If rainwater is being held back due to the join causing a ridge,is it
acceptable for rainwater to stay there to the extent whats left behind is
touching the end of the tiles?

My belief is the whole purpose of a gutter is to catch rainwater and
disperse it via the nearest downspout ie no water should be left behind
providing the gutter is clear of debris or moss.

She's getting her relative on the case but I would like to know whats
acceptable and what isn't? roofers are saying its acceptable.

Cheers

George wrote:
If rainwater is being held back due to the join causing a ridge,is it
acceptable for rainwater to stay there to the extent whats left
behind is touching the end of the tiles?

Water finds its own level & always flows downhill.

The ridge must therefore be the same height as the end of the tiles?

If the gutter is full of water its either perfectly level (unlikely) or
blocked. A ridge would only slow down the flow & leave water the same
height as the ridge itself.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
news
George wrote:
If rainwater is being held back due to the join causing a ridge,is it
acceptable for rainwater to stay there to the extent whats left
behind is touching the end of the tiles?

Water finds its own level & always flows downhill.


Well it certainly can't flow uphill. :-) it finds its level and whats left
up there cannot get past because of the join hump.

The ridge must therefore be the same height as the end of the tiles?


That depends on whether the lead is sitting flush with the gutter and if its
not then there a rise near the join?

If the gutter is full of water its either perfectly level (unlikely) or
blocked. A ridge would only slow down the flow & leave water the same
height as the ridge itself.


Never measured but at a guess the water is about 1/2" deep at the join and
shallower near the other end of the gutter.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

George wrote:
If rainwater is being held back due to the join causing a ridge,is it
acceptable for rainwater to stay there to the extent whats left behind is
touching the end of the tiles?

My belief is the whole purpose of a gutter is to catch rainwater and
disperse it via the nearest downspout ie no water should be left behind
providing the gutter is clear of debris or moss.

She's getting her relative on the case but I would like to know whats
acceptable and what isn't? roofers are saying its acceptable.

Cheers



Surely the ridge alone wouldn't cause that level of water. Maybe the
roofer left his flask up there

George wrote:
If rainwater is being held back due to the join causing a ridge,is it
acceptable for rainwater to stay there to the extent whats left
behind is touching the end of the tiles?

My belief is the whole purpose of a gutter is to catch rainwater and
disperse it via the nearest downspout ie no water should be left
behind providing the gutter is clear of debris or moss.

She's getting her relative on the case but I would like to know whats
acceptable and what isn't? roofers are saying its acceptable.

Cheers

Water will hold in all gutters, whether they are made of brand new plastic
and set at the correct downwards angle, or made of sandstone and dead level,
either way, the fact that it's holding water is immaterial - it must have
been holding water since it was built, given that they have merely lined it
with lead.

As far as your (long) story about the piece of bitumen over the joint is
concerned, the new roofers have done it correctly - the bitumen was a bodge.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

"Phil L" wrote in message
m...
George wrote:
If rainwater is being held back due to the join causing a ridge,is it
acceptable for rainwater to stay there to the extent whats left
behind is touching the end of the tiles?

My belief is the whole purpose of a gutter is to catch rainwater and
disperse it via the nearest downspout ie no water should be left
behind providing the gutter is clear of debris or moss.

She's getting her relative on the case but I would like to know whats
acceptable and what isn't? roofers are saying its acceptable.

Cheers

Water will hold in all gutters, whether they are made of brand new plastic
and set at the correct downwards angle, or made of sandstone and dead
level, either way, the fact that it's holding water is immaterial - it
must have been holding water since it was built, given that they have
merely lined it with lead.

As far as your (long) story about the piece of bitumen over the joint is
concerned, the new roofers have done it correctly - the bitumen was a
bodge.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008


So why isn't there any rainwater in my gutter and the other neighbour next
to me philip?

George wrote:
"Phil L" wrote in message
m...
George wrote:
If rainwater is being held back due to the join causing a ridge,is it
acceptable for rainwater to stay there to the extent whats left
behind is touching the end of the tiles?

My belief is the whole purpose of a gutter is to catch rainwater and
disperse it via the nearest downspout ie no water should be left
behind providing the gutter is clear of debris or moss.

She's getting her relative on the case but I would like to know whats
acceptable and what isn't? roofers are saying its acceptable.

Cheers
Water will hold in all gutters, whether they are made of brand new plastic
and set at the correct downwards angle, or made of sandstone and dead
level, either way, the fact that it's holding water is immaterial - it
must have been holding water since it was built, given that they have
merely lined it with lead.

As far as your (long) story about the piece of bitumen over the joint is
concerned, the new roofers have done it correctly - the bitumen was a
bodge.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008


So why isn't there any rainwater in my gutter and the other neighbour next
to me philip?


Because its got a tad more fall on it, and no obstructions. So what?

George wrote:
"Phil L" wrote in message
m...
George wrote:
If rainwater is being held back due to the join causing a ridge,is
it acceptable for rainwater to stay there to the extent whats left
behind is touching the end of the tiles?

My belief is the whole purpose of a gutter is to catch rainwater and
disperse it via the nearest downspout ie no water should be left
behind providing the gutter is clear of debris or moss.

She's getting her relative on the case but I would like to know
whats acceptable and what isn't? roofers are saying its acceptable.

Cheers

Water will hold in all gutters, whether they are made of brand new
plastic and set at the correct downwards angle, or made of sandstone
and dead level, either way, the fact that it's holding water is
immaterial - it must have been holding water since it was built,
given that they have merely lined it with lead.

As far as your (long) story about the piece of bitumen over the
joint is concerned, the new roofers have done it correctly - the
bitumen was a bodge.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008


So why isn't there any rainwater in my gutter and the other neighbour
next to me philip?

Well there's rainwater in at least one of them George because it's clearly
visible in your photos.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the ridge
join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg

George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the ridge
join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg


I find myself asking what would happen in a hard frost with that much
water there? Wouldn't be too sure the results would be good.

--
Rod

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Rod wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg

I find myself asking what would happen in a hard frost with that much
water there? Wouldn't be too sure the results would be good.

No problem at all. Its not constrained. so it will do no damage.

Remember gutters are not there to COLLECT water. They are there to get
rid of it to avoid it soaking the edge/wall of the building. Whether
they store some locally, or dump it into a soakaway, is irrelevant.

They only have to not leak wayer into the structure, and not spill it
over the edge to form a driving patch of wet on a wall that can soak it
too much.

In message , The Natural
Philosopher writes

Remember gutters are not there to COLLECT water. They are there to get
rid of it to avoid it soaking the edge/wall of the building. Whether
they store some locally, or dump it into a soakaway, is irrelevant.

Water stored in gutters leads to problems with algal growth and
collected leaves.

Was this always a lead gutter or is it a bodge where sheet lead has been
used rather than replacing cast iron?

regards

--
Tim Lamb

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
news
In message , The Natural
Philosopher writes

Remember gutters are not there to COLLECT water. They are there to get rid
of it to avoid it soaking the edge/wall of the building. Whether they
store some locally, or dump it into a soakaway, is irrelevant.

Water stored in gutters leads to problems with algal growth and collected
leaves.

Was this always a lead gutter or is it a bodge where sheet lead has been
used rather than replacing cast iron?

regards

--
Tim Lamb

The full story or what I know.

Sandstone guttering,so they has to be lined with lead.
1st roofer made a joint bodge between mine and the neighbours with a piece
of roofing felt,this gave rise to my neighbours bedroom wall getting soaked
because the water wasn't going anywhere except over the gutter and into the
brickwork.
2nd roofer comes out and the result is still the same but he assured the
lead has gone in under the tiles about three to four inches to stop the
water travelling down into the brickwork but the amount of water getting
trapped up there now is worse than when the 1st roofer bodged it.
I believe the joint has gone over my lead but it looks as if he has bent the
lead over and tapped it down over mine? which will form a ridge too high for
the excess water to run off freely.

Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural
Philosopher writes

Remember gutters are not there to COLLECT water. They are there to get
rid of it to avoid it soaking the edge/wall of the building. Whether
they store some locally, or dump it into a soakaway, is irrelevant.

Water stored in gutters leads to problems with algal growth and
collected leaves.


Oh hah bloody ha.

Alga growth does no harm and leaves will be there whether there is water
in or not. Until the wind blows em out or the next water wahes them out.




Was this always a lead gutter or is it a bodge where sheet lead has been
used rather than replacing cast iron?

regards


Fer *** sake, you dont make iron gutters like that.

Its a classic cast in stone gutter and parapet.

You lead line em.

If you butt or solder the lead together it pulls part in the cold Or
buckles in the sun. If you lap them together the water creeps
underneath,. Experince has lead to a simple technique. You fold the lead
a bit like rolling up a toothpast tube and mash it down., This doesn't
leak, wont split when the lead shrinks, and is waterproof. It always
leaves a slight ridge. All lead gutters end up with puddles if they are
essentially level. Think of them as moats, with drains.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
snip
They only have to not leak water into the structure, and not spill it
over the edge to form a driving patch of wet on a wall that can soak it
too much.

The water appears to have soaked into the tiles at the bottom. I wonder
what a good hard frost would do? (nothing here BTW we don't have
winters any more...)

Andy

George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg

The gutter is flowing towards the joint.

The new lead therefore has to go over the old lead, as it clearly does from
your photo - it can't go underneath it, which would eliminate this unsighlty
joint, but would have the rather serious knock on effect of delivering all
the rainwater under your lead

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg

Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

As long as it doesn't overflow in heavy rain it doesn't matter. Pour a
complete bucket full of water in as fast as you can & see what happens.



--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

The Medway Handyman wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg

Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

As long as it doesn't overflow in heavy rain it doesn't matter. Pour a
complete bucket full of water in as fast as you can & see what happens.



Exactly.

Standing water alwtys happens somewhere in guttering. As does any amount
of organic trash washed off the roof. Just clear em out every year or so
after the leaves and gales have finished..

On Oct 15, 10:58*pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg

Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

Agreed inprinciple, but surely it's not acceptable for the tiles to be
sitting in the standing water, as they clearly are in this case.

MBQ

Man at B&Q wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:58 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg
Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

Agreed inprinciple, but surely it's not acceptable for the tiles to be
sitting in the standing water, as they clearly are in this case.

MBQ

Didnt look like it to me. Looked like they were simply wet at the base
after running off the water, much as the base of a sheet on the line is
always the last bit to dry.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Man at B&Q wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:58 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg
Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water
certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

Agreed inprinciple, but surely it's not acceptable for the tiles to be
sitting in the standing water, as they clearly are in this case.

MBQ

Didnt look like it to me. Looked like they were simply wet at the base
after running off the water, much as the base of a sheet on the line is
always the last bit to dry.


Look again they're clearly getting wet from the water left behind and
wouldn't this cause the roof trusses to rot?

On Oct 16, 1:19*pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Man at B&Q wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:58 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg
www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg
Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

Agreed inprinciple, but surely it's not acceptable for the tiles to be
sitting in the standing water, as they clearly are in this case.

MBQ

Didnt look like it to me.

You can quite clearly see the difference in reflection where the tiles
are touching the water.

MBQ

"Man at B&Q" wrote in message
...
On Oct 15, 10:58 pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg

Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

Agreed inprinciple, but surely it's not acceptable for the tiles to be
sitting in the standing water, as they clearly are in this case.

MBQ

Thas exactly what they are doing.

On Oct 16, 2:25*pm, "George" wrote:
"Man at B&Q" wrote in ...
On Oct 15, 10:58 pm, "The Medway Handyman"



wrote:
George wrote:
Would this amount of rainwater be accetable to you? pic 'b' is the
ridge join between two gutters.

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/a.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/b.jpg

www.20xx20.myby.co.uk/c.jpg

Don't know about acceptable (to whom?) but that amount of water certainly
isn't unusual in the gutters I see on a regular basis.

IME gutters rarely have the correct fall on them and usually have a flat
length where water collects.

Agreed inprinciple, but surely it's not acceptable for the tiles to be
sitting in the standing water, as they clearly are in this case.

MBQ

Thas exactly what they are doing.

Has the roof been retiled? Is the bottom row of tiles lower than it
used to be, hence the problem with them being in the standing water?

MBQ