All

I had a pipe sticking out of my lawn at the back of my garden just
near my stone wall. It's about 5ft in height and I think it used to
feed an outdoor toilet or something. Anyway I was cutting the lawn
earlier and managed to knock it and soon after saw water coming out of
the grass!!! I had always thought it would of been disconnected. I
turned off the mains outside and dug around the pipe and found a
corroded tap buried and a split in the pipe.

The problem I have is that the pipe is an old lead one and it is 21mm
in diameter it also has thick walls of about 3mm. I tried to put a
22mm end stop on it which held for a while with some PTFE tape but the
pressure build up caused it to blow off the end quite spectacularly.
At the moment I have a great water feature but I need some help
stopping it!

Can anyone identify this kind of pipe and where I can get an end stop
for it from?

Good job I'm not on a water meter!

Cheers

Richard

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:27:08 UTC, Richard wrote:

The problem I have is that the pipe is an old lead one and it is 21mm
in diameter it also has thick walls of about 3mm. I tried to put a
22mm end stop on it which held for a while with some PTFE tape but the
pressure build up caused it to blow off the end quite spectacularly.
At the moment I have a great water feature but I need some help
stopping it!

Can anyone identify this kind of pipe and where I can get an end stop
for it from?

Quick fix...go to the plumbers merchant, tell them the size of the pipe,
and ask for a Johnson coupling. This fits a range of sizes (within
limits) and you can put a bit of end-stopped 22mm copper in the other
end.

Advantage is that you need nothing but grips and a spanner, so it can be
done while water is flowing.

(it's basically a tube with threaded ends, with caps with a hole in. And
two tapered rubber sleeves that go over the pipe and fit tapered
cavities in the end of the tube). Vaguely like the things you get on
plastic waste pipes but much beefier and with a much deeper taper. Ideal
for unidentified lead!

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On 18 Apr, 20:36, "Bob Eager" wrote:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:27:08 UTC, Richard wrote:
The problem I have is that the pipe is an old lead one and it is 21mm
in diameter it also has thick walls of about 3mm. I tried to put a
22mm end stop on it which held for a while with some PTFE tape but the
pressure build up caused it to blow off the end quite spectacularly.
At the moment I have a great water feature but I need some help
stopping it!

Can anyone identify this kind of pipe and where I can get an end stop
for it from?

Quick fix...go to the plumbers merchant, tell them the size of the pipe,
and ask for a Johnson coupling. This fits a range of sizes (within
limits) and you can put a bit of end-stopped 22mm copper in the other
end.

Advantage is that you need nothing but grips and a spanner, so it can be
done while water is flowing.

(it's basically a tube with threaded ends, with caps with a hole in. And
two tapered rubber sleeves that go over the pipe and fit tapered
cavities in the end of the tube). Vaguely like the things you get on
plastic waste pipes but much beefier and with a much deeper taper. Ideal
for unidentified lead!

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Nice one Bob, I will take a trip to Grahams in the morning. Thanks
very much

Richard

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All

I had a pipe sticking out of my lawn at the back of my garden just
near my stone wall. It's about 5ft in height and I think it used to
feed an outdoor toilet or something. Anyway I was cutting the lawn
earlier and managed to knock it and soon after saw water coming out of
the grass!!! I had always thought it would of been disconnected. I
turned off the mains outside and dug around the pipe and found a
corroded tap buried and a split in the pipe.

The problem I have is that the pipe is an old lead one and it is 21mm
in diameter it also has thick walls of about 3mm. I tried to put a
22mm end stop on it which held for a while with some PTFE tape but the
pressure build up caused it to blow off the end quite spectacularly.
At the moment I have a great water feature but I need some help
stopping it!

Can anyone identify this kind of pipe and where I can get an end stop
for it from?

Good job I'm not on a water meter!

Cheers

Richard
In my youth I was taught how to solder lead and AFAIK the crucial thing is
to get the correct grade of solder - low melting point. I don't think doing
in a hole on the garden is a good place to start to learn.
A quick search finds "Talbot Grippa is a universal fitting that connects
onto a wide variety of existing lead, galvanised iron and copper pipe with
just one set of internal components. The range consists of three fittings
which together suit all metal pipes with an outside diameter of 15mm (3/8")
to 34mm (3/4") including the different weights of lead pipe " see
http://www.tycowaterworks.co.uk/talb...226&Dept_ID=61 .

If their claims of its simplicity are true then it looks like a stop end or
new garden tap can be installed with little effort. I presume there is no
trace of the start of this pipe in your house - where I'd want to isolate
it.

PeterK

Richard wrote:
All

I had a pipe sticking out of my lawn at the back of my garden just
near my stone wall. It's about 5ft in height and I think it used to
feed an outdoor toilet or something. Anyway I was cutting the lawn
earlier and managed to knock it and soon after saw water coming out of
the grass!!! I had always thought it would of been disconnected. I
turned off the mains outside and dug around the pipe and found a
corroded tap buried and a split in the pipe.

The problem I have is that the pipe is an old lead one and it is 21mm
in diameter it also has thick walls of about 3mm. I tried to put a
22mm end stop on it which held for a while with some PTFE tape but the
pressure build up caused it to blow off the end quite spectacularly.
At the moment I have a great water feature but I need some help
stopping it!

Can anyone identify this kind of pipe and where I can get an end stop
for it from?

Good job I'm not on a water meter!

Cheers

Richard

Bend it over for now and **** it with a big hammer, it may stop it
completely if you're lucky, but it will definately slow it down so that you
won't be working in a swamp tomorrow.

"Richard" wrote in message
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All

I had a pipe sticking out of my lawn at the back of my garden just
near my stone wall. It's about 5ft in height and I think it used to
feed an outdoor toilet or something. Anyway I was cutting the lawn
earlier and managed to knock it and soon after saw water coming out of
the grass!!! I had always thought it would of been disconnected. I
turned off the mains outside and dug around the pipe and found a
corroded tap buried and a split in the pipe.

The problem I have is that the pipe is an old lead one and it is 21mm
in diameter it also has thick walls of about 3mm. I tried to put a
22mm end stop on it which held for a while with some PTFE tape but the
pressure build up caused it to blow off the end quite spectacularly.
At the moment I have a great water feature but I need some help
stopping it!

Big hammer and something to use as an anvil - a big flat stone or a large
block of wood will do. Flatten the pipe really well over about a foot. Fold
it back on itself about 3" and hammer flat again. Fold that tightly around
the end and hammer flat again. Finally fold again around the first bend and
hammer flat once more. That held a water pipe in our kitchen in London for
at least ten years. Don't know if it failed after we left, but ten years
isn't bad for a temporary fix.

Colin Bignell

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All

I had a pipe sticking out of my lawn at the back of my garden just
near my stone wall. It's about 5ft in height and I think it used to
feed an outdoor toilet or something. Anyway I was cutting the lawn
earlier and managed to knock it and soon after saw water coming out of
the grass!!! I had always thought it would of been disconnected. I
turned off the mains outside and dug around the pipe and found a
corroded tap buried and a split in the pipe.

The problem I have is that the pipe is an old lead one and it is 21mm
in diameter it also has thick walls of about 3mm. I tried to put a
22mm end stop on it which held for a while with some PTFE tape but the
pressure build up caused it to blow off the end quite spectacularly.
At the moment I have a great water feature but I need some help
stopping it!

Big hammer and something to use as an anvil - a big flat stone or a large
block of wood will do. Flatten the pipe really well over about a foot. Fold
it back on itself about 3" and hammer flat again. Fold that tightly around
the end and hammer flat again. Finally fold again around the first bend and
hammer flat once more. That held a water pipe in our kitchen in London for
at least ten years. Don't know if it failed after we left, but ten years
isn't bad for a temporary fix.

Colin Bignell- Hide quoted text -

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if they ever do fit a meter it might be worth checking whether it
comes off the main upstream or downstream of the meter.


Robert

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:27:08 UTC, Richard wrote:

The problem I have is that the pipe is an old lead one and it is 21mm
in diameter it also has thick walls of about 3mm. I tried to put a
22mm end stop on it which held for a while with some PTFE tape but the
pressure build up caused it to blow off the end quite spectacularly.
At the moment I have a great water feature but I need some help
stopping it!

Can anyone identify this kind of pipe and where I can get an end stop
for it from?

Quick fix...go to the plumbers merchant, tell them the size of the pipe,
and ask for a Johnson coupling. This fits a range of sizes (within
limits) and you can put a bit of end-stopped 22mm copper in the other
end.



Even quicker fix ... flatten end of lead pipe with hammer, bend it over and
flatten again .... used to be fairly common way of temp stopping off lead
pipes.
When I learnt my lead jointing ... an accepted permanent fix was to solder
an old penny across the end of the pipe , piece of moleskin, some tallow,
blowlamp and plumbers solder.
..... but namby pamby plumbers of today probably have a quick fit plastic
thingy to do the job at 20 times the price !

If I were wanting to do it now .. I'd bell the end of the pipe to flare it
open a bit, tap in a piece of 22mm copper do a quick neat copper to lead
joint .. the flare will help form a cup for the solder, wipe it smooth.
Then stop off or put a tap or whatever on the copper end.

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:18:38 UTC, "Rick Hughes"
wrote:


"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:27:08 UTC, Richard wrote:

The problem I have is that the pipe is an old lead one and it is 21mm
in diameter it also has thick walls of about 3mm. I tried to put a
22mm end stop on it which held for a while with some PTFE tape but the
pressure build up caused it to blow off the end quite spectacularly.
At the moment I have a great water feature but I need some help
stopping it!

Can anyone identify this kind of pipe and where I can get an end stop
for it from?

Quick fix...go to the plumbers merchant, tell them the size of the pipe,
and ask for a Johnson coupling. This fits a range of sizes (within
limits) and you can put a bit of end-stopped 22mm copper in the other
end.

Even quicker fix ... flatten end of lead pipe with hammer, bend it over and
flatten again .... used to be fairly common way of temp stopping off lead
pipes.

I only mentioned that because someone else had tried that solution and
failed....!

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In article , Rick Hughes
writes

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:27:08 UTC, Richard wrote:

The problem I have is that the pipe is an old lead one and it is 21mm
in diameter it also has thick walls of about 3mm. I tried to put a
22mm end stop on it which held for a while with some PTFE tape but the
pressure build up caused it to blow off the end quite spectacularly.
At the moment I have a great water feature but I need some help
stopping it!

Can anyone identify this kind of pipe and where I can get an end stop
for it from?

Quick fix...go to the plumbers merchant, tell them the size of the pipe,
and ask for a Johnson coupling. This fits a range of sizes (within
limits) and you can put a bit of end-stopped 22mm copper in the other
end.



Even quicker fix ... flatten end of lead pipe with hammer, bend it over and
flatten again .... used to be fairly common way of temp stopping off lead
pipes.
When I learnt my lead jointing ... an accepted permanent fix was to solder
an old penny across the end of the pipe , piece of moleskin, some tallow,
blowlamp and plumbers solder.
.... but namby pamby plumbers of today probably have a quick fit plastic
thingy to do the job at 20 times the price !

Well some 20 years ago when I was desperate to cap off a 22 mm tee
junction I found that a pound coin was a very good fit and a few weeks
ago I had to alter that pipe work and removed the coin and cleaned it up
and its still usable!...


If I were wanting to do it now .. I'd bell the end of the pipe to flare it
open a bit, tap in a piece of 22mm copper do a quick neat copper to lead
joint .. the flare will help form a cup for the solder, wipe it smooth.
Then stop off or put a tap or whatever on the copper end.





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On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:30:28 +0100, tony sayer wrote:

Well some 20 years ago when I was desperate to cap off a 22 mm tee
junction I found that a pound coin was a very good fit and a few weeks
ago I had to alter that pipe work and removed the coin and cleaned it up
and its still usable!...

Yeah but it's not worth now as much as it was then.

:-)