I had to have a general anaesthetic on Saturday morning and as I was
having the injection, before they hooked me up with the tubes, I just
crashed out until he started to bring me round.

My question is, why didn't I have any dreams?

Dave

"Dave" wrote in message
...
I had to have a general anaesthetic on Saturday morning and as I was having
the injection, before they hooked me up with the tubes, I just crashed out
until he started to bring me round.

My question is, why didn't I have any dreams?

Dave
Maybe you did have dreams, but you don't remember.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:16:53 +0100, "sleepingtiger"
wrote:


"Dave" wrote in message
...
I had to have a general anaesthetic on Saturday morning and as I was having
the injection, before they hooked me up with the tubes, I just crashed out
until he started to bring me round.

My question is, why didn't I have any dreams?

I think the aneasthetic stops that activity within the brain.

OTOH once just waking up from a general aneasthesia at the dentist I
remember thinking I had fallen asleep on a mediterranean beach.

It was the dentists light shining through my eyelids. 8-|


Dave
Maybe you did have dreams, but you don't remember.


I know if you are *sedated* as opposed to aneasthetised they dose you
with an agent that makes you forget about the experience, and also
with an agent that makes you dis-interested in what's going on.

*BANG* -Oh he must be hammering something into my jaw.

*BANG* -Oh well.

*BANG* -Wonder what day it is, Im ever so tired.

Derek.

In message , Dave
writes
I had to have a general anaesthetic on Saturday morning and as I was
having the injection, before they hooked me up with the tubes, I just
crashed out until he started to bring me round.

My question is, why didn't I have any dreams?

Dreaming is associated with sleeping

You weren't asleep you were unconscious

--
geoff

I know if you are *sedated* as opposed to aneasthetised they dose you
with an agent that makes you forget about the experience, and also
with an agent that makes you dis-interested in what's going on.

There's a medical term for that stuff...
....Antilitigant

Rather good for this time of night I thought.

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

On 17/09/2008 23:37, Derek Geldard wrote:

I know if you are *sedated* as opposed to aneasthetised they dose you
with an agent that makes you forget about the experience, and also
with an agent that makes you dis-interested in what's going on.

*BANG* -Oh he must be hammering something into my jaw.

*BANG* -Oh well.

*BANG* -Wonder what day it is, Im ever so tired.

I've had hammers, chisels and torque wrenches used on my jaws with just
a local anaesthetic, it was quite strange but not particularly unpleasant.

Derek Geldard wrote:

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:16:53 +0100, "sleepingtiger"
wrote:


"Dave" wrote in message
.. .

I had to have a general anaesthetic on Saturday morning and as I was having
the injection, before they hooked me up with the tubes, I just crashed out
until he started to bring me round.

My question is, why didn't I have any dreams?


I think the aneasthetic stops that activity within the brain.

OTOH once just waking up from a general aneasthesia at the dentist I
remember thinking I had fallen asleep on a mediterranean beach.

It was the dentists light shining through my eyelids. 8-|


Dave

Maybe you did have dreams, but you don't remember.



I know if you are *sedated* as opposed to aneasthetised they dose you
with an agent that makes you forget about the experience, and also
with an agent that makes you dis-interested in what's going on.

*BANG* -Oh he must be hammering something into my jaw.

*BANG* -Oh well.

*BANG* -Wonder what day it is, Im ever so tired.


I have never been in that situation, so many thanks for your experience.

Dave

geoff wrote:

In message , Dave
writes

I had to have a general anaesthetic on Saturday morning and as I was
having the injection, before they hooked me up with the tubes, I just
crashed out until he started to bring me round.

My question is, why didn't I have any dreams?

Dreaming is associated with sleeping

You weren't asleep you were unconscious

I hadn't looked it that way.
I was in for re attachment of my retina/ Part of the post opp treatment
is to lay on my right side all day and night for 10 days (Its called
posturing) and even now 5 days later, I am still waking up thinking that
when I get home...
I've been home since Sunday. Roll on Monday when I can get on with a
normal life. Even if it does mean walking and no driving.

Dave

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:10:50 +0100, Dave
wrote:

I had to have a general anaesthetic on Saturday morning and as I was
having the injection, before they hooked me up with the tubes, I just
crashed out until he started to bring me round.

My question is, why didn't I have any dreams?

Dave

There are various grades of unconsiousness. You only dream in the
lighter ones. Under a GA, you are just a step from having your vital
functions shut down, (Death), and brain activity is at the minimum
level to keep them going.

In message , Dave
writes
geoff wrote:

In message , Dave
writes

I had to have a general anaesthetic on Saturday morning and as I was
having the injection, before they hooked me up with the tubes, I just
crashed out until he started to bring me round.

My question is, why didn't I have any dreams?

Dreaming is associated with sleeping
You weren't asleep you were unconscious

I hadn't looked it that way.
I was in for re attachment of my retina/ Part of the post opp treatment
is to lay on my right side all day and night for 10 days (Its called
posturing) and even now 5 days later, I am still waking up thinking
that when I get home...
I've been home since Sunday. Roll on Monday when I can get on with a
normal life. Even if it does mean walking and no driving.

That'll be good for you

It's several months since I used my car

2km to work each way every day on foot

still a fat ******* nontheless


--
geoff

In message , EricP
writes
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:10:50 +0100, Dave
wrote:

I had to have a general anaesthetic on Saturday morning and as I was
having the injection, before they hooked me up with the tubes, I just
crashed out until he started to bring me round.

My question is, why didn't I have any dreams?

Dave

There are various grades of unconsiousness. You only dream in the
lighter ones. Under a GA, you are just a step from having your vital
functions shut down, (Death), and brain activity is at the minimum
level to keep them going.

Thats the theory, anyway

--
geoff

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:28:46 GMT, EricP wrote:

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:10:50 +0100, Dave
wrote:

I had to have a general anaesthetic on Saturday morning and as I was
having the injection, before they hooked me up with the tubes, I just
crashed out until he started to bring me round.

My question is, why didn't I have any dreams?

Dave

There are various grades of unconsiousness. You only dream in the
lighter ones. Under a GA, you are just a step from having your vital
functions shut down, (Death), and brain activity is at the minimum
level to keep them going.

An ex GF (antediluvian) was a theatre nurse & recounted several episodes
where the 'patient' entertained the staff (whilst supposedly unconcious) by
graphically describing various scenarios ranging from orgasmic bliss to
'one-sided arguments'.

Incidently, isn't dreaming done in the R.E.M stage of sleep?

Don.

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:33:09 +0100, geoff wrote:

In message , Dave
writes
geoff wrote:

In message , Dave
writes

I had to have a general anaesthetic on Saturday morning and as I was
having the injection, before they hooked me up with the tubes, I just
crashed out until he started to bring me round.

My question is, why didn't I have any dreams?

Dreaming is associated with sleeping
You weren't asleep you were unconscious

I hadn't looked it that way.
I was in for re attachment of my retina/ Part of the post opp treatment
is to lay on my right side all day and night for 10 days (Its called
posturing) and even now 5 days later, I am still waking up thinking
that when I get home...
I've been home since Sunday. Roll on Monday when I can get on with a
normal life. Even if it does mean walking and no driving.

That'll be good for you

It's several months since I used my car

2km to work each way every day on foot

still a fat ******* nontheless

Muscles are heavier than fat
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http://www.holidayunder100.co.uk

"mogga" wrote in message
...

Muscles are heavier than fat

Muscles are more /dense/ than fat.

EricP wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:10:50 +0100, Dave
wrote:


I had to have a general anaesthetic on Saturday morning and as I was
having the injection, before they hooked me up with the tubes, I just
crashed out until he started to bring me round.

My question is, why didn't I have any dreams?

Dave


There are various grades of unconsiousness. You only dream in the
lighter ones. Under a GA, you are just a step from having your vital
functions shut down, (Death), and brain activity is at the minimum
level to keep them going.

I wish that I had not read that now :-((

Dave

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
et...
On 17/09/2008 23:37, Derek Geldard wrote:

I know if you are *sedated* as opposed to aneasthetised they dose you
with an agent that makes you forget about the experience, and also
with an agent that makes you dis-interested in what's going on.

*BANG* -Oh he must be hammering something into my jaw.

*BANG* -Oh well.

*BANG* -Wonder what day it is, Im ever so tired.

I've had hammers, chisels and torque wrenches used on my jaws with just a
local anaesthetic, it was quite strange but not particularly unpleasant.

I`ve threatened one dentist with being thrown out of a window if he didn`t
stop when I told him to :-) I HATE dental work, had a very bad dentist when
I was a kid who really hurt me and ever since then I just don`t like them.
but as long as they and I know I`m in charge and can stop it I`m OK. If
they try to carry on after I mumble "ow" then it gets shouty :-)

"Simon Finnigan" wrote:

I`ve threatened one dentist with being thrown out of a window if he didn`t
stop when I told him to :-) I HATE dental work, had a very bad dentist when
I was a kid who really hurt me and ever since then I just don`t like them.
but as long as they and I know I`m in charge and can stop it I`m OK. If
they try to carry on after I mumble "ow" then it gets shouty :-)


I'm exactly the same, and for the same reason; bad experiences as a
child, and I had many problems with my teeth so needed a lot of
treatment every year until I was 21.

I now need some complex treatment (a new bridge, possibly supported on
implants, so I am considering going abroad to have it done. The
prices in the UK for anything more than a standard filling are
horrendous.

Simon Finnigan wrote:

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
et...

On 17/09/2008 23:37, Derek Geldard wrote:

I know if you are *sedated* as opposed to aneasthetised they dose you
with an agent that makes you forget about the experience, and also
with an agent that makes you dis-interested in what's going on.

*BANG* -Oh he must be hammering something into my jaw.

*BANG* -Oh well.

*BANG* -Wonder what day it is, Im ever so tired.


I've had hammers, chisels and torque wrenches used on my jaws with
just a local anaesthetic, it was quite strange but not particularly
unpleasant.


I`ve threatened one dentist with being thrown out of a window if he
didn`t stop when I told him to :-) I HATE dental work, had a very bad
dentist when I was a kid who really hurt me and ever since then I just
don`t like them. but as long as they and I know I`m in charge and can
stop it I`m OK. If they try to carry on after I mumble "ow" then it
gets shouty :-)

You too. I had a similar bit of pain when I had tooth ache in one of my
upper molars. At that time the only solution was to go to Manchester
dental hospital as emergency dentists did not exists then. Master
dentist came and looked in my mouth and condemned the tooth on opposite
side to the one that was giving me pain.

Young trainee got a pair of pliers out and tried to extract first one
tooth and then went for the second one. After some time the Master came
back and asked her what the problem was. At this point, he took over
after producing an even bigger pair of pliers and tried to do an
extraction. when he failed he got an even bigger pair out and tried
them. Nothing.

He then went for an even bigger pair and proceeded to break the first
tooth into 4 pieces. When he came to the second one he mentioned
something about me being a symmetrical man and broke that into 4 pieces.
He then changed to a smaller pair and extracted the 8 pieces, pushed my
gums together and sent me home.

I must has contracted a gum disease that day, as I was in pain for 6 or
more weeks after that. This experience put me off dentists for life. But
about 12 years later I got another toothache that was worse than having
the first 2 out and I explained about the pain I had to go through and
he simply packed the gum with an antibiotic. I just went into shock and
bled from the mouth for 24 hours.

Dave

On 18/09/2008 23:01, Bruce wrote:

I now need some complex treatment (a new bridge, possibly supported on
implants, so I am considering going abroad to have it done.

That was exactly what my treatment was, the hammering and chiselling was
a bone implant, the torque wrench to tighten the implant screws into
the jaw, bridge fitted a few months later after bone had "grown-over",
all done in Hungary 3 years ago and very pleased with results.

Andy Burns wrote:

On 18/09/2008 23:01, Bruce wrote:

I now need some complex treatment (a new bridge, possibly supported on
implants, so I am considering going abroad to have it done.

That was exactly what my treatment was, the hammering and chiselling was
a bone implant, the torque wrench to tighten the implant screws into
the jaw, bridge fitted a few months later after bone had "grown-over",
all done in Hungary 3 years ago and very pleased with results.


Yes, that's it, and Hungary would probably be my choice too. This is
the company I am looking at:

http://www.vitaleurope.co.uk/

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Simon Finnigan wrote:

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
et...

On 17/09/2008 23:37, Derek Geldard wrote:

I know if you are *sedated* as opposed to aneasthetised they dose you
with an agent that makes you forget about the experience, and also
with an agent that makes you dis-interested in what's going on.

*BANG* -Oh he must be hammering something into my jaw.

*BANG* -Oh well.

*BANG* -Wonder what day it is, Im ever so tired.


I've had hammers, chisels and torque wrenches used on my jaws with just
a local anaesthetic, it was quite strange but not particularly
unpleasant.


I`ve threatened one dentist with being thrown out of a window if he
didn`t stop when I told him to :-) I HATE dental work, had a very bad
dentist when I was a kid who really hurt me and ever since then I just
don`t like them. but as long as they and I know I`m in charge and can
stop it I`m OK. If they try to carry on after I mumble "ow" then it gets
shouty :-)

You too. I had a similar bit of pain when I had tooth ache in one of my
upper molars. At that time the only solution was to go to Manchester
dental hospital as emergency dentists did not exists then. Master dentist
came and looked in my mouth and condemned the tooth on opposite side to
the one that was giving me pain.

Young trainee got a pair of pliers out and tried to extract first one
tooth and then went for the second one. After some time the Master came
back and asked her what the problem was. At this point, he took over after
producing an even bigger pair of pliers and tried to do an extraction.
when he failed he got an even bigger pair out and tried them. Nothing.

He then went for an even bigger pair and proceeded to break the first
tooth into 4 pieces. When he came to the second one he mentioned something
about me being a symmetrical man and broke that into 4 pieces. He then
changed to a smaller pair and extracted the 8 pieces, pushed my gums
together and sent me home.

I must has contracted a gum disease that day, as I was in pain for 6 or
more weeks after that. This experience put me off dentists for life. But
about 12 years later I got another toothache that was worse than having
the first 2 out and I explained about the pain I had to go through and he
simply packed the gum with an antibiotic. I just went into shock and bled
from the mouth for 24 hours.

having said all this, I had to have a load of work done in my teens and
found a very good dentist. Had 7 teeth out, so he put me under a GA for
that one. Had to have 3 teeth out at another time, and I didn`t see a drop
of blood. Apparently it was gushing all over the place, but he knew what I
was like and just made sure I didn`t see anything that would get me upset.

then again, after having the GA, he did wake me up by gently slapping my
face. After I`d had 3 teeth out on one side, and 4 out the other.
Apparently what I told him to do wasn`t very polite :-)

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:15:38 +0100, Bruce wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

On 18/09/2008 23:01, Bruce wrote:

I now need some complex treatment (a new bridge, possibly supported on
implants, so I am considering going abroad to have it done.

That was exactly what my treatment was, the hammering and chiselling was
a bone implant, the torque wrench to tighten the implant screws into
the jaw, bridge fitted a few months later after bone had "grown-over",
all done in Hungary 3 years ago and very pleased with results.


Yes, that's it, and Hungary would probably be my choice too. This is
the company I am looking at:

http://www.vitaleurope.co.uk/

I've been looking at

http://www.softdentis.com/index.php?lang=en in Wroclaw (Poland).

Wroclaw is a very nice medieval "old town" sort of place and the
dentistry is cheaper than Krakow, it's also a small practice and
you're not paying for a cut for agents/dealerships in London. It's
also a Ryanair & Wizz destination.

It doesn't look like she does implants.

Derek

Derek wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:15:38 +0100, Bruce wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

On 18/09/2008 23:01, Bruce wrote:

I now need some complex treatment (a new bridge, possibly supported on
implants, so I am considering going abroad to have it done.

That was exactly what my treatment was, the hammering and chiselling was
a bone implant, the torque wrench to tighten the implant screws into
the jaw, bridge fitted a few months later after bone had "grown-over",
all done in Hungary 3 years ago and very pleased with results.


Yes, that's it, and Hungary would probably be my choice too. This is
the company I am looking at:

http://www.vitaleurope.co.uk/

I've been looking at

http://www.softdentis.com/index.php?lang=en in Wroclaw (Poland).

Wroclaw is a very nice medieval "old town" sort of place and the
dentistry is cheaper than Krakow, it's also a small practice and
you're not paying for a cut for agents/dealerships in London. It's
also a Ryanair & Wizz destination.

It doesn't look like she does implants.


Thanks Derek.

thre re varygin depths of anaesthesia as described originally with a single
agent ( ether/chloroform etc)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guedel%27s_classification
(or google for Guedel)

not strictly the same nowadays as anaesthetists use several different drugs.
http://www.biology-online.org/dictio...ed_anaesthesia

Depth of Anaesthesia is a balance between the amount of drugs you are given
and the degree of surgical stimulation ( how big a hole they are making )

Dreaming is reported at the lighter stages of anaesthesia.


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p cooper wrote:

thre re varygin depths of anaesthesia as described originally with a single
agent ( ether/chloroform etc)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guedel%27s_classification
(or google for Guedel)

not strictly the same nowadays as anaesthetists use several different drugs.
http://www.biology-online.org/dictio...ed_anaesthesia

Depth of Anaesthesia is a balance between the amount of drugs you are given
and the degree of surgical stimulation ( how big a hole they are making )

I was having my left eye retina re joined to my eye.


Dreaming is reported at the lighter stages of anaesthesia.

Well my experience certainly put me a lot lower than a light knock out.
It was my first since I was 7 years old though. So I didn't know what to
expect.

Dave