Hi All

I'm replacing a toilet in my bathroom

The new one is quite compact and doesn't stick out as far as the old one.
This means the 90degree soil pipe sticks out too far. If I connect the
toilet to the pipe the cistern does not reach the wall behind

I was thinking a flexible connector would do the trick. Do you agree ??
The 90deg bend seems to be solvent welded to the main pipe. Is this going to
cause problems with removal. Can a new flexible soil pipe just be pushed
onto the old main pipe or again will this cause problems

I hope I have made myself clear. My downstairs cloakroom suite was easy to
replace. This main bathroom suite is a PITA !! Never mind - I suppose it's a
challenge:-))

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Regards

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"hays" wrote in message
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Hi All

I'm replacing a toilet in my bathroom

The new one is quite compact and doesn't stick out as far as the old one.
This means the 90degree soil pipe sticks out too far. If I connect the
toilet to the pipe the cistern does not reach the wall behind

I was thinking a flexible connector would do the trick. Do you agree ??
The 90deg bend seems to be solvent welded to the main pipe. Is this going
to
cause problems with removal. Can a new flexible soil pipe just be pushed
onto the old main pipe or again will this cause problems

I hope I have made myself clear. My downstairs cloakroom suite was easy to
replace. This main bathroom suite is a PITA !! Never mind - I suppose it's
a
challenge:-))


Regards

Hays


Something like these:

http://www.multikwik.com/multikwik/mk_bend_90.htm

would probably do the trick. They're not as much of a sweep around the
knuckle as a normal pipe bend is. Also, most DIY Stores and plumbers
merchants do a universal WC connector which is a ball shape with a long
connector tail and the ball swivels to almost any angle you can imagine.

The soil pipe is most likely just being stubborn if it isn't coming out the
fittings. Try twisting it round, backwards and forwards, rather than just
straight pulling force. They're tight to go in, and even tighter coming
out. :-))

Good luck with it.


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"BigWallop" writes:
Something like these:

http://www.multikwik.com/multikwik/mk_bend_90.htm

would probably do the trick. They're not as much of a sweep around the
knuckle as a normal pipe bend is.

You can get swan-neck ones too, whick allow the loo to go back even
further.

Also, most DIY Stores and plumbers
merchants do a universal WC connector which is a ball shape with a long
connector tail and the ball swivels to almost any angle you can imagine.

The soil pipe is most likely just being stubborn if it isn't coming out the
fittings. Try twisting it round, backwards and forwards, rather than just
straight pulling force. They're tight to go in, and even tighter coming
out. :-))

Watch out that the rubber seal doesn't flick **** in your
face when it does finally come out...

--
Andrew Gabriel

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In article ,
"BigWallop" writes:
Something like these:

http://www.multikwik.com/multikwik/mk_bend_90.htm

would probably do the trick. They're not as much of a sweep around the
knuckle as a normal pipe bend is.

You can get swan-neck ones too, whick allow the loo to go back even
further.

Also, most DIY Stores and plumbers
merchants do a universal WC connector which is a ball shape with a long
connector tail and the ball swivels to almost any angle you can imagine.

The soil pipe is most likely just being stubborn if it isn't coming out
the
fittings. Try twisting it round, backwards and forwards, rather than
just
straight pulling force. They're tight to go in, and even tighter coming
out. :-))

Watch out that the rubber seal doesn't flick **** in your
face when it does finally come out...


And my neighbour thought I was daft wearing a mask and goggles when I
replaced most of our soil stack. Glad I'm not the only person to be on the
receiving end of rubber-propelled **** fragments when working on a stack.
But after the first time, mask and goggles every time.

Cheers
Clive

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
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In article ,
"BigWallop" writes:
Something like these:

http://www.multikwik.com/multikwik/mk_bend_90.htm

would probably do the trick. They're not as much of a sweep around the
knuckle as a normal pipe bend is.

You can get swan-neck ones too, whick allow the loo to go back even
further.

Also, most DIY Stores and plumbers
merchants do a universal WC connector which is a ball shape with a long
connector tail and the ball swivels to almost any angle you can imagine.

The soil pipe is most likely just being stubborn if it isn't coming out
the
fittings. Try twisting it round, backwards and forwards, rather than
just
straight pulling force. They're tight to go in, and even tighter coming
out. :-))

Watch out that the rubber seal doesn't flick **** in your
face when it does finally come out...


Andrew Gabriel

EEEEYucky !!! Forgot about that bit. :-))


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In article ,
"Clive Summerfield" writes:
"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
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Watch out that the rubber seal doesn't flick **** in your
face when it does finally come out...

And my neighbour thought I was daft wearing a mask and goggles when I
replaced most of our soil stack. Glad I'm not the only person to be on the
receiving end of rubber-propelled **** fragments when working on a stack.
But after the first time, mask and goggles every time.

I always wear goggles for this sort of thing. A full face mask
would be even better...

One rather amusing occasion, I was unblocking my parents' sewer.
Put the goggles on before lifting the manhole, since it's a heavy
cast iron lid, which as you lever it up, tends to slip back again
first few times spraying sh*t into the air. Parents watching from
safety of bathroom window were initially much amused by the goggles,
but then saw why I was wearing them. Having got the lid off, I stood
over the manhole for a few moments, peering down into the large
reservoir of, well, sh*t, pondering what to do next. At that moment,
the elastic on the goggles snapped, and they went straight down the
manhole, landing with a juicy splat on the top of the reservoir of,
you know what. Well, maybe you had to be there, but we all just
dissolved into uncontrollable laughter at this point. I fished the
goggles out of the manhole with the hooked end of a drain rod and
dropped them in the dustbin -- couldn't see myself wearing those
again no matter how I cleaned them ;-).

The saga continued. My parents' drain rods, bamboo with brass fittings,
had been standing in their garage for years in an old dustbin.
Meanwhile, the garage roof had started leaking into the dustbin, so
the net effect was than one end of each drain rod was a little on the
rotten side. This made me hesitent about using them. Found one of
the sprung steel sink unblockers, and thought I'd try with that.
This didn't work because it's not stiff enough for a sewer. Tried
rinsing it off with the hose to wind it back into a roll, and it's
springing **** in all directions (it's like a long clock spring for
anyone who hasn't seen one). And remember, my goggles are now in the
dustbin. Anyway, gave up cleaning and rewinding the sprung steel, and
decided to just drop it in the dustbin with the goggles. Oh, but it's
not having any of that. If you're really bored one day, try unrolling
one of these and then putting it in a dustbin (wheelie bin actually),
and getting the lid slammed shut before the darn thing springs out.
Now imagine that it's also covered in liquid sh*t which sprays in all
directions each time it twangs. You're getting close...

Back to the blocked sewer... Decide I have to use the drain rods.
Well, you know what happened next -- the end came off one of the
rods whilst pushing it down the drain. Fortunately, it was inside
the manhole where it broke, so all I had to do was reach down with
my arm about 2' into the reservoir of **** to fish out the broken
end. When I pulled the remainder out, the blockage finally cleared,
and the manhole emptied.

IIRC, I went and had a hot bath...

--
Andrew Gabriel

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In article ,
"Clive Summerfield" writes:
"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
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Watch out that the rubber seal doesn't flick **** in your
face when it does finally come out...

And my neighbour thought I was daft wearing a mask and goggles when I
replaced most of our soil stack. Glad I'm not the only person to be on
the
receiving end of rubber-propelled **** fragments when working on a
stack.
But after the first time, mask and goggles every time.

I always wear goggles for this sort of thing. A full face mask
would be even better...


After one experience clearing a blocked drain at my old house in Norfolk,
I'd prefer a full NBC suit. 60ft run between shallow inspection chamber
(near house) and 4ft deep chamber near septic tank. Similar scenario with
old bamboo drain rods left by previous owner which had rotted and left me
with about 25-30' of usable rods. Turned up one sunny saturday morning in
summer, 2 weeks after hosting a charity camping weekend in the garden (.75
acre). Pulled on to the drive and immediatly spotted a suspiciously wet area
around the manhole cover nearest the house. Wet, after 2 weeks of
uninterrupted sun. Hmm, worrying. Lifted the lid and nearly passed out at
the stench, although a quick application of a gallon of pine disinfectant at
least eased that for a bit.

So, on with the goggles and mask, and out with the abbreviated rods. Worked
all 30' into the drain from the shallow chamber, but couldn't find the
obstruction. Bugger. Not going to stick my arm in the sh*t to try and clear
it from the top. Will try clearing from below instead. Moved to the deeper
chamber and started rodding from there. Ended up sat on the lip of the
chamber using a foot to work the rod. Having spent considerable time at this
already, I sort of lost it and had a brainstorm. If I could just get a bit
of pressure on the end of the rod at a shallower angle, it should break
through the obstruction. I had wellies on, so they might get a bit mucky as
the end of the rod dipped under the surface, but what the heck - I should be
able to get my arms out of the way quick enough.

What happened next caused immense hilarity for the spectators. I hopped into
the chamber and started to push with increasing effort. Suddenly the
blockage gave way and a tidal wave of stale sh*t and other noxious matter
came hurtling down the pipe. No big deal, it should just shoot down the
drain to the septic tank. Unfortunately there was another blockage a foot or
so downstream of the chamber I was in. Before you could say "Shine your
buckles with Brasso", I was up to my knees in sh*t. It was only when I
climbed out that I realised the wellies might not have been the best choice
of footwear.


snipped humourous tale of drain clearing

IIRC, I went and had a hot bath...


ditto

Clive

"Clive Summerfield" wrote
| Watch out that the rubber seal doesn't flick **** in your
| face when it does finally come out...
| And my neighbour thought I was daft wearing a mask and goggles
| when I replaced most of our soil stack. Glad I'm not the only
| person to be on the receiving end of rubber-propelled ****
| fragments when working on a stack.
| But after the first time, mask and goggles every time.

I don't normally have any reaction to the decomposing dead people often
featured on Life of Grime but last night's programme of Mr Drain Cleaner
happily hosing himself with pressurised **** was a decidedly 'yeuch' moment.

Owain

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:51:29 GMT, "Clive Summerfield"
wrote:

IIRC, I went and had a hot bath...

ditto

You guys are giving me great confidence, having just agreed to fit a
new bathroom suite for someone (toilet and all).

I suppose there's nothing for me to worry about, but this is a ground
floor flat in a block of flats - and knowing the way my luck has been
running I can just imagine me separating the loo from the stack
and.....well your imagination can do the rest.

PoP

Thanks Everyone

Following up my own thread, I've had a closer look

It seems I could hacksaw off about 3" from the loo end of the pipe, refit
the rubber seal and push the loo back onto it

Is this acceptable or an outright bodge ???


Hays


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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:53:49 +0000, PoP
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:51:29 GMT, "Clive Summerfield"
wrote:

IIRC, I went and had a hot bath...

ditto

You guys are giving me great confidence, having just agreed to fit a
new bathroom suite for someone (toilet and all).

I suppose there's nothing for me to worry about, but this is a ground
floor flat in a block of flats - and knowing the way my luck has been
running I can just imagine me separating the loo from the stack
and.....well your imagination can do the rest.

PoP

Semper in excretum, sed alto variat.............


..andy

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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:53:49 +0000, PoP
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:51:29 GMT, "Clive Summerfield"
wrote:

IIRC, I went and had a hot bath...

ditto

You guys are giving me great confidence, having just agreed to fit a
new bathroom suite for someone (toilet and all).

I suppose there's nothing for me to worry about, but this is a ground
floor flat in a block of flats - and knowing the way my luck has been
running I can just imagine me separating the loo from the stack
and.....well your imagination can do the rest.

PoP

Semper in excretum, sed alto variat.............


.andy



Nihil illegitimati te carborundum. Decem quattuor amicus bonus. Sumus semper
in excretum sed alto variat. Decem quattuor amica bona. Veni, Vidi, Vici.
Taurum excretum intellectam confusat.

"hays" wrote in message
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Thanks Everyone

Following up my own thread, I've had a closer look

It seems I could hacksaw off about 3" from the loo end of the pipe, refit
the rubber seal and push the loo back onto it

Is this acceptable or an outright bodge ???


Hays



an outright bodge

"BigWallop" wrote in message ...
"hays" wrote in message
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Hi All

I'm replacing a toilet in my bathroom

The new one is quite compact and doesn't stick out as far as the old one.
This means the 90degree soil pipe sticks out too far. If I connect the
toilet to the pipe the cistern does not reach the wall behind

I was thinking a flexible connector would do the trick. Do you agree ??
The 90deg bend seems to be solvent welded to the main pipe. Is this going
to
cause problems with removal. Can a new flexible soil pipe just be pushed
onto the old main pipe or again will this cause problems

I hope I have made myself clear. My downstairs cloakroom suite was easy to
replace. This main bathroom suite is a PITA !! Never mind - I suppose it's
a
challenge:-))


Regards

Hays


Something like these:

http://www.multikwik.com/multikwik/mk_bend_90.htm

would probably do the trick. They're not as much of a sweep around the
knuckle as a normal pipe bend is. Also, most DIY Stores and plumbers
merchants do a universal WC connector which is a ball shape with a long
connector tail and the ball swivels to almost any angle you can imagine.

The soil pipe is most likely just being stubborn if it isn't coming out the
fittings. Try twisting it round, backwards and forwards, rather than just
straight pulling force. They're tight to go in, and even tighter coming
out. :-))

Good luck with it.


You might need a multikwik adjustable reach bend. MKBAR90. You can
find it at the multikwik site.

The problem with the swan necks is that the knuckle gets in the way if
the back of the toilet is in line with the spigot. This is the case
with the toilet I got from B&Q. It means a swan neck pan connector
will not fit on to the pan. Allow me to draw you a really bad diagram
to illustrate (the stars show where the hit occurrs)


Toilet Connector

|
|
-- -----------
| | \
| | \
| | \
| | |
-- ---- |
| \ |
| | |
| / |
| --- /
| / /
| / /
| ** / ---
| **| |
| | |
| | |

_|---------|_ Soil Stack


I had to get an adjustable reach bend from multikwik direct as I could
not find anywhere that sold them. I tried every pan connector
combination imaginable and this was the only thing that worked. I
fitted the toilet last weekend and it all fitted perfectly. If it
wasn't for this little marvel then I would have had to remove part of
the soil stack. Since I'm not really a poo man it was good news all
round!

HTH

Matt

BigWallop wrote:
"hays" wrote...
It seems I could hacksaw off about 3" from the loo end of the
pipe, refit the rubber seal and push the loo back onto it

Is this acceptable or an outright bodge ???

an outright bodge

Should be OK, though, shouldn't it, as long as the connection
can still be made without having to pack up the bowl unduly,
or site it in a hole!

be !
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:18:40 GMT, "BigWallop"
wrote:

Nihil illegitimati te carborundum. Decem quattuor amicus bonus. Sumus semper
in excretum sed alto variat. Decem quattuor amica bona. Veni, Vidi, Vici.
Taurum excretum intellectam confusat.

Hmm, ROT13 isn't working on this so I guess I've stumbled onto some
sort of ancient language problem. This hasn't reverted to the
Newcastle thread above I suppose, it sounds like it might be related?
(I'm basing that assumption on what Art and Dec speak like).

PoP

On 30 Oct 2003 03:35:20 -0800, (Nearly
Done!) wrote:

I had to get an adjustable reach bend from multikwik direct as I could

Just to follow up on this - I found their web site:

http://www.multikwik.com/

Looks like a useful resource to know.

PoP

jerrybuilt wrote:
BigWallop wrote:
"hays" wrote...
It seems I could hacksaw off about 3" from the loo end of the
pipe, refit the rubber seal and push the loo back onto it

Is this acceptable or an outright bodge ???

an outright bodge

Should be OK, though, shouldn't it, as long as the connection
can still be made without having to pack up the bowl unduly,
or site it in a hole!
He means 3" off the horizontal bit ...