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Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing
more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? Thanks David |
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Lobster wrote:
Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? Thanks David I don't think that repair option does as you wish. How high a spec. is your machine? I ask because in considering similar, I would be tempted to try a virtual machine if my machine were suitable. (Not enough memory or disc space on this laptop I use.) This comes partly from partner's very positive experience of running XP within a virtual machine on her Mac (using VMWare Fusion). And partly from using VMWare way back (to run 98 within W2K). My thought is that you could build a new environment, test it, transfer stuff, etc. When happy with that, rebuild a basic environment, re-install the virtual machine software and run what you created earlier. With sufficient disc space you can keep several copies of your virtual machine. However, I do not know the current costs, supported configurations, licensing issues, etc. -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org |
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"Lobster" wrote Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. Have you tried running hardware diagnostics first? Slo-o-o-w running I have found is often due to clutter, but crashing can be memory failure etc. Did you get a diagnostic CD with your PC? I would consider at the least running a memory check as issues here can regularly result in frequent crashes. Should be able to download free memory test - sorry don't have link to hand Phil |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:00:57 +0000, Rod wrote:
Lobster wrote: Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? Thanks David I don't think that repair option does as you wish. How high a spec. is your machine? I ask because in considering similar, I would be tempted to try a virtual machine if my machine were suitable. (Not enough memory or disc space on this laptop I use.) This comes partly from partner's very positive experience of running XP within a virtual machine on her Mac (using VMWare Fusion). And partly from using VMWare way back (to run 98 within W2K). My thought is that you could build a new environment, test it, transfer stuff, etc. When happy with that, rebuild a basic environment, re-install the virtual machine software and run what you created earlier. With sufficient disc space you can keep several copies of your virtual machine. However, I do not know the current costs, supported configurations, licensing issues, etc. A VM solution could work well, unless the OP uses a lot of very graphics intensive programs - games etc. Apart from that, VMs work well. Feed them RAM though, as much as you can fit in. Another alternative is a 'parallel installation' of XP into another directory, say C:\WINNT2. You should then get the choice at bootup which to use, and still keep access to the exisitng files. You can also boot the old one if you need specific apps which you can't/don't want to install on the new one. |
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"Lobster" wrote in message ... Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? You could try the System Restore if you have it running. I had some kind of virus/trojan eating up my chip last week. I used SR to restore the system to its condition of a week earlier. No problems now! Arthur |
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Lobster wrote: Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. Have you tried CCleaner? However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? XP has a system restore facility. It works on dates - so if you remember when you installed service pack 3 you could try going back to before that. It gave me all sorts of problems here so that's what I did. But don't take my way as gospel. PCs are a bit of a black art here. ;-) -- *It's lonely at the top, but you eat better. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Should be able to download free memory test - sorry don't have link to hand http://www.memtest.org/ -- Mike Clarke |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Lobster wrote: Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. Have you tried CCleaner? However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? XP has a system restore facility. It works on dates - so if you remember when you installed service pack 3 you could try going back to before that. It gave me all sorts of problems here so that's what I did. But don't take my way as gospel. PCs are a bit of a black art here. ;-) -- *It's lonely at the top, but you eat better. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. I regularly use this to keep a check on changes to performance. Used it for years. (although I prefer the "old test") |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Lobster wrote: Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. Have you tried CCleaner? However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? XP has a system restore facility. It works on dates - so if you remember when you installed service pack 3 you could try going back to before that. It gave me all sorts of problems here so that's what I did. But don't take my way as gospel. PCs are a bit of a black art here. ;-) -- *It's lonely at the top, but you eat better. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. Sorry: http://pcpitstop.com/ Give it a go. |
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Lobster wrote:
Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? Thanks David If the machine is increasingly running slowly and is unstable two common causes are virus infestation or the hard drive is starting to fail and having to do a lot of IO attempts to get and write data. You can download tools to check the health of your hard drive. -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:00:57 +0000, Rod wrote: Lobster wrote: Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? Thanks David I don't think that repair option does as you wish. How high a spec. is your machine? I ask because in considering similar, I would be tempted to try a virtual machine if my machine were suitable. (Not enough memory or disc space on this laptop I use.) This comes partly from partner's very positive experience of running XP within a virtual machine on her Mac (using VMWare Fusion). And partly from using VMWare way back (to run 98 within W2K). My thought is that you could build a new environment, test it, transfer stuff, etc. When happy with that, rebuild a basic environment, re-install the virtual machine software and run what you created earlier. With sufficient disc space you can keep several copies of your virtual machine. However, I do not know the current costs, supported configurations, licensing issues, etc. A VM solution could work well, unless the OP uses a lot of very graphics intensive programs - games etc. Apart from that, VMs work well. Feed them RAM though, as much as you can fit in. Another alternative is a 'parallel installation' of XP into another directory, say C:\WINNT2. You should then get the choice at bootup which to use, and still keep access to the exisitng files. You can also boot the old one if you need specific apps which you can't/don't want to install on the new one. Yep - the old dual boot is definitely a good idea. Much better than risking trashing the existing system without a proven working alternative. I feel the possibility of copying a VM (once you have created one) from one physical box to another and just running it is a mega-advantage. (Not an argument!) -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org |
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"Lobster" wrote in message ... Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? Crashing is more likely to be a hardware fault than a windows one. XP is fairly fault tolerant and usually if something goes wrong it will usually just be an application that stops running rather than the whole system crashing. First thing I'd do is download CCleaner (Crap Cleaner) which I recommended on here a year or so ago. It will remove all the unwanted temp files and cookies that build up over time and slow the pc down. Be sure to mark any cookies you want to save because they have website preferences set up in them first in the "Options", "Cookies" section. That will probably mean ploughing through a listing of hundreds of them to find the ones you want to keep but once you've done it you can run CCleaner every day in seconds. The first time I ran it it removed several thousand unwanted files and even on a daily basis it gets rid of up to 100 mb of crap that websites have stored on your disk. Also run its Registry Clean option every now and then. Second thing to do is run a decent anti-malware program to see if anything nasty is lurking on the disk. I suggest MalwareBytes AntiMalware (MBAM). It's completely free, doesn't have any adware or spyware in it and doesn't hog system resources. It will deal with most viruses, trojans, spyware and adware but I've just had to manually remove a couple of really nasty trojans using the Recovery Console that had made themselves undeleteable on both the disk and in the registry. If you come across anything that tricky then ask on alt.comp.anti-virus. Third thing to do is to become better aquainted with the usual running processes shown in Task Manager so you can spot unwanted ones i.e viruses more quickly. Type the name of a process you're not familiar with into Google and you'll find a website somewhere telling you what it is and whether it's a normal part of Windows or malware. Soon you'll be able to scan down the list in seconds and tell at a glance if you have something new and unwanted in there. It's also a good idea to go into Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs and get rid of anything you no longer want. Be aware though most uninstalls don't get rid of everything. You still often have to go manually into both Programme Files and Documents and Settings to delete directories and files the install created. If after all that you are still having problems then either it's XP or hardware. Instructions for a repair from CD are here http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm but you'd be better off with a slipstreamed CD that already has the service packs on it because the repair will remove them otherwise and you'll have to download them again. -- Dave Baker |
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Dave Baker wrote:
"Lobster" wrote in message ... Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? Crashing is more likely to be a hardware fault than a windows one. XP is fairly fault tolerant and usually if something goes wrong it will usually just be an application that stops running rather than the whole system crashing. First thing I'd do is download CCleaner (Crap Cleaner) which I recommended on here a year or so ago. It will remove all the unwanted temp files and cookies that build up over time and slow the pc down. Be sure to mark any cookies you want to save because they have website preferences set up in them first in the "Options", "Cookies" section. That will probably mean ploughing through a listing of hundreds of them to find the ones you want to keep but once you've done it you can run CCleaner every day in seconds. The first time I ran it it removed several thousand unwanted files and even on a daily basis it gets rid of up to 100 mb of crap that websites have stored on your disk. Also run its Registry Clean option every now and then. Second thing to do is run a decent anti-malware program to see if anything nasty is lurking on the disk. I suggest MalwareBytes AntiMalware (MBAM). It's completely free, doesn't have any adware or spyware in it and doesn't hog system resources. It will deal with most viruses, trojans, spyware and adware but I've just had to manually remove a couple of really nasty trojans using the Recovery Console that had made themselves undeleteable on both the disk and in the registry. If you come across anything that tricky then ask on alt.comp.anti-virus. Third thing to do is to become better aquainted with the usual running processes shown in Task Manager so you can spot unwanted ones i.e viruses more quickly. Type the name of a process you're not familiar with into Google and you'll find a website somewhere telling you what it is and whether it's a normal part of Windows or malware. Soon you'll be able to scan down the list in seconds and tell at a glance if you have something new and unwanted in there. It's also a good idea to go into Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs and get rid of anything you no longer want. Be aware though most uninstalls don't get rid of everything. You still often have to go manually into both Programme Files and Documents and Settings to delete directories and files the install created. If after all that you are still having problems then either it's XP or hardware. Instructions for a repair from CD are here http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm but you'd be better off with a slipstreamed CD that already has the service packs on it because the repair will remove them otherwise and you'll have to download them again. Just don't rely on system restore. Mine goes through the motions then, after reboot, it says it wasn't possible, try another date. Same thing whatever date I choose. Turned the bugger off. I don't know (or care) what the problem is BTW |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:31:08 +0000, Lobster wrote:
Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? Thanks David ========================================= Try 'Spybot' if you're not already using it. It used to find some extraordinary things when I was using Windows. Cic. -- ========================================== Using Ubuntu Linux Windows shown the door ========================================== |
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"Stuart Noble" wrote in message om... Just don't rely on system restore. Mine goes through the motions then, after reboot, it says it wasn't possible, try another date. Same thing whatever date I choose. Turned the bugger off. I don't know (or care) what the problem is BTW System Restore works extremely well and reliably so if yours isn't then either you have malware which is crippling it or a serious windows installation problem. System Restore is a good way of getting rid of malware so it's becoming more common for viruses and trojans to disable it first as part of their procedures. Even if you don't care I still suggest you download Malwarebytes AntiMalware and see what it comes up with. There are some really unpleasant malwares going about at the moment like Vundo which can be very difficult to remove unless you're seriously au fait with what goes on under the hood on your pc. I keep a fairly close eye on my pc security and what's going on under the hood but I've still got landed with two real stinkers in the last couple of weeks which had me struggling to shift them for a while despite me being very experienced at that type of thing. Hackers have found ways to make their virus files almost impossible to delete either in Normal mode or Safe mode by linking them into other processes which tell you the file is in use and so can't be deleted. You have to do it from a boot CD or the Recovery Console or by putting the disk into another machine as the D drive. You still have to know enough to find them in the first place though so you know what to delete. Also keep an eye on any other unusual behaviour such as Google searches taking you to sites other than the ones you were expecting. -- Dave Baker |
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"Dave Baker" wrote in message ... "Stuart Noble" wrote in message om... Just don't rely on system restore. Mine goes through the motions then, after reboot, it says it wasn't possible, try another date. Same thing whatever date I choose. Turned the bugger off. I don't know (or care) what the problem is BTW System Restore works extremely well and reliably so if yours isn't then either you have malware which is crippling it or a serious windows installation problem. System Restore is a good way of getting rid of malware so it's becoming more common for viruses and trojans to disable it first as part of their procedures. Even if you don't care I still suggest you download Malwarebytes AntiMalware and see what it comes up with. The other anti-malware program which is getting a very good reputation is SuperAntiSpyware. It's a wanky name but a good program. Also never download anything stated to remove malware that you see in Google ads or on websites unless you really know it's a genuine product. Half of these things actually instal malware rather than remove it. -- Dave Baker |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:31:08 +0000, Lobster wrote:
Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? Thanks David Before trying anything it might be prudent to image the disk to another physical HDD, say a USB drive. There are some free imaging tools available on bootable CD's. This way, if you mess it up, you can at least retrun to the same state. This may not be practical if you have the whole of your HDD formatted as a single partition. The image file may well be bigger than your USB HDD. |
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Dave Baker wrote:
"Stuart Noble" wrote in message om... Just don't rely on system restore. Mine goes through the motions then, after reboot, it says it wasn't possible, try another date. Same thing whatever date I choose. Turned the bugger off. I don't know (or care) what the problem is BTW System Restore works extremely well and reliably so if yours isn't then either you have malware which is crippling it or a serious windows installation problem. System Restore is a good way of getting rid of malware so it's becoming more common for viruses and trojans to disable it first as part of their procedures. [snip] I like the way in which you declare that XP is a fine robust OS and that all problems are hardware glitches. Then you go on (and on) for long paragraphs discussing problems that are solely software issues and the fact that the Windows security model sucks donkey dick. |
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On Jan 24, 2:31*am, Lobster wrote:
Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? *Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? Thanks David Do you have a updated security program, Norton will do a free test to see if you have a bug. Is system fairly new, is HD full have you drefraged it. Getting rid of junk programs, and check if XP has updates and run scans. |
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"Lobster" wrote in message
... Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? I assume you are not short of memory? When first installed, a low memory system apparently works fine. Then you add more and more software until it has to swap like mad. At his stage you can get a "swapping storm" leading to a blue screen of death as something overflows. I've recently given a new lease of life to some old PCs for others by simply installing extra memory from Crucial. (So I could return it if it didn't work, but haven't had to do that yet...) -- John W To mail me replace the obvious with co.uk twice |
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Rod wrote:
Lobster wrote: Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? Thanks David I don't think that repair option does as you wish. How high a spec. is your machine? I ask because in considering similar, I would be tempted to try a virtual machine if my machine were suitable. (Not enough memory or disc space on this laptop I use.) This comes partly from partner's very positive experience of running XP within a virtual machine on her Mac (using VMWare Fusion). And partly from using VMWare way back (to run 98 within W2K). My thought is that you could build a new environment, test it, transfer stuff, etc. When happy with that, rebuild a basic environment, re-install the virtual machine software and run what you created earlier. With sufficient disc space you can keep several copies of your virtual machine. However, I do not know the current costs, supported configurations, licensing issues, etc. Thanks for all the replies. Sounds like the answer to my original question is "no" then! I've already done most of the tricks and tests people have suggested (but not all, and I'll follow those up). I'm intrigued by the idea of running a virtual machine though. Currently I have several networked machines running XP Home for family use; they are all fairly old and low-spec ones, and the idea of buying one new decent one to use as a server for the others sounds attractive. I've also had positive experience of using VMs from an employer, both working from home over the internet and working in the office. It had never occurred to me to be able to reproduce that at home - I thought it was pretty high-level, and expensive business software etc. Is it a realistic proposition for an only averagely competent Windows home user to get involved with? Anyone got any useful links to share? Thanks David |
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Even if you don't care I still suggest you download Malwarebytes AntiMalware and see what it comes up with. Yeah, did that. Came up with a couple of odd registry entries, but nothing more. I'll add it to all the other things that are constantly monitoring my every move :-) Do you think Spybot and Adaware are worth keeping? Zone Alarm seems to be ever more intrusive too. |
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Rod wrote: Lobster wrote: Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. How would that work, given that my XP disks are (IIRC) SP1, and I'm currently running SP3? Does that matter or will I screw everything up if I try? Thanks David I don't think that repair option does as you wish. How high a spec. is your machine? I ask because in considering similar, I would be tempted to try a virtual machine if my machine were suitable. (Not enough memory or disc space on this laptop I use.) This comes partly from partner's very positive experience of running XP within a virtual machine on her Mac (using VMWare Fusion). And partly from using VMWare way back (to run 98 within W2K). My thought is that you could build a new environment, test it, transfer stuff, etc. When happy with that, rebuild a basic environment, re-install the virtual machine software and run what you created earlier. With sufficient disc space you can keep several copies of your virtual machine. However, I do not know the current costs, supported configurations, licensing issues, etc. Thanks for all the replies. Sounds like the answer to my original question is "no" then! I've already done most of the tricks and tests people have suggested (but not all, and I'll follow those up). I'm intrigued by the idea of running a virtual machine though. Currently I have several networked machines running XP Home for family use; they are all fairly old and low-spec ones, and the idea of buying one new decent one to use as a server for the others sounds attractive. I've also had positive experience of using VMs from an employer, both working from home over the internet and working in the office. It had never occurred to me to be able to reproduce that at home - I thought it was pretty high-level, and expensive business software etc. Is it a realistic proposition for an only averagely competent Windows home user to get involved with? Anyone got any useful links to share? Thanks David Getting a VM up and running is simple to anyone with any understanding of PCs. The difficult bits are making the right choice of VM software (Virtual PC from MS, VMWare or Virtual Box) - http://www.virtualbox.org/ - keeping costs sensible, and not transgressing any licenses. (Or at least, not such that you cause yourself a problem.) I have two PCs at present. One laptop dedicated to XP. And a desktop that I only ever use via Remote Desktop - which runs Vista for 'research' purposes. I keep meaning to get some other operating systems on that machine - but have not yet decided what way round to do things. Would happily tell you more but I am a bit out of touch with it on the Windows front. -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org |
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Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing
more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. How old is it, and is there a common theme to the crashing ? - I had a system that was getting increasingly random crashes, and despite building quite a few systems over the years, I was struggling to diagnose the cause. It turned out to be bad capacitors around the processor - which was quite common at one point, as a lot of manufacturers used a cheap chinese clone of the electrolyte from a stolen formula, but was missing one crucial ingredient :-} If you're comfortable taking the side off, look for any bulging, however slight around the big capacitors around the CPU - one or two might be ever so slightly "domed" or leaking, and it only takes one faulty one for the system to keel over randomly. However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. Depending on the mode of failure, if it happens within a couple of hours of booting up, it's worth using a linux boot CD and seeing if the system crashes with that running - if so, it's likely to be hardware related, and harder to diagnose... Other than that it's hard to know where to start - what software is installed, and if you say Norton or McAfee we reserve the right to laugh :-p Have you noticed any potentially "malevolent" behaviour which might indicate a worm / virus / malware / spyware ? |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:33:40 -0000, John wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... [27 quoted lines suppressed] Sorry: http://pcpitstop.com/ Give it a go. You have to pay for the end-to-end functionality. Why not get System Mechanic, which is - AFAIK - currently free? |
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Try 'Spybot' if you're not already using it. It used to find some
extraordinary things when I was using Windows. In that case, your security was seriously lacking :-p |
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Would happily tell you more but I am a bit out of touch with it on the
Windows front. Virtualbox is a good one to go for - i've got about 9 "machines" set up under my install of it. |
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Yeah, did that. Came up with a couple of odd registry entries, but
nothing more. I'll add it to all the other things that are constantly monitoring my every move :-) Do you think Spybot and Adaware are worth keeping? Zone Alarm seems to be ever more intrusive too. Spybot S&D and Adaware are both worth keeping, but might be a little bit of overkill. As someone who's used Spybot for years, I tend to recommend that to people, and have some lame instructions on setting it up on my website http://www.coreutilities.co.uk ZA is getting more intrusive, but it's always a pain for the first couple of weeks until it gets to know what programs you use on a regular basis. |
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Colin Wilson wrote:
Try 'Spybot' if you're not already using it. It used to find some extraordinary things when I was using Windows. In that case, your security was seriously lacking :-p I don't think so - SPybot *found* some extraordinary things. That's security in action :-) |
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Colin Wilson wrote:
Would happily tell you more but I am a bit out of touch with it on the Windows front. Virtualbox is a good one to go for - i've got about 9 "machines" set up under my install of it. For fun I just installed virtualbox on my Vista desktop. Then created an ubuntu VM. Ran it - it worked. All done remotely from my XP laptop. Managed all of that, including the downloads, within the time partner was on the phone to her sister. Nothing difficult. Instructions readily available on the net. -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org |
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In that case, your security was seriously lacking :-p
I don't think so - SPybot *found* some extraordinary things. That's security in action :-) Not quite - ideally they shouldn't have been able to get onto his system in the first place. This example is not security in action, it's security after the fact. Simple steps might have reduced the potential damage that may have been caused, such as: 1) SpywareBlaster - blocks known activex exploits 2) Firefox - far less prone to being hacked than IE in real life 3) Spybot S&D (properly configured) - hosts file & immunize (immunize on Spybot S&D is similar to the protection offered by SpywareBlaster, but it does no harm having both on the system in case one catches something the other doesn't) |
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In message , Colin
Wilson o.uk writes In that case, your security was seriously lacking :-p I don't think so - SPybot *found* some extraordinary things. That's security in action :-) Not quite - ideally they shouldn't have been able to get onto his system in the first place. This example is not security in action, it's security after the fact. Simple steps might have reduced the potential damage that may have been caused, such as: 1) SpywareBlaster - blocks known activex exploits 2) Firefox - far less prone to being hacked than IE in real life I seem to have a problem with FF atm takes half a minute to load, even after having removed and reinstalled it IE and chrome seem fine 3) Spybot S&D (properly configured) - hosts file & immunize (immunize on Spybot S&D is similar to the protection offered by SpywareBlaster, but it does no harm having both on the system in case one catches something the other doesn't) -- geoff |
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Lobster wrote:
I'm intrigued by the idea of running a virtual machine though. Currently I have several networked machines running XP Home for family use; they are all fairly old and low-spec ones, and the idea of buying one new decent one to use as a server for the others sounds attractive. Sadly that is exactly the wrong way round. Servers don't need huge power or RAM Desktops do. The biggest chewers of CPU cycles and RAM are graphics intensive apps - video stuff, web browsers running scripts and the like. Grappng data off a disk and spitting it out of an ethernet port can be dne by a cvverty low spec machine. I have an entry level motherboard and 512Mbyte of Ram and its more than adequate. Wheras to run a decent video screen you need at least a GHZ of processor and at least a gig of ram, maybe more. I've also had positive experience of using VMs from an employer, both working from home over the internet and working in the office. It had never occurred to me to be able to reproduce that at home - I thought it was pretty high-level, and expensive business software etc. Is it a realistic proposition for an only averagely competent Windows home user to get involved with? Anyone got any useful links to share? Get an old machine witha decent amont of ram, get linux going for fun, and see how you go. Thanks David |
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"Stuart Noble" wrote in message om... Dave Baker wrote: Even if you don't care I still suggest you download Malwarebytes AntiMalware and see what it comes up with. Yeah, did that. Came up with a couple of odd registry entries, but nothing more. I'll add it to all the other things that are constantly monitoring my every move :-) Do you think Spybot and Adaware are worth keeping? They're mainly going to find tracking cookies which aren't really a problem and are going to be deleted if you use CCleaner daily anyway. I only have an old 800mhz Pentium with 256mb ram so anything that takes up resources I could be doing with for other things is a real pain so I only run anti-malware programs when I know I have a problem. It would be nice to have a decent anti-virus program running in the background all the time but they slow things down too much for me. I just keep the browser settings as secure as I can, run CCleaner frequently and keep an eye on the running processes in Task Manager. If I get a virus so be it but I actually quite enjoy pitting my wits against them and rooting them out manually rather than with anti-malware programs. It invariably teaches you something new about pcs each time at least. Just keep your important data backed up somewhere and there's not much malware can do that's impossible to recover from. Even keeping copies of your data on the same disk but a different partition like the D drive helps because I've never come across a virus that infected anything other than on the C partition. Usually they lurk in the Windows\System32 directory so it helps to know what should and should not be in there. The other program I use every day is Ztree which is a Dos style file and directory manager for decrepit individuals like me who grew up with pcs when they first came out and can't get on with the newfangled Windoze way of doing things. It lets me see what's on my disk more easily, sort files by name, date, extension etc, search for them by partial name with templates such as *xxx*.*, change file attributes or date stamps and edit text files. -- Dave Baker |
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Colin Wilson wrote:
Was just wondering... my PC is running increasingly badly and crashing more often, to the extent that I reckon I need to reformat the HD and do a clean re-install of XP, which no doubt will cure the problem. How old is it, and is there a common theme to the crashing ? - I had a system that was getting increasingly random crashes, and despite building quite a few systems over the years, I was struggling to diagnose the cause. It turned out to be bad capacitors around the processor - which was quite common at one point, as a lot of manufacturers used a cheap chinese clone of the electrolyte from a stolen formula, but was missing one crucial ingredient :-} If you're comfortable taking the side off, look for any bulging, however slight around the big capacitors around the CPU - one or two might be ever so slightly "domed" or leaking, and it only takes one faulty one for the system to keel over randomly. However, as a no-risk option I thought it might first be worth trying to 'repair' the existing installation, which is one of the options on my XP bootable CD. Depending on the mode of failure, if it happens within a couple of hours of booting up, it's worth using a linux boot CD and seeing if the system crashes with that running - if so, it's likely to be hardware related, and harder to diagnose... Other than that it's hard to know where to start - what software is installed, and if you say Norton or McAfee we reserve the right to laugh :-p Have you noticed any potentially "malevolent" behaviour which might indicate a worm / virus / malware / spyware ? Yes, everyone immediately thinks 'software' cos its Windows. However crashes can as easily be caused by random hardware corruption. I got some RAM off ebay for this machine. (Mac G4) It started to go really flakey, and I thought the disk had gione..then I grabbed a new disk and reinstalled, and the problems mostly went, but **** still kept happening. So I started removing one memory stick at a time. with one out, I had a stable system. That's in the bin now. The other issue is drive failure. 2-5 years i all a heap IDE drve worked fairly hard can take. And never forget fans..again this machine stopped working last summer. took it outside and blew a ton of fluff out of the power supply and the CPU fans. Machine now runs fine. So before reinstalling ANYTHING. check those puffy caps,. reseat all memory, run memtest stuff, clean out the fans of all dust, and run a complete surface scan on the disk. Ad if there is a Bios battery, check and replace. Once you have a reasonably high certainty of good HARDWARE, add software. |
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"Steve Firth" wrote in message ... Dave Baker wrote: "Stuart Noble" wrote in message om... Just don't rely on system restore. Mine goes through the motions then, after reboot, it says it wasn't possible, try another date. Same thing whatever date I choose. Turned the bugger off. I don't know (or care) what the problem is BTW System Restore works extremely well and reliably so if yours isn't then either you have malware which is crippling it or a serious windows installation problem. System Restore is a good way of getting rid of malware so it's becoming more common for viruses and trojans to disable it first as part of their procedures. [snip] I like the way in which you declare that XP is a fine robust OS and that all problems are hardware glitches. Then you go on (and on) for long paragraphs discussing problems that are solely software issues and the fact that the Windows security model sucks donkey dick. I similarly admire the way you invent things that I haven't actually said in anything close to your chosen words and then attack them. It's called a straw man argument but I doubt you know that. After a quick Google Groups search which reveals you to be a **** who ****es off everyone who encounters you I'm going to reward that admiration with the latest place in my killfile. Click. Bye bye ******. -- Dave Baker |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:33:24 -0000, Colin Wilson wrote:
In that case, your security was seriously lacking :-p I don't think so - SPybot *found* some extraordinary things. That's security in action :-) Not quite - ideally they shouldn't have been able to get onto his system in the first place. This example is not security in action, it's security after the fact. Simple steps might have reduced the potential damage that may have been caused, such as: 1) SpywareBlaster - blocks known activex exploits 2) Firefox - far less prone to being hacked than IE in real life 3) Spybot S&D (properly configured) - hosts file & immunize (immunize on Spybot S&D is similar to the protection offered by SpywareBlaster, but it does no harm having both on the system in case one catches something the other doesn't) And don't forget the MVPS HOSTS file, which short-circuits a great many tracking cookies by redirecting name resolution for the host sites (e.g. doubleclick) to the loopback adapter (127.0.0.1). As a result, where the adverts themselves are served by these tracking sites, they won't be displayed on client commercial web sites, so there will be empty space where they would otherwise be displayed. http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm There are a couple of utilities to be found down the page, that assist with maintaing the HOSTS file. I use "HOSTS File Manager" that can be found he http://dundats.mvps.org/Software/Index.htm FYI, the HOSTS file lives in the drive:\windir\system32\drivers\etc folder (on my system, that's C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc). |
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Dave Baker wrote:
"Stuart Noble" wrote in message om... Dave Baker wrote: Even if you don't care I still suggest you download Malwarebytes AntiMalware and see what it comes up with. Yeah, did that. Came up with a couple of odd registry entries, but nothing more. I'll add it to all the other things that are constantly monitoring my every move :-) Do you think Spybot and Adaware are worth keeping? They're mainly going to find tracking cookies which aren't really a problem and are going to be deleted if you use CCleaner daily anyway. I only have an old 800mhz Pentium with 256mb ram so anything that takes up resources I could be doing with for other things is a real pain so I only run anti-malware programs when I know I have a problem. It would be nice to have a decent anti-virus program running in the background all the time but they slow things down too much for me. I just keep the browser settings as secure as I can, run CCleaner frequently and keep an eye on the running processes in Task Manager. If I get a virus so be it but I actually quite enjoy pitting my wits against them and rooting them out manually rather than with anti-malware programs. It invariably teaches you something new about pcs each time at least. Just keep your important data backed up somewhere and there's not much malware can do that's impossible to recover from. Even keeping copies of your data on the same disk but a different partition like the D drive helps because I've never come across a virus that infected anything other than on the C partition. Usually they lurk in the Windows\System32 directory so it helps to know what should and should not be in there. The other program I use every day is Ztree which is a Dos style file and directory manager for decrepit individuals like me who grew up with pcs when they first came out and can't get on with the newfangled Windoze way of doing things. It lets me see what's on my disk more easily, sort files by name, date, extension etc, search for them by partial name with templates such as *xxx*.*, change file attributes or date stamps and edit text files. Hmm. I refuse to allow the PC's inner workings to become a hobby. I've seen what it does to people :-) |
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Dave Baker wrote:
"Steve Firth" wrote in message ... [snip] I like the way in which you declare that XP is a fine robust OS and that all problems are hardware glitches. Then you go on (and on) for long paragraphs discussing problems that are solely software issues and the fact that the Windows security model sucks donkey dick. I similarly admire the way you invent things that I haven't actually said in anything close to your chosen words and then attack them. It's called a straw man argument but I doubt you know that. After a quick Google Groups search which reveals you to be a **** who ****es off everyone who encounters you I'm going to reward that admiration with the latest place in my killfile. Click. Bye bye ******. "Crashing is more likely to be a hardware fault than a windows one. XP is fairly fault tolerant and usually if something goes wrong it will usually just be an application that stops running rather than the whole system crashing." I suppose you need to kill file to run away from being called to book for your lie. |
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