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NT ==Lubricating oils== Oils whose primary use is for lubrication. ===Machine oil=== Machine oil is a thin light petrolum oil used for undemanding lubrication, such as small machinery, hand tools etc. It is also widely used to thinly coat steel tools before export, preventing rust. Sewing machines and many other appliances use machine oil. Baby oil is machine oil with a little mild perfume added, and this is a very convenient way to buy machine oil for many DIYers. (The method of its extraction from babies remains a closely guarded secret.) ===Engine oil=== Engine oils are excellent lubricants. They are highly stable petroleum derived oils, with additives to enhance their stability even further. 20/50 was once the most common engine oil grade, but 10/30 took over as the dominant grade a couple of decades ago. 10/30 is less viscous, and pumping it uses less energy. ===Used engine oil=== Used engine oil is blackened by engine deposits and assorted burnt matter. It still lubricates, but the potential for toxicity of a contaminant and its dirtiness make it unpopular for DIY use. 50/50 engine oil and paraffin or diesel has long been used to preserve woodwork. Its effective and cheap, but dark in colour and contains unspecified engine contaminants. New oil and paraffin is a better alternative, with neither of these issues. ===Castor oil=== Castor oil was the original engine oil, and the source of the name Castrol. Its still available for historic vehicles designed to use it. It is a fixed grade of oil, unlike today's multigrades, hence its viscosity varies considerably with temperature. It is much more prone to gumming than modern engine oils, and is not suitable for today's engines. ===Gear oil=== Related to engine oil, gear oils are designed to survive higher shear forces than engine oils. Engine oil is not recommended for gearboxes (with the exception of the original Mini) ===2 stroke oil=== Another petroleum lubricating oil. ===Silicone oil=== A high price oil occasionally used as a DIY lubricant. ==Fuel oils== Oils primarily used as fuels ===Diesel, 35 second oil=== Red diesel and 35 second oil are the same product. Also known as gas oil. Red diesel is only legal for non-road uses. Its occasionally used as heating oil for old installations. 35 and 28 second oils aren't interchangeable, 35 second requires a larger burner jet and causes more heat exchanger fouling. Red diesel has 2 markers, one visible (red), one not. These stain filters. Tankers are labelled UN1202. Despite being a petroleum product, diesel is not easy to ignite. Applying a naked flame to a pool of diesel isn't likely to light it. ===Paraffin=== Best known as a fuel for heating & blowlamps, paraffin has several other uses too * insect repellant * mix with oil to make a penetrating oil * engine oil flushing additive * cleaner especially effective for all types of vehicle & road dirts, oils, tars, bitumen, etc Paraffin can be used neat for cleaning car parts, or it can be mixed with water & a detergent. Paraffin is now also known as: * premium kerosene * kerosene C1 * premium burning oil (PBO) Paraffin has been dyed with several different colours over time, including blue, pink, yellow, green. ===Heating oil, 28 second oil=== aka * 28 second heating oil, * kerosene * kerosene C2 * Tankers are labelled UN1223 Widely used for central heating. Its a less refined grade of paraffin. Since it can run an engine it contains an invisible marker to detect illegal on-road use. Its not the same grade as road diesel, its thinner, but it works. Supply of 28 second oil is a competitive market, and worth phoning around. ===Lamp oil=== Deodorised dyed paraffin, avoids creating the famous oil heater whiff. ==Other oils== ===Oil thickener=== Very thick oils are used on their own in speed reducing devices, eg in devices to slow the opening of cassette deck doors. They are also added to car engines to thicken the engine oil, reducing the blue smoke output of worn engines. Oil thickeners are available from car accessory shops. ===Penetrating oil=== Penetrating oil is a mix of thin oil and an agent such as paraffin which cuts the oil's viscosity. Penetrating oils are able to penetrate tiny gaps and help unseize corroded fixings. These are much used in car repair. If no penetrating oil is to hand, a mix of thin oil and a viscosity cutter (eg paraffin) works. ===hydraulic oil=== As used in hydraulic jacks. what type is this? (Brake fluid is not oil) ==Decorator's oils== Mostly used in finishing ===Linseed oil=== * Thins oil based paints, but greatly extends drying time. * Enables water based paints to adhere to a greater range of surfaces (mix in 1-2% linseed oil) * Makes a range of putties & mastics * Thins linseed putty * Makes tack rags * Used in some finishing oil mixtures for wood Raw linseed oil is just linseed oil. Boiled linseed oil is today linseed oil plus chemical dryers. Boiled oil sets to a gum in time, raw either doesn't or takes an extremely long time. Boiled should be used in all the above applications, though raw is also fine for tack rags. ===Tung oil=== ===Danish oil=== ==Additives & alternatives== ===Engine oil & paraffin=== A 50/50 mix has several uses. * wood preservative * penetrating oil * corrosion inhibitor - but it becomes slightly sticky ===Graphite=== Graphite is a solid lubricant. Graphite powder is sometimes added to oils to improve lubrication, and in some cases can even be used instead of oil. Its electrically conductive. ===Teflon=== Teflon is another solid lubricant, and much the same can be said for it as graphite. ===Paraffin=== Can be added to oil to cut its viscosity temporarily. However it eventually evporates. ===Vegetable oil=== Several plant derived oils are used for cooking. These lubricate, but over time they gum up badly. This greatly limits their use, but they're fine for jobs such as lubricating [[screws]]. Feeding the DIYer is the main use. ===Margerine=== Most margerines are plant oil (sometimes fish oil) based, with a large percentage of added water. These can sometimes be used as a last ditch lubricant, but they gum up eventually. The water content dries out, but can cause corrosion. ==Hair oils== A spoonful of oil added to a litre of shampoo acts as a hair conditioner. Commercial conditioners tend to use thick oils such as palm oil, castor oil, jojoba oil etc. ===Palm oil=== Palm oil is thick semi-solid natural oil, and a traditional hair conditioner in some countries. Its available from asian grocery stores, and can be added to shampoo to give conditioning properties. ===Castor oil=== Castor oil is another effective conditioning additive, but availability is poor, and allergic reaction to the castor bean is a known, albeit rare, phenomenon. ===Engine oil=== Engine oil is very effective as a hair conditioner (added to shampoo), but it should not be used due to its entirely unsuitable additives. ===Vegetable oil=== Its not as effective as engine oil, but is safe to use. Vegetable cooking oils are thinnner than the more usual conditioning oils, and this works better for some hair types, and less well for some. ==Branded products== A few branded products are well known in DIY and deserve their own mention. The well known brands can all be replaced with other good products at a fraction of the cost. ===3 in 1=== 3 in 1 is a brand of oil that attempts to be 3 things in one: lubricating oil, penetrating oil and corrosion prevention. Since these 3 tasks have conflicting requirements its impossible to make a good job of them with one product. Since its prone to becoming gummy its not recommended as a lubricant. The cans it comes in are handy. ===WD40=== WD stands for 'water displacer.' Water displacers are of very limited use in DIY today, primarily used to reduce rusting of tools in damp storage. Machine oil is the product of choice for this. WD40 also acts as a penetrating oil, though there are cheaper and in some people's opinion better brands out there, such as plusgas. WD40 is not recommended as a lubricant. The manufacturer claims [http://www.wd40.co.uk/media/images/LIST%20OF %202,000%20USES11.pdf 2000 uses for WD40]. While many of these are not uses we would rush to recommend, and many are simply duplication, there are some practical ones too. [http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/ household/wd-40.asp More uses & information]. Many appliances have been ruined by the indiscriminate application of WD40. It is not a cure-all and there are common products and materials to which it should not be applied. ===Swarfega=== Paraffin gel with additives. Paraffin alone makes quite a good substitute. ==Oil kit== Inevitably opinions vary on this, so this list is just intended as a quick starting point guide. A good kit of oils for DIY may contain: * Machine oil (thin lubricant, rust prevention) * Engine oil (thick lubricant, car) * Paraffin (cleaning, insect repellant, additive) * Penetrating oil (frees corroded fixings) * Linseed oil (paints, putties, polishes etc) ==Not usable== The following might tempt the ocasional DIYer, but are not usable for DIY. ===Petrol=== Petrol deserves a brief mention simply because is is not usable for any DIY use outside of running engines, but occasionally a DIYer decides to try it as a substitute. Its highly volatile and creates an explosive cloud of gas/air mixture. Inhaling the amount of fumes caused by painting with it causes anything from migraine to death. Petrol tankers are marked UN1203 ==Smoky engines== While there is more than one possible cause, vehicles with smoky engines are usually suffering from wear, which allows tiny amounts of engine oil into the cylinder, where it is burnt, producing smoke. This gets past worn valve seals more often than piston rings. Replacing 10/30 with 20/50 is often done to reduce smoking. Adding an oil thickener can reduce smoke output further. These are of course not proper cures and not manufacturer recommended, but have got a lot of cars through MOTs. ==Plumbing== Oil lines should use only compression fittings. ==Storage== New oil tanks must now be bunded to prevent contamination in case of leakage. Storage of large amounts of highly flammable fuel oils is strictly regulated by law. ==Spills== Cleanup methods include: * caustic soda * paraffin * hot pressure washing * burning the contaminated materials ==Disposal== Reusing the oil for something else is sometimes an option. Otherwise oils should be disposed of at the local tip, where its recycled. Heating boilers have occasionally been modified to burn used engine oil. This is cheap to run, but there are concerns over contaminants, and the relatively viscous oil must be preheated before the boiler can fire. ==See Also== * [[Grease]] * [[Special:Allpages|Wiki Contents]] * [[Special:Categories|Wiki Subject Categories]] [[Category:Heating]] [[Category:Fixings]] [[Category:Cleaning]] [[Category:Paint]] |
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Nose oil - used when applying gold leaf.
And not a single mention of olive oil - extra virgin or otherwise! That's chutzpah. -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:37:26 -0800 (PST), wrote: Paraffin has been dyed with several different colours over time, including blue, pink, yellow, green. As a marketing tool, "boom boom boom Esso Blue", can't remember whose was pink but I think there was a panther involved. Aladdin pink. And there was Fina Green Paraffin. -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org |
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:17:39 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:
wrote: Many appliances have been ruined by the indiscriminate application of WD40. Like what? Do we have any evidence? Why would it harm anything? I've got padlocks on sheds & gates 20+ years old, given a squirt of WD40 annually and none have gummed up or gone sticky - they all work perfectly. It is not a cure-all and there are common products and materials to which it should not be applied. Again, what shouldn't it be applied to? I've never damaged anything with it. We certainly shouldn't be putting opinions like this on the Wiki unless they have some scientific evidence. Hmm, for reasons I can't really quantify, I am rather predisposed against placing too much reliance on WD40 or similar squirt-on products. It *is* excellent at dispersing damp on ht leads, it helps with shifting accumulations of crud when carrying out some half-hearted maintenance on cheap power tools, and it can also help where, for want of a better description, 'coarse' lubrication is needed, like on gate hinges, bolts, etc. I certainly wouldn't consider using it as lubrication where there's a fairly heavy duty cycle. Somehow I couldn't see the valve gear on a steam loco lasting too long with just a squirt of WD40. Horses for courses an' all that! It's really down to common sense..... -- The Wanderer Statistics show that statistics can't be trusted. |
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:19:22 UTC, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote: Paraffin has been dyed with several different colours over time, including blue, pink, yellow, green. As a marketing tool, "boom boom boom Esso Blue", can't remember whose was pink but I think there was a panther involved. Correction! :-) It was "boom boom boom boom Esso Blue"! -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by http://www.diybanter.com |
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Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:19:22 UTC, "Dave Liquorice" wrote: Paraffin has been dyed with several different colours over time, including blue, pink, yellow, green. As a marketing tool, "boom boom boom Esso Blue", can't remember whose was pink but I think there was a panther involved. Correction! :-) It was "boom boom boom boom Esso Blue"! It was Aladdin Pink (parafin), I think. -- Chris Green |
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Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:19:22 UTC, "Dave Liquorice" wrote: Paraffin has been dyed with several different colours over time, including blue, pink, yellow, green. As a marketing tool, "boom boom boom Esso Blue", can't remember whose was pink but I think there was a panther involved. Correction! :-) It was "boom boom boom boom Esso Blue"! .... and "Esso Esso blue blue blue blue" I don't remember this, but it's so good: They asked me how I knew It was Esso Blue, I of course replied With lower grades one buys Smoke gets in your eyes. And: Man sits on floor confronting paraffin heater, and a voice answers his questions to a jingling little tune Man: Ive got a cold house. Voice: Why dont you heat it? Man: My heaters empty, I think. Voice: Why dont you fill it? Man: Im out of paraffin. Voice: Well now thats easy, ring for Pink. Man: Now can you tell me, what will it cost me? Voice: Less than a penny an hour. Man: Thats fine. (sung as one line) Now can you tell me, who will deliver it? Voice: the dealer where you see this sign, see this sign, (annoying jingly sound) see this sign. Apparently, 'they' also sold White May - same as Pink but uncoloured. And it was cheaper. -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org |
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:17:39 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:
WD40 is not recommended as a lubricant. Not by whom? It clearly is a lubricant. I've used it on hinges, locks, fans, tools, padlocks and all sorts of other things. In my experience a squeaky door "lubricated" with WD40 will become a squeaky door again. One lubricated with a proper oil doesn't. I've got padlocks on sheds & gates 20+ years old, given a squirt of WD40 annually and none have gummed up or gone sticky - they all work perfectly. That's 'casue you keep adding back the volatiles that have evaporated. It does leave a residue over time from a thick gum to a dry varnish like layer depending on the enviroment. The "wetter gum" stages are sticky and any muck floating about will get stuck. When the kit is operated/used this muck then gets drawn into the mechanisium and increases the rate of wear. This probably isn't an issue for a shed padlock but for something in constant use... -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:17:39 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: Could someone explain the apparent witch hunt of WD40 around here? IMO its an excellent product. Has anyone done a controlled test on its rust prevention qualities against machine oil? WD40 also acts as a penetrating oil, though there are cheaper and in some people's opinion better brands out there, such as plusgas. Granted its not a specific penetrating oil, but as a 'one stop' multi purpose product its pretty good at many things. WD40 is not recommended as a lubricant. Not by whom? It clearly is a lubricant. I've used it on hinges, locks, fans, tools, padlocks and all sorts of other things. I had a wander around B&Q today, and noticed that they now stock a reasonable range of 3 in 1 "sprays". SNIP Many appliances have been ruined by the indiscriminate application of WD40. Like what? Do we have any evidence? Why would it harm anything? I've got padlocks on sheds & gates 20+ years old, given a squirt of WD40 annually and none have gummed up or gone sticky - they all work perfectly. It is not a cure-all and there are common products and materials to which it should not be applied. Again, what shouldn't it be applied to? I've never damaged anything with it. I'm sure we've all had _some_ sort of "success" with the dreaded WD-40, but there are much better products for every one of its claims. It's a sort of "Jack of all trades and master of none". We certainly shouldn't be putting opinions like this on the Wiki unless they have some scientific evidence. I don't think it's an awfully good idea to "advertise" particular makes of product on Wiki... -- Frank Erskine |
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After serious thinking The Medway Handyman wrote :
Could someone explain the apparent witch hunt of WD40 around here? IMO its an excellent product. I find it works as a quick, but temporary fix. It soon evaporates and stops working, but leaving a sticky deposit behind. I have had cans where there has been a slight leak. All that is left is a thick sticky mess which attracts dirt with little in the way of lubrication properties. I find it does excel at cleaning things such as dirty, oily grubby rear wheels on motor bikes due to the chain lubrication - spray on, wipe the dirt off. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
wrote: Another one for your additional input... SNIP ===WD40=== WD stands for 'water displacer.' Water displacers are of very limited use in DIY today, primarily used to reduce rusting of tools in damp storage. Machine oil is the product of choice for this. Could someone explain the apparent witch hunt of WD40 around here? IMO its an excellent product. Has anyone done a controlled test on its rust prevention qualities against machine oil? I would assume that the Ministry of Defense did that many years ago. If, as I have, you had worked on defense projects, it would have brought you into contact with far superior oils and greases. Trust the wiki on WD 40, it is a water dispersant. Most of the other stuff in it is quite good though. Dave |
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===Machine oil===
Machine oil is a thin light petrolum oil used for undemanding lubrication, such as small machinery, hand tools etc. It is also widely used to thinly coat steel tools before export, preventing rust. Sewing machines and many other appliances use machine oil. Baby oil is machine oil with a little mild perfume added, and this is a very convenient way to buy machine oil for many DIYers. (The method of its extraction from babies remains a closely guarded secret.) Baby oil / liquid paraffin / white oil for medicinal use are very highly refined. Machine oil is a very loose term, it may refer to "edible oils" as use on bacon slicing machines, etc, but it may not. I would expect sewing machine oil to contain various additives, some of which you might not want to put on babies. For "domestic" use I certainly wouldn't use medicinal oil for rust prevention, I'd use 3 in 1. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:17:39 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote: WD40 is not recommended as a lubricant. Not by whom? It clearly is a lubricant. I've used it on hinges, locks, fans, tools, padlocks and all sorts of other things. In my experience a squeaky door "lubricated" with WD40 will become a squeaky door again. One lubricated with a proper oil doesn't. I've got padlocks on sheds & gates 20+ years old, given a squirt of WD40 annually and none have gummed up or gone sticky - they all work perfectly. That's 'casue you keep adding back the volatiles that have evaporated. It does leave a residue over time from a thick gum to a dry varnish like layer depending on the enviroment. The "wetter gum" stages are sticky and any muck floating about will get stuck. When the kit is operated/used this muck then gets drawn into the mechanisium and increases the rate of wear. This probably isn't an issue for a shed padlock but for something in constant use... My garage padlock is used at least once a day, 7 days a week. Good as new. I suspect the predudice surrounding WD40 is because (a) its American & (b) its hugely successful. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like: Baby oil is machine oil with a little mild perfume added, Palm oil. |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like: paraffin. Since it can run an engine it contains an invisible marker to detect illegal on-road use. Its not the same grade as road diesel, its thinner, but it works. Only if you want to wreck your HP pump. It contain very little of the lubricity required for diesel injection systems, especially the Common Rail modern ones. Caterpillar have a tech doc on their website relating to kero, JP, and Biodiesel in their highway engines. Google for "caterpillar engine on kerosene" and you'll find it. |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Rod saying something like: As a marketing tool, "boom boom boom Esso Blue", can't remember whose was pink but I think there was a panther involved. Aladdin pink. David Bowie. |
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:19:24 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:
I suspect the predudice surrounding WD40 is because (a) its American & (b) its hugely successful. No, just accept that soome people have a different opinion of the stuff as an all-purpose lubricant than do you -- The Wanderer Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available. |
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Another one for your additional input... WD40 Has anyone done a controlled test on its rust prevention qualities against machine oil? Machine oil is the standard coating for imported steel tools. WD40 is simply not used for this. I think the tool industry knows what its doing - and its not hard to see why they dont pick WD40. sure we've all had _some_ sort of "success" with the dreaded WD-40, but there are much better products for every one of its claims. It's a sort of "Jack of all trades and master of none". quite - with the one exception of water displacement, which is what it was designed for, and its good at that. The other claimed uses seem to be more about marketing, especially lubrication, which its truly bad at. I suspect the predudice surrounding WD40 is because (a) its American & (b) its hugely successful. hardly. Its just a lousy performer and many times the price of decent products. Any junk grade lube works on locks, hinges etc, but when things get more demanding, wd can really screw things up. I'd quote Arfa Daily's piece on what and how it damages, but I cant find the address. Linseed Is it cotton and raw(?) linseed oil that can spontaneously combust? Yes, theres already a separate article on tack rags. thanks everyone! NT |
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OK... version 2:
==Lubricating oils== Oils whose primary use is for lubrication. ===Machine oil=== Machine oils are a class of thin light petrolum oils used for undemanding lubrication, such as small machinery, hand tools etc. They are also widely used to thinly coat steel tools before export, preventing rust. Sewing machines and many other appliances use machine oil. Some machine oils are edible, such as for use on food processing equipment, some are not. ===Baby oil=== Baby oil is a higly refined petroleum oil, much like a food grade machine oil, with a little mild perfume added, and this is a very convenient way to buy a machine oil for many DIYers. (The method of its extraction from babies remains a closely guarded secret.) ===Engine oil=== Engine oils are excellent lubricants. They are highly stable petroleum derived oils, with additives to enhance their stability even further. 20/50 was once the most common engine oil grade, but 10/30 took over as the dominant grade a couple of decades ago. 10/30 is less viscous, and pumping it uses less energy. ===Used engine oil=== Used engine oil is blackened by engine deposits and assorted burnt matter. It still lubricates, but the potential for toxicity of a contaminant and its dirtiness make it unpopular for DIY use. 50/50 engine oil and paraffin or diesel has long been used to preserve woodwork. Its effective and cheap, but dark in colour and contains unspecified engine contaminants. New oil and paraffin is a better alternative, with neither of these issues. Used or new engine oil can be used for steel hardening. ===Castor oil=== Castor oil was the original engine oil, and the source of the name Castrol. Its still available for historic vehicles designed to use it. It is a fixed grade of oil, unlike today's multigrades, hence its viscosity varies considerably with temperature. It is much more prone to gumming than modern engine oils, and is not suitable for today's engines. ===Gear oil=== Related to engine oil, gear oils are designed to survive higher shear forces than engine oils. Engine oil is not recommended for gearboxes (with the exception of the original Mini) ===2 stroke oil=== Another petroleum lubricating oil. ===Silicone oil=== A high price oil occasionally used as a DIY lubricant. ==Fuel oils== Oils primarily used as fuels ===Diesel, 35 second oil=== Red diesel and 35 second oil are the same product. Also known as gas oil. Red diesel is only legal for non-road uses. Its occasionally used as heating oil for old installations. 35 and 28 second oils aren't interchangeable, 35 second requires a larger burner jet and causes more heat exchanger fouling. Red diesel has 2 markers, one visible (red), one not. These stain filters. Tankers are labelled UN1202. Despite being a petroleum product, diesel is not easy to ignite. Applying a naked flame to a pool of diesel isn't likely to light it. ===Paraffin=== Best known as a fuel for heating & blowlamps, paraffin has several other uses too * insect repellant * mix with oil to make a penetrating oil * engine oil flushing additive * cleaner especially effective for all types of vehicle & road dirts, oils, tars, bitumen, etc Paraffin can be used neat for cleaning car parts, or it can be mixed with water & a detergent. Paraffin is now also known as: * premium kerosene * kerosene C1 * premium burning oil (PBO) Paraffin has been dyed with several different colours over time, including blue, pink, yellow, green. ===Heating oil, 28 second oil=== aka * 28 second heating oil, * kerosene * kerosene C2 * Tankers are labelled UN1223 Widely used for central heating. Its a less refined grade of paraffin. Since it can run an engine it contains a yellow dye plus a 2nd invisible marker to detect illegal on-road use. Its not the same grade as road diesel, its thinner, but it does work. The long term effects of this vary widely depending on the engine, some designs are tolerant of it long term, some not. Supply of 28 second oil is a competitive market that tracks crude oil prices. Its worth phoning around and pitting the suppliers against each other. ===Lamp oil=== Deodorised dyed paraffin, avoids creating the famous oil heater whiff. ==Other oils== ===Oil thickener=== Very thick oils are used on their own in speed reducing devices, eg in devices to slow the opening of cassette deck doors. They are also added to car engines to thicken the engine oil, reducing the blue smoke output of worn engines. Oil thickeners are available from car accessory shops. ===Penetrating oil=== Penetrating oil is a mix of thin oil and an agent such as paraffin which cuts the oil's viscosity. Penetrating oils are able to penetrate tiny gaps and help unseize corroded fixings. These are much used in car repair. If no penetrating oil is to hand, a mix of thin oil and a viscosity cutter (eg paraffin) works. ===hydraulic oil=== As used in hydraulic jacks. what type is this? (Brake fluid is not oil) ==Decorator's oils== Mostly used in finishing ===Linseed oil=== * Thins oil based paints, but greatly extends drying time. * Enables water based paints to adhere to a greater range of surfaces (mix in 1-2% linseed oil) * Makes a range of putties & mastics * Thins linseed putty * Makes tack rags * Used in some finishing oil mixtures for wood Raw linseed oil is just linseed oil. Boiled linseed oil is today linseed oil plus chemical dryers. Boiled oil sets to a gum in time, raw either doesn't or takes an extremely long time. Boiled should be used in all the above applications, though raw is also fine for tack rags. ===Tung oil=== ===Danish oil=== ==Additives & alternatives== ===Engine oil & paraffin=== A 50/50 mix has several uses. * wood preservative * penetrating oil * corrosion inhibitor - but it becomes slightly sticky ===Graphite=== Graphite is a solid lubricant. Graphite powder is sometimes added to oils to improve lubrication, and in some cases can even be used instead of oil. Its electrically conductive. ===PTFE=== PTFE aka Teflon is another solid lubricant, and much the same can be said for it as graphite. ===Paraffin=== Can be added to oil to cut its viscosity temporarily. However it eventually evporates. ===Vegetable oil=== Several plant derived oils are used for cooking. These lubricate, but over time they gum up badly. This greatly limits their use, but they're fine for jobs such as lubricating [[screws]]. Feeding the DIYer is the main use. ===Margerine=== Most margerines are plant oil (sometimes fish oil) based, with a large percentage of added water. These can sometimes be used as a last ditch lubricant, but they gum up eventually. The water content dries out, but can cause corrosion. ==Hair oils== A spoonful of oil added to a litre of shampoo acts as a hair conditioner. Commercial conditioners tend to use thick oils such as palm oil, castor oil, jojoba oil etc. ===Palm oil=== Palm oil is thick semi-solid natural oil, and a traditional hair conditioner in some countries. Its available from asian grocery stores, and can be added to shampoo to give conditioning properties. ===Castor oil=== Castor oil is another effective conditioning additive, but availability is poor, and allergic reaction to the castor bean is a known, albeit rare, phenomenon. ===Engine oil=== Engine oil is very effective as a hair conditioner (added to shampoo), but it should not be used due to its entirely unsuitable additives. ===Vegetable oil=== Its not as effective as engine oil, but is safe to use. Vegetable cooking oils are thinnner than the more usual conditioning oils, and this works better for some hair types, and less well for some. ==Branded products== A few branded products are well known in DIY and deserve their own mention. The well known brands can all be replaced with other good products at a fraction of the cost. ===3 in 1=== 3 in 1 is a brand of oil that attempts to be 3 things in one: lubricating oil, penetrating oil and corrosion prevention. Since these 3 tasks have conflicting requirements its impossible to make a good job of them with one product. Since its prone to becoming gummy its not recommended as a lubricant. The cans it comes in are handy. ===WD40=== WD stands for 'water displacer.' Water displacers are of limited use in DIY today, primarily used * to reduce rusting of tools in damp storage * to start wet power tools. Machine oil is the temporary coating of choice for preventing rust, and is widely used as a rust preventing coating on imported steel tools. WD40 also acts as a penetrating oil, though there are cheaper and in some people's opinion better brands out there, such as plusgas. WD40 is not recommended as a lubricant as it contains more solvent than oil, and becomes gummy. WD40 can be used as a cleaner in some situations since it contains Stoddard's solvent. Paraffin is a much cheaper alternative that doesnt leave the sticky residue. The manufacturer claims [http://www.wd40.co.uk/media/images/LIST%20OF %202,000%20USES11.pdf 2000 uses for WD40]. While many of these are not uses we would rush to recommend, and many are simply duplication, there are some practical ones too. [http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/ household/wd-40.asp More uses & information]. Many appliances have been ruined by the indiscriminate application of WD40. It is not a cure-all and there are common products and materials to which it should not be applied. These include rubber products, some plastics, ===Swarfega=== Paraffin gel with additives. Paraffin alone makes quite a good substitute. ==Oil kit== Inevitably opinions vary on this, so this list is just intended as a quick starting point guide. A good kit of oils for DIY may contain: * Machine oil (thin lubricant, rust prevention) * Engine oil (thick lubricant, car) * Paraffin (cleaning, insect repellant, additive) * Penetrating oil (frees corroded fixings) * Linseed oil (paints, putties, polishes etc) ==Not usable== The following might tempt the ocasional DIYer, but are not usable for DIY. ===Petrol=== Petrol deserves a brief mention simply because is is not usable for any DIY use outside of running engines, but occasionally a DIYer decides to try it as a substitute. Its highly volatile and creates an explosive cloud of gas/air mixture. Inhaling the amount of fumes caused by painting with it causes anything from migraine to death. Petrol tankers are marked UN1203 ==Smoky engines== While there is more than one possible cause, vehicles with smoky engines are usually suffering from wear, which allows tiny amounts of engine oil into the cylinder, where it is burnt, producing smoke. This gets past worn valve seals more often than piston rings. Replacing 10/30 with 20/50 is often done to reduce smoking. Adding an oil thickener can reduce smoke output further. These are of course not proper cures and not manufacturer recommended, but have got a lot of cars through MOTs. ==Plumbing== Oil lines should use only compression fittings. ==Storage== New oil tanks must now be bunded to prevent contamination in case of leakage. Storage of large amounts of flammable fuel oils is strictly regulated by law. ==Spills== Cleanup methods include: * caustic soda * paraffin * hot pressure washing * burning the contaminated materials ==Disposal== Reusing the oil for something else is sometimes an option. Otherwise oils should be disposed of at the local tip, where its recycled. Heating boilers have occasionally been modified to burn used engine oil. This is cheap to run, but there are concerns over contaminants, and the relatively viscous oil must be preheated before the boiler can fire. Its now possible to buy commercial workshop heaters that run on used engine oil. ==See Also== * [[Grease]] * [ original article discussion] * [[Special:Allpages|Wiki Contents]] * [[Special:Categories|Wiki Subject Categories]] [[Category:Heating]] [[Category:Fixings]] [[Category:Cleaning]] [[Category:Paint]] |
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3-in-1 should be written 3-IN-ONE (according to WD40, who now own it).
http://wd40.co.uk/index.cfm?articleid=16 -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:17:39 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote: WD40 is not recommended as a lubricant. Not by whom? It clearly is a lubricant. I've used it on hinges, locks, fans, tools, padlocks and all sorts of other things. In my experience a squeaky door "lubricated" with WD40 will become a squeaky door again. One lubricated with a proper oil doesn't. I've got padlocks on sheds & gates 20+ years old, given a squirt of WD40 annually and none have gummed up or gone sticky - they all work perfectly. That's 'casue you keep adding back the volatiles that have evaporated. It does leave a residue over time from a thick gum to a dry varnish like layer depending on the enviroment. The "wetter gum" stages are sticky and any muck floating about will get stuck. When the kit is operated/used this muck then gets drawn into the mechanisium and increases the rate of wear. This probably isn't an issue for a shed padlock but for something in constant use... My garage padlock is used at least once a day, 7 days a week. Good as new. I suspect the predudice surrounding WD40 is because (a) its American & (b) its hugely successful. It's mineral oil with a solvent so that it can be sprayed and squirted into inaccessible places. The residue that's left when the solvent evaporates is oil, so I can't see the problem. |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message ... wrote: Another one for your additional input... SNIP ===WD40=== WD stands for 'water displacer.' Water displacers are of very limited use in DIY today, primarily used to reduce rusting of tools in damp storage. Machine oil is the product of choice for this. Could someone explain the apparent witch hunt of WD40 around here? IMO its an excellent product. http://yarchive.net/chem/wd40.html - |
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:42:58 +0000, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
As a marketing tool, "boom boom boom Esso Blue", can't remember whose was pink but I think there was a panther involved. Aladdin pink. Hum, maybe it was genie that was entwined around the pump up at the local shops. But I can't see anything on the web other than the delivery vans, the paraffin used for car part cleaning was definitely pink though and we had to go and get it using our old metal 1 gallon oil can. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:19:24 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:
I suspect the predudice surrounding WD40 is because (a) its American & (b) its hugely successful. Since when have either of those been good endorsements of a product. WD40 has had good marketing but when it comes down to it it is not even approaching mediocre from many of the jobs it gets promoted or used used for. It can be a quick fix but in my experience the same problem will return, probably worse, within a year or two. Where as using a proper lubricant would cure the problem full stop. -- Cheers Dave. |
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stuart noble wrote:
It's mineral oil with a solvent so that it can be sprayed and squirted into inaccessible places. The residue that's left when the solvent evaporates is oil, so I can't see the problem. The problem is that many people resent success. WD40 is a hugely successful product, so it generates a lot of resentment. Similar comments apply to 3 in 1 oil, McDonald's hamburgers, Kellogg's Corn Flakes and basically anything, anyone or any organisation that makes a profit. This leads to a belief that, if you buy any one of these successful products, you must have been short changed. |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "The Medway Handyman" saying something like: I suspect the predudice surrounding WD40 is because (a) its American & (b) its hugely successful. I have no prejudice against it at all. It's just largely overpriced, ineffective in the long term, is all. I've used it and still use it, but I much prefer a lever squirty bottle with a 50/50 mix of engine oil and diesel. |
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:01:16 UTC, Bruce wrote:
stuart noble wrote: It's mineral oil with a solvent so that it can be sprayed and squirted into inaccessible places. The residue that's left when the solvent evaporates is oil, so I can't see the problem. The problem is that many people resent success. WD40 is a hugely successful product, so it generates a lot of resentment. Rubbish....it isn't a lubricant, it's a water displacer. And very good at that job, too. I like it, for the proper applications. Similar comments apply to 3 in 1 oil, McDonald's hamburgers, Kellogg's Corn Flakes I like all of those, anyway. -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by http://www.diybanter.com |
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The. Wanderer wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:19:24 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote: I suspect the predudice surrounding WD40 is because (a) its American & (b) its hugely successful. No, just accept that soome people have a different opinion of the stuff as an all-purpose lubricant than do you It's not going to happen. Despite being told and given the evidence that WD-40 was designed as a water dispersant to aid damp starting of CI petrol engines, the Medway Prat insists on believing that it is a lubricant. |
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OK... version 2: ===WD40=== WD stands for 'water displacer.' Water displacers are of limited use in DIY today, primarily used * to reduce rusting of tools in damp storage * to start wet power tools. I'm not with the last bit? Start wet power tools? Machine oil is the temporary coating of choice for preventing rust, and is widely used as a rust preventing coating on imported steel tools. But that doesn't mean WD40 won't do the job - and again where is the evidence? WD40 also acts as a penetrating oil, though there are cheaper and in some people's opinion better brands out there, such as plusgas. Its not sold specifically as a penetrating oil, its a multi purpose product. And thats the point you are missing. One can of WD40 can replace half a dozen cans of specific products. WD40 is not recommended as a lubricant as it contains more solvent than oil, and becomes gummy. Not reccommended by whom? There is an insignificant amount of anecdotal evidence against, and an even smaller amount in favour. That doesn't prove the case. Its advertised as a lubricant & made in the USA - I'm pretty sure there would be law suits flying about if that claim wasn't (at least in part) true. WD40 can be used as a cleaner in some situations since it contains Stoddard's solvent. Paraffin is a much cheaper alternative that doesnt leave the sticky residue. Arrrggggh!!! What sticky residue? I've been using it for donkeys years & never come across any shape or form of residue - sticky or otherwise. SNIP Many appliances have been ruined by the indiscriminate application of WD40. It is not a cure-all and there are common products and materials to which it should not be applied. These include rubber products, some plastics, You simply can't say that without some kind of evidence. I've just e-mailed WD40 to ask if its safe on rubber & plastics - lets see what they have to say. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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wrote: Another one for your additional input... WD40 Has anyone done a controlled test on its rust prevention qualities against machine oil? Machine oil is the standard coating for imported steel tools. WD40 is simply not used for this. I think the tool industry knows what its doing - and its not hard to see why they dont pick WD40. No it isn't hard to see - its price. WD40 is more expensive. Which doesn't mean it doesn't work. sure we've all had _some_ sort of "success" with the dreaded WD-40, but there are much better products for every one of its claims. It's a sort of "Jack of all trades and master of none". Thats exactly what it claims to be - a multi purpose product. quite - with the one exception of water displacement, which is what it was designed for, and its good at that. The other claimed uses seem to be more about marketing, especially lubrication, which its truly bad at. Compared to what? Bisto? It lubricates. I suspect the predudice surrounding WD40 is because (a) its American & (b) its hugely successful. hardly. Its just a lousy performer and many times the price of decent products. Makes you wonder why they sell millions of cans a day doesn't it? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:37:57 -0800 (PST), wrote: Linseed Is it cotton and raw(?) linseed oil that can spontaneously combust? Yes, theres already a separate article on tack rags. Linked from this page? I'll do the links once its live, makes it hard to read otherwise NT |
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"Bob Eager" wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:01:16 UTC, Bruce wrote: stuart noble wrote: It's mineral oil with a solvent so that it can be sprayed and squirted into inaccessible places. The residue that's left when the solvent evaporates is oil, so I can't see the problem. The problem is that many people resent success. WD40 is a hugely successful product, so it generates a lot of resentment. Rubbish....it isn't a lubricant, it's a water displacer. Who cares? I didn't make any claims for what it did, merely stated that it is a hugely successful product, which is undeniable. I seriously doubt that WD40 would sell in anywhere near the quantities it does if it was remotely as bad as its critics allege. Similar comments apply to 3 in 1 oil, McDonald's hamburgers, Kellogg's Corn Flakes I like all of those, anyway. For every one of those products, there are people like you who carp and criticise, claiming that they aren't any good or don't live up to the hype. Yet despite you and your kind, all these products are hugely successful. You must find that extremely irritating. |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote:
Makes you wonder why they sell millions of cans a day doesn't it? Exactly! ;-) |
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Bruce wrote: stuart noble wrote: It's mineral oil with a solvent so that it can be sprayed and squirted into inaccessible places. The residue that's left when the solvent evaporates is oil, so I can't see the problem. The problem is that many people resent success. WD40 is a hugely successful product, so it generates a lot of resentment. Just shows the power of advertising and the gullibility of those who believe it. Similar comments apply to 3 in 1 oil, McDonald's hamburgers, Kellogg's Corn Flakes and basically anything, anyone or any organisation that makes a profit. Ah. You do live on some sink estate. Kellogg's cornflakes have more nutritional value in the cardboard packet than contents. MacDonalds are basically rubbish. Plenty of fast food available in the UK which is better for you and better value too. This leads to a belief that, if you buy any one of these successful products, you must have been short changed. Anything which claims to do a multitude of tasks is always a compromise compared to one optimised for a particular job. -- *A dog's not just for Christmas, it's alright on a Friday night too* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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The Medway Handyman coughed up some electrons that declared:
Makes you wonder why they sell millions of cans a day doesn't it? Fiat's single handed effort at installing crap ignition systems in the 70's, probably accounted more most of the sales in the 70's - that and EasyStart... |
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