Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a fuss
about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

We'll see how he likes it when I stone-clad the front and put a
satellite dish up. Then I'm going to add a third storey.

--
Window

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:26:15 +0000, Window wrote:

Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a fuss
about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

We'll see how he likes it when I stone-clad the front and put a
satellite dish up. Then I'm going to add a third storey.

I was under the impression that ALL replacement windows were now subject to
planning rules. Is that not right ?

Andy

Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a fuss
about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

I think you have a case against your solicitor who failed to inform you that
you lived in a conservation area and what it entailed. Try uk.legal.

Christian.

"Andy Cap" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:26:15 +0000, Window wrote:

Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a fuss
about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

We'll see how he likes it when I stone-clad the front and put a
satellite dish up. Then I'm going to add a third storey.

I was under the impression that ALL replacement windows were now subject
to
planning rules. Is that not right ?

Andy

Not sure its so much planning as regulations about their insulation
efficiency.

Planning would not be a bad thing though; I have seen whole streets ruined
by replacement windows. No doubt the aluminium ones that were all the rage
in the 70s were once thought of as smart; now they drastically reduce the
value of the house. I would imagine that inappropriate windows in a
conservation area would do much the same. People who buy a house in a
conservation area are usually enthusiastic about keeping beautiful buildings
as original as possible. If that requires the removal of inappropriate
windows, stone cladding and satellite dishes then that will be reflected in
the price they offer.

If intending to do work on a building in a conservation area it is generally
best to consult the council. They are likely to insist on higher quality,
and thus more expensive work, but it pays off in the long run.

Davy

Window wrote:
Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a fuss
about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

We'll see how he likes it when I stone-clad the front and put a
satellite dish up. Then I'm going to add a third storey.

pmsl.

Go on put a scrap car up the garden.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a fuss
about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

I think you have a case against your solicitor who failed to inform you
that you lived in a conservation area and what it entailed. Try uk.legal.

Oh, and I've got some perfectly sound sash windows that I've reclaimed from
a skip. Yours for only a grand, if you want them. I suspect they will fit
perfectly.

Christian.

"Window" wrote in message
...
Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a fuss
about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

Being in conflict with the council would be a big big problem if you tried
to sell the house.

john2

Being in conflict with the council would be a big big problem if you tried
to sell the house.

I doubt it. A plastic windowed house in a conservation area is likely to
sell to someone who doesn't mind doing up a house. They won't be concerned
with historic issues with the council, especially as the likely result is
just being told to replace the manky windows that they would like to replace
anyway.

Christian.

"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
.. .
Being in conflict with the council would be a big big problem if you
tried to sell the house.

I doubt it. A plastic windowed house in a conservation area is likely to
sell to someone who doesn't mind doing up a house. They won't be concerned
with historic issues with the council, especially as the likely result is
just being told to replace the manky windows that they would like to
replace anyway.

Christian.

I rather think that you've all missed the point - I may well be wrong but I
suspect that this posting by "Window" may be a tongue-in-cheek reply to the
posting made yesterday by some nosy busybody called Martin Pentreath with
the subject line "Replacement Windows in breach of conservation area rules"

John.

I rather think that you've all missed the point - I may well be wrong but
I suspect that this posting by "Window" may be a tongue-in-cheek reply to
the posting made yesterday by some nosy busybody called Martin Pentreath
with the subject line "Replacement Windows in breach of conservation area
rules"

Yes, that much was obvious! Perhaps I'm just a little too subtle for your
taste!

Christian.

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:06:12 +0000, Andy Cap
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:26:15 +0000, Window wrote:

Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a fuss
about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

We'll see how he likes it when I stone-clad the front and put a
satellite dish up. Then I'm going to add a third storey.

I was under the impression that ALL replacement windows were now subject to
planning rules. Is that not right ?

A few months ago I popped back down south to see my brother and drove
around the council estate where I used to live. I had painstakingly
restored my Crittalls windows, taking all the old paint off, replacing
the wooden window frames on two windows. It took weeks to go round the
whole house. All because I don't like seeing modern plastic windows in
an old house. As I drove past "my" old house I saw that all my work
was for nothing. The new owner had ripped out the metal windows and
installed horrid white plastic ones, totally not in keeping with the
house style.

Okay, so I may have had somewhat higher heating bills in winter, and
there was a problem with condensation in cold weather, but I didn't
care. Those metal windows would have lasted a further 100 years, and
indeed, I believe there are now double-glazed glass inserts for them.

MM

On Nov 9, 4:00 pm, "John" wrote:
"Christian McArdle" wrote in u.net...

Being in conflict with the council would be a big big problem if you
tried to sell the house.

I doubt it. A plastic windowed house in a conservation area is likely to
sell to someone who doesn't mind doing up a house. They won't be concerned
with historic issues with the council, especially as the likely result is
just being told to replace the manky windows that they would like to
replace anyway.

Christian.

I rather think that you've all missed the point - I may well be wrong but I
suspect that this posting by "Window" may be a tongue-in-cheek reply to the
posting made yesterday by some nosy busybody called Martin Pentreath with
the subject line "Replacement Windows in breach of conservation area rules"

No! You don't say! Well, I'm shocked! Who would do a thing like that?

MBQ

As I drove past "my" old house I saw that all my work was for
nothing. The new owner had ripped out the metal windows and
installed horrid white plastic ones, totally not in keeping with the
house style.

*******s!

Okay, so I may have had somewhat higher heating bills in winter, and
there was a problem with condensation in cold weather, but I didn't
care. Those metal windows would have lasted a further 100 years, and
indeed, I believe there are now double-glazed glass inserts for them.

Indeed. The availability of double glazed Crittalls is a life saver for the
millions of at-risk 1930s windows out there. That 1930s look relies so much
on those slender metal frames. To replace them with horrid plastic just
shows how some people have no appreciation for architecture whatsoever
beyond just being a cheap shelter from the elements.

Christian.

On Nov 9, 3:40 pm, "The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote:
Window wrote:
Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a fuss
about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

We'll see how he likes it when I stone-clad the front and put a
satellite dish up. Then I'm going to add a third storey.

pmsl.

Go on put a scrap car up the garden.

And a couple of Dobermans.

Get the kids to park on the street outside other peoples houses.

MBQ

Window wrote:
Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a fuss
about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

We'll see how he likes it when I stone-clad the front and put a
satellite dish up. Then I'm going to add a third storey.

LOL

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:26:15 +0000, Window wrote:

Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a fuss
about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

We'll see how he likes it when I stone-clad the front and put a
satellite dish up. Then I'm going to add a third storey.

Nice one. 10/10

It also went Whoosh over most heads in here so........ an extra 10/10.
)

It also went Whoosh over most heads in here so........ an extra 10/10.
)

Er. No it didn't.

Christian.

The message
from Window contains these words:

I'll de-fenestrate him.

This is /uk/.d-i-y - you want /Prague/.d-i-y

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

The message
from Andy Cap contains these words:

I was under the impression that ALL replacement windows were now subject to
planning rules. Is that not right ?

Only if they catch you at it.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

wrote in message
oups.com...


On Nov 9, 3:40 pm, "The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote:
Window wrote:
Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a fuss
about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

We'll see how he likes it when I stone-clad the front and put a
satellite dish up. Then I'm going to add a third storey.

pmsl.

Go on put a scrap car up the garden.

And a couple of Dobermans.

Get the kids to park on the street outside other peoples houses.

That's not good enough, they have to park across other people's drives,
especially if there's a car in the drive.

Mary

MBQ

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:21:24 GMT, EricP wrote:

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:26:15 +0000, Window wrote:

Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a fuss
about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

We'll see how he likes it when I stone-clad the front and put a
satellite dish up. Then I'm going to add a third storey.

Nice one. 10/10

It also went Whoosh over most heads in here so........ an extra 10/10.
)

Some of us have a life outside NG's and don't have the time to wade through
every thread posted in every interest group. Nice one though, all the same !

Andy

John wrote:

I rather think that you've all missed the point - I may well be wrong but I
suspect that this posting by "Window" may be a tongue-in-cheek reply to the
posting made yesterday by some nosy busybody called Martin Pentreath with
the subject line "Replacement Windows in breach of conservation area rules"

I just can't keep up. Christian's reply did make me laugh though ;-)
You'd have to read the other thread to appreciate it fully.

Cheers,

Martin Pentreath

Christian McArdle wrote:
As I drove past "my" old house I saw that all my work was for
nothing. The new owner had ripped out the metal windows and
installed horrid white plastic ones, totally not in keeping with the
house style.

*******s!

Okay, so I may have had somewhat higher heating bills in winter, and
there was a problem with condensation in cold weather, but I didn't
care. Those metal windows would have lasted a further 100 years, and
indeed, I believe there are now double-glazed glass inserts for them.

Indeed. The availability of double glazed Crittalls is a life saver for the
millions of at-risk 1930s windows out there. That 1930s look relies so much
on those slender metal frames. To replace them with horrid plastic just
shows how some people have no appreciation for architecture whatsoever
beyond just being a cheap shelter from the elements.


Which is of course exactly what they said about Crittall windows when
they first came out.

AWFUL things. Cold and draughty.

Christian.

On 2006-11-09 18:04:22 +0000, Guy King said:

The message
from Window contains these words:

I'll de-fenestrate him.

This is /uk/.d-i-y - you want /Prague/.d-i-y

It's not that well hidden to justify a dot in front of the name...

MM wrote:
Okay, so I may have had somewhat higher heating bills in winter, and
there was a problem with condensation in cold weather, but I didn't
care. Those metal windows would have lasted a further 100 years, and
indeed, I believe there are now double-glazed glass inserts for them.

Don't have any details do you? Just what I'm looking for.


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

In message , Window
writes
Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a fuss
about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

We'll see how he likes it when I stone-clad the front and put a
satellite dish up. Then I'm going to add a third storey.

Plastic gnomes and a big **** off Xmas santa is what you need

--
geoff

In message , John
writes

"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
. ..
Being in conflict with the council would be a big big problem if you
tried to sell the house.

I doubt it. A plastic windowed house in a conservation area is likely to
sell to someone who doesn't mind doing up a house. They won't be concerned
with historic issues with the council, especially as the likely result is
just being told to replace the manky windows that they would like to
replace anyway.

Christian.

I rather think that you've all missed the point - I may well be wrong but I
suspect that this posting by "Window" may be a tongue-in-cheek reply to the
posting made yesterday by some nosy busybody called Martin Pentreath with
the subject line "Replacement Windows in breach of conservation area rules"

Sorry, I was a bit otherwise engaged last night

--
geoff

Andy Cap wrote:
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:26:15 +0000, Window wrote:

Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a
fuss about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

We'll see how he likes it when I stone-clad the front and put a
satellite dish up. Then I'm going to add a third storey.

I was under the impression that ALL replacement windows were now
subject to planning rules. Is that not right ?

Andy

Correct.
that is not right.

Window wrote:
Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a fuss
about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

We'll see how he likes it when I stone-clad the front and put a
satellite dish up. Then I'm going to add a third storey.

I've got to admit, the OP of 'that' thread certainly fooled a lot of people
in this froup, me included, I fear it was nothing short of a blatant troll.

Unless he's trying to redefine the word '****'?

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:14:30 +0000, Andy Cap
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:21:24 GMT, EricP wrote:

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:26:15 +0000, Window wrote:

Just got all my rotten wooden windows replaced with some lovely
maintenance-free uPVC ones, and very tasteful they are too.
Next thing I know some nosey git from up the street is creating a fuss
about my 'plastic windows', mouthing off about how this is a
Conservation Area and it's not allowed. Keeps going on about
fenestration issues - I'll de-fenestrate him.

We'll see how he likes it when I stone-clad the front and put a
satellite dish up. Then I'm going to add a third storey.

Nice one. 10/10

It also went Whoosh over most heads in here so........ an extra 10/10.
)

Some of us have a life outside NG's and don't have the time to wade through
every thread posted in every interest group. Nice one though, all the same !

Andy

You were too subtle for me, I am afraid!

Andy Cap wrote:

I was under the impression that ALL replacement windows were now subject to
planning rules. Is that not right ?

No.

Building regs: yes
Planning: no (other than certain areas)

David

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:35:53 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Christian McArdle wrote:
As I drove past "my" old house I saw that all my work was for
nothing. The new owner had ripped out the metal windows and
installed horrid white plastic ones, totally not in keeping with the
house style.

*******s!

Okay, so I may have had somewhat higher heating bills in winter, and
there was a problem with condensation in cold weather, but I didn't
care. Those metal windows would have lasted a further 100 years, and
indeed, I believe there are now double-glazed glass inserts for them.

Indeed. The availability of double glazed Crittalls is a life saver for the
millions of at-risk 1930s windows out there. That 1930s look relies so much
on those slender metal frames. To replace them with horrid plastic just
shows how some people have no appreciation for architecture whatsoever
beyond just being a cheap shelter from the elements.


Which is of course exactly what they said about Crittall windows when
they first came out.

What, you mean back in the 1850s?


AWFUL things. Cold and draughty.

Rubbish. Slender framed, elegant windows are a feature of many modern
as well as traditional building design. And with the modern
double-glaxed replacement glass inserts performance need be no worse
than with the horrid plastic windows.

MM

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:41:09 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

MM wrote:
Okay, so I may have had somewhat higher heating bills in winter, and
there was a problem with condensation in cold weather, but I didn't
care. Those metal windows would have lasted a further 100 years, and
indeed, I believe there are now double-glazed glass inserts for them.

Don't have any details do you? Just what I'm looking for.

http://www.crittall-windows.co.uk/

MM

MM wrote:
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:35:53 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Christian McArdle wrote:
As I drove past "my" old house I saw that all my work was for
nothing. The new owner had ripped out the metal windows and
installed horrid white plastic ones, totally not in keeping with the
house style.
*******s!

Okay, so I may have had somewhat higher heating bills in winter, and
there was a problem with condensation in cold weather, but I didn't
care. Those metal windows would have lasted a further 100 years, and
indeed, I believe there are now double-glazed glass inserts for them.
Indeed. The availability of double glazed Crittalls is a life saver for the
millions of at-risk 1930s windows out there. That 1930s look relies so much
on those slender metal frames. To replace them with horrid plastic just
shows how some people have no appreciation for architecture whatsoever
beyond just being a cheap shelter from the elements.

Which is of course exactly what they said about Crittall windows when
they first came out.

What, you mean back in the 1850s?

AWFUL things. Cold and draughty.

And usually rusty


Rubbish. Slender framed, elegant windows are a feature of many modern
as well as traditional building design. And with the modern
double-glaxed replacement glass inserts performance need be no worse
than with the horrid plastic windows.

MM

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:33:49 GMT, Stuart Noble
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:35:53 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Christian McArdle wrote:
As I drove past "my" old house I saw that all my work was for
nothing. The new owner had ripped out the metal windows and
installed horrid white plastic ones, totally not in keeping with the
house style.
*******s!

Okay, so I may have had somewhat higher heating bills in winter, and
there was a problem with condensation in cold weather, but I didn't
care. Those metal windows would have lasted a further 100 years, and
indeed, I believe there are now double-glazed glass inserts for them.
Indeed. The availability of double glazed Crittalls is a life saver for the
millions of at-risk 1930s windows out there. That 1930s look relies so much
on those slender metal frames. To replace them with horrid plastic just
shows how some people have no appreciation for architecture whatsoever
beyond just being a cheap shelter from the elements.

Which is of course exactly what they said about Crittall windows when
they first came out.

What, you mean back in the 1850s?

AWFUL things. Cold and draughty.

And usually rusty

Crittall's windows are GALVANISED!

MM

MM wrote:
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:33:49 GMT, Stuart Noble
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:35:53 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Christian McArdle wrote:
As I drove past "my" old house I saw that all my work was for
nothing. The new owner had ripped out the metal windows and
installed horrid white plastic ones, totally not in keeping with the
house style.
*******s!

Okay, so I may have had somewhat higher heating bills in winter, and
there was a problem with condensation in cold weather, but I didn't
care. Those metal windows would have lasted a further 100 years, and
indeed, I believe there are now double-glazed glass inserts for them.
Indeed. The availability of double glazed Crittalls is a life saver for the
millions of at-risk 1930s windows out there. That 1930s look relies so much
on those slender metal frames. To replace them with horrid plastic just
shows how some people have no appreciation for architecture whatsoever
beyond just being a cheap shelter from the elements.

Which is of course exactly what they said about Crittall windows when
they first came out.
What, you mean back in the 1850s?

AWFUL things. Cold and draughty.
And usually rusty

Crittall's windows are GALVANISED!

MM

I worked on a 30s house where the whole lot were rusted through at the
bottom

In article ,
MM writes:

Crittall's windows are GALVANISED!

....until someone sands them down to repaint.
They they're wrecked, as rust will always leach though.

--
Andrew Gabriel

Stuart Noble wrote:
MM wrote:
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:33:49 GMT, Stuart Noble
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:35:53 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Christian McArdle wrote:
As I drove past "my" old house I saw that all my work was for
nothing. The new owner had ripped out the metal windows and
installed horrid white plastic ones, totally not in keeping with the
house style.
*******s!

Okay, so I may have had somewhat higher heating bills in winter, and
there was a problem with condensation in cold weather, but I didn't
care. Those metal windows would have lasted a further 100 years, and
indeed, I believe there are now double-glazed glass inserts for
them.
Indeed. The availability of double glazed Crittalls is a life
saver for the millions of at-risk 1930s windows out there. That
1930s look relies so much on those slender metal frames. To
replace them with horrid plastic just shows how some people have
no appreciation for architecture whatsoever beyond just being a
cheap shelter from the elements.

Which is of course exactly what they said about Crittall windows
when they first came out.
What, you mean back in the 1850s?

AWFUL things. Cold and draughty.
And usually rusty

Crittall's windows are GALVANISED!

MM

I worked on a 30s house where the whole lot were rusted through at the
bottom
I lived with them for 15 years and they rusted at the base..inside!

All that condensation.

My mother, whose house they were in, eventually replaced them with UPVC
DG, and suddenly the house got almost warm.