http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/.../mfprius30.xml

Laugh? I split my epicyclic ring.


--

"Matt" wrote in message
...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/.../mfprius30.xml


Lord Hall, that was a load of bollox - what do expect from the Torygraph.
Mine does 55 to 60 mpg and the emissions in town is brill. To drive they are
a dream. Everything else after is agricultural.

Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/.../mfprius30.xml

Laugh? I split my epicyclic ring.



Very fair assessment.

Until and unless we stop using fossil fuel for transport, the only
'Green' car is no car...

On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:31:03 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Matt" wrote in message
.. .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/.../mfprius30.xml


Lord Hall, that was a load of bollox - what do expect from the Torygraph.
Mine does 55 to 60 mpg and the emissions in town is brill. To drive they are
a dream. Everything else after is agricultural.

"...the unbearable smugness of some Toyota Prius owners presents a
tempting target. Quick to point the finger at others, some use their
Prius as public proof of a caring and moral "lifestyle" and put the
moan into sanctimonious..."

"itsmeinnit" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:31:03 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Matt" wrote in message
. ..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/.../mfprius30.xml


Lord Hall, that was a load of bollox - what do expect from the Torygraph.
Mine does 55 to 60 mpg and the emissions in town is brill. To drive they
are
a dream. Everything else after is agricultural.

"...the unbearable smugness of some Toyota Prius owners presents a
tempting target. Quick to point the finger at others, some use their
Prius as public proof of a caring and moral "lifestyle" and put the
moan into sanctimonious..."

What a load of bollox - they are sneering socially responsible people too.
I got a Prius because it is superb to drive, silent most of the time and
seamless in progression with no gear steps, and economical to run in fuel,
service, and no congestion charge, great longevity (topped the JD Power
surveys in the US and the UK) and big inside too. When I get into other cars
it is like a flashback in time as they are so outdated inside.

Look at the city mpg figures for the Prius. As most are driven in cities
this is where they score highly in mpg and emissions.

The Prius is light years ahead of any crap agricultural manual gbox diesel
car - light years ahead in every respect. And they are getting better as
battery technology improves and a few plug-in/petrol versions may be on the
market too. No contest, Prius wins hands down as it is, and newer models in
the next few years will push them further ahead. It seems the oil companies
may slip the Torygraph the odd wedge. Some car mags pander to the
manufacturers who advertise, and are behind in hybrid technology and
products.

The hybrids are the current benchmark that others have to equal if not
better.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/.../mfprius30.xml

Laugh? I split my epicyclic ring.

Very fair assessment.

It wasn't at all.

On 2007-07-04 10:18:04 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"itsmeinnit" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:31:03 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Matt" wrote in message
...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/.../mfprius30.xml


Lord

Hall, that was a load of bollox - what do expect from the Torygraph.
Mine does 55 to 60 mpg and the emissions in town is brill. To drive they are
a dream. Everything else after is agricultural.

"...the unbearable smugness of some Toyota Prius owners presents a
tempting target. Quick to point the finger at others, some use their
Prius as public proof of a caring and moral "lifestyle" and put the
moan into sanctimonious..."

What a load of bollox - they are sneering socially responsible people
too. I got a Prius because it is superb to drive, silent most of the
time and seamless in progression with no gear steps, and economical to
run in fuel, service, and no congestion charge, great longevity (topped
the JD Power surveys in the US and the UK) and big inside too. When I
get into other cars it is like a flashback in time as they are so
outdated inside.


Yes, but you're gullible to marketing bumph. An ideal customer for
this product.

On 2007-07-04 10:18:55 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/.../mfprius30.xml

Laugh?

I split my epicyclic ring.

Very fair assessment.

It wasn't at all.

It was in the Telegraph, so it must be right.

On Jul 4, 12:54 am, Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...oring/2007/06/...

Laugh? I split my epicyclic ring.

--

Not that stupid dust to dust report. Of course if you include R&D
costs of new technology it is going to cost more. The point is that it
will eventually lower.

Accusing Prius drivers of being smug yet it's dicks like this
journalist and his ilk that seem so obsessed with the likes of Prius
drivers. Is it masturbatory material for them?

The Telegraph should stick to printing planted MI6 stories, their
speciality.

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-04 10:18:55 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/.../mfprius30.xml


Laugh?

I split my epicyclic ring.

Very fair assessment.

It wasn't at all.

It was in the Telegraph, so it must be right.


No, Drivel thinks its ********, so it must be right.

I never see Drivels posts..he is killfiled here.. Its always amusing to
get them second-hand though.

wrote:
On Jul 4, 12:54 am, Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...oring/2007/06/...

Laugh? I split my epicyclic ring.

--

Not that stupid dust to dust report. Of course if you include R&D
costs of new technology it is going to cost more. The point is that it
will eventually lower.

Accusing Prius drivers of being smug yet it's dicks like this
journalist and his ilk that seem so obsessed with the likes of Prius
drivers. Is it masturbatory material for them?


Prius owner are you?

The Telegraph should stick to printing planted MI6 stories, their
speciality.


Well at least they got into the thing, and drove it under some sort of
test conditions and compared it with an equivalent small turbodiesel,
and came up with an assessment that isn't entirely based on wishful
thinking.

Roll on BEV's though. And more nuclear power stations.

Prius is a total abortion really.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 2007-07-04 10:18:04 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"itsmeinnit" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:31:03 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Matt" wrote in message
...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/.../mfprius30.xml


Lord

Hall, that was a load of bollox - what do expect from the Torygraph.
Mine does 55 to 60 mpg and the emissions in town is brill. To drive
they are
a dream. Everything else after is agricultural.

"...the unbearable smugness of some Toyota Prius owners presents a
tempting target. Quick to point the finger at others, some use their
Prius as public proof of a caring and moral "lifestyle" and put the
moan into sanctimonious..."

What a load of bollox - they are sneering socially responsible people
too. I got a Prius because it is superb to drive, silent most of the time
and seamless in progression with no gear steps, and economical to run in
fuel, service, and no congestion charge, great longevity (topped the JD
Power surveys in the US and the UK) and big inside too. When I get into
other cars it is like a flashback in time as they are so outdated inside.


Yes, but you're gullible to marketing bumph.

I drive one. The best car on the market for all the reason I stated.
Briliant!!!!! If it was made by Makita would you buy one?

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/.../mfprius30.xml

Laugh? I split my epicyclic ring.

Very fair assessment.

It wasn't at all.

It looked fair to me...
They reported on the mpg they got while driving it the same as the other
cars.
The fact that some Prius owners get better mpg is meaningless in real terms.
I get 50+ mpg from my car and its not a hybrid and I do all my driving
around town.

If you look at the Prius it is obvious that it is designed to get the most
from the official test.. even the battery is designed to have just enough
capacity to complete the test.

Just buy a smaller car and actually save some emissions if you think you
have to help.

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 4, 12:54 am, Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...oring/2007/06/...

Laugh? I split my epicyclic ring.

--

Not that stupid dust to dust report. Of course if you include R&D
costs of new technology it is going to cost more. The point is that it
will eventually lower.

Accusing Prius drivers of being smug yet it's dicks like this
journalist and his ilk that seem so obsessed with the likes of Prius
drivers. Is it masturbatory material for them?

Read the comments below the article, of which many easily slag the article.

The Telegraph should stick to printing planted MI6 stories, their
speciality.

Or saying the Tory party is good for the UK.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-04 10:18:55 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/.../mfprius30.xml

Laugh?

I split my epicyclic ring.

Very fair assessment.

It wasn't at all.

It was in the Telegraph, so it must be right.


No, Drivel thinks its ********, so it must be right.

Exactly, you are learning oh snotty uni one.

In article ,
itsmeinnit wrote:
Lord Hall, that was a load of bollox - what do expect from the
Torygraph. Mine does 55 to 60 mpg and the emissions in town is brill.
To drive they are a dream. Everything else after is agricultural.

"...the unbearable smugness of some Toyota Prius owners presents a
tempting target. Quick to point the finger at others, some use their
Prius as public proof of a caring and moral "lifestyle" and put the
moan into sanctimonious..."

Dribble certainly has the attitude. All he needs now is the car...

--
*Cover me. I'm changing lanes.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
What a load of bollox - they are sneering socially responsible people
too. I got a Prius because it is superb to drive,

Which proves either:-

You've never driven one.
Never driven any other modern car.

--
*A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
What a load of bollox - they are sneering socially responsible people
too. I got a Prius because it is superb to drive,

Which

Please eff off as you are a worthless troll.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
itsmeinnit wrote:
Lord Hall, that was a load of bollox - what do expect from the
Torygraph. Mine does 55 to 60 mpg and the emissions in town is brill.
To drive they are a dream. Everything else after is agricultural.

"...the unbearable smugness of some Toyota Prius owners presents a
tempting target. Quick to point the finger at others, some use their
Prius as public proof of a caring and moral "lifestyle" and put the
moan into sanctimonious..."



Please eff off as you are a worthless troll.

On Jul 4, 10:56 am, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 4, 12:54 am, Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...oring/2007/06/...

Laugh? I split my epicyclic ring.

--

Not that stupid dust to dust report. Of course if you include R&D
costs of new technology it is going to cost more. The point is that it
will eventually lower.

Accusing Prius drivers of being smug yet it's dicks like this
journalist and his ilk that seem so obsessed with the likes of Prius
drivers. Is it masturbatory material for them?

Prius owner are you?

No, I'm not.


The Telegraph should stick to printing planted MI6 stories, their
speciality.

Well at least they got into the thing, and drove it under some sort of
test conditions and compared it with an equivalent small turbodiesel,
and came up with an assessment that isn't entirely based on wishful
thinking.

Which means nothing considering their obvious biased agenda. I don't
need to get into it to know the 'dust to dust' report is skewed.

On 2007-07-04 10:59:44 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

I drive one. The best car on the market for all the reason I stated.
Briliant!!!!! If it was made by Makita would you buy one?

Does it have a Makita motor or a TTI Ryobi one?

Impulse drive?

Is there a hacksaw in the toolkit just in case?

On 2007-07-04 11:08:08 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
said:

In article ,
itsmeinnit wrote:
Lord Hall, that was a load of bollox - what do expect from the
Torygraph. Mine does 55 to 60 mpg and the emissions in town is brill.
To drive they are a dream. Everything else after is agricultural.

"...the unbearable smugness of some Toyota Prius owners presents a
tempting target. Quick to point the finger at others, some use their
Prius as public proof of a caring and moral "lifestyle" and put the
moan into sanctimonious..."

Dribble certainly has the attitude. All he needs now is the car...

I saw a picture of Ken Livingstone sitting in one.

I couldn't finish my breakfast.

On 2007-07-04 11:01:48 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 4, 12:54 am, Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...oring/2007/06/...

Laugh? I split my epicyclic ring.

--

Not that stupid dust to dust report. Of course if you include R&D
costs of new technology it is going to cost more. The point is that it
will eventually lower.

Accusing Prius drivers of being smug yet it's dicks like this
journalist and his ilk that seem so obsessed with the likes of Prius
drivers. Is it masturbatory material for them?

Read the comments below the article, of which many easily slag the article.

The Telegraph should stick to printing planted MI6 stories, their
speciality.

Or saying the Tory party is good for the UK.

Based on what we have now, it is.

On 2007-07-04 10:56:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher said:

wrote:
On Jul 4, 12:54 am, Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...oring/2007/06/...

Laugh? I split my epicyclic ring.

--

Not that stupid dust to dust report. Of course if you include R&D
costs of new technology it is going to cost more. The point is that it
will eventually lower.

Accusing Prius drivers of being smug yet it's dicks like this
journalist and his ilk that seem so obsessed with the likes of Prius
drivers. Is it masturbatory material for them?


Prius owner are you?

The Telegraph should stick to printing planted MI6 stories, their
speciality.


Well at least they got into the thing, and drove it under some sort of
test conditions and compared it with an equivalent small turbodiesel,
and came up with an assessment that isn't entirely based on wishful
thinking.

Roll on BEV's though. And more nuclear power stations.

Prius is a total abortion really.

What's a BEV?

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 2007-07-04 10:59:44 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

I drive one. The best car on the market for all the reason I stated.
Briliant!!!!! If it was made by Makita would you buy one?

Does it have a Makita motor or a TTI Ryobi one?

Johnson Motor?

Impulse drive?

No electric

Is there a hacksaw in the toolkit just in case?

Yes, to cut the main cable and wire up the seat making an electric chair for
Little Middle Englanders.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 2007-07-04 11:08:08 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
said:

In article ,
itsmeinnit wrote:
Lord Hall, that was a load of bollox - what do expect from the
Torygraph. Mine does 55 to 60 mpg and the emissions in town is brill.
To drive they are a dream. Everything else after is agricultural.

"...the unbearable smugness of some Toyota Prius owners presents a
tempting target. Quick to point the finger at others, some use their
Prius as public proof of a caring and moral "lifestyle" and put the
moan into sanctimonious..."

Dribble certainly has the attitude. All he needs now is the car...

I saw a picture of Ken Livingstone sitting in one.

I couldn't finish my breakfast.

I know what you mean he is awe inspiring.

"Owain" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:
... Mine does 55 to 60 mpg and the emissions in town is brill.

"yours" is a 50cc moped and your boss confiscated it after that
unfortunate incident with a nun on a bicycle and an urgent delivery of
fluorescent tubes.

You ate obviously a dumb Jocko.

To drive they are a dream.

You driving? You are dreaming.

They are a dream to drive, that is true.

Everything else after is agricultural.

Agricultural would be a bit too high tech for you, especially as it
involved reproduction and the nearest you've got or ever will get to that
is mucky thoughts over the models in Readers' Old Boilers.

These model? Do they have no clothes on sitting on the boilers?

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 2007-07-04 11:01:48 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 4, 12:54 am, Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...oring/2007/06/...

Laugh? I split my epicyclic ring.

--

Not that stupid dust to dust report. Of course if you include R&D
costs of new technology it is going to cost more. The point is that it
will eventually lower.

Accusing Prius drivers of being smug yet it's dicks like this
journalist and his ilk that seem so obsessed with the likes of Prius
drivers. Is it masturbatory material for them?

Read the comments below the article, of which many easily slag the
article.

The Telegraph should stick to printing planted MI6 stories, their
speciality.

Or saying the Tory party is good for the UK.

Based on what we have now, it is.

See!!! You have been reading the Torygraph!!!!! To all others, this is what
happens. Please avoid this rag or you end up like Matt here. sad but true.

On 4 Jul, 11:55, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message

...



On 2007-07-04 11:01:48 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

wrote in message
roups.com...
On Jul 4, 12:54 am, Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...oring/2007/06/...

Laugh? I split my epicyclic ring.

--

Not that stupid dust to dust report. Of course if you include R&D
costs of new technology it is going to cost more. The point is that it
will eventually lower.

Accusing Prius drivers of being smug yet it's dicks like this
journalist and his ilk that seem so obsessed with the likes of Prius
drivers. Is it masturbatory material for them?

Read the comments below the article, of which many easily slag the
article.

The Telegraph should stick to printing planted MI6 stories, their
speciality.

Or saying the Tory party is good for the UK.

Based on what we have now, it is.

See!!! You have been reading the Torygraph!!!!! To all others, this is what
happens. Please avoid this rag or you end up like Matt here. sad but true.


Forget the prius for a moment (although for sake of argument I'm
convinced lifetime energy balance is bad compared to modern diesel),
I'm more interested in the concept of a hybrid SUV. What's that all
about? They must be mad! on what planet can that be green.

Come on prius owners/drivers/idiots (I used a thesaurus - apparently
it's tautology) tell me about Toyota's green credentials on that one!

Fash

Fash wrote:
On 4 Jul, 11:55, "Doctor Drivel" wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message

...



On 2007-07-04 11:01:48 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:
wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 4, 12:54 am, Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...oring/2007/06/...
Laugh? I split my epicyclic ring.
--
Not that stupid dust to dust report. Of course if you include R&D
costs of new technology it is going to cost more. The point is that it
will eventually lower.
Accusing Prius drivers of being smug yet it's dicks like this
journalist and his ilk that seem so obsessed with the likes of Prius
drivers. Is it masturbatory material for them?
Read the comments below the article, of which many easily slag the
article.
The Telegraph should stick to printing planted MI6 stories, their
speciality.
Or saying the Tory party is good for the UK.
Based on what we have now, it is.
See!!! You have been reading the Torygraph!!!!! To all others, this is what
happens. Please avoid this rag or you end up like Matt here. sad but true.


Forget the prius for a moment (although for sake of argument I'm
convinced lifetime energy balance is bad compared to modern diesel),
I'm more interested in the concept of a hybrid SUV. What's that all
about? They must be mad! on what planet can that be green.


The one where you use it to haul firewood out of the boggy woods?

Come on prius owners/drivers/idiots (I used a thesaurus - apparently
it's tautology) tell me about Toyota's green credentials on that one!


Well..no comment.

Fash

More angst than Miele v Zanussi!
or
Henry v Dyson.

Total environmental impact needs to be brought more to the fore. The article
does that - lots of nickel mined for the batteries - will 100% of it get
recycled? Noxious chemical maybe - creating pollution at point of
manufacture?

Similar arguments against wind turbines - look good - but what about the
materials used in manufacture and siting them.

Ah well - must go to the tip with my perfectly good 28inch CRT TV as I
should replace it with a LCD that might used a few less watts. That will be
good for the environment.


--


--
John

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 4, 12:54 am, Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...oring/2007/06/...

Laugh? I split my epicyclic ring.

--

Not that stupid dust to dust report. Of course if you include R&D
costs of new technology it is going to cost more. The point is that it
will eventually lower.

It doesn't include research and engineering but it does include
manufacturing which is relevant /if/ you want to lower CO2.


Accusing Prius drivers of being smug yet it's dicks like this
journalist and his ilk that seem so obsessed with the likes of Prius
drivers. Is it masturbatory material for them?

Buying a car that uses more fuel is not saving CO2.
If you like the car fine.. but don't claim you (as in Prius drivers) are
helping the environment when it is obviously untrue.
The same is true for electric cars and hydrogen powered cars.. they don't
actually help to reduce CO2 only the pollution on the road.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

Roll on BEV's though. And more nuclear power stations.

Prius is a total abortion really.

What's a BEV?



Battery powered.. fine (for CO2) as long as the power comes from a renewable
or nuclear source.
Then the carbon foot print is only the manufacturing, maintenance and road
building costs.
The dust to dust report didn't include anything for roads IIRC.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
reenews.net...

Or saying the Tory party is good for the UK.

Its not been too bad for the last 10 years, now Brown is the leader things
may change.. who knows it may even become the Labour party.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 4, 12:54 am, Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...oring/2007/06/...

Laugh? I split my epicyclic ring.

--

Not that stupid dust to dust report. Of course if you include R&D
costs of new technology it is going to cost more. The point is that it
will eventually lower.

It doesn't include research and engineering but it does include
manufacturing which is relevant /if/ you want to lower CO2.


Accusing Prius drivers of being smug yet it's dicks like this
journalist and his ilk that seem so obsessed with the likes of Prius
drivers. Is it masturbatory material for them?

Buying a car that uses more fuel is not saving CO2.
If you like the car fine.. but don't claim you (as in Prius drivers) are
helping the environment when it is obviously untrue.

That is tripe. Kerbside emissions are lethal. Pollution in cities has to
be reduced drasically as more lungs are exposed. The Prius engine is off
when standing still at lights or crawling in traffic (well most of the time,
as it may come in occassionally to re-charge). Brake regen assists greatly
too.

The Prius in town traffic is a very clean car indeed.

The same is true for electric cars and hydrogen powered cars.. they don't
actually help to reduce CO2 only the pollution on the road.

They do. They reduce it where it matters - next to people an their lungs.
Once production is up and running the overall CO2 of these vehicles will
drop like a stone. Saying there is no alternative and we must keep going on
with antiquated crap like diesel engines in cars, is just downright
ignorant.

In a normal vehicle, 75% of the energy in the fuel tank is wasted.

dennis@home wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 4, 12:54 am, Matt wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...oring/2007/06/...

Laugh? I split my epicyclic ring.

--
Not that stupid dust to dust report. Of course if you include R&D
costs of new technology it is going to cost more. The point is that it
will eventually lower.

It doesn't include research and engineering but it does include
manufacturing which is relevant /if/ you want to lower CO2.

Accusing Prius drivers of being smug yet it's dicks like this
journalist and his ilk that seem so obsessed with the likes of Prius
drivers. Is it masturbatory material for them?

Buying a car that uses more fuel is not saving CO2.
If you like the car fine.. but don't claim you (as in Prius drivers) are
helping the environment when it is obviously untrue.
The same is true for electric cars and hydrogen powered cars.. they don't
actually help to reduce CO2 only the pollution on the road.



Until and unless the electricity is non fossil generated..you CAN choose
nuclear or wind electric as a supplier..

In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
If you look at the Prius it is obvious that it is designed to get the
most from the official test.. even the battery is designed to have just
enough capacity to complete the test.

The telling one was Autocar getting only 22 mpg over some 500 miles
including performance testing. Of course not many drive a vehicle that
hard, but even so it makes interesting comparison with other vehicles of
similar size and performance driven in the same way. All of which beat it.

Prius owners seem to quote an MPG figure based on really trying hard to
save fuel. Then use normally driven vehicles as a comparison.

Real world driving - where the two vehicles are driven the same - show the
Prius to be actually rather mediocre mpg wise - except for in heavy town
traffic. But if it *is* only meant as a town car is poorly designed for
that purpose in many other ways.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article .com,
wrote:
Prius owner are you?

No, I'm not.


The Telegraph should stick to printing planted MI6 stories, their
speciality.

Well at least they got into the thing, and drove it under some sort of
test conditions and compared it with an equivalent small turbodiesel,
and came up with an assessment that isn't entirely based on wishful
thinking.

Which means nothing considering their obvious biased agenda. I don't
need to get into it to know the 'dust to dust' report is skewed.

If you're not an owner have you driven one and read reliable test reports?
Magazines as far apart as Autocar and Which have criticised the
unrealistic running cost claims. Unfortunately since they're based on
official government figures it's not possible to prosecute under the
misleading advertising laws.

But if you're not an owner, why are you so keen on defending the idea?

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In article .com,
Fash wrote:
Forget the prius for a moment (although for sake of argument I'm
convinced lifetime energy balance is bad compared to modern diesel),
I'm more interested in the concept of a hybrid SUV. What's that all
about? They must be mad! on what planet can that be green.

And they are exempt from the congestion charge - despite producing far
more CO than many a small car.

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In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
convinced lifetime energy balance is bad compared to modern diesel),
I'm more interested in the concept of a hybrid SUV. What's that all
about? They must be mad! on what planet can that be green.


The one where you use it to haul firewood out of the boggy woods?

Heh heh. The Lexus SUV hybrid can't be used off road or to tow. It's a
pure Chelsea Tractor.

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