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I have no paperwork at all. All I have is a car with an NI number plate and
the keys. Any ideas? All the DVLA website says is "contact the DVLA" -- Adam |
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ARW wrote:
I have no paperwork at all. All I have is a car with an NI number plate and the keys. Any ideas? All the DVLA website says is "contact the DVLA" Have you nicked it or has someone given it you to settle a debt or what? Or should I mind my own business? Bill |
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On 14/03/2013 18:14, ARW wrote:
I have no paperwork at all. All I have is a car with an NI number plate and the keys. Any ideas? All the DVLA website says is "contact the DVLA" All I know is that they have a very different way of handling MoTs there. -- Rod |
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Bill Wright wrote:
ARW wrote: I have no paperwork at all. All I have is a car with an NI number plate and the keys. Any ideas? All the DVLA website says is "contact the DVLA" Have you nicked it or has someone given it you to settle a debt or what? Or should I mind my own business? I found it. -- Adam |
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On 14/03/2013 18:14, ARW wrote: I have no paperwork at all. All I have is a car with an NI number plate and the keys. Any ideas? All the DVLA website says is "contact the DVLA" All I know is that they have a very different way of handling MoTs there. I am assuming that it does not have an MOT of any sort. -- Adam |
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:47:24 +0000, ARW wrote:
I have no paperwork at all. All I have is a car with an NI number plate and the keys. Any ideas? All the DVLA website says is "contact the DVLA" Have you nicked it or has someone given it you to settle a debt or what? Or should I mind my own business? I found it. Park it somewhere WELL away from your house for a few days. Then contact http://www.dvlni.gov.uk in the first instance. |
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"ARW" writes:
Bill Wright wrote: ARW wrote: I have no paperwork at all. All I have is a car with an NI number plate and the keys. Any ideas? All the DVLA website says is "contact the DVLA" Have you nicked it or has someone given it you to settle a debt or what? Or should I mind my own business? I found it. I don't know if there is anything special about cars, but I'd imagine the DVLA would refuse to register it in your name unless you have legal ownershop. Things that can be traced back to a previous owner aren't immediately yours even if you find them [1]. Of course, the previous owner may no longer exist or even want the item in which case I think the police have to formally assign you ownership. [1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8129534.stm -- Swish - Easy SFTP for Windows Explorer (http://www.swish-sftp.org) |
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Adrian wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:47:24 +0000, ARW wrote: I have no paperwork at all. All I have is a car with an NI number plate and the keys. Any ideas? All the DVLA website says is "contact the DVLA" Have you nicked it or has someone given it you to settle a debt or what? Or should I mind my own business? I found it. Park it somewhere WELL away from your house for a few days. Then contact http://www.dvlni.gov.uk in the first instance. It's been parked up in a disused warehouse for at least the last two years (at a guess). It's still there. And it did start with the help of some jump leads. -- Adam |
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On 14/03/2013 19:02, ARW wrote:
It's been parked up in a disused warehouse for at least the last two years (at a guess). It's still there. And it did start with the help of some jump leads. At a guess, you are Woody Allen, and the car is a VW Beetle? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctin21yrfcA |
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:58:55 +0000, Alexander Lamaison wrote:
I don't know if there is anything special about cars, but I'd imagine the DVLA would refuse to register it in your name unless you have legal ownershop. And how do you propose to prove that? The nearest I can think of for anything other than a house (with Land Registry registration being proof) is for... cars... where a logbook (which specifically breaks the link to "ownership") would normally count. |
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GB wrote:
On 14/03/2013 19:02, ARW wrote: It's been parked up in a disused warehouse for at least the last two years (at a guess). It's still there. And it did start with the help of some jump leads. At a guess, you are Woody Allen, and the car is a VW Beetle? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctin21yrfcA The sad news is that it is a VW Golf and not a VW Beetle. The new warehouse owner says I can have the Golf. -- Adam |
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On Mar 14, 6:14 pm, "ARW" wrote:
I have no paperwork at all. All I have is a car with an NI number plate and the keys. Any ideas? All the DVLA website says is "contact the DVLA" -- Adam IIUC it may no longer technically be a NI "registered" car ? for some chavvy reason lots of NI numbers end up here transferred onto "mainland" cars e.g. BAZ1234 YAZ699 DAZ6666 etc has it got a tax disc of any sort or age? Jim K |
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Alexander Lamaison wrote: I don't know if there is anything special about cars, but I'd imagine the DVLA would refuse to register it in your name unless you have legal ownershop. Things that can be traced back to a previous owner aren't immediately yours even if you find them [1]. Of course, the previous owner may no longer exist or even want the item in which case I think the police have to formally assign you ownership. Think you'll find they will change the registration to your name quite easily. Their main purpose appears to be collecting the VED. -- *El nino made me do it Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Adrian writes:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:58:55 +0000, Alexander Lamaison wrote: I don't know if there is anything special about cars, but I'd imagine the DVLA would refuse to register it in your name unless you have legal ownershop. And how do you propose to prove that? You get the police involved. They look up the owner. He's dead or no longer wants the vehicle. The police assign ownership to you. Alex -- Swish - Easy SFTP for Windows Explorer (http://www.swish-sftp.org) |
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On 14/03/2013 19:31, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Alexander Lamaison wrote: I don't know if there is anything special about cars, but I'd imagine the DVLA would refuse to register it in your name unless you have legal ownershop. Things that can be traced back to a previous owner aren't immediately yours even if you find them [1]. Of course, the previous owner may no longer exist or even want the item in which case I think the police have to formally assign you ownership. Think you'll find they will change the registration to your name quite easily. Their main purpose appears to be collecting the VED. What happens re uncollected tax if no-one did a SORN? -- Rod |
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On Mar 14, 7:34 pm, Alexander Lamaison wrote:
Adrian writes: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:58:55 +0000, Alexander Lamaison wrote: I don't know if there is anything special about cars, but I'd imagine the DVLA would refuse to register it in your name unless you have legal ownershop. And how do you propose to prove that? You get the police involved. They look up the owner. He's dead or no longer wants the vehicle. The police assign ownership to you. oh dear.. could be a dead ender then.... Jim K |
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On Mar 14, 7:34 pm, polygonum wrote:
On 14/03/2013 19:31, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Alexander Lamaison wrote: I don't know if there is anything special about cars, but I'd imagine the DVLA would refuse to register it in your name unless you have legal ownershop. Things that can be traced back to a previous owner aren't immediately yours even if you find them [1]. Of course, the previous owner may no longer exist or even want the item in which case I think the police have to formally assign you ownership. Think you'll find they will change the registration to your name quite easily. Their main purpose appears to be collecting the VED. What happens re uncollected tax if no-one did a SORN? ISTR the notification of change of owner will be the 'trigger' to commence "SORN or tax" notifications Jim K |
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ARW wrote:
All I have is a car with an NI number plate and the keys. Buyer beware? I seem to remember something along the lines that a quick export to/re-import from NI is claimed to be a way to "cleanse" a car's history from the DVLA computers, maybe ask in the bikers group which is I think is where I heard this? |
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:34:02 +0000, Alexander Lamaison wrote:
I don't know if there is anything special about cars, but I'd imagine the DVLA would refuse to register it in your name unless you have legal ownershop. And how do you propose to prove that? You get the police involved. They look up the owner. With whom? |
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On 14/03/2013 19:14, ARW wrote:
GB wrote: On 14/03/2013 19:02, ARW wrote: It's been parked up in a disused warehouse for at least the last two years (at a guess). It's still there. And it did start with the help of some jump leads. At a guess, you are Woody Allen, and the car is a VW Beetle? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctin21yrfcA The sad news is that it is a VW Golf and not a VW Beetle. The new warehouse owner says I can have the Golf. If he puts that in writing, then that would be good enough for me. As another poster has intimated. A common ploy is to say to their insurance company their car has been stolen, but in reality store it away for a few years. I'm not sure if an HPI check would provide any help in this instance. |
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writes GB wrote: On 14/03/2013 19:02, ARW wrote: It's been parked up in a disused warehouse for at least the last two years (at a guess). It's still there. And it did start with the help of some jump leads. At a guess, you are Woody Allen, and the car is a VW Beetle? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctin21yrfcA The sad news is that it is a VW Golf and not a VW Beetle. The new warehouse owner says I can have the Golf. I've got one of those; taking up space in a barn. GTi mk3 no MOT and the abs warning light is on otherwise OK. Dead NiCads in the alarm shut down the engine management. It has taken me 2 years for the tuits to arrive:-( -- Tim Lamb |
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Adrian writes:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:34:02 +0000, Alexander Lamaison wrote: I don't know if there is anything special about cars, but I'd imagine the DVLA would refuse to register it in your name unless you have legal ownershop. And how do you propose to prove that? You get the police involved. They look up the owner. With whom? The DVLA(NI) :P Asuming the car has a number plate it will have a registered owner. -- Swish - Easy SFTP for Windows Explorer (http://www.swish-sftp.org) |
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:45:26 +0000, Alexander Lamaison wrote:
I don't know if there is anything special about cars, but I'd imagine the DVLA would refuse to register it in your name unless you have legal ownershop. And how do you propose to prove that? You get the police involved. They look up the owner. With whom? The DVLA(NI) :P Asuming the car has a number plate it will have a registered owner. Apart from the fact that it will have a registered _keeper_, not owner, and DVLA are quite distinct that that conveys nothing about the legal ownership, you seem to have just suggested that DVLA won't register the vehicle unless you get the police involved as some kind of an intermediary between DVLA and... DVLA. Not really thought that through, have you? |
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Adrian writes:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:45:26 +0000, Alexander Lamaison wrote: I don't know if there is anything special about cars, but I'd imagine the DVLA would refuse to register it in your name unless you have legal ownershop. And how do you propose to prove that? You get the police involved. They look up the owner. With whom? The DVLA(NI) :P Asuming the car has a number plate it will have a registered owner. Apart from the fact that it will have a registered _keeper_, not owner, and DVLA are quite distinct that that conveys nothing about the legal ownership, you seem to have just suggested that DVLA won't register the vehicle unless you get the police involved as some kind of an intermediary between DVLA and... DVLA. Strangely enough, yes. The DVLA hold the vehicle records but it's the police's responsibility to resolve issues of ownership for 'found' property. Maybe the DVLA have special procedures in place to resolve this kind of situation without the round-trip, in which case good on them, but I doubt it. Alex -- Swish - Easy SFTP for Windows Explorer (http://www.swish-sftp.org) |
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On 14/03/2013 22:49, Alexander Lamaison wrote:
Strangely enough, yes. The DVLA hold the vehicle records but it's the police's responsibility to resolve issues of ownership for 'found' property. Maybe the DVLA have special procedures in place to resolve this kind of situation without the round-trip, in which case good on them, but I doubt it. There was a thread yesterday on uk.legal.moderated about found property. Andy |
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Adrian wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:47:24 +0000, ARW wrote: I have no paperwork at all. All I have is a car with an NI number plate and the keys. Any ideas? All the DVLA website says is "contact the DVLA" Have you nicked it or has someone given it you to settle a debt or what? Or should I mind my own business? I found it. Park it somewhere WELL away from your house for a few days. Then contact http://www.dvlni.gov.uk in the first instance. Will do. I am going for the finders keepers. The worst thing that can happen is that it turns out the car is stolen/used in a murder etc. But what the Hell - I did not pinch it or kill anyone. And the car was not there when the warehouse was cleared out 2 years ago by the balliffs when the guy who owned it went under through no fault of his own (ie nothing criminal he was owed money by another company or two that had gone bust). -- Adam |
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Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , ARW writes GB wrote: On 14/03/2013 19:02, ARW wrote: It's been parked up in a disused warehouse for at least the last two years (at a guess). It's still there. And it did start with the help of some jump leads. At a guess, you are Woody Allen, and the car is a VW Beetle? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctin21yrfcA The sad news is that it is a VW Golf and not a VW Beetle. The new warehouse owner says I can have the Golf. I've got one of those; taking up space in a barn. GTi mk3 no MOT and the abs warning light is on otherwise OK. Dead NiCads in the alarm shut down the engine management. It has taken me 2 years for the tuits to arrive:-( My brother is a VW mechanic:-) -- Adam |
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ARW wrote: All I have is a car with an NI number plate and the keys. Buyer beware? I seem to remember something along the lines that a quick export to/re-import from NI is claimed to be a way to "cleanse" a car's history from the DVLA computers, maybe ask in the bikers group which is I think is where I heard this? The two vehicle licencing centres used to be separate. They are not now. |
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On Thursday, 14 March 2013 18:47:24 UTC, wrote:
I found it. Then how did you get the keys? |
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:31:57 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: Think you'll find they will change the registration to your name quite easily. Their main purpose appears to be collecting the VED. Indeed. I had a couple of abandoned cars in the past and simply registered them to me, telling the DVLA the facts. They didn't give a toss and sent me the new logbook with my name in it. Of course, if the PO had turned up, I'd have taken off the money I'd spent and given him it back, but it never happened. |
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 23:34:13 +0000, ARW wrote:
Then contact http://www.dvlni.gov.uk in the first instance. Will do. As somebody else has pointed out, it may well be a Nor'n Iron plate on a UK car - so just run it past http://www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk first to see if it's UK-reg or NI-reg. I've just run an Ulster mate's genuine, current Nor'n Iron plate through, and it comes back not known. But if that plate's been transferred to Swansea, it'll come back with the details. |
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Why should it matter I thought NI was part of the UK.
Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "ARW" wrote in message ... I have no paperwork at all. All I have is a car with an NI number plate and the keys. Any ideas? All the DVLA website says is "contact the DVLA" -- Adam |
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You found it? I'm sure you need to do a search for unresolved finance,
ownership etc, hence you contact the dvla I'd say. What a question, I'd have thought it was obvious. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "ARW" wrote in message ... Bill Wright wrote: ARW wrote: I have no paperwork at all. All I have is a car with an NI number plate and the keys. Any ideas? All the DVLA website says is "contact the DVLA" Have you nicked it or has someone given it you to settle a debt or what? Or should I mind my own business? I found it. -- Adam |
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Really? Obviously he has no way to prove he is the owner of it then, he just
wants to move the problem onto you, as he has no idea and wants it gone in case its hot. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "ARW" wrote in message ... GB wrote: On 14/03/2013 19:02, ARW wrote: It's been parked up in a disused warehouse for at least the last two years (at a guess). It's still there. And it did start with the help of some jump leads. At a guess, you are Woody Allen, and the car is a VW Beetle? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctin21yrfcA The sad news is that it is a VW Golf and not a VW Beetle. The new warehouse owner says I can have the Golf. -- Adam |
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writes Tim Lamb wrote: In message , ARW writes GB wrote: On 14/03/2013 19:02, ARW wrote: It's been parked up in a disused warehouse for at least the last two years (at a guess). It's still there. And it did start with the help of some jump leads. At a guess, you are Woody Allen, and the car is a VW Beetle? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctin21yrfcA The sad news is that it is a VW Golf and not a VW Beetle. The new warehouse owner says I can have the Golf. I've got one of those; taking up space in a barn. GTi mk3 no MOT and the abs warning light is on otherwise OK. Dead NiCads in the alarm shut down the engine management. It has taken me 2 years for the tuits to arrive:-( My brother is a VW mechanic:-) Perhaps he could put the two together? This one is registered at Swansea:-) -- Tim Lamb |
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On 14/03/13 22:49, Alexander Lamaison wrote:
Apart from the fact that it will have a registered_keeper_, not owner, and DVLA are quite distinct that that conveys nothing about the legal ownership, you seem to have just suggested that DVLA won't register the vehicle unless you get the police involved as some kind of an intermediary between DVLA and... DVLA. Strangely enough, yes. The DVLA hold the vehicle records but it's the police's responsibility to resolve issues of ownership for 'found' property. Maybe the DVLA have special procedures in place to resolve this kind of situation without the round-trip, in which case good on them, but I doubt it. The point is the DVLA don't care about ownership, only who is the 'keeper'. -- djc |
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On Friday, March 15, 2013 12:23:54 PM UTC, djc wrote:
On 14/03/13 22:49, Alexander Lamaison wrote: Quite possibly nicked, or maybe a cloned car wearing the plates from a scrapped car (so not apparently nicked from the registration number). DVLA should be contacted. Can you not report it to the police as found property? ISTR that the finder becomes the owner after 3 or 6 months. I read somewhere about a motorbike that was abandoned in a vacated rented flat. The landlord assumed ownership, spent money on bits and was using it.. At that point, the "owner" decided it was still his, reported it stolen, recovered it AND the landlord was convisted of TWOCing or some such. |
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Why should it matter I thought NI was part of the UK. They are not part of Great Britain. -- Adam |
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On Thursday, 14 March 2013 18:47:24 UTC, wrote: I found it. Then how did you get the keys? They were with the car. -- Adam |
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:31:57 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: Think you'll find they will change the registration to your name quite easily. Their main purpose appears to be collecting the VED. Indeed. I had a couple of abandoned cars in the past and simply registered them to me, telling the DVLA the facts. They didn't give a toss and sent me the new logbook with my name in it. I have done it before when working at rented houses when the last tenant has left the country ie gone back to Poland. But they were cars registered in England and a couple of times I actually had the logbook. -- Adam |
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