On Sep 1, 2:02*pm, "Thumper" wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message

...

Virgin is probably the fastest unless you go for BT Infinity, both are
faster due to the fibre optic to the closest possible point of course. The
snag with all of this is that often the net itself gets clogged up and one
cannot actually do much about that.

Something that niggles me is that I lose the connection at least 3 or 4
times a week. It's just a case of reconnecting to the router to get back on
line but I do wonder am I just losing the wireless link between my laptop
and the router

That happens to me (loss of wireless connection), but only with the
laptop (2 differemt ones in fact). Kids desktop with USB wireless
dongle is fine, but I have to reboot the modem/router to sort out the
lost connection.

Does it coincode with microwave oven use?

MBQ

In article , dennis@home
scribeth thus


"tony sayer" wrote in message
...

Well yes that is exactly what it is.
And its obviously the point I made that there is something wrong with the
sub if they are only getting 1Mb/s from Virgin cable.

So what do you think is wrong then?..

There are several obvious possibilities.
Maybe they are still using one of the STBs to get their broadband.
They were well known for only giving about 1M whichever service you paid
for.

The Older cable modems couldn't deliver much bandwidth either.

These must be very old ones then?. Surprised there're still in service..

I don't know if they have actually gone around replacing them but they
hadn't when I left a few years ago.

What left the cable company when you worked there?..


Then there are allsorts of possible problems with wireless.

Congestion..


But the most obvious is that they did the test after being throttled due to
using too much bandwidth.
IIRC 1M is one of the caps they impose on people they deem to be using their
connection too much.


However you appear to think I said there was something wrong with Virgin
cable and have gone all defensive.

Nope just telling it like it is..

However if you want me to list what's wrong with Virgin cable I can.

Go on then...

Contention.

Not a problem here and this connection gets hammered!..

Customer service.

No better or worse then the telecoms average but OTOH nowhere near as
good as someone like Zen Internet...

Erratic upgrades.

Well they have done what they said they would here around a month late
but it was very usable before it was upgraded..

Sometimes run out of IP addresses on a node

Well we're all running out of IP4 hence the move to IP6 ..

Poor connectivity with the rest of the net.

Not seen that..

Poor news server.

Who has got one?..

Abuse dept liable to cut you off if anyone complains about you, without
warning.

Eh?..

Caps and traffic shaping.

Not here that I've noticed..

Cost.

So 20 odd sheets a month for a line and 20 meg service thats delivered
at the said 20 not up to 20 ?, doesn't seem that bad to me..

You have to manually change modem settings to get the best from your
connection as Virgin seldom put you on the best channels for your area and
the channels change all the time.

What are you on about?. Theres nothing I can adjust in the current modem
or the one we had before that!..

Explain yourself please!..




--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...

8 loads of replies that aren't worth the effort of replying to.

What are you on about?. Theres nothing I can adjust in the current modem
or the one we had before that!..

Explain yourself please!..

There are lots of things that can be adjusted, if you know how.

In article , dennis@home
scribeth thus


"tony sayer" wrote in message
...

8 loads of replies that aren't worth the effort of replying to.

Course not Den, as theres no argument with any of them is there?..


What are you on about?. Theres nothing I can adjust in the current modem
or the one we had before that!..

Explain yourself please!..

There are lots of things that can be adjusted, if you know how.


How then, do tell?..

And what factors would you be adjusting then?..

--
Tony Sayer

On Sat, 1 Sep 2012 11:20:25 +0100, tony sayer wrote:

A TV transmitter shouldn't make much difference but MW ones will.
R4 Tyne 603, R5 Live 693, R Cumbria 756, R Scotland 810, R Cumbria
837, Talksport 1053 & 1089 are all currently putting dips in the
number of symbols that the carriers near those frequencies can carry.
Probably knocking 0.5 to 1Mbps off the sync speed.

Look on the bright side, the BBC are planning on shutting some MW Tx's
down soon...

I thought that had already happened for the few stations involved, none
of which are affecting my ADSL.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

Look on the bright side, the BBC are planning on shutting some MW Tx's
down soon...

I thought that had already happened for the few stations involved, none
of which are affecting my ADSL.

Brian mentioned they were still transmitting a loop of "retune to FM"
messages.

I get zero bits for the bin at 276KHz, thanks to talk sport, and only 2
bits for the bin at 375kHZ, which is surprising as Leicester is a fair
way from Scotland.

No dips for either of the R5L frequencies, which is surprising, might be
a different story at night.

My best bin is at 47kHz with 9 bits, with mainly 7 or 8 bits per bin up
to 439kHz, then it tails-off smoothly to 2 bits at 685kHz, no bins used
beyond there.

On 03/09/2012 12:34, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

Look on the bright side, the BBC are planning on shutting some MW Tx's
down soon...

I thought that had already happened for the few stations involved, none
of which are affecting my ADSL.

Brian mentioned they were still transmitting a loop of "retune to FM"
messages.

I get zero bits for the bin at 276KHz, thanks to talk sport, and only 2
bits for the bin at 375kHZ, which is surprising as Leicester is a fair
way from Scotland.

I presume 200kHz R4 LW is comprehensively trashed (or avoided entirely).

No dips for either of the R5L frequencies, which is surprising, might be
a different story at night.

My best bin is at 47kHz with 9 bits, with mainly 7 or 8 bits per bin up
to 439kHz, then it tails-off smoothly to 2 bits at 685kHz, no bins used
beyond there.

How do you get to see your channel profile in that much detail?

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 12:34:36 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

I get zero bits for the bin at 276KHz, thanks to talk sport,

276kHz has zero symbols for everyone, it's the downstream pilot
frequency. B-)

and only 2 bits for the bin at 375kHZ, which is surprising as Leicester
is a fair way from Scotland.

Donno what would be knocking out 375KHz, that's not in the MW broadcast
band (526kHz to 1606kHz). A google sort of indicates a non-directional
beacon but with locations in Iceland or Poland. I don't have any nasty
dips until the MW broadcast band starts. Occasionally R4 LW on 198kHz
makes a small dip.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Martin Brown wrote:

I presume 200kHz R4 LW is comprehensively trashed (or avoided entirely).

Not badly, 7 bits at 198kHz rather than 8 bits for surrounding bins

How do you get to see your channel profile in that much detail?

Easy to get from a Cisco router (though RouterStatsLite will do a
similar thing for many other routers).

# SHOW DSL INTERFACE AT0

which gives it in the rather terse format

DMT Bits Per Bin
00: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 5 6 8 9 8 8 8 8
10: 8 8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 5 4 0 0
20: 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 6 6 6 7 6 7 7 6 7
30: 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 6 7 6 7 6
40: 0 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 6 6 7 7 7 7
50: 7 6 5 5 7 7 2 7 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 7
60: 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6
70: 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4
80: 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 3
90: 3 3 3 4 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
A0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
B0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
C0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
D0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
E0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
F0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

But there are utils to display it as a graph

--== Reserved ==--
0.0000 KHz :
4.3125 KHz :
8.6250 KHz :
12.9375 KHz :
17.2500 KHz :
21.5625 KHz :
--== US ==--
Actual data rate: 544 Kbps, margin 6.0 dB (1.00 times 6 Db)
Maximum estimate: 555.10 Kbps
Transmit level 12.0 dBm, attenuation 31.5 dB
RS: 14 CRC: 11 Header: 0
25.8750 KHz :
30.1875 KHz : ...................*
34.5000 KHz : ...................*
38.8125 KHz : .......................*
43.1250 KHz : ...............................*
47.4375 KHz : ...................................*
51.7500 KHz : ...............................*
56.0625 KHz : ...............................*
60.3750 KHz : ...............................*
64.6875 KHz : ...............................*
69.0000 KHz : ...............................*
73.3125 KHz : ...............................*
77.6250 KHz : ...............................*
81.9375 KHz : ...............................*
86.2500 KHz : ...........................*
90.5625 KHz : ...........................*
94.8750 KHz : ...........................*
99.1875 KHz : ...........................*
103.5000 KHz : ...........................*
107.8125 KHz : ...........................*
112.1250 KHz : .......................*
116.4375 KHz : .......................*
120.7500 KHz : ...................*
125.0625 KHz : ...............*
129.3750 KHz :
133.6875 KHz :
138.0000 KHz :
142.3125 KHz :
146.6250 KHz :
150.9375 KHz :
155.2500 KHz :
159.5625 KHz :
--== DS ==--
Actual data rate: 2208 Kbps, margin 5.5 dB (0.89 times 6 Db)
Maximum estimate: 2230.30 Kbps
Transmit level 18.0 dBm, attenuation 56.0 dB
RS: 57405 CRC: 654 Header: 444
163.8750 KHz : ...................*
168.1875 KHz : .......................*
172.5000 KHz : .......................*
176.8125 KHz : .......................*
181.1250 KHz : ...........................*
185.4375 KHz : .......................*
189.7500 KHz : ...........................*
194.0625 KHz : ...........................*
198.3750 KHz : .......................*
202.6875 KHz : ...........................*
207.0000 KHz : ...........................*
211.3125 KHz : ...........................*
215.6250 KHz : ...........................*
219.9375 KHz : ...........................*
224.2500 KHz : ...........................*
228.5625 KHz : ...........................*
232.8750 KHz : ...........................*
237.1875 KHz : ...........................*
241.5000 KHz : ...........................*
245.8125 KHz : ...........................*
250.1250 KHz : ...........................*
254.4375 KHz : .......................*
258.7500 KHz : ...........................*
263.0625 KHz : .......................*
267.3750 KHz : ...........................*
271.6875 KHz : .......................*
276.0000 KHz :
280.3125 KHz : .......................*
284.6250 KHz : .......................*
288.9375 KHz : .......................*
293.2500 KHz : .......................*
297.5625 KHz : .......................*
301.8750 KHz : .......................*
306.1875 KHz : .......................*
310.5000 KHz : .......................*
314.8125 KHz : ...........................*
319.1250 KHz : .......................*
323.4375 KHz : .......................*
327.7500 KHz : ...........................*
332.0625 KHz : ...........................*
336.3750 KHz : ...........................*
340.6875 KHz : ...........................*
345.0000 KHz : ...........................*
349.3125 KHz : .......................*
353.6250 KHz : ...................*
357.9375 KHz : ...................*
362.2500 KHz : ...........................*
366.5625 KHz : ...........................*
370.8750 KHz : ...*
375.1875 KHz : ...........................*
379.5000 KHz : ...........................*
383.8125 KHz : ...........................*
388.1250 KHz : ...........................*
392.4375 KHz : ...........................*
396.7500 KHz : ...........................*
401.0625 KHz : .......................*
405.3750 KHz : .......................*
409.6875 KHz : ...........................*
414.0000 KHz : ...........................*
418.3125 KHz : ...........................*
422.6250 KHz : ...........................*
426.9375 KHz : ...........................*
431.2500 KHz : ...........................*
435.5625 KHz : ...........................*
439.8750 KHz : ...........................*
444.1875 KHz : .......................*
448.5000 KHz : .......................*
452.8125 KHz : .......................*
457.1250 KHz : .......................*
461.4375 KHz : .......................*
465.7500 KHz : .......................*
470.0625 KHz : .......................*
474.3750 KHz : .......................*
478.6875 KHz : .......................*
483.0000 KHz : ...........................*
487.3125 KHz : .......................*
491.6250 KHz : .......................*
495.9375 KHz : .......................*
500.2500 KHz : .......................*
504.5625 KHz : .......................*
508.8750 KHz : ...................*
513.1875 KHz : ...................*
517.5000 KHz : ...................*
521.8125 KHz : ...................*
526.1250 KHz : ...................*
530.4375 KHz : ...............*
534.7500 KHz : ...............*
539.0625 KHz : ...............*
543.3750 KHz : ...............*
547.6875 KHz : ...............*
552.0000 KHz : ...............*
556.3125 KHz : ...............*
560.6250 KHz : ...............*
564.9375 KHz : ...............*
569.2500 KHz : ...............*
573.5625 KHz : ...............*
577.8750 KHz : ...............*
582.1875 KHz : ...............*
586.5000 KHz : ...............*
590.8125 KHz : ...............*
595.1250 KHz : .......*
599.4375 KHz : .......*
603.7500 KHz : .......*
608.0625 KHz : .......*
612.3750 KHz : .......*
616.6875 KHz : .......*
621.0000 KHz : .......*
625.3125 KHz : .......*
629.6250 KHz : .......*
633.9375 KHz : ...............*
638.2500 KHz : .......*
642.5625 KHz : .......*
646.8750 KHz : ...*
651.1875 KHz : ...*
655.5000 KHz : ...*
659.8125 KHz : ...*
664.1250 KHz : ...*
668.4375 KHz : ...*
672.7500 KHz : ...*
677.0625 KHz : ...*
681.3750 KHz : ...*
685.6875 KHz : ...*
690.0000 KHz :
694.3125 KHz :
698.6250 KHz :
702.9375 KHz :
707.2500 KHz :
711.5625 KHz :
715.8750 KHz :
720.1875 KHz :
724.5000 KHz :
728.8125 KHz :
733.1250 KHz :
737.4375 KHz :
741.7500 KHz :
746.0625 KHz :
750.3750 KHz :
754.6875 KHz :
759.0000 KHz :
763.3125 KHz :
767.6250 KHz :
771.9375 KHz :
776.2500 KHz :
780.5625 KHz :
784.8750 KHz :
789.1875 KHz :
793.5000 KHz :
797.8125 KHz :
802.1250 KHz :
806.4375 KHz :
810.7500 KHz :
815.0625 KHz :
819.3750 KHz :
823.6875 KHz :
828.0000 KHz :
832.3125 KHz :
836.6250 KHz :
840.9375 KHz :
845.2500 KHz :
849.5625 KHz :
853.8750 KHz :
858.1875 KHz :
862.5000 KHz :
866.8125 KHz :
871.1250 KHz :
875.4375 KHz :
879.7500 KHz :
884.0625 KHz :
888.3750 KHz :
892.6875 KHz :
897.0000 KHz :
901.3125 KHz :
905.6250 KHz :
909.9375 KHz :
914.2500 KHz :
918.5625 KHz :
922.8750 KHz :
927.1875 KHz :
931.5000 KHz :
935.8125 KHz :
940.1250 KHz :
944.4375 KHz :
948.7500 KHz :
953.0625 KHz :
957.3750 KHz :
961.6875 KHz :
966.0000 KHz :
970.3125 KHz :
974.6250 KHz :
978.9375 KHz :
983.2500 KHz :
987.5625 KHz :
991.8750 KHz :
996.1875 KHz :
1000.5000 KHz :
1004.8125 KHz :
1009.1250 KHz :
1013.4375 KHz :
1017.7500 KHz :
1022.0625 KHz :
1026.3750 KHz :
1030.6875 KHz :
1035.0000 KHz :
1039.3125 KHz :
1043.6250 KHz :
1047.9375 KHz :
1052.2500 KHz :
1056.5625 KHz :
1060.8750 KHz :
1065.1875 KHz :
1069.5000 KHz :
1073.8125 KHz :
1078.1250 KHz :
1082.4375 KHz :
1086.7500 KHz :
1091.0625 KHz :
1095.3750 KHz :
--== Reserved ==--
1099.6875 KHz :

In article , Martin Brown |||newspam|
scribeth thus
On 03/09/2012 12:34, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

Look on the bright side, the BBC are planning on shutting some MW Tx's
down soon...

I thought that had already happened for the few stations involved, none
of which are affecting my ADSL.

Brian mentioned they were still transmitting a loop of "retune to FM"
messages.

I get zero bits for the bin at 276KHz, thanks to talk sport, and only 2
bits for the bin at 375kHZ, which is surprising as Leicester is a fair
way from Scotland.

I presume 200kHz R4 LW is comprehensively trashed (or avoided entirely).


200 kHz ???...



--
Tony Sayer

Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 12:34:36 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

I get zero bits for the bin at 276KHz, thanks to talk sport,

276kHz has zero symbols for everyone, it's the downstream pilot
frequency. B-)

Ah yes, had forgotten about that, or rather, thought it was somewhere in
the "gap" between downstream and upstream ranges, wonder why there
isn't a corresponding hole at 69kHz then?

and only 2 bits for the bin at 375kHZ

Donno what would be knocking out 375KHz

Sorry that was a typo 370.875

Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

Look on the bright side, the BBC are planning on shutting some MW Tx's
down soon...

I thought that had already happened for the few stations involved, none
of which are affecting my ADSL.

Brian mentioned they were still transmitting a loop of "retune to FM"
messages.

I get zero bits for the bin at 276KHz, thanks to talk sport, and only 2
bits for the bin at 375kHZ, which is surprising as Leicester is a fair
way from Scotland.

No dips for either of the R5L frequencies, which is surprising, might be
a different story at night.

My best bin is at 47kHz with 9 bits, with mainly 7 or 8 bits per bin up
to 439kHz, then it tails-off smoothly to 2 bits at 685kHz, no bins used
beyond there.

Pretty sure when I hard a router that showed these, I was getting stuff
up above a Mhz.


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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

My best bin is at 47kHz with 9 bits, with mainly 7 or 8 bits per bin up
to 439kHz, then it tails-off smoothly to 2 bits at 685kHz, no bins used
beyond there.

Pretty sure when I hard a router that showed these, I was getting stuff
up above a Mhz.

My line struggles to hang onto any connection greater than 2Mbps,
roll-on December for FTTC.

On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 13:29:54 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

276kHz has zero symbols for everyone, it's the downstream pilot
frequency. B-)

Ah yes, had forgotten about that, or rather, thought it was somewhere
in the "gap" between downstream and upstream ranges, wonder why there
isn't a corresponding hole at 69kHz then?

Donno I haven't got a dip their either.

Donno what would be knocking out 375KHz

Sorry that was a typo 370.875

Still outside the MW broadcast band but again could be a NDB. Near an
airport?

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 03/09/2012 13:22, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Martin Brown |||newspam|
scribeth thus
On 03/09/2012 12:34, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

Look on the bright side, the BBC are planning on shutting some MW Tx's
down soon...

I thought that had already happened for the few stations involved, none
of which are affecting my ADSL.

Brian mentioned they were still transmitting a loop of "retune to FM"
messages.

I get zero bits for the bin at 276KHz, thanks to talk sport, and only 2
bits for the bin at 375kHZ, which is surprising as Leicester is a fair
way from Scotland.

I presume 200kHz R4 LW is comprehensively trashed (or avoided entirely).


200 kHz ???...



OK 198kHz then.

What's 2kHz between friends?

Actually I would have thought a strong signal at 265kHz would not be a
big problem for a broadcast signal close to 200kHz.

tony sayer wrote:
In article , Martin Brown |||newspam|
scribeth thus
On 03/09/2012 12:34, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

Look on the bright side, the BBC are planning on shutting some MW Tx's
down soon...
I thought that had already happened for the few stations involved, none
of which are affecting my ADSL.
Brian mentioned they were still transmitting a loop of "retune to FM"
messages.

I get zero bits for the bin at 276KHz, thanks to talk sport, and only 2
bits for the bin at 375kHZ, which is surprising as Leicester is a fair
way from Scotland.
I presume 200kHz R4 LW is comprehensively trashed (or avoided entirely).

200 kHz ???...

It only moved to 198KHz 23 years ago. Give him time to catch up. ;-)

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

In article , Fredxx
scribeth thus
On 03/09/2012 13:22, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Martin Brown |||newspam|
scribeth thus
On 03/09/2012 12:34, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

Look on the bright side, the BBC are planning on shutting some MW Tx's
down soon...

I thought that had already happened for the few stations involved, none
of which are affecting my ADSL.

Brian mentioned they were still transmitting a loop of "retune to FM"
messages.

I get zero bits for the bin at 276KHz, thanks to talk sport, and only 2
bits for the bin at 375kHZ, which is surprising as Leicester is a fair
way from Scotland.

I presume 200kHz R4 LW is comprehensively trashed (or avoided entirely).


200 kHz ???...



OK 198kHz then.

What's 2kHz between friends?

Actually I would have thought a strong signal at 265kHz would not be a
big problem for a broadcast signal close to 200kHz.

2A 'orrible howl;! Interesting place that Scottish TX station..

Don't click unless you've got yer anorak on..


http://tx.mb21.co.uk/features/inside...en/index.shtml
--
Tony Sayer

In article o.uk, Dave
Liquorice scribeth thus
On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 13:29:54 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

276kHz has zero symbols for everyone, it's the downstream pilot
frequency. B-)

Ah yes, had forgotten about that, or rather, thought it was somewhere
in the "gap" between downstream and upstream ranges, wonder why there
isn't a corresponding hole at 69kHz then?

Donno I haven't got a dip their either.

Donno what would be knocking out 375KHz

Sorry that was a typo 370.875

Still outside the MW broadcast band but again could be a NDB. Near an
airport?


Yep thats where they live .. well airports and in frequency terms...

http://www.infotechcomms.co.uk/downloads/ndbs.pdf
--
Tony Sayer

On Monday, September 3, 2012 1:46:42 PM UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:

My line struggles to hang onto any connection greater than 2Mbps,
roll-on December for FTTC.

Have you tried a different modem? Many of Cisco's ADSL modems are very poor performers even with the latest firmwares released to get them to perform better with BT's kit.

Mathew

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , dennis@home
scribeth thus


"tony sayer" wrote in message
...

8 loads of replies that aren't worth the effort of replying to.

Course not Den, as theres no argument with any of them is there?..

You can argue with them if you can find someone who cares if you want.
They are just a list of facts.



What are you on about?. Theres nothing I can adjust in the current modem
or the one we had before that!..

Explain yourself please!..

There are lots of things that can be adjusted, if you know how.


How then, do tell?..

And what factors would you be adjusting then?..

I doubt if Virgin wants everyone adjusting things.
Maybe you should do as they want and ask support to adjust them, once you
have found out what.

Mathew Newton wrote:

On Monday, September 3, 2012 1:46:42 PM UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:

My line struggles to hang onto any connection greater than 2Mbps,

Have you tried a different modem?

Several ...

Westell Proline
Efficient/Siemens
Zyxel
BT 2Wire/BusinessHub
BT HomeHub2
Cisco

Many of Cisco's ADSL modems are very poor performers even with the
latest firmwares released to get them to perform better with BT's kit.

Things have got worse rather than better during the course of two copper
thefts and the upgrade to ADSL2+, I use an ADSL1 router now to keep the
disconnect/reconnect rate down, and accept slower performance than
before ...

Andy Burns wrote:
Mathew Newton wrote:

On Monday, September 3, 2012 1:46:42 PM UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:

My line struggles to hang onto any connection greater than 2Mbps,

Have you tried a different modem?

Several ...

Westell Proline
Efficient/Siemens
Zyxel
BT 2Wire/BusinessHub
BT HomeHub2
Cisco

Many of Cisco's ADSL modems are very poor performers even with the
latest firmwares released to get them to perform better with BT's kit.

Things have got worse rather than better during the course of two copper
thefts and the upgrade to ADSL2+, I use an ADSL1 router now to keep the
disconnect/reconnect rate down, and accept slower performance than
before ...

yeah. At least you can GET broadband. There's a lot of people who have
to use 3G or dial up still.


Its a friggin disgrace really,.

I am happy with by 4.5Mbps or so BRAS...

--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

In message , "dennis@home"
writes



What are you on about?. Theres nothing I can adjust in the current modem
or the one we had before that!..

Explain yourself please!..

There are lots of things that can be adjusted, if you know how.


How then, do tell?..

And what factors would you be adjusting then?..

I doubt if Virgin wants everyone adjusting things.
Maybe you should do as they want and ask support to adjust them, once
you have found out what.


Dense - you and your bull**** answers, eh?

--
geoff

On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 20:21:06 +0100, geoff wrote:

In message , "dennis@home"
writes



What are you on about?. Theres nothing I can adjust in the current
modem
or the one we had before that!..

Explain yourself please!..

There are lots of things that can be adjusted, if you know how.


How then, do tell?..

And what factors would you be adjusting then?..

I doubt if Virgin wants everyone adjusting things.
Maybe you should do as they want and ask support to adjust them, once
you have found out what.


Dense - you and your bull**** answers, eh?


Bet VM *really* want Dense adjusting "things".

--
Rod

In article , Andy
Burns scribeth thus
Mathew Newton wrote:

On Monday, September 3, 2012 1:46:42 PM UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:

My line struggles to hang onto any connection greater than 2Mbps,

Have you tried a different modem?

Several ...

Westell Proline
Efficient/Siemens
Zyxel
BT 2Wire/BusinessHub
BT HomeHub2
Cisco

Many of Cisco's ADSL modems are very poor performers even with the
latest firmwares released to get them to perform better with BT's kit.

Things have got worse rather than better during the course of two copper
thefts and the upgrade to ADSL2+, I use an ADSL1 router now to keep the
disconnect/reconnect rate down, and accept slower performance than
before ...


Well your line may not be on quite the same path as it once was.

Seem them do that to get a sub back online after the Pikey's have been
visiting...
--
Tony Sayer

In article , dennis@home
scribeth thus


"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , dennis@home
scribeth thus


"tony sayer" wrote in message
...

8 loads of replies that aren't worth the effort of replying to.

Course not Den, as theres no argument with any of them is there?..

You can argue with them if you can find someone who cares if you want.
They are just a list of facts.

In the Deniverse .. course out here in the real world....




What are you on about?. Theres nothing I can adjust in the current modem
or the one we had before that!..

Explain yourself please!..

There are lots of things that can be adjusted, if you know how.


How then, do tell?..

And what factors would you be adjusting then?..

I doubt if Virgin wants everyone adjusting things.
Maybe you should do as they want and ask support to adjust them, once you
have found out what.


Well a very good friend of mine says different to what you do and as
he's worked for them for some time.. unless you mean setting the SSID on
the wireless;?..
--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote:

Andy Burns scribeth thus:

Things have got worse rather than better during the course of two copper
thefts and the upgrade to ADSL2+

Well your line may not be on quite the same path as it once was.
See[n] them do that to get a sub back online after the Pikey's have been
visiting...

No, openreach did a straight replacement of the 1000 pair cable on both
occasions, took them about a week each time, 3G access came in handy then.

On 03/09/2012 13:46, Andy Burns wrote:
My line struggles to hang onto any connection greater than 2Mbps,
roll-on December for FTTC.

We're now coming up to the third December they've promised us FTTC.

Andy

Andy Champ wrote:

On 03/09/2012 13:46, Andy Burns wrote:

roll-on December for FTTC.

We're now coming up to the third December they've promised us FTTC.

I'm aware that the date does get pushed back on many exchanges, but they
appear to be doing 'work' on various ducts/manholes for a start, not
seen any locations for new green cabs marked out yet though...

On 03/09/2012 21:24, Andy Burns wrote:
Andy Champ wrote:

On 03/09/2012 13:46, Andy Burns wrote:

roll-on December for FTTC.

We're now coming up to the third December they've promised us FTTC.

I'm aware that the date does get pushed back on many exchanges, but they
appear to be doing 'work' on various ducts/manholes for a start, not
seen any locations for new green cabs marked out yet though...


We have the new green cab, right next to the old one. But my ISP says
it's still December...

Andy

Andy Champ wrote:

We have the new green cab, right next to the old one. But my ISP says
it's still December...

I presume Sam agrees with your ISP?
http://samknows.com/broadband/exchange_search

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Thumper
scribeth thus

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
Virgin is probably the fastest unless you go for BT Infinity, both are
faster due to the fibre optic to the closest possible point of course.
The
snag with all of this is that often the net itself gets clogged up and
one
cannot actually do much about that.


Something that niggles me is that I lose the connection at least 3 or 4
times a week. It's just a case of reconnecting to the router to get back
on
line but I do wonder am I just losing the wireless link between my laptop
and the router or is it the internet connection I keep losing for 30
seconds? Very occassionally I have to do a complete power down and
restart
to get connected.

My nephew says I should get a VM engineer to come out and fix the line
everytime it happens but I guess they would only come out if the internet
became unuseable.


Can you not cable connect it to the router for a while and see?.

I could. Probably try that next time the wireless connection kicks me
offline. As luck would have it I've not had a problem since this thread was
started.

Also how much 2.4 G radio use is there where U live?..

How do I check / find out?

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...

Well a very good friend of mine says different to what you do and as
he's worked for them for some time..


So you have a friend that's worked for Virgin for some time and he claims
that they want users to mess with the CM and BRAS profiles?
A likely story.

Thumper wrote:

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Thumper
scribeth thus

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
Virgin is probably the fastest unless you go for BT Infinity, both are
faster due to the fibre optic to the closest possible point of
course. The
snag with all of this is that often the net itself gets clogged up
and one
cannot actually do much about that.


Something that niggles me is that I lose the connection at least 3 or 4
times a week. It's just a case of reconnecting to the router to get
back on
line but I do wonder am I just losing the wireless link between my
laptop
and the router or is it the internet connection I keep losing for 30
seconds? Very occassionally I have to do a complete power down and
restart
to get connected.

My nephew says I should get a VM engineer to come out and fix the line
everytime it happens but I guess they would only come out if the
internet
became unuseable.


Can you not cable connect it to the router for a while and see?.

I could. Probably try that next time the wireless connection kicks me
offline. As luck would have it I've not had a problem since this thread
was started.

Also how much 2.4 G radio use is there where U live?..

How do I check / find out?

Install Net Stumbler on your PC.:-

http://www.netstumbler.com/

That will tell you about all the wi-fi networks in your area. It's only
a start though, as Bluetooth also uses the band, as do video senders,
some remote controls and a lot of other stuff.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

In article , Andy
Burns scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:

Andy Burns scribeth thus:

Things have got worse rather than better during the course of two copper
thefts and the upgrade to ADSL2+

Well your line may not be on quite the same path as it once was.
See[n] them do that to get a sub back online after the Pikey's have been
visiting...

No, openreach did a straight replacement of the 1000 pair cable on both
occasions, took them about a week each time, 3G access came in handy then.



Wonder why its worse then. Mind you they sometimes have to try a few
pairs before they find one that does work, all depends on how much welly
paddy gave it on the winch;!!...

Stretching a point .. well sort of;..
--
Tony Sayer

In article , dennis@home
scribeth thus


"tony sayer" wrote in message
...

Well a very good friend of mine says different to what you do and as
he's worked for them for some time..


So you have a friend that's worked for Virgin for some time and he claims
that they want users to mess with the CM and BRAS profiles?
A likely story.




No Dennis. I did not say that. Quite the reverse. I'll spell it out for
you. There is nothing you can do to or alter or enhance the performance
of the cable modem. You can only alter such things as the RF side on a
wireless one.

Now stop twisting words when you are losing an argument...
--
Tony Sayer

On 03/09/2012 13:01, Andy Burns wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:

I presume 200kHz R4 LW is comprehensively trashed (or avoided entirely).

Not badly, 7 bits at 198kHz rather than 8 bits for surrounding bins

How do you get to see your channel profile in that much detail?

Easy to get from a Cisco router (though RouterStatsLite will do a
similar thing for many other routers).

# SHOW DSL INTERFACE AT0

which gives it in the rather terse format

I presume that you telnet into the modem/router and then use this
incantation? The "easy to use" web GUI certainly doesn't offer this!

My Belkin router refuses all Telnet connections. Is there a magic choice
of undocumented port and command syntax somewhere. I couldn't find
anything useful on what is laughing called their support site.

Routerstats lite lets me plot SNR / speed vs time but I can't see
anywhere that lets me obtain a frequency domain plot/data out.

Thanks for any suggestions where to look and what port(s) to prod.

I have a half dead WAG325N to hand if it is easier to get these stats
out of a Cisco router. It failed in the classic mode of wired ethernet
failing to work first at high speed and then at/all. ADSL modem and WiFi
are still OK so I could put it onstream for a quick trial.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Martin Brown wrote:

On 03/09/2012 13:01, Andy Burns wrote:

# SHOW DSL INTERFACE AT0

I presume that you telnet into the modem/router and then use this
incantation?

Yes, telnet/ssh/serial console, but only applicable to a 'real' Cisco,
not to Linksys aka Cisco.

Routerstats lite lets me plot SNR / speed vs time but I can't see
anywhere that lets me obtain a frequency domain plot/data out.

I probably got confused between RouterStats and the DMT tool (I don't
use either) check if any of the varying versions support your router

http://dmt.mhilfe.de/

On 03/09/2012 21:49, Andy Burns wrote:
I presume Sam agrees with your ISP?

Yup

Andy

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , dennis@home
scribeth thus


"tony sayer" wrote in message
...

Well a very good friend of mine says different to what you do and as
he's worked for them for some time..


So you have a friend that's worked for Virgin for some time and he claims
that they want users to mess with the CM and BRAS profiles?
A likely story.




No Dennis. I did not say that. Quite the reverse. I'll spell it out for
you. There is nothing you can do to or alter or enhance the performance
of the cable modem. You can only alter such things as the RF side on a
wireless one.

There are lots of things that can be altered on a cable modem.
If you know how.
How do you think they set the downstream channels and upstream channels if
there is nothing to change?
It would be a pretty poor system if they couldn't have more than one channel
on a segment.


Now stop twisting words when you are losing an argument...

I can't lose, I am not arguing with you.
I just read what you said.