If rainwater is being held back due to the join causing a ridge,is it
acceptable for rainwater to stay there to the extent whats left behind is
touching the end of the tiles?

My belief is the whole purpose of a gutter is to catch rainwater and
disperse it via the nearest downspout ie no water should be left behind
providing the gutter is clear of debris or moss.

She's getting her relative on the case but I would like to know whats
acceptable and what isn't? roofers are saying its acceptable.

Cheers

George wrote:
If rainwater is being held back due to the join causing a ridge,is it
acceptable for rainwater to stay there to the extent whats left
behind is touching the end of the tiles?

Water finds its own level & always flows downhill.

The ridge must therefore be the same height as the end of the tiles?

If the gutter is full of water its either perfectly level (unlikely) or
blocked. A ridge would only slow down the flow & leave water the same
height as the ridge itself.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

George wrote:
If rainwater is being held back due to the join causing a ridge,is it
acceptable for rainwater to stay there to the extent whats left behind is
touching the end of the tiles?

My belief is the whole purpose of a gutter is to catch rainwater and
disperse it via the nearest downspout ie no water should be left behind
providing the gutter is clear of debris or moss.

She's getting her relative on the case but I would like to know whats
acceptable and what isn't? roofers are saying its acceptable.

Cheers



Surely the ridge alone wouldn't cause that level of water. Maybe the
roofer left his flask up there

George wrote:
If rainwater is being held back due to the join causing a ridge,is it
acceptable for rainwater to stay there to the extent whats left
behind is touching the end of the tiles?

My belief is the whole purpose of a gutter is to catch rainwater and
disperse it via the nearest downspout ie no water should be left
behind providing the gutter is clear of debris or moss.

She's getting her relative on the case but I would like to know whats
acceptable and what isn't? roofers are saying its acceptable.

Cheers

Water will hold in all gutters, whether they are made of brand new plastic
and set at the correct downwards angle, or made of sandstone and dead level,
either way, the fact that it's holding water is immaterial - it must have
been holding water since it was built, given that they have merely lined it
with lead.

As far as your (long) story about the piece of bitumen over the joint is
concerned, the new roofers have done it correctly - the bitumen was a bodge.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
news
George wrote:
If rainwater is being held back due to the join causing a ridge,is it
acceptable for rainwater to stay there to the extent whats left
behind is touching the end of the tiles?

Water finds its own level & always flows downhill.


Well it certainly can't flow uphill. :-) it finds its level and whats left
up there cannot get past because of the join hump.

The ridge must therefore be the same height as the end of the tiles?


That depends on whether the lead is sitting flush with the gutter and if its
not then there a rise near the join?

If the gutter is full of water its either perfectly level (unlikely) or
blocked. A ridge would only slow down the flow & leave water the same
height as the ridge itself.


Never measured but at a guess the water is about 1/2" deep at the join and
shallower near the other end of the gutter.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the ridge
join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg

"Phil L" wrote in message
m...
George wrote:
If rainwater is being held back due to the join causing a ridge,is it
acceptable for rainwater to stay there to the extent whats left
behind is touching the end of the tiles?

My belief is the whole purpose of a gutter is to catch rainwater and
disperse it via the nearest downspout ie no water should be left
behind providing the gutter is clear of debris or moss.

She's getting her relative on the case but I would like to know whats
acceptable and what isn't? roofers are saying its acceptable.

Cheers

Water will hold in all gutters, whether they are made of brand new plastic
and set at the correct downwards angle, or made of sandstone and dead
level, either way, the fact that it's holding water is immaterial - it
must have been holding water since it was built, given that they have
merely lined it with lead.

As far as your (long) story about the piece of bitumen over the joint is
concerned, the new roofers have done it correctly - the bitumen was a
bodge.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008


So why isn't there any rainwater in my gutter and the other neighbour next
to me philip?

George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the ridge
join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg


I find myself asking what would happen in a hard frost with that much
water there? Wouldn't be too sure the results would be good.

--
Rod

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onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
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Rod wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg

I find myself asking what would happen in a hard frost with that much
water there? Wouldn't be too sure the results would be good.

No problem at all. Its not constrained. so it will do no damage.

Remember gutters are not there to COLLECT water. They are there to get
rid of it to avoid it soaking the edge/wall of the building. Whether
they store some locally, or dump it into a soakaway, is irrelevant.

They only have to not leak wayer into the structure, and not spill it
over the edge to form a driving patch of wet on a wall that can soak it
too much.

George wrote:
"Phil L" wrote in message
m...
George wrote:
If rainwater is being held back due to the join causing a ridge,is it
acceptable for rainwater to stay there to the extent whats left
behind is touching the end of the tiles?

My belief is the whole purpose of a gutter is to catch rainwater and
disperse it via the nearest downspout ie no water should be left
behind providing the gutter is clear of debris or moss.

She's getting her relative on the case but I would like to know whats
acceptable and what isn't? roofers are saying its acceptable.

Cheers
Water will hold in all gutters, whether they are made of brand new plastic
and set at the correct downwards angle, or made of sandstone and dead
level, either way, the fact that it's holding water is immaterial - it
must have been holding water since it was built, given that they have
merely lined it with lead.

As far as your (long) story about the piece of bitumen over the joint is
concerned, the new roofers have done it correctly - the bitumen was a
bodge.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008


So why isn't there any rainwater in my gutter and the other neighbour next
to me philip?


Because its got a tad more fall on it, and no obstructions. So what?

George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg

The gutter is flowing towards the joint.

The new lead therefore has to go over the old lead, as it clearly does from
your photo - it can't go underneath it, which would eliminate this unsighlty
joint, but would have the rather serious knock on effect of delivering all
the rainwater under your lead

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

George wrote:
"Phil L" wrote in message
m...
George wrote:
If rainwater is being held back due to the join causing a ridge,is
it acceptable for rainwater to stay there to the extent whats left
behind is touching the end of the tiles?

My belief is the whole purpose of a gutter is to catch rainwater and
disperse it via the nearest downspout ie no water should be left
behind providing the gutter is clear of debris or moss.

She's getting her relative on the case but I would like to know
whats acceptable and what isn't? roofers are saying its acceptable.

Cheers

Water will hold in all gutters, whether they are made of brand new
plastic and set at the correct downwards angle, or made of sandstone
and dead level, either way, the fact that it's holding water is
immaterial - it must have been holding water since it was built,
given that they have merely lined it with lead.

As far as your (long) story about the piece of bitumen over the
joint is concerned, the new roofers have done it correctly - the
bitumen was a bodge.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008


So why isn't there any rainwater in my gutter and the other neighbour
next to me philip?

Well there's rainwater in at least one of them George because it's clearly
visible in your photos.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

In message , The Natural
Philosopher writes

Remember gutters are not there to COLLECT water. They are there to get
rid of it to avoid it soaking the edge/wall of the building. Whether
they store some locally, or dump it into a soakaway, is irrelevant.

Water stored in gutters leads to problems with algal growth and
collected leaves.

Was this always a lead gutter or is it a bodge where sheet lead has been
used rather than replacing cast iron?

regards

--
Tim Lamb

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
snip
They only have to not leak water into the structure, and not spill it
over the edge to form a driving patch of wet on a wall that can soak it
too much.

The water appears to have soaked into the tiles at the bottom. I wonder
what a good hard frost would do? (nothing here BTW we don't have
winters any more...)

Andy

George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg

Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

As long as it doesn't overflow in heavy rain it doesn't matter. Pour a
complete bucket full of water in as fast as you can & see what happens.



--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
news
In message , The Natural
Philosopher writes

Remember gutters are not there to COLLECT water. They are there to get rid
of it to avoid it soaking the edge/wall of the building. Whether they
store some locally, or dump it into a soakaway, is irrelevant.

Water stored in gutters leads to problems with algal growth and collected
leaves.

Was this always a lead gutter or is it a bodge where sheet lead has been
used rather than replacing cast iron?

regards

--
Tim Lamb

The full story or what I know.

Sandstone guttering,so they has to be lined with lead.
1st roofer made a joint bodge between mine and the neighbours with a piece
of roofing felt,this gave rise to my neighbours bedroom wall getting soaked
because the water wasn't going anywhere except over the gutter and into the
brickwork.
2nd roofer comes out and the result is still the same but he assured the
lead has gone in under the tiles about three to four inches to stop the
water travelling down into the brickwork but the amount of water getting
trapped up there now is worse than when the 1st roofer bodged it.
I believe the joint has gone over my lead but it looks as if he has bent the
lead over and tapped it down over mine? which will form a ridge too high for
the excess water to run off freely.

Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural
Philosopher writes

Remember gutters are not there to COLLECT water. They are there to get
rid of it to avoid it soaking the edge/wall of the building. Whether
they store some locally, or dump it into a soakaway, is irrelevant.

Water stored in gutters leads to problems with algal growth and
collected leaves.


Oh hah bloody ha.

Alga growth does no harm and leaves will be there whether there is water
in or not. Until the wind blows em out or the next water wahes them out.




Was this always a lead gutter or is it a bodge where sheet lead has been
used rather than replacing cast iron?

regards


Fer *** sake, you dont make iron gutters like that.

Its a classic cast in stone gutter and parapet.

You lead line em.

If you butt or solder the lead together it pulls part in the cold Or
buckles in the sun. If you lap them together the water creeps
underneath,. Experince has lead to a simple technique. You fold the lead
a bit like rolling up a toothpast tube and mash it down., This doesn't
leak, wont split when the lead shrinks, and is waterproof. It always
leaves a slight ridge. All lead gutters end up with puddles if they are
essentially level. Think of them as moats, with drains.

George wrote:
"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
news
In message , The Natural
Philosopher writes

Remember gutters are not there to COLLECT water. They are there to get rid
of it to avoid it soaking the edge/wall of the building. Whether they
store some locally, or dump it into a soakaway, is irrelevant.
Water stored in gutters leads to problems with algal growth and collected
leaves.

Was this always a lead gutter or is it a bodge where sheet lead has been
used rather than replacing cast iron?

regards

--
Tim Lamb

The full story or what I know.

Sandstone guttering,so they has to be lined with lead.
1st roofer made a joint bodge between mine and the neighbours with a piece
of roofing felt,this gave rise to my neighbours bedroom wall getting soaked
because the water wasn't going anywhere except over the gutter and into the
brickwork.
2nd roofer comes out and the result is still the same but he assured the
lead has gone in under the tiles about three to four inches to stop the
water travelling down into the brickwork but the amount of water getting
trapped up there now is worse than when the 1st roofer bodged it.
I believe the joint has gone over my lead but it looks as if he has bent the
lead over and tapped it down over mine? which will form a ridge too high for
the excess water to run off freely.


That is how it SHOULD BE DONE.
You will note that the one place it COULD leak - the joint, is now
higher than the puddle..

If you use continuous lengths of lead it will buckle in the heat, and
then split in the frost..and the only way to join it is with a *folded*
lap joint.

The Medway Handyman wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg

Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

As long as it doesn't overflow in heavy rain it doesn't matter. Pour a
complete bucket full of water in as fast as you can & see what happens.



Exactly.

Standing water alwtys happens somewhere in guttering. As does any amount
of organic trash washed off the roof. Just clear em out every year or so
after the leaves and gales have finished..

In message , The Natural
Philosopher writes
Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural
Philosopher writes

Remember gutters are not there to COLLECT water. They are there to
get rid of it to avoid it soaking the edge/wall of the building.
Whether they store some locally, or dump it into a soakaway, is
irrelevant.
Water stored in gutters leads to problems with algal growth and
collected leaves.


Oh hah bloody ha.

Alga growth does no harm and leaves will be there whether there is
water in or not. Until the wind blows em out or the next water wahes
them out.
And there lies a problem. If blown leaves don't dry and blow out they
rot providing a feedstock for the algae and gradually taking up space in
the gutter. If they are washed down into a soak-away they plug the
spaces and eventually block the pipe. Regular gutter cleaning is the
obvious answer.




Was this always a lead gutter or is it a bodge where sheet lead has
been used rather than replacing cast iron?
regards


Fer *** sake, you dont make iron gutters like that.

Its a classic cast in stone gutter and parapet.

You lead line em.

OK. Stone gutters are a bit like hen's teeth in my part of the world:-)

If you butt or solder the lead together it pulls part in the cold Or
buckles in the sun. If you lap them together the water creeps
underneath,. Experince has lead to a simple technique. You fold the
lead a bit like rolling up a toothpast tube and mash it down., This
doesn't leak, wont split when the lead shrinks, and is waterproof. It
always leaves a slight ridge. All lead gutters end up with puddles if
they are essentially level. Think of them as moats, with drains.

OK again. From the photo, this does not look to have been done very
well. BS 5502 agricultural buildings can have *eves beam* gutters where
a rectangular section galvanised trough supports the edge of the roof
and catches the water. Because the building is level, there is no fall
to the gutter leading to the problems I described. None of this helps
the OP.

regards


--
Tim Lamb

On Oct 15, 10:58*pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg

Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

Agreed inprinciple, but surely it's not acceptable for the tiles to be
sitting in the standing water, as they clearly are in this case.

MBQ

Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural
Philosopher writes
Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural
Philosopher writes

Remember gutters are not there to COLLECT water. They are there to
get rid of it to avoid it soaking the edge/wall of the building.
Whether they store some locally, or dump it into a soakaway, is
irrelevant.
Water stored in gutters leads to problems with algal growth and
collected leaves.


Oh hah bloody ha.

Alga growth does no harm and leaves will be there whether there is
water in or not. Until the wind blows em out or the next water wahes
them out.
And there lies a problem. If blown leaves don't dry and blow out they
rot providing a feedstock for the algae and gradually taking up space in
the gutter. If they are washed down into a soak-away they plug the
spaces and eventually block the pipe. Regular gutter cleaning is the
obvious answer.

I have never had gutters that did NOT do this irrespective of anything.

Leaves will rot naturally outside anyway, whether soaking wet or not.

the resultant sludge in the gutter evenentually reduces the depth, or
gets washed somwhere else. In all cases eventually it has to be removed.






Was this always a lead gutter or is it a bodge where sheet lead has
been used rather than replacing cast iron?
regards


Fer *** sake, you dont make iron gutters like that.

Its a classic cast in stone gutter and parapet.

You lead line em.

OK. Stone gutters are a bit like hen's teeth in my part of the world:-)

If you butt or solder the lead together it pulls part in the cold Or
buckles in the sun. If you lap them together the water creeps
underneath,. Experince has lead to a simple technique. You fold the
lead a bit like rolling up a toothpast tube and mash it down., This
doesn't leak, wont split when the lead shrinks, and is waterproof. It
always leaves a slight ridge. All lead gutters end up with puddles if
they are essentially level. Think of them as moats, with drains.

OK again. From the photo, this does not look to have been done very
well. BS 5502 agricultural buildings can have *eves beam* gutters where
a rectangular section galvanised trough supports the edge of the roof
and catches the water. Because the building is level, there is no fall
to the gutter leading to the problems I described. None of this helps
the OP.

Galv iron can be bolted through lap joints which can move under thermal
expansion. Lead practice is to overlap and fold. Wherever you have level
gutters, crap will tend to build up.

Hence the need to clear it peridiocally. In fact crap builds up anyway.
Its just less at the highest flow rate points of the system, and will
collect at the lowest flow rates, or where its impeded by a sieve of
some sort. Orgainic matter eventually composts down to a peat which will
get through most sivees and grilles., This then blocks your soakaways.
Hence these need replacing every 50-60 years or so.


Or pressure was the guttering every coule of years as an alternative.










regards

Man at B&Q wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:58 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg
Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

Agreed inprinciple, but surely it's not acceptable for the tiles to be
sitting in the standing water, as they clearly are in this case.

MBQ

Didnt look like it to me. Looked like they were simply wet at the base
after running off the water, much as the base of a sheet on the line is
always the last bit to dry.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Man at B&Q wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:58 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg
Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water
certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

Agreed inprinciple, but surely it's not acceptable for the tiles to be
sitting in the standing water, as they clearly are in this case.

MBQ

Didnt look like it to me. Looked like they were simply wet at the base
after running off the water, much as the base of a sheet on the line is
always the last bit to dry.


Look again they're clearly getting wet from the water left behind and
wouldn't this cause the roof trusses to rot?

"Man at B&Q" wrote in message
...
On Oct 15, 10:58 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg

Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

Agreed inprinciple, but surely it's not acceptable for the tiles to be
sitting in the standing water, as they clearly are in this case.

MBQ

Thas exactly what they are doing.

On Oct 16, 1:19*pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Man at B&Q wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:58 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg
Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

Agreed inprinciple, but surely it's not acceptable for the tiles to be
sitting in the standing water, as they clearly are in this case.

MBQ

Didnt look like it to me.

You can quite clearly see the difference in reflection where the tiles
are touching the water.

MBQ

In article , George
scribeth thus

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
. ..
Man at B&Q wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:58 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg
Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water
certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

Agreed inprinciple, but surely it's not acceptable for the tiles to be
sitting in the standing water, as they clearly are in this case.

MBQ

Didnt look like it to me. Looked like they were simply wet at the base
after running off the water, much as the base of a sheet on the line is
always the last bit to dry.


Look again they're clearly getting wet from the water left behind and
wouldn't this cause the roof trusses to rot?



If I had paid someone to do that I'd have them back sharpish.

Gutters are to get RID of water, not store it thats the rainwater butt's
job!....
--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote:
In article , George
scribeth thus
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Man at B&Q wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:58 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg
Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water
certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.
Agreed inprinciple, but surely it's not acceptable for the tiles to be
sitting in the standing water, as they clearly are in this case.

MBQ

Didnt look like it to me. Looked like they were simply wet at the base
after running off the water, much as the base of a sheet on the line is
always the last bit to dry.

Look again they're clearly getting wet from the water left behind and
wouldn't this cause the roof trusses to rot?



If I had paid someone to do that I'd have them back sharpish.

Gutters are to get RID of water, not store it thats the rainwater butt's
job!....

Gutters are to stop the roof water runoff cascading down the walls.
I had a long discussion with my BCO in this..

What they do with it, is not relevant to their primary function.

On Oct 17, 9:47*am, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
tony sayer wrote:
In article , George
scribeth thus
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
.. .
Man at B&Q wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:58 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg
Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water
certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.
Agreed inprinciple, but surely it's not acceptable for the tiles to be
sitting in the standing water, as they clearly are in this case.

MBQ

Didnt look like it to me. Looked like they were simply wet at the base
after *running off the water, much as the base of a sheet on the line is
always the last bit to dry.

Look again they're clearly getting wet from the water left behind and
wouldn't this cause the roof trusses to rot?

If I had paid someone to do that I'd have them back sharpish.

Gutters are to get RID of water, not store it thats the rainwater butt's
job!....

Gutters are to stop the roof water runoff cascading down the walls.
I had a long discussion with my BCO in this..

What they do with it, is not relevant to their primary function.

What they shouldn't do with it is! Like letting the roof tiles dip
their toes in it.

MBQ

On Oct 16, 2:25*pm, "George" wrote:
"Man at B&Q" wrote in ...
On Oct 15, 10:58 pm, "The Medway Handyman"



wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg

Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

Agreed inprinciple, but surely it's not acceptable for the tiles to be
sitting in the standing water, as they clearly are in this case.

MBQ

Thas exactly what they are doing.

Has the roof been retiled? Is the bottom row of tiles lower than it
used to be, hence the problem with them being in the standing water?

MBQ

Man at B&Q wrote:

What they shouldn't do with it is! Like letting the roof tiles dip
their toes in it.

MBQ

It's not up to the person who arrives to repair the leaking gutter, to strip
off and re-tile the entire roof though....he's repaired the leaking gutter,
if they want to get a roofer in to sort out the bottom half dozen rows of
tiles, that's up to them.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

"Phil L" wrote in message
news
Man at B&Q wrote:

What they shouldn't do with it is! Like letting the roof tiles dip
their toes in it.

MBQ

It's not up to the person who arrives to repair the leaking gutter, to
strip off and re-tile the entire roof though....he's repaired the leaking
gutter, if they want to get a roofer in to sort out the bottom half dozen
rows of tiles, that's up to them.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008


How did they manage to get 4" of lead under the tiles?wouldn't the roof
struts be in the way?

In article , The Natural
Philosopher scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:
In article , George
scribeth thus
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Man at B&Q wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:58 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg
Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water
certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.
Agreed inprinciple, but surely it's not acceptable for the tiles to be
sitting in the standing water, as they clearly are in this case.

MBQ

Didnt look like it to me. Looked like they were simply wet at the base
after running off the water, much as the base of a sheet on the line is
always the last bit to dry.

Look again they're clearly getting wet from the water left behind and
wouldn't this cause the roof trusses to rot?



If I had paid someone to do that I'd have them back sharpish.

Gutters are to get RID of water, not store it thats the rainwater butt's
job!....

Gutters are to stop the roof water runoff cascading down the walls.
I had a long discussion with my BCO in this..

What they do with it, is not relevant to their primary function.


Beg to differ guv, as I see it their there to collect the water of the
roof and carry it away not to store it. If they do then someone's got
the angles of downtilt cocked up;!..

Water doesn't run uphill..
--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote:


Beg to differ guv, as I see it their there to collect the water of the
roof and carry it away not to store it. If they do then someone's got
the angles of downtilt cocked up;!..

Water doesn't run uphill..

And the sandstone slabs are running the wrong way - hardly the fault of the
person who re-lines them with lead.

What most people here are asking for is ridiculous...it would involve a full
scaffold (£600), removal of sandstone blocks, (heavy lifting gear req -
another £100ish), strip back bottom part of roof, relay sandstone slabs on
top of wall, provided no brickwork moves, patch up inside house, as oten
these blocks are simply plastered over at the top of each inside wall
(£200), plus labour etc and you are looking at a good few grand to put it
exactly how it should be.
Considering the dopey neighbour has been living with a leaky gutter for
christ knows how long, it's highly unlikely that she will pay thousands of
pounds to have this half pint of water removed from her gutters, which work
perfectly BTW.

And it probably did work perfectly until the subsidence which has caused the
guters to run in the opposite direction.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

George wrote:
"Phil L" wrote in message
news
Man at B&Q wrote:

What they shouldn't do with it is! Like letting the roof tiles dip
their toes in it.

MBQ

It's not up to the person who arrives to repair the leaking gutter,
to strip off and re-tile the entire roof though....he's repaired the
leaking gutter, if they want to get a roofer in to sort out the
bottom half dozen rows of tiles, that's up to them.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008


How did they manage to get 4" of lead under the tiles?wouldn't the
roof struts be in the way?

No, they've pushed the bottom row of tiles up and laid the lead, then pulled
them back down - it's highly likely that the joists are much further back
than this

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

In article , Phil L
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:


Beg to differ guv, as I see it their there to collect the water of the
roof and carry it away not to store it. If they do then someone's got
the angles of downtilt cocked up;!..

Water doesn't run uphill..

And the sandstone slabs are running the wrong way - hardly the fault of the
person who re-lines them with lead.

In general the above gutters should be set with the right fall in the
first place..


What most people here are asking for is ridiculous...it would involve a full
scaffold (£600), removal of sandstone blocks, (heavy lifting gear req -
another £100ish), strip back bottom part of roof, relay sandstone slabs on
top of wall, provided no brickwork moves, patch up inside house, as oten
these blocks are simply plastered over at the top of each inside wall
(£200), plus labour etc and you are looking at a good few grand to put it
exactly how it should be.
Considering the dopey neighbour has been living with a leaky gutter for
christ knows how long, it's highly unlikely that she will pay thousands of
pounds to have this half pint of water removed from her gutters, which work
perfectly BTW.

And it probably did work perfectly until the subsidence which has caused the
guters to run in the opposite direction.

Did anyone mention subsidence?....
--
Tony Sayer

In message , Phil L
writes
Considering the dopey neighbour has been living with a leaky gutter for
christ knows how long, it's highly unlikely that she will pay thousands of
pounds to have this half pint of water removed from her gutters, which work
perfectly BTW.

And it probably did work perfectly until the subsidence which has caused the
guters to run in the opposite direction.

Extra downpipes?

regards


--
Tim Lamb

"Phil L" wrote in message
om...
tony sayer wrote:


Beg to differ guv, as I see it their there to collect the water of the
roof and carry it away not to store it. If they do then someone's got
the angles of downtilt cocked up;!..

Water doesn't run uphill..

And the sandstone slabs are running the wrong way - hardly the fault of
the person who re-lines them with lead.

What most people here are asking for is ridiculous...it would involve a
full scaffold (£600), removal of sandstone blocks, (heavy lifting gear
req - another £100ish), strip back bottom part of roof, relay sandstone
slabs on top of wall, provided no brickwork moves, patch up inside house,
as oten these blocks are simply plastered over at the top of each inside
wall (£200), plus labour etc and you are looking at a good few grand to
put it exactly how it should be.
Considering the dopey neighbour has been living with a leaky gutter for
christ knows how long, it's highly unlikely that she will pay thousands of
pounds to have this half pint of water removed from her gutters, which
work perfectly BTW.

And it probably did work perfectly until the subsidence which has caused
the guters to run in the opposite direction.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008


Philip let me make it clear to you...
The rainwater is flowing in the correct direction ie towards my gutter,at
the end of my gutter is the downspout.
putting another downspout inbetween us is not an option basically because we
cannot due to the nature our doorways are adjacent to each other and will
look stupid anyway even if we could put one there.

The problem is the joint, its too thick and blocks the excess water it
leaves up there.
I think it'll get worse when the gutter starts aquiring moss,grass,silt and
I'm thinking the rainwater will start ****ing over the edge in heavy
rainfall?.

tony sayer wrote:
In article , Phil L
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:


Beg to differ guv, as I see it their there to collect the water of
the roof and carry it away not to store it. If they do then
someone's got the angles of downtilt cocked up;!..

Water doesn't run uphill..

And the sandstone slabs are running the wrong way - hardly the fault
of the person who re-lines them with lead.

In general the above gutters should be set with the right fall in the
first place..

They obviously were.


What most people here are asking for is ridiculous...it would
involve a full scaffold (£600), removal of sandstone blocks, (heavy
lifting gear req - another £100ish), strip back bottom part of roof,
relay sandstone slabs on top of wall, provided no brickwork moves,
patch up inside house, as oten these blocks are simply plastered
over at the top of each inside wall (£200), plus labour etc and you
are looking at a good few grand to put it exactly how it should be.
Considering the dopey neighbour has been living with a leaky gutter
for christ knows how long, it's highly unlikely that she will pay
thousands of pounds to have this half pint of water removed from her
gutters, which work perfectly BTW.

And it probably did work perfectly until the subsidence which has
caused the guters to run in the opposite direction.

Did anyone mention subsidence?....

No they didn't, but what do you think has caused a solid sandstone gutter to
run in the opposite direction to what it should?

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

George wrote:


Philip let me make it clear to you...
The rainwater is flowing in the correct direction ie towards my
gutter,at the end of my gutter is the downspout.

I know this George - this is why the neighbours new lead goes over the top
of yours, and what is causing the water to hold.
In a perfect world, it should be one continuous piece of lead so there would
be no steps, but it's not a perfect world and your neighbours lead has
disintegrated/been robbed and so it has to be re-covered...short of
stripping your gutters too, there is no alternative, and this isn't feasible
because A) your gutters aren't leaking and you aren't going to pay for it,
and B) the neighbour isn't going to pay for it neither as it's only her
gutters she is interested in.

putting another downspout inbetween us is not an option basically
because we cannot due to the nature our doorways are adjacent to each
other and will look stupid anyway even if we could put one there.

The problem is the joint, its too thick and blocks the excess water it
leaves up there.
I think it'll get worse when the gutter starts aquiring
moss,grass,silt and I'm thinking the rainwater will start ****ing
over the edge in heavy rainfall?.

so short of stripping the gutters of the entire row of houses,which no one
wants to pay for, can you suggest to me a different way of covering your
neighbours gutter with lead and not having a joint like this - I'm sure
there are an army of roofers out there waiting for the suggestion.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008