Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a covert
level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam

On 2008-07-17 17:38:09 +0100, "ARWadworth"
said:

Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam

Trouble with the neighbours again Adam?

To answer your question, though, I was looking at several security
equipment suppliers for something else recently. I've checked a few
web sites from my list and all of them seem to be chargng £300 to 330
for what you want.

ARWadworth wrote:
Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert level IIA stab proof vest.

The ones issued to London Ambulance staff are tailor made & cost around £350
each.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-17 17:38:09 +0100, "ARWadworth"
said:

Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam

Trouble with the neighbours again Adam?

I reckon his girlfriend has found out about the bit on the side :-)


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:07:10 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

ARWadworth wrote:
Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert level IIA stab proof vest.

The ones issued to London Ambulance staff are tailor made & cost around £350
each.

I doubt they are tailor made as opposed to just being made in a number
of sizes. One thing that always amazes me is that they seem to offer
no protection to the lower abdomen and that an upward strike would
likely slide in underneath the vest.

On 2008-07-17 18:07:58 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-17 17:38:09 +0100, "ARWadworth"
said:

Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam

Trouble with the neighbours again Adam?

I reckon his girlfriend has found out about the bit on the side :-)

I wonder if these vests or an accessory have naughty bits coverage.

Geoff wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:07:10 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

ARWadworth wrote:
Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert level IIA stab proof vest.

The ones issued to London Ambulance staff are tailor made & cost
around £350 each.

I doubt they are tailor made as opposed to just being made in a number
of sizes. One thing that always amazes me is that they seem to offer
no protection to the lower abdomen and that an upward strike would
likely slide in underneath the vest.

My daughter was measured for hers and had to wait a fortnight for it to be
made.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In message , The Medway
Handyman writes
Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-17 17:38:09 +0100, "ARWadworth"
said:

Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam

Trouble with the neighbours again Adam?

I reckon his girlfriend has found out about the bit on the side :-)


Armour plated box is what he needs


--
geoff

geoff wrote:
In message , The
Medway Handyman writes
Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-17 17:38:09 +0100, "ARWadworth"
said:

Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for
a covert level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam

Trouble with the neighbours again Adam?

I reckon his girlfriend has found out about the bit on the side :-)


Armour plated box is what he needs

If she gets to him first he's gonna need a silk lined box...


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:487f7800@qaanaaq...
On 2008-07-17 17:38:09 +0100, "ARWadworth"
said:

Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam

Trouble with the neighbours again Adam?

No. Just expecting it.

He (the next door neighbour) has threatened me with a knife before, his Dad
died in a mental instituition (a little research found that out) and today
he spent 20 minutes walking around his back garden while talking to himself
and saying he will kill That Dick (his nickname for me) and That Fat *******
(his nickname for his other next door neighbour).

Personally I do expect him to try to stab me at some point. Certain
officials are taking action against him and his wife for other behavioural
problems and so I expect things can only get worse. I cannot YouTube him yet
because of these actions against them.

To answer your question, though, I was looking at several security
equipment suppliers for something else recently. I've checked a few web
sites from my list and all of them seem to be chargng £300 to 330 for what
you want.



A small price to pay.

Adam

"ARWadworth" wrote in message
om...
Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam

Doesn't answer your questiion but a few years ago you could buy chain mail
clothes from www.kinel.co.uk.

The company appears to have disappeared, but not before their web site was
archived by the "wayback machine".

I have no idea whether they were stab proof, but the site was interesting
anyhow ;-) : http://tinyurl.com/6buws7 (very slow)

Make your own judgement.

Vortex3 wrote:
"ARWadworth" wrote in message
om...
Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam

Doesn't answer your questiion but a few years ago you could buy chain
mail clothes from www.kinel.co.uk.

The company appears to have disappeared, but not before their web
site was archived by the "wayback machine".

I have no idea whether they were stab proof, but the site was
interesting anyhow ;-) : http://tinyurl.com/6buws7 (very slow)

Make your own judgement.

Chain mail is fairly good at resisting slashing attacks, but relatively poor
at resisting stabbing. "The point always beats the edge" as they say.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

He (the next door neighbour) has threatened me with a knife before, his Dad
died in a mental instituition (a little research found that out) and today
he spent 20 minutes walking around his back garden while talking to himself
and saying he will kill That Dick (his nickname for me) and That Fat *******
(his nickname for his other next door neighbour).

Wonder if you can get him sectioned under the mental health act ? -
certainly sounds like he needs assessment...

ARWadworth wrote in message
om...
Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert
level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam



how about £25, but not quite covert

http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/include...53&start=0&sea
rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=

or
http://tinyurl.com/6b9uxq

-

how about £25, but not quite covert
http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/include...53&start=0&sea
rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=

Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler" -
could this be the armour that's missing ?

For £50, it looks like you can get ex-police body armour, not sure
what the stab level is though...

http://www.britishmilitarysurplus.co...hopscr118.html

In message , ARWadworth
writes

"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:487f7800@qaanaaq...
On 2008-07-17 17:38:09 +0100, "ARWadworth"
said:

Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam

Trouble with the neighbours again Adam?

No. Just expecting it.

He (the next door neighbour) has threatened me with a knife before, his
Dad died in a mental instituition (a little research found that out)
and today he spent 20 minutes walking around his back garden while
talking to himself and saying he will kill That Dick (his nickname for
me) and That Fat ******* (his nickname for his other next door neighbour).

Personally I do expect him to try to stab me at some point. Certain
officials are taking action against him and his wife for other
behavioural problems and so I expect things can only get worse. I
cannot YouTube him yet because of these actions against them.

To answer your question, though, I was looking at several security
equipment suppliers for something else recently. I've checked a few
web sites from my list and all of them seem to be chargng £300 to 330
for what you want.



A small price to pay.

Adam

Replied via email. Is your address valid?

Someone

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:17:19 GMT, "Mark" wrote:


ARWadworth wrote in message
. com...
Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert
level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam



how about £25, but not quite covert

http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/include...53&start=0&sea
rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_rang e=

or
http://tinyurl.com/6b9uxq

When I retired about 3½ years ago I gave away a stab-proof vest
(unused but tried-on once or twice). Hardly covert, it had a white
washable liner. I think it had titanium plates as its active elements.
It was bloody heavy to wear though.
I think my successors were issued with slightly more
ballistic-resistant PPE...

--
Frank Erskine

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:17:19 GMT, Mark wrote:

ARWadworth wrote in message
om...
Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert
level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam


how about £25, but not quite covert

http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/include...53&start=0&sea
rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=

or
http://tinyurl.com/6b9uxq

-

I must get my eyes tested....I read that as quilt cover.

Don.

Colin Wilson wrote:
how about £25, but not quite covert
http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/include...53&start=0&sea
rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=

Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler" -
could this be the armour that's missing ?

That looks like just the cover. Becky's stab vest came with a spare cover
in case ooh nasty stuff gets splattered on it.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

The Medway Handyman coughed up some electrons that declared:

Colin Wilson wrote:
how about £25, but not quite covert

http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/include...53&start=0&sea
rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=

Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler" -
could this be the armour that's missing ?

That looks like just the cover. Becky's stab vest came with a spare cover
in case ooh nasty stuff gets splattered on it.



It's a sad state of affairs when members of the fire brigade and ambulance
services need to worry about people trying to main them

On 17 Jul, 17:38, "ARWadworth" wrote:
Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a covert
level IIA stab proof vest.

Eat some pies, wear a non-covert one under a big shirt. You pay a
_lot_ for the extra-thin covert ones.

Also they're no bloody use. If you're in a situation where such a
thing is likely to be worn (doorstaff maybe), then your general
demeanour intimidates many, drunken students are a nuisance and little
more, so your largest actual threat is from the serious nutter. They
aren't going to stab you in the vest, they'll aim somewhere more
effective, just in case you are wearing one.

On 17 Jul, 18:49, Andy Hall wrote:

I wonder if these vests or an accessory have naughty bits coverage.

My Felix suit has separate pieces for anti-vampire protection, and a
bollock guard (which is really there to protect your femoral artery
anyway).

On 17 Jul, 18:44, Geoff wrote:

I doubt they are tailor made as opposed to just being made in a number
of sizes.

Many are tailor made, to some extent. There are a number of plates, so
as to give some articulation, and you can order each plate to be of a
range of standard sizes (i.e. are you apple-shaped or pear-shaped).
Covers are then sewn up to fit the particular set of plates that
you've ordered.

On Jul 17, 9:27*pm, "ARWadworth"
wrote:

today
he spent 20 minutes walking around his back garden while talking to himself
and saying he will kill That Dick (his nickname for me) and That Fat *******
(his nickname for his other next door neighbour).

Personally I do expect him to try to stab me at some point. Certain
officials are taking action against him and his wife for other behavioural
problems

Got this info from a member of the local Community Mental Health
Trust:

If you haven't already, you should definitely and immediately contact
the Police about the latest incident.

They should contact the relevant organization and also tell you of
anyone else you can contact.

If you already have a contact name at Social Services/Community Mental
Health Trust, you should also contact them. If not, get this info
from the Police or Google for it.

Threats like this are taken seriously, there are procedures to deal
with them and you shouldn't have to rely on buying yourself a stab-
proof jacket. It's good to leave a paper trail and also the more
information/incidents that are reported, the more likely there's a
critical mass of evidence to warrant intervention.

HTH.

"Colin Wilson" o.uk wrote
in message g...
how about £25, but not quite covert
http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/include...53&start=0&sea
rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=

Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler" -
could this be the armour that's missing ?


TBA I didn’t read it properly either, I looked at this one
http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/shopscr454.html
but then noticed the ex-army one cheaper.


For £50, it looks like you can get ex-police body armour, not sure
what the stab level is though...

http://www.britishmilitarysurplus.co...hopscr118.html


That’s looks the same as my one above, but half the price.





-

Andy Dingley wrote:
On 17 Jul, 17:38, "ARWadworth" wrote:
Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a covert
level IIA stab proof vest.

Eat some pies, wear a non-covert one under a big shirt. You pay a
_lot_ for the extra-thin covert ones.

Also they're no bloody use. If you're in a situation where such a
thing is likely to be worn (doorstaff maybe), then your general
demeanour intimidates many, drunken students are a nuisance and little
more, so your largest actual threat is from the serious nutter. They
aren't going to stab you in the vest, they'll aim somewhere more
effective, just in case you are wearing one.

The point is, apart from a blade into the brain through the eyes, the
death dealing blows are to the torso. Specifically tthe heart: even a
ripped artery is not fatal if tthe flow is staunched in time.



I am wndering if a titanium mail shirt (marketed as 'Mithril') has any
commercial value :-)

On 2008-07-18 10:47:44 +0100, Andy Dingley said:

On 17 Jul, 18:49, Andy Hall wrote:

I wonder if these vests or an accessory have naughty bits coverage.

My Felix suit has separate pieces for anti-vampire protection, and a
bollock guard (which is really there to protect your femoral artery
anyway).

This in a way is what surprises me about this kind or armour - which
essentially covers the abdomen. If one really wanted to off somebody
quickly, the femoral artery area would be the place to aim for. I
believe that death can be in a very few minutes from a fully severed
artery. I was surprised at how quickly the circulation works.
I'd always thought that it was minutes, but found out during a recent
CT scan that it's seconds.

I suppose that most teenage thugs will tend to stab in the chest and
abdomen rather than thinking about what to do.

"somebody" wrote in message
...
In message , ARWadworth
writes

"Andy Hall" wrote in message news:487f7800@qaanaaq...
On 2008-07-17 17:38:09 +0100, "ARWadworth"
said:

Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam

Trouble with the neighbours again Adam?

No. Just expecting it.

He (the next door neighbour) has threatened me with a knife before, his
Dad died in a mental instituition (a little research found that out) and
today he spent 20 minutes walking around his back garden while talking to
himself and saying he will kill That Dick (his nickname for me) and That
Fat ******* (his nickname for his other next door neighbour).

Personally I do expect him to try to stab me at some point. Certain
officials are taking action against him and his wife for other behavioural
problems and so I expect things can only get worse. I cannot YouTube him
yet because of these actions against them.

To answer your question, though, I was looking at several security
equipment suppliers for something else recently. I've checked a few
web sites from my list and all of them seem to be chargng £300 to 330
for what you want.



A small price to pay.

Adam

Replied via email. Is your address valid?

Someone

Cheers. I have received it.

Adam

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...




The point is, apart from a blade into the brain through the eyes, the
death dealing blows are to the torso. Specifically tthe heart: even a
ripped artery is not fatal if tthe flow is staunched in time.

I could kill you with a 1" knife without touching the organs or an artery
and it would be instant.
I have not seen a vest designed to stop it either.
I will not disclose it here.

"Vortex3" wrote in message
...

"ARWadworth" wrote in message
om...
Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam

Doesn't answer your questiion but a few years ago you could buy chain mail
clothes from www.kinel.co.uk.

The company appears to have disappeared, but not before their web site was
archived by the "wayback machine".

I have no idea whether they were stab proof, but the site was interesting
anyhow ;-) : http://tinyurl.com/6buws7 (very slow)

Make your own judgement.


Your tiny url shows a picture of a woman with no bra wearing a see through
dress.

Adam

ARWadworth wrote in


"Vortex3" wrote in message
...
snip
I have no idea whether they were stab proof, but the site was
interesting anyhow ;-) : http://tinyurl.com/6buws7 (very slow)

Make your own judgement.


Your tiny url shows a picture of a woman with no bra wearing a see
through dress.

Just the kind of thing I imagine you'd have a stab at

--
PeterMcC
If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
inappropriate or offensive in any way,
please ignore it and accept my apologies.

"ARWadworth" wrote in message
om...

"Vortex3" wrote in message
...

"ARWadworth" wrote in message
om...
Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam

Doesn't answer your questiion but a few years ago you could buy chain
mail clothes from www.kinel.co.uk.

The company appears to have disappeared, but not before their web site
was archived by the "wayback machine".

I have no idea whether they were stab proof, but the site was interesting
anyhow ;-) : http://tinyurl.com/6buws7 (very slow)

Make your own judgement.


Your tiny url shows a picture of a woman with no bra wearing a see through
dress.

Adam
.....made of chain mail.

Andy Hall wrote:

This in a way is what surprises me about this kind or armour - which
essentially covers the abdomen. If one really wanted to off somebody
quickly, the femoral artery area would be the place to aim for. I
believe that death can be in a very few minutes from a fully severed
artery. I was surprised at how quickly the circulation works. I'd
always thought that it was minutes, but found out during a recent CT
scan that it's seconds.

I remember the more bloodthirsty elements of my class at school were
asked where they wanted to go for a geography field trip. The consensus
was an abattoir. So it was duly arranged. The one image that struck me
particularly was how quickly the blood came out of a pig once its throat
was cut. It would have been no quicker if you simply inverted a bucket
of it! It took just a couple of seconds to basically drain porky of 90%
of his content when you lop through the jugular and carotid.

--
Cheers,

John.

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"Vortex3" wrote in message
...

"ARWadworth" wrote in message
om...

"Vortex3" wrote in message
...

"ARWadworth" wrote in message
om...
Not quite DIY but does anyone know of a better price than £300 for a
covert level IIA stab proof vest.

Adam

Doesn't answer your questiion but a few years ago you could buy chain
mail clothes from www.kinel.co.uk.

The company appears to have disappeared, but not before their web site
was archived by the "wayback machine".

I have no idea whether they were stab proof, but the site was
interesting anyhow ;-) : http://tinyurl.com/6buws7 (very slow)

Make your own judgement.


Your tiny url shows a picture of a woman with no bra wearing a see
through dress.

Adam
....made of chain mail.

Is she wearing a chastity belt?

Adam

Tim S wrote:
The Medway Handyman coughed up some electrons that declared:

Colin Wilson wrote:
how about £25, but not quite covert

http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/include...53&start=0&sea
rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=

Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler"
- could this be the armour that's missing ?

That looks like just the cover. Becky's stab vest came with a spare
cover in case ooh nasty stuff gets splattered on it.



It's a sad state of affairs when members of the fire brigade and
ambulance services need to worry about people trying to main them

Indeed. They can wear the vest whenever they want to, but some calls are
flagged 'vest mandatory' and some are flagged 'do not leave ambulance unless
police are on scene'. Vest is mandatory in certain post code areas.

Conflict management and Aikido are part of the basic training. They have
radio code words to secretly convey that they are in a possibly dangerous
situation.

All for a basic salary of £14K.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 2008-07-18 20:30:10 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Tim S wrote:
The Medway Handyman coughed up some electrons that declared:

Colin Wilson wrote:
how about £25, but not quite covert

http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/include...53&start=0&sea
rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=

Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler"
- could this be the armour that's missing ?

That looks like just the cover. Becky's stab vest came with a spare
cover in case ooh nasty stuff gets splattered on it.



It's a sad state of affairs when members of the fire brigade and
ambulance services need to worry about people trying to main them

Indeed. They can wear the vest whenever they want to, but some calls are
flagged 'vest mandatory' and some are flagged 'do not leave ambulance unless
police are on scene'. Vest is mandatory in certain post code areas.

SW1?


Conflict management and Aikido are part of the basic training. They have
radio code words to secretly convey that they are in a possibly dangerous
situation.

All for a basic salary of £14K.

..... and all up?

In article , The Medway
Handyman scribeth thus
Tim S wrote:
The Medway Handyman coughed up some electrons that declared:

Colin Wilson wrote:
how about £25, but not quite covert

http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/include...53&start=0&sea
rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=

Going by the description there, it says something about "no filler"
- could this be the armour that's missing ?

That looks like just the cover. Becky's stab vest came with a spare
cover in case ooh nasty stuff gets splattered on it.



It's a sad state of affairs when members of the fire brigade and
ambulance services need to worry about people trying to main them

Indeed. They can wear the vest whenever they want to, but some calls are
flagged 'vest mandatory' and some are flagged 'do not leave ambulance unless
police are on scene'. Vest is mandatory in certain post code areas.

Conflict management and Aikido are part of the basic training. They have
radio code words to secretly convey that they are in a possibly dangerous
situation.

All for a basic salary of £14K.



And from what I hear no shortage of applicants;!..
--
Tony Sayer

On 18 Jul, 12:13, mike wrote:
On Jul 17, 9:27 pm, "ARWadworth"
wrote:

today
he spent 20 minutes walking around his back garden while talking to himself
and saying he will kill That Dick (his nickname for me) and That Fat *******
(his nickname for his other next door neighbour).

Personally I do expect him to try to stab me at some point. Certain
officials are taking action against him and his wife for other behavioural
problems

Got this info from a member of the local Community Mental Health
Trust:

If you haven't already, you should definitely and immediately contact
the Police about the latest incident.

They should contact the relevant organization and also tell you of
anyone else you can contact.

If you already have a contact name at Social Services/Community Mental
Health Trust, you should also contact them. If not, get this info
from the Police or Google for it.

Threats like this are taken seriously, there are procedures to deal
with them and you shouldn't have to rely on buying yourself a stab-
proof jacket. It's good to leave a paper trail and also the more
information/incidents that are reported, the more likely there's a
critical mass of evidence to warrant intervention.

HTH.

If you have no joy from the police, get your local BBC news on the
case if he's wandering round with a knife. If you believe he's tooled-
up, dial 999 and say you believe you saw a gun. Then if he's such a
nut he won't drop the knife and the cops will trade shots
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4371071.stm Problem sorted!

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "dennis@home"
saying something like:

I could kill you with a 1" knife without touching the organs or an artery
and it would be instant.

But that would be illegal.
You bad man.
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-07-18 20:30:10 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
said:

Tim S wrote:
The Medway Handyman coughed up some electrons that declared:

Colin Wilson wrote:
how about £25, but not quite covert

http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/include...53&start=0&sea
rch_string=body+armour&search=Search&price_range=

Going by the description there, it says something about "no
filler" - could this be the armour that's missing ?

That looks like just the cover. Becky's stab vest came with a
spare cover in case ooh nasty stuff gets splattered on it.



It's a sad state of affairs when members of the fire brigade and
ambulance services need to worry about people trying to main them

Indeed. They can wear the vest whenever they want to, but some
calls are flagged 'vest mandatory' and some are flagged 'do not
leave ambulance unless police are on scene'. Vest is mandatory in
certain post code areas.

SW1?

More like SE1



Conflict management and Aikido are part of the basic training. They
have radio code words to secretly convey that they are in a possibly
dangerous situation.

All for a basic salary of £14K.

.... and all up?

With all the shift work & unsocial hours pay & overtime she about doubles
that.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk