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We have an annex to our home we let as a holiday apartment. Some clients ask
if wireless internet is available. It is but only if they care sit in the garden as the existing signal does not reach the annex. I don't want to move the route as it covers our house perfectly, is there a way of adding wireless to the annex from our existing connection? Something I can switch on when required perhaps? Mike |
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MuddyMike wrote:
We have an annex to our home we let as a holiday apartment. Some clients ask if wireless internet is available. It is but only if they care sit in the garden as the existing signal does not reach the annex. I don't want to move the route as it covers our house perfectly, is there a way of adding wireless to the annex from our existing connection? Something I can switch on when required perhaps? As someone mentioned in the other thread, you could get a WiFi repeater, you would site this somewhere where it could "see" your existing WiFi access point, and where it could "be seen" from the annexe ... OR you could wire an ethernet cable from your router to the annexe, and install a separate WiFi access point there. |
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MuddyMike wrote:
We have an annex to our home we let as a holiday apartment. Some clients ask if wireless internet is available. It is but only if they care sit in the garden as the existing signal does not reach the annex. I don't want to move the route as it covers our house perfectly, is there a way of adding wireless to the annex from our existing connection? Something I can switch on when required perhaps? [My original reply seems to have fallen between the cracks] As someone mentioned in the other thread, you could get a WiFi repeater, you would site this somewhere where it could "see" your existing WiFi access point, and where it could "be seen" from the annexe ... OR you could wire an ethernet cable from your router to the annexe, and install a separate WiFi access point there. |
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"MuddyMike" wrote in message om... We have an annex to our home we let as a holiday apartment. Some clients ask if wireless internet is available. It is but only if they care sit in the garden as the existing signal does not reach the annex. I don't want to move the route as it covers our house perfectly, is there a way of adding wireless to the annex from our existing connection? Something I can switch on when required perhaps? Mike Home Plug. http://www.solwise.co.uk/ Baz |
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Andy Burns wrote:
As someone mentioned in the other thread Original message, not quite on cue! |
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message o.uk... MuddyMike wrote: We have an annex to our home we let as a holiday apartment. Some clients ask if wireless internet is available. It is but only if they care sit in the garden as the existing signal does not reach the annex. I don't want to move the route as it covers our house perfectly, is there a way of adding wireless to the annex from our existing connection? Something I can switch on when required perhaps? [My original reply seems to have fallen between the cracks] As someone mentioned in the other thread, you could get a WiFi repeater, you would site this somewhere where it could "see" your existing WiFi access point, and where it could "be seen" from the annexe ... OR you could wire an ethernet cable from your router to the annexe, and install a separate WiFi access point there. Just found this one on Ebay and thought it might solve two problems in one. Not only would I like to give WiFi access to the annex but I would also like to connect the Humax freesat box to the network so as to receive BBC I player. The location of the Humax would give wireless signal to the annex, but I am unsure if this would do it. Opinions? Mike |
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"MuddyMike" wrote:
We have an annex to our home we let as a holiday apartment. Some clients ask if wireless internet is available. It is but only if they care sit in the garden as the existing signal does not reach the annex. I don't want to move the route as it covers our house perfectly, is there a way of adding wireless to the annex from our existing connection? Something I can switch on when required perhaps? You can get wireless extenders but you may want to consider a homeplug wireless extender that works over the mains cabling. That way you could disable the connection remotely either using the management software provided or by pulling the plug (at your end). |
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In article , MuddyMike
writes "Andy Burns" wrote in message news:c7qdnQycB7PkQGjQnZ2dnUVZ8qmdnZ2d@brightview. co.uk... MuddyMike wrote: We have an annex to our home we let as a holiday apartment. Some clients ask if wireless internet is available. It is but only if they care sit in the garden as the existing signal does not reach the annex. I don't want to move the route as it covers our house perfectly, is there a way of adding wireless to the annex from our existing connection? Something I can switch on when required perhaps? [My original reply seems to have fallen between the cracks] As someone mentioned in the other thread, you could get a WiFi repeater, you would site this somewhere where it could "see" your existing WiFi access point, and where it could "be seen" from the annexe ... OR you could wire an ethernet cable from your router to the annexe, and install a separate WiFi access point there. Just found this one on Ebay and thought it might solve two problems in one. Which one is that :-? Not only would I like to give WiFi access to the annex but I would also like to connect the Humax freesat box to the network so as to receive BBC I player. The location of the Humax would give wireless signal to the annex, but I am unsure if this would do it. Opinions? Wifi really isn't that much cop for streaming so you would be better off with a wired connection to the Humax. A wired connection out to the annexe to plug a wireless access point into would be the ideal but as it's for punters that is less important. Remember that you can make the wireless as secure as you like with a simple but secure shared password and as they're transient visitors they're unlikely to re-visit to hijack it or to share it with others, change it once a month if worried. IME edimax gear is a reasonable cost/perf compromise at the mo. -- fred FIVE TV's superbright logo - not the DOG's, it's ******** |
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:37:04 +0100, John Williamson wrote:
This free allowance also applies if you're a non-BT "Fonista" with a Fon router at home, you just connect through the Fon facility. As`far as the Broadband account payer is concerned, they get no commission, and the bandwidth on the Fon/ BT Openzone connection is limited to a percentage of your normal speed, so there's not much of a hit peformance wise. That's interesting. I'd like some mobile access but paying £10/1GB that expires in 30 days is about 999MB more than I need (last month, a heavy one for data was, 0.8MB...) OK use would go up but I doubt it would go up *that* much. Being in the middle of nowhere the amount of data Fon users would use would be minimal. Is the percentage split fixed or dynamic up to say 10% of the connection? -- Cheers Dave. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:37:04 +0100, John Williamson wrote: This free allowance also applies if you're a non-BT "Fonista" with a Fon router at home, you just connect through the Fon facility. As`far as the Broadband account payer is concerned, they get no commission, and the bandwidth on the Fon/ BT Openzone connection is limited to a percentage of your normal speed, so there's not much of a hit peformance wise. That's interesting. I'd like some mobile access but paying £10/1GB that expires in 30 days is about 999MB more than I need (last month, a heavy one for data was, 0.8MB...) OK use would go up but I doubt it would go up *that* much. Being in the middle of nowhere the amount of data Fon users would use would be minimal. Is the percentage split fixed or dynamic up to say 10% of the connection? BT don't say, just that they get a percentage of your capacity when they're using it. A`"small portion" according to the FAQ on the website, up to 512Kbps. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
Being in the middle of nowhere the amount of data Fon users would use would be minimal. If you were surrounded by greedy users, you could always put a tinfoil hat on the router! (ok that would hide all three SSIDs, just wire your own A/P to the router) |
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On Jun 14, 11:26*am, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote: Being in the middle of nowhere the amount of data Fon users would use would be minimal. If you were surrounded by greedy users, you could always put a tinfoil hat on the router! (ok that would hide all three SSIDs, just wire your own A/P to the router) Someone is missing the point somewhere. You always have WiFi access to your own router. Fon access is also WiFi. If you don't want other people to use any of your bandwidth then just don't sign up for Fon. You don't then get access to other people's Fon either. MBQ |
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Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote: Being in the middle of nowhere the amount of data Fon users would use would be minimal. If you were surrounded by greedy users, you could always put a tinfoil hat on the router! (ok that would hide all three SSIDs, just wire your own A/P to the router) *Total* bandwidth available to Fon users is capped by the router. It doesn't matter how many there are, they share the same percentage of your bandwidth. I use BT Fon regularly in hotels, and when a few other Fon users are on line, the 3G becomes a lot quicker than Fon. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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Man at B&Q wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: If you were surrounded by greedy users, you could always put a tinfoil hat on the router! Someone is missing the point somewhere. No, merely subverting the point :-) You always have WiFi access to your own router. Yes I know Fon access is also WiFi. If you don't want other people to use any of your bandwidth then just don't sign up for Fon. You don't then get access to other people's Fon either. I was merely pointing out that if you want access to other people's WiFi without giving them access to yours, you could butcher the aerial (which would mean *you* couldn't access via the Fon device either) but they'd hardly be in a position to tell! |
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"Man at B&Q" wrote in message ... On Jun 14, 11:26 am, Andy Burns wrote: Dave Liquorice wrote: Being in the middle of nowhere the amount of data Fon users would use would be minimal. If you were surrounded by greedy users, you could always put a tinfoil hat on the router! (ok that would hide all three SSIDs, just wire your own A/P to the router) Someone is missing the point somewhere. You always have WiFi access to your own router. Fon access is also WiFi. If you don't want other people to use any of your bandwidth then just don't sign up for Fon. You don't then get access to other people's Fon either. The BT equivalent of FON uses a separate ATM channel for the public WiFi IIRC (or it did when I suggested it a few years ago). It allows for the logging by BT and for user verification so the access point need not do. FON is a bit of a bodge IMO, but it doesn't require any support from your ISP. |
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 04:02:34 -0700 (PDT), "Man at B&Q"
wrote: On Jun 14, 11:26*am, Andy Burns wrote: Dave Liquorice wrote: Being in the middle of nowhere the amount of data Fon users would use would be minimal. If you were surrounded by greedy users, you could always put a tinfoil hat on the router! (ok that would hide all three SSIDs, just wire your own A/P to the router) Someone is missing the point somewhere. You always have WiFi access to your own router. Fon access is also WiFi. If you don't want other people to use any of your bandwidth then just don't sign up for Fon. You don't then get access to other people's Fon either. MBQ Actually, if you don't want people using your bandwidth, you may have to opt out of FON. From BT's website: "From the middle of March '09 new BT Total Broadband and BT Infinity customers won't need to do anything as they will be automatically opted in to the BT FON community." AFAIK, this means your router is opted in - you still need to sign up for a pass if you want to use FON hotspots elsewhere. I'm not sure what this means for pre March '09 customers who, say, have upgraded their connection or some account option since then. |
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:40:19 +0100 (BST), Dave Liquorice wrote:
This free allowance also applies if you're a non-BT "Fonista" with a Fon router at home, you just connect through the Fon facility. As`far as the Broadband account payer is concerned, they get no commission, and the bandwidth on the Fon/ BT Openzone connection is limited to a percentage of your normal speed, so there's not much of a hit peformance wise. That's interesting. I'd like some mobile access but paying £10/1GB that expires in 30 days is about 999MB more than I need ... Had a dig, you can get Fon router/AP for £45.75 delivered, put that online and share your connection and you get free access to other Fon hotspots. It gets confusing in relation to BT. As I read it you get free access via private BT Home Hub based hotspots (that haven't switched the Fon function off, it's on by default). But you have to pay if you want to use BT Openzone Premium hotspots, I haven't quite worked out what a "BT Openzone Premium" hotspot is, I suspect it's what is installed in public places like stations, sports venues etc. Just where I'd like to use a bit of WiFi... Can anyone clarify what "BT Openzone" spots one can access for free if you have a shared Fon router online? Pity the 50% revenue share of pass purchases is not available in the UK. Any rumours of that appearing it's avialable across europe... -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:26:49 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
If you were surrounded by greedy users, you could always put a tinfoil hat on the router! (ok that would hide all three SSIDs, just wire your own A/P to the router) Or get the 2.0n (£90) rather than the £50 simpl Fon box, on the 2.0n box you can adjust the shared bandwidth down to 64kbps... I haven't found what the Simpl box uses for the shared side. BTW these boxes connect via ethernet to your existing, provided by something else, internet connection. So plugging your own AP into a Fon box would be a bit pointless you may as well plug that straight into your own LAN switch. -- Cheers Dave. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
I haven't quite worked out what a "BT Openzone Premium" hotspot is, I suspect it's what is installed in public places like stations, sports venues etc. Just where I'd like to use a bit of WiFi... Can anyone clarify what "BT Openzone" spots one can access for free if you have a shared Fon router online? I found this information difficult to track down. I have an android phone that's actually on an O2 iPhone contract which means it should come with free WiFi, I've never had much joy with it, it's not clear if this is because the network can tell I've not really got an iPhone (I tried User Agent spoofing, but it could still use MAC address) now I just don't bother with public WiFi. |
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message o.uk... Dave Liquorice wrote: I haven't quite worked out what a "BT Openzone Premium" hotspot is, I suspect it's what is installed in public places like stations, sports venues etc. Just where I'd like to use a bit of WiFi... Can anyone clarify what "BT Openzone" spots one can access for free if you have a shared Fon router online? I found this information difficult to track down. I have an android phone that's actually on an O2 iPhone contract which means it should come with free WiFi, I've never had much joy with it, it's not clear if this is because the network can tell I've not really got an iPhone (I tried User Agent spoofing, but it could still use MAC address) now I just don't bother with public WiFi. I have an android phone on o2 and have used wifi openzone. However they may have been free anyway as quite a lot are and I never bothered checking. I wouldn't be surprised if they used the IMEI to authenticate as I don't think you need a SIM in to use the wifi. |
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