

You'd have to be an utter wimp with a dose of the flu, or 95 years old to
not be able to create enough heat for that, especially as you've reduced
blood flow to the surface of your skin (on your entire body), and your
brown fat cells are creating heat aswell.

Must be why no one ever dies of hypothermia.

Active or not it doesn't matter. Shivering replaces active, it's the
same thing, your muscles are moving. You also have reduced blood flow
to the surface (all of you, not just your fingers and toes and other
sticky out things), and brown fat cells which generate heat directly
from calories.

Yup, which leads to frostbite on your extremities.

Your body won't allow that if you have a reasonably fit body. I've gone
hillwalking barefoot in the snow. My feet go cold and numb at first,
then eventually they go red and warm up again.

Keep barefoot in that snow for a few hours and see what happens. What
temperature was that snow at? Fresh dry powder snow can be very cold,
think in the terms of -40 C ...

It was all day,

Bull****.

and on a few occasions it was snowing and quite windy. And I wasn't
wearing a shirt either. You don't get -40C snow in the UK. In fact wet
slushy snow is colder,

Bull****.

as the water contacts your whole foot and stays there. Frozen snow
conducts less heat away.

But its still perfectly possible to get frostbite if
you are stupid enough to try sleeping with your
bare feet in a snow drift.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 23:58:14 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:02:43 -0000, Dave Liquorice
wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 11:55:23 -0000, Uncle Peter wrote:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, .
You might shiver if you were naked, but the
shivering will stop you getting any colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull****
and he should be sent to the funny farm, but is
there an element of truth in what he said?....

Nope. Its certainly possible to be quite active when
naked in -20C air and do fine, but just standing there
naked and shivering wont let you survive for long.

Quite shivering (proper shivering not what most people think of as
shivering) is the bodies attempt at trying to maintain your core
temperature. It might be able to depending on the rate of heat loss
but naked in, even still, -20 C air you won't be able to generate
enough heat and your core temp will drop, you'll stop shivering, you
may even feel quite warm (so much so that people falling into
hypothermia may take their clothes off), then you drift off to
sleep...

You'd have to be an utter wimp with a dose of the flu, or 95 years old to
not be able to create enough heat for that, especially as you've reduced
blood flow to the surface of your skin (on your entire body), and your
brown fat cells are creating heat aswell.

Must be why no one ever dies of hypothermia.

As I said before, that's a generic term when the doctors can't be bothered working out why they really died. For example someone in icy water died, they must have been cold. Er.... maybe they drowned? Starved to death? Dehydrated?

Active or not it doesn't matter. Shivering replaces active, it's the
same thing, your muscles are moving. You also have reduced blood flow
to the surface (all of you, not just your fingers and toes and other
sticky out things), and brown fat cells which generate heat directly
from calories.

Yup, which leads to frostbite on your extremities.

Your body won't allow that if you have a reasonably fit body. I've gone
hillwalking barefoot in the snow. My feet go cold and numb at first,
then eventually they go red and warm up again.

Keep barefoot in that snow for a few hours and see what happens. What
temperature was that snow at? Fresh dry powder snow can be very cold,
think in the terms of -40 C ...

It was all day,

Bull****.

Not bull****. I never wear shoes when out walking. I want to feel the scenery, not just see it.

Why is hypothermia even a word in Australia anyway? It's hot over there, you don't even get snow!

and on a few occasions it was snowing and quite windy. And I wasn't
wearing a shirt either. You don't get -40C snow in the UK. In fact wet
slushy snow is colder,

Bull****.

Which part?

as the water contacts your whole foot and stays there. Frozen snow
conducts less heat away.

But its still perfectly possible to get frostbite if
you are stupid enough to try sleeping with your
bare feet in a snow drift.

Not if you have decent circulation.

--
What has four legs, is big, green, fuzzy, and if it fell out of a tree would kill you?
A pool table.

Uncle Peter wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
Dave Liquorice wrote
Uncle Peter wrote

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, .
You might shiver if you were naked, but the
shivering will stop you getting any colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull****
and he should be sent to the funny farm, but is
there an element of truth in what he said?....

Nope. Its certainly possible to be quite active when
naked in -20C air and do fine, but just standing there
naked and shivering wont let you survive for long.

Quite shivering (proper shivering not what most people think of as
shivering) is the bodies attempt at trying to maintain your core
temperature. It might be able to depending on the rate of heat loss
but naked in, even still, -20 C air you won't be able to generate
enough heat and your core temp will drop, you'll stop shivering, you
may even feel quite warm (so much so that people falling into
hypothermia may take their clothes off), then you drift off to sleep...

You'd have to be an utter wimp with a dose of the flu, or 95 years old
to
not be able to create enough heat for that, especially as you've reduced
blood flow to the surface of your skin (on your entire body), and your
brown fat cells are creating heat aswell.

Must be why no one ever dies of hypothermia.

As I said before, that's a generic term when the doctors can't be bothered
working out why they really died.

Even sillier and even more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

For example someone in icy water died, they must have been cold. Er....
maybe they drowned?

Its trivially easy to work out whether they drowned or not.

Starved to death?

Its trivially easy to work out whether they starved to death or not.

Dehydrated?

Its trivially easy to work out whether they dehydrated to death or not.

Active or not it doesn't matter. Shivering replaces active, it's
the
same thing, your muscles are moving. You also have reduced blood
flow to the surface (all of you, not just your fingers and toes and
other sticky out things), and brown fat cells which generate heat
directly from calories.

Yup, which leads to frostbite on your extremities.

Your body won't allow that if you have a reasonably fit body. I've
gone hillwalking barefoot in the snow. My feet go cold and numb at
first, then eventually they go red and warm up again.

Keep barefoot in that snow for a few hours and see what happens. What
temperature was that snow at? Fresh dry powder snow can be very cold,
think in the terms of -40 C ...

It was all day,

Bull****.

Not bull****.

Complete and utter bull**** and a pathetic excuse for a troll.

I never wear shoes when out walking. I want to feel the scenery, not just
see it.

Complete and utter bull**** and a pathetic excuse for a troll.

Why is hypothermia even a word in Australia anyway? It's hot over there,
you don't even get snow!

Complete and utter bull**** and a pathetic excuse for a troll.

and on a few occasions it was snowing and quite windy. And I wasn't
wearing a shirt either. You don't get -40C snow in the UK. In fact wet
slushy snow is colder,

Bull****.

Which part?

The last part, that's why I put the comment there, stupid.

as the water contacts your whole foot and stays there. Frozen snow
conducts less heat away.

But its still perfectly possible to get frostbite if
you are stupid enough to try sleeping with your
bare feet in a snow drift.

Not if you have decent circulation.

Must be why no one ever gets frostbite
on Everest or when in the Arctic or Antarctic.

On 01/11/2014 00:06, Uncle Peter wrote:

Why is hypothermia even a word in Australia anyway? It's hot over
there, you don't even get snow!

Despite the probability of feeding a couple of trolls, I have to say
that it snowed when we were on a November trip to the Blue Mountains.

--
F

On 01/11/2014 10:28, F wrote:
On 01/11/2014 00:06, Uncle Peter wrote:

Why is hypothermia even a word in Australia anyway? It's hot over
there, you don't even get snow!

Despite the probability of feeding a couple of trolls, I have to say
that it snowed when we were on a November trip to the Blue Mountains.

It's a misconception that snow doesn't fall in Australia. The climate
varies a lot depending what part.

Snow

"In Australia, snow falls frequently on the highlands near the east
coast, in the states of Victoria, New South Wales and Tasmania and in
the Australian Capital Territory. There is a regular snow season in
several areas which have seasonal ski tourism industries. Snow also
falls with some regularity as far north as Stanthorpe, Queensland and in
isolated parts of South Australia and Western Australia"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Australia#Snow

On 31/10/2014 13:44, whisky-dave wrote:
The brain is pretty vital. Well most peoples are.;-)

An interesting aspect of blood flow and temperature occurs in the
hunting reaction:

Vasoconstriction occurs first to reduce heat loss, but also results in
strong cooling of the extremities. Approximately five to ten minutes
after the start of cold exposure, the blood vessels in the extremities
will suddenly vasodilate. This is probably caused by a sudden decrease
in the release of neurotransmitters from the sympathetic nerves to the
muscular coat of the arteriovenous anastomoses due to local cold. This
cold-induced vasodilation increases blood flow and subsequently the
temperature of the fingers. A new phase of vasoconstriction follows the
vasodilation, after which the process repeats itself.[1]

The hunting reaction is one out of four possible responses to immersion
of the finger in cold water. The other responses observed in the fingers
after immersion in cold water are a continuous state of
vasoconstriction, slow steady and continuous rewarming and a
proportional control form in which the blood vessel diameter remains
constant after an initial phase of vasoconstriction. However, the vast
majority of the vascular responses to immersion of the finger in cold
water can be classified as the hunting reaction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_reaction

--
Rod

On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 10:28:10 -0000, F news@nowhere wrote:

On 01/11/2014 00:06, Uncle Peter wrote:

Why is hypothermia even a word in Australia anyway? It's hot over
there, you don't even get snow!

Despite the probability of feeding a couple of trolls, I have to say
that it snowed when we were on a November trip to the Blue Mountains.

It doesn't bother the New Zealanders.
http://www.petersphotos.com/temp/winter038.jpg

--
Life is a sexually transmitted infection.

Uncle Peter wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Uncle Peter wrote

2 degrees is required to MAKE you shiver. This (along with reduced
blood flow to your skin and brown fat cells becoming active) prevents
it going much further. You need to lose 17C to die.

and you will die, shivering just means you might last a little longer.

It's very difficult to lose 17C.

Bull****. Very easy if you are stark naked
and inactive in a strong wet wind at -20C

And you can shiver indefinitely as long as you don't starve

Bull****. If that was true, people wouldn't
die of hypothermia, and they do anyway.

(it does burn a lot of calories, and I've found
it an easy way to lose weight fast - you can
either just be cold, or even better be cold
while exercising, then you lose weight twofold).

My fingers don't mind the cold, they in fact go
RED to increase blood to them to prevent frostbite.

I would have thought everyone's does but I don;t
think that pre3vents frost bite, plenty of atric explorers
have experience frost bit and plenty choose top wear gloves.

It depends on how good your circulation is I guess.

Guess again.

I have no problems with cold fingers or toes.

Plenty do, they end up with frostbite.

"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:37:32 -0000, whisky-dave
wrote:

On Friday, 31 October 2014 11:55:27 UTC, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 11:50:56 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/10/2014 11:46, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:05:33 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:

Bod wrote

Uncle Peter made this incredible statement:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, .
You might shiver if you were naked, but the
shivering will stop you getting any colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull****
and he should be sent to the funny farm, but is
there an element of truth in what he said?....

Nope. Its certainly possible to be quite active when
naked in -20C air and do fine, but just standing there
naked and shivering wont let you survive for long.

Active or not it doesn't matter. Shivering replaces active, it's the
same thing, your muscles are moving. You also have reduced blood
flow
to the surface (all of you, not just your fingers and toes and other
sticky out things), and brown fat cells which generate heat directly
from calories.

Yup, which leads to frostbite on your extremities.

Your body won't allow that if you have a reasonably fit body.

your body doesn;t get the choice.

Your body is actually very resilient and can adjust blood flow to make
heat go anywhere it wants.

Must be why so many get frostbite on Everest, in the Arctic and Antarctic
etc.

I've gone hillwalking barefoot in the snow. My feet go cold and numb at
first, then eventually they go red and warm up again.

and then your brain freezes and you post to usenet ;-)

I've never had a problem with my brain not working when I'm cold.

We can all see that it has never worked.

Or drunk for that matter, maybe some people have weak brains.

Or maybe you're a pathetic excuse for a troll.

On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 00:35:32 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:

Uncle Peter wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Uncle Peter wrote

2 degrees is required to MAKE you shiver. This (along with reduced
blood flow to your skin and brown fat cells becoming active) prevents
it going much further. You need to lose 17C to die.

and you will die, shivering just means you might last a little longer.

It's very difficult to lose 17C.

Bull****. Very easy if you are stark naked
and inactive in a strong wet wind at -20C

You have three ways to keep warm without moving. Four if you have a friend with you.

And you can shiver indefinitely as long as you don't starve

Bull****. If that was true, people wouldn't
die of hypothermia, and they do anyway.

Do they? Or do people just say they died of cold without looking into the real reason? Like saying someone "died of old age". You can't - there's always a specific reason, like heart failure.

(it does burn a lot of calories, and I've found
it an easy way to lose weight fast - you can
either just be cold, or even better be cold
while exercising, then you lose weight twofold).

My fingers don't mind the cold, they in fact go
RED to increase blood to them to prevent frostbite.

I would have thought everyone's does but I don;t
think that pre3vents frost bite, plenty of atric explorers
have experience frost bit and plenty choose top wear gloves.

It depends on how good your circulation is I guess.

Guess again.

I have no problems with cold fingers or toes.

Plenty do, they end up with frostbite.

Well I don't, so like I said, I have good circulation.

--
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 00:37:34 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:37:32 -0000, whisky-dave
wrote:

On Friday, 31 October 2014 11:55:27 UTC, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 11:50:56 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 31/10/2014 11:46, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:05:33 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:

Bod wrote

Uncle Peter made this incredible statement:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, .
You might shiver if you were naked, but the
shivering will stop you getting any colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull****
and he should be sent to the funny farm, but is
there an element of truth in what he said?....

Nope. Its certainly possible to be quite active when
naked in -20C air and do fine, but just standing there
naked and shivering wont let you survive for long.

Active or not it doesn't matter. Shivering replaces active, it's the
same thing, your muscles are moving. You also have reduced blood
flow
to the surface (all of you, not just your fingers and toes and other
sticky out things), and brown fat cells which generate heat directly
from calories.

Yup, which leads to frostbite on your extremities.

Your body won't allow that if you have a reasonably fit body.

your body doesn;t get the choice.

Your body is actually very resilient and can adjust blood flow to make
heat go anywhere it wants.

Must be why so many get frostbite on Everest, in the Arctic and Antarctic
etc.

Wimps.

I've gone hillwalking barefoot in the snow. My feet go cold and numb at
first, then eventually they go red and warm up again.

and then your brain freezes and you post to usenet ;-)

I've never had a problem with my brain not working when I'm cold.

We can all see that it has never worked.

You're as infamous as me in here.

Or drunk for that matter, maybe some people have weak brains.

Or maybe you're a pathetic excuse for a troll.

PKB.

--
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Uncle Peter wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Uncle Peter wrote

2 degrees is required to MAKE you shiver. This (along with reduced
blood flow to your skin and brown fat cells becoming active) prevents
it going much further. You need to lose 17C to die.

and you will die, shivering just means you might last a little longer.

It's very difficult to lose 17C.

Bull****. Very easy if you are stark naked
and inactive in a strong wet wind at -20C

You have three ways to keep warm without
moving. Four if you have a friend with you.

Irrelevant to how many die of hypothermia.

And you can shiver indefinitely as long as you don't starve

Bull****. If that was true, people wouldn't
die of hypothermia, and they do anyway.

Do they?

Corse they do.

Or do people just say they died of cold
without looking into the real reason?

Nope. Its trivially easy to see what the real reason is.

Like saying someone "died of old age".

Nothing like in fact.

You can't - there's always a specific reason, like heart failure.

Irrelevant to whether it was the hypothermia that killed them.

(it does burn a lot of calories, and I've found
it an easy way to lose weight fast - you can
either just be cold, or even better be cold
while exercising, then you lose weight twofold).

My fingers don't mind the cold, they in fact go
RED to increase blood to them to prevent frostbite.

I would have thought everyone's does but I don;t
think that pre3vents frost bite, plenty of atric explorers
have experience frost bit and plenty choose top wear gloves.

It depends on how good your circulation is I guess.

Guess again.

I have no problems with cold fingers or toes.

Plenty do, they end up with frostbite.

Well I don't,

You would if you were actually stupid enough
to try sleeping in a snow drift when starkers.

so like I said, I have good circulation.

Bull****. You've just been active when you tried it.

Perfectly possible to swim in a hole in the ice.

Try sleeping in a snow drift starkers and you will die.

Uncle Peter wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
Bod wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Bod wrote

Uncle Peter made this incredible statement:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, .
You might shiver if you were naked, but the
shivering will stop you getting any colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull****
and he should be sent to the funny farm, but is
there an element of truth in what he said?....

Nope. Its certainly possible to be quite active when
naked in -20C air and do fine, but just standing there
naked and shivering wont let you survive for long.

Active or not it doesn't matter. Shivering replaces active, it's
the
same thing, your muscles are moving. You also have reduced blood
flow to the surface (all of you, not just your fingers and toes and
other
sticky out things), and brown fat cells which generate heat directly
from calories.

Yup, which leads to frostbite on your extremities.

Your body won't allow that if you have a reasonably fit body.

your body doesn;t get the choice.

Your body is actually very resilient and can adjust blood flow to make
heat go anywhere it wants.

Must be why so many get frostbite on Everest, in the Arctic and Antarctic
etc.

Wimps.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

I've gone hillwalking barefoot in the snow. My feet go cold and numb
at first, then eventually they go red and warm up again.

and then your brain freezes and you post to usenet ;-)

I've never had a problem with my brain not working when I'm cold.

We can all see that it has never worked.

You're as infamous as me in here.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

Or drunk for that matter, maybe some people have weak brains.

Or maybe you're a pathetic excuse for a troll.

PKB.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 09:09:17 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:

Uncle Peter wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
Bod wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Bod wrote

Uncle Peter made this incredible statement:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, .
You might shiver if you were naked, but the
shivering will stop you getting any colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull****
and he should be sent to the funny farm, but is
there an element of truth in what he said?....

Nope. Its certainly possible to be quite active when
naked in -20C air and do fine, but just standing there
naked and shivering wont let you survive for long.

Active or not it doesn't matter. Shivering replaces active, it's
the
same thing, your muscles are moving. You also have reduced blood
flow to the surface (all of you, not just your fingers and toes and
other
sticky out things), and brown fat cells which generate heat directly
from calories.

Yup, which leads to frostbite on your extremities.

Your body won't allow that if you have a reasonably fit body.

your body doesn;t get the choice.

Your body is actually very resilient and can adjust blood flow to make
heat go anywhere it wants.

Must be why so many get frostbite on Everest, in the Arctic and Antarctic
etc.

Wimps.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

I wouldn't freeze to death in one either.

I've gone hillwalking barefoot in the snow. My feet go cold and numb
at first, then eventually they go red and warm up again.

and then your brain freezes and you post to usenet ;-)

I've never had a problem with my brain not working when I'm cold.

We can all see that it has never worked.

You're as infamous as me in here.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

You think people don't believe you're a troll? It's been mentioned a couple of times in the last few days.

--
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Uncle Peter wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
Bod wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Bod wrote

Uncle Peter made this incredible statement:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, .
You might shiver if you were naked, but the
shivering will stop you getting any colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull****
and he should be sent to the funny farm, but is
there an element of truth in what he said?....

Nope. Its certainly possible to be quite active when
naked in -20C air and do fine, but just standing there
naked and shivering wont let you survive for long.

Active or not it doesn't matter. Shivering replaces active, it's
the same thing, your muscles are moving. You also have reduced
blood flow to the surface (all of you, not just your fingers and
toes and other sticky out things), and brown fat cells which
generate heat directly from calories.

Yup, which leads to frostbite on your extremities.

Your body won't allow that if you have a reasonably fit body.

your body doesn;t get the choice.

Your body is actually very resilient and can adjust blood flow to make
heat go anywhere it wants.

Must be why so many get frostbite on Everest, in the Arctic and
Antarctic etc.

Wimps.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

I wouldn't freeze to death in one either.

Bull****.

I've gone hillwalking barefoot in the snow. My feet go cold and
numb
at first, then eventually they go red and warm up again.

and then your brain freezes and you post to usenet ;-)

I've never had a problem with my brain not working when I'm cold.

We can all see that it has never worked.

You're as infamous as me in here.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

You think people don't believe you're a troll?

Fools abound.

It's been mentioned a couple of times in the last few days.

About you.

On Friday, 31 October 2014 04:56:48 UTC, Bod wrote:
Uncle Peter made this incredible statement:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, . You might shiver
if you were naked, but the shivering will stop you getting any colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull**** and he should be
sent to the funny farm, but is there an element of truth in what he
said?....Anyone know?

It could be complete rubbish but I've been out in Poland when it was -17 but very dry, sunny and no wind. I ended up having to undo my coat whilst I was walking to the office. May be our perception of how cold something is is affected by the wet windy weather we get in the UK.

On 02/11/2014 10:47, matthelliwell wrote:
On Friday, 31 October 2014 04:56:48 UTC, Bod wrote:
Uncle Peter made this incredible statement:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, . You might shiver
if you were naked, but the shivering will stop you getting any colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull**** and he should be
sent to the funny farm, but is there an element of truth in what he
said?....Anyone know?

It could be complete rubbish but I've been out in Poland when it was -17 but very dry, sunny and no wind. I ended up having to undo my coat whilst I was walking to the office. May be our perception of how cold something is is affected by the wet windy weather we get in the UK.

Humidity and wind have huge impacts. Add a bit of direct IR from a
bright sun...

--
Rod

On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 11:45:23 -0000, polygonum wrote:

On 02/11/2014 10:47, matthelliwell wrote:
On Friday, 31 October 2014 04:56:48 UTC, Bod wrote:
Uncle Peter made this incredible statement:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, . You might shiver
if you were naked, but the shivering will stop you getting any colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull**** and he should be
sent to the funny farm, but is there an element of truth in what he
said?....Anyone know?

It could be complete rubbish but I've been out in Poland when it was -17 but very dry, sunny and no wind. I ended up having to undo my coat whilst I was walking to the office. May be our perception of how cold something is is affected by the wet windy weather we get in the UK.

Humidity and wind have huge impacts. Add a bit of direct IR from a
bright sun...

It's sunny here.... https://www.dropbox.com/s/osyx42c5b5...-%20h.mpg?dl=0

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On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 10:47:34 -0000, matthelliwell wrote:

On Friday, 31 October 2014 04:56:48 UTC, Bod wrote:
Uncle Peter made this incredible statement:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, . You might shiver
if you were naked, but the shivering will stop you getting any colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull**** and he should be
sent to the funny farm, but is there an element of truth in what he
said?....Anyone know?

It could be complete rubbish but I've been out in Poland when it was -17 but very dry, sunny and no wind. I ended up having to undo my coat whilst I was walking to the office. May be our perception of how cold something is is affected by the wet windy weather we get in the UK.

Our perception is affected by how wimpy we are. People confuse comfort with necessity. Just look at things like "essential selection of music" on adverts.

It beats me why people think you can't survive all night at a certain temperature, when you're fine in it for an hour. You'll have reached a temperature equilibrium by then.

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"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 10:47:34 -0000, matthelliwell
wrote:

On Friday, 31 October 2014 04:56:48 UTC, Bod wrote:
Uncle Peter made this incredible statement:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, . You might shiver
if you were naked, but the shivering will stop you getting any colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull**** and he should be
sent to the funny farm, but is there an element of truth in what he
said?....Anyone know?

It could be complete rubbish but I've been out in Poland when it was -17
but very dry, sunny and no wind. I ended up having to undo my coat whilst
I was walking to the office. May be our perception of how cold something
is is affected by the wet windy weather we get in the UK.

Our perception is affected by how wimpy we are. People confuse comfort
with necessity. Just look at things like "essential selection of music"
on adverts.

It beats me why people think you can't survive all night at a certain
temperature, when you're fine in it for an hour.

Because moving energetically for an hour is
completely different to sleeping all night.

You'll have reached a temperature equilibrium by then.

Wrong, as always.

On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 20:00:33 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Uncle Peter" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 10:47:34 -0000, matthelliwell
wrote:

On Friday, 31 October 2014 04:56:48 UTC, Bod wrote:
Uncle Peter made this incredible statement:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, . You might shiver
if you were naked, but the shivering will stop you getting any colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull**** and he should be
sent to the funny farm, but is there an element of truth in what he
said?....Anyone know?

It could be complete rubbish but I've been out in Poland when it was -17
but very dry, sunny and no wind. I ended up having to undo my coat whilst
I was walking to the office. May be our perception of how cold something
is is affected by the wet windy weather we get in the UK.

Our perception is affected by how wimpy we are. People confuse comfort
with necessity. Just look at things like "essential selection of music"
on adverts.

It beats me why people think you can't survive all night at a certain
temperature, when you're fine in it for an hour.

Because moving energetically for an hour is
completely different to sleeping all night.

I never said anything about moving. I was comparing sitting still for an hour to sitting still all night.

--
A budget is just a method of worrying before you spend money, as well as afterwards.

Uncle Peter wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
matthelliwell wrote
Bod wrote

Uncle Peter made this incredible statement:

"This is a fact. -20C air does not make you cold, . You might
shiver
if you were naked, but the shivering will stop you getting any
colder".

To me, it sounds like he's talking absolute bull**** and he should
be
sent to the funny farm, but is there an element of truth in what he
said?....Anyone know?

It could be complete rubbish but I've been out in Poland when it
was -17
but very dry, sunny and no wind. I ended up having to undo my coat
whilst
I was walking to the office. May be our perception of how cold
something
is is affected by the wet windy weather we get in the UK.

Our perception is affected by how wimpy we are. People confuse comfort
with necessity. Just look at things like "essential selection of music"
on adverts.

It beats me why people think you can't survive all night at a certain
temperature, when you're fine in it for an hour.

Because moving energetically for an hour is
completely different to sleeping all night.

I never said anything about moving.

What you said is completely irrelevant.

I was comparing sitting still for an hour to sitting still all night.

How odd that so many who have ended up with frostbite have
done fine for an hour and have ended up with frostbite over night.

On Friday, 31 October 2014 13:50:43 UTC, Uncle Peter wrote:


Your body is actually very resilient and can adjust blood flow to make heat go anywhere it wants.

Not that resilient, plenty have died from the cold.


I've gone hillwalking barefoot in the snow. My feet go cold and numb at first, then eventually they go red and warm up again.

and then your brain freezes and you post to usenet ;-)

I've never had a problem with my brain not working when I'm cold. Or drunk for that matter, maybe some people have weak brains.

Maybe the problem is not knowing that your brain isn't working.

whisky-dave wrote:

Maybe the problem is not knowing that your brain isn't working.

I used to thing that my brain was the most important organ in my body, then
I remembered who was telling me this....

Tim

On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 14:02:25 -0000, whisky-dave wrote:

On Friday, 31 October 2014 13:50:43 UTC, Uncle Peter wrote:


Your body is actually very resilient and can adjust blood flow to make heat go anywhere it wants.

Not that resilient, plenty have died from the cold.

Alledgedly. People also alledgedly die of old age.

I've gone hillwalking barefoot in the snow. My feet go cold and numb at first, then eventually they go red and warm up again.

and then your brain freezes and you post to usenet ;-)

I've never had a problem with my brain not working when I'm cold. Or drunk for that matter, maybe some people have weak brains.

Maybe the problem is not knowing that your brain isn't working.

Well I have no harm come to me, my hands and feet work perfectly, and I'm always going off in the cold.

--
In a recent survey 40% found they didn't have time to answer the
question, 25% hung up the phone when the question was being
asked, 20% couldn't speak English, and 15% gave answers that
weren't asked.

On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 14:02:25 -0000, whisky-dave wrote:

On Friday, 31 October 2014 13:50:43 UTC, Uncle Peter wrote:


Your body is actually very resilient and can adjust blood flow to make heat go anywhere it wants.

Not that resilient, plenty have died from the cold.

Alledgedly. People also alledgedly die of old age.

I've gone hillwalking barefoot in the snow. My feet go cold and numb at first, then eventually they go red and warm up again.

and then your brain freezes and you post to usenet ;-)

I've never had a problem with my brain not working when I'm cold. Or drunk for that matter, maybe some people have weak brains.

Maybe the problem is not knowing that your brain isn't working.

Well I have no harm come to me, my hands and feet work perfectly, and I'm always going off in the cold.

--
In a recent survey 40% found they didn't have time to answer the
question, 25% hung up the phone when the question was being
asked, 20% couldn't speak English, and 15% gave answers that
weren't asked.

Uncle Peter wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Uncle Peter wrote

Your body is actually very resilient and can adjust
blood flow to make heat go anywhere it wants.

Not that resilient, plenty have died from the cold.

Alledgedly.

No allegedly about it. The Nazis even killed them
that way deliberately to work out the detail.

People also alledgedly die of old age.

Irrelevant to whether the cold can in fact kill you.

And all your posts are duplicates, again.

On 03/11/2014 22:32, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 14:02:25 -0000, whisky-dave
wrote:

On Friday, 31 October 2014 13:50:43 UTC, Uncle Peter wrote:


Your body is actually very resilient and can adjust blood flow to
make heat go anywhere it wants.

Not that resilient, plenty have died from the cold.

Alledgedly. People also alledgedly die of old age.

I've gone hillwalking barefoot in the snow. My feet go cold and
numb at first, then eventually they go red and warm up again.

and then your brain freezes and you post to usenet ;-)

I've never had a problem with my brain not working when I'm cold. Or
drunk for that matter, maybe some people have weak brains.

Maybe the problem is not knowing that your brain isn't working.

Well I have no harm come to me, my hands and feet work perfectly, and
I'm always going off in the cold.

Why are you posting everything twice? You've become Uncle Repeater.

On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 22:43:12 -0000, R.G. Bargy wrote:

On 03/11/2014 22:32, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 14:02:25 -0000, whisky-dave
wrote:

On Friday, 31 October 2014 13:50:43 UTC, Uncle Peter wrote:


Your body is actually very resilient and can adjust blood flow to
make heat go anywhere it wants.

Not that resilient, plenty have died from the cold.

Alledgedly. People also alledgedly die of old age.

I've gone hillwalking barefoot in the snow. My feet go cold and
numb at first, then eventually they go red and warm up again.

and then your brain freezes and you post to usenet ;-)

I've never had a problem with my brain not working when I'm cold. Or
drunk for that matter, maybe some people have weak brains.

Maybe the problem is not knowing that your brain isn't working.

Well I have no harm come to me, my hands and feet work perfectly, and
I'm always going off in the cold.

Why are you posting everything twice? You've become Uncle Repeater.

What a stupid question. There is no reason anyone would post anything twice. It's clearly (to anyone with any intelligence) a technical error.

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Woman: "Why do you ask?"
Man: "I can see myself in your pants."

On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 22:41:56 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:

Uncle Peter wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Uncle Peter wrote

Your body is actually very resilient and can adjust
blood flow to make heat go anywhere it wants.

Not that resilient, plenty have died from the cold.

Alledgedly.

No allegedly about it. The Nazis even killed them
that way deliberately to work out the detail.

If I placed you in liquid nitrogen I could kill you from cold. But natural cold doesn't kill. We've evolved to live on our planet.

People also alledgedly die of old age.

Irrelevant to whether the cold can in fact kill you.

It's completely relevant. Both are things which don't kill.

And all your posts are duplicates, again.

See my other reply to that stupid comment.

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"All the other women in the office are suing you for sexual harassment.
"Since you haven't sexually harassed me, I'm suing you for discrimination."

Uncle Peter wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Uncle Peter wrote

Your body is actually very resilient and can adjust
blood flow to make heat go anywhere it wants.

Not that resilient, plenty have died from the cold.

Alledgedly.

No allegedly about it. The Nazis even killed them
that way deliberately to work out the detail.

If I placed you in liquid nitrogen I could kill
you from cold. But natural cold doesn't kill.

Even you should be able to manage better than
that pathetic excuse for a troll. Obviously not.

We've evolved to live on our planet.

And still die of heat stress and of hypothermia anyway.

People also alledgedly die of old age.

Irrelevant to whether the cold can in fact kill you.

It's completely relevant. Both are things which don't kill.

Wrong, as always.

And all your posts are duplicates, again.

See my other reply to that stupid comment.

Just as useless as all your other comments.

On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 23:56:53 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:

Uncle Peter wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Uncle Peter wrote

Your body is actually very resilient and can adjust
blood flow to make heat go anywhere it wants.

Not that resilient, plenty have died from the cold.

Alledgedly.

No allegedly about it. The Nazis even killed them
that way deliberately to work out the detail.

If I placed you in liquid nitrogen I could kill
you from cold. But natural cold doesn't kill.

Even you should be able to manage better than
that pathetic excuse for a troll. Obviously not.

I'm not trolling, I'm using logic and reasoning instead of believing hand me down ****e you've come to believe.

We've evolved to live on our planet.

And still die of heat stress and of hypothermia anyway.

No.

People also alledgedly die of old age.

Irrelevant to whether the cold can in fact kill you.

It's completely relevant. Both are things which don't kill.

Wrong, as always.

Not.

And all your posts are duplicates, again.

See my other reply to that stupid comment.

Just as useless as all your other comments.

PKB.

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I've had this odd feeling for a little while. It's a surrealistically subconscious feeling that I was abducted by aliens and thoroughly probed.
Then a friend of mine told me they got me really drunk and dropped me off at a gay bar.
The *******s.

Uncle Peter wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Uncle Peter wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Uncle Peter wrote

Your body is actually very resilient and can adjust
blood flow to make heat go anywhere it wants.

Not that resilient, plenty have died from the cold.

Alledgedly.

No allegedly about it. The Nazis even killed them
that way deliberately to work out the detail.

If I placed you in liquid nitrogen I could kill
you from cold. But natural cold doesn't kill.

Even you should be able to manage better than
that pathetic excuse for a troll. Obviously not.

I'm not trolling,

Obvious lie. Like with the other obvious lie about
only ever using fuses and never breakers and then
actually being stupid enough to try a very obvious
troll about a fluoro causing your breaker to buzz.

I'm using logic and reasoning

Obvious lie.

instead of believing hand me down ****e you've come to believe.

Nothing hand me down about the number
who do die of hypothermia when they end
and in very cold water and its completely
trivial to work out if they drowned or not.

We've evolved to live on our planet.

And still die of heat stress and of hypothermia anyway.

No.

Yep.

People also alledgedly die of old age.

Irrelevant to whether the cold can in fact kill you.

It's completely relevant. Both are things which don't kill.

Wrong, as always.

Not.

Yep.

And all your posts are duplicates, again.

See my other reply to that stupid comment.

Just as useless as all your other comments.

PKB.

You never could bull**** and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.