I need to purchase a electric scale inhibitor.

They seem to range in price, from £35 at toolstation to over £75 for
those advertised on TV.

I can only assume they have different power outputs as a reason for the
price differences.

Can anyone recomend a fair price unit that will work. I'd rather spend
money on one that works that on a cheap ones that does sweet FA.

wrote:
I need to purchase a electric scale inhibitor.

Don't


They seem to range in price, from £35 at toolstation to over £75 for
those advertised on TV.

I can only assume they have different power outputs as a reason for the
price differences.

More a case of what they they think they can sell them for.


Can anyone recomend a fair price unit that will work.

No.

I'd rather spend
money on one that works that on a cheap ones that does sweet FA.

In that case buy something that does the job properly.

MBQ

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:47:26 -0800, wrote:

I need to purchase a electric scale inhibitor.

They seem to range in price, from £35 at toolstation to over £75 for
those advertised on TV.

I can only assume they have different power outputs as a reason for the
price differences.

The difference in price depends on the type of snake they use for the oil :-)

Can anyone recomend a fair price unit that will work. I'd rather spend
money on one that works that on a cheap ones that does sweet FA.

£45 'Permutit' phosphor dosing from B&Q, and clean any salt deposists
off the adapter connector when you change the cartridge.

wrote in message
ups.com...
I need to purchase a electric scale inhibitor.

They seem to range in price, from £35 at toolstation to over £75 for
those advertised on TV.

I can only assume they have different power outputs as a reason for the
price differences.

Can anyone recomend a fair price unit that will work. I'd rather spend
money on one that works that on a cheap ones that does sweet FA.


Scalewatcher has a good reputation.

"John Stumbles" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:47:26 -0800, wrote:

I need to purchase a electric scale inhibitor.

They seem to range in price, from £35 at toolstation to over £75 for
those advertised on TV.

I can only assume they have different power outputs as a reason for the
price differences.

The difference in price depends on the type of snake they use for the oil
:-)

Can anyone recomend a fair price unit that will work. I'd rather spend
money on one that works that on a cheap ones that does sweet FA.

£45 'Permutit' phosphor dosing from B&Q, and clean any salt deposists
off the adapter connector when you change the cartridge.

And us a paper clip to poke out the venturi holes too.

wrote:
I need to purchase a electric scale inhibitor.

No, you really don't.


They seem to range in price, from £35 at toolstation to over £75 for
those advertised on TV.

I can only assume they have different power outputs as a reason for the
price differences.

You can assume whatever you want, but it is incorrect.


Can anyone recomend a fair price unit that will work. I'd rather spend
money on one that works that on a cheap ones that does sweet FA.

They don't work.


--
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On 17 Mar 2006 04:47:26 -0800, "
wrote:

I need to purchase a electric scale inhibitor.

I suggest you don't.

They seem to range in price, from £35 at toolstation to over £75 for
those advertised on TV.

I can only assume they have different power outputs as a reason for the
price differences.

They have various, mainly cosmetic, differences and varying wildly
inaccurate descriptions of how they are supposed to work. None of
these affect their complete lack of effectiveness.

Can anyone recomend a fair price unit that will work.

Not really as none of them work. If you really want to convince
yourself buy the cheapest which doesn't require installation and
comes with a 12 month "money back" guarantee. Get it from a major
retailer - somewhere like Homebase - and get it in writing that you
can have a full refund when you find it is useless. Make a careful
note of the convoluted terms of the guarantee and mark on the
calendar when you must return it. The marketing of these devices
relies upon people forgetting to claim their money back months after
buying them and finding they don't work.

--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "
saying something like:

I need to purchase a electric scale inhibitor.

They seem to range in price, from £35 at toolstation to over £75 for
those advertised on TV.

I can only assume they have different power outputs as a reason for the
price differences.

Can anyone recomend a fair price unit that will work. I'd rather spend
money on one that works that on a cheap ones that does sweet FA.

Give me 75 quid and I'll perform a service for you which will do as much
to keep your pipes scale-free as one of those things.

The service? Oh, that consists of doing absolutely **** all.
--

Dave

The message . com
from " contains these words:

I need to purchase a electric scale inhibitor.

Why? What /genuine/ evidence do you have that they work?

--
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Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

On 17 Mar 2006 04:47:26 -0800, "
wrote:

I need to purchase a electric scale inhibitor.

No you don't.


They seem to range in price, from £35 at toolstation to over £75 for
those advertised on TV.

I'll do you a really effective one for £80. Would you like my Paypal
account details?


I can only assume they have different power outputs as a reason for the
price differences.

It's purely determined by what the marketers of them think that the
intended audience will pay.

One other tactic is to offer a money back guarantee and to price them
at a point where most people won't bother to return them.



Can anyone recomend a fair price unit that will work. I'd rather spend
money on one that works that on a cheap ones that does sweet FA.

They all do sweet FA, so it doesn't make any difference.

If you are trying to address scaling, then a phosphor dosing system
like a Combimate will do the job.

If you want to also soften the water and save on shampoos and
detergents, then you need an ion exchange water softener.


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Guy King wrote:
I need to purchase a electric scale inhibitor.

Why? What /genuine/ evidence do you have that they work?

While I agree that these devices don't work (my parents had one fitted
some years back), how do the manufacturers then get away with selling them?

Alex

"Grunff" wrote in message
...
wrote:
I need to purchase a electric scale inhibitor.

No, you really don't.

He does. He said so.

"Alex" wrote in message
...
Guy King wrote:
I need to purchase a electric scale inhibitor.

Why? What /genuine/ evidence do you have that they work?

While I agree that these devices don't work (my parents had one fitted
some years back), how do the manufacturers then get away with selling
them?

Many appliance makers recommend them. So for them not working. I have one
and it works.

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:19:46 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Alex" wrote in message
...
Guy King wrote:
I need to purchase a electric scale inhibitor.

Why? What /genuine/ evidence do you have that they work?

While I agree that these devices don't work (my parents had one fitted
some years back), how do the manufacturers then get away with selling
them?

Many appliance makers recommend them. So for them not working. I have one
and it works.


Ah..... so it depends on *who* you are.

Of course. So obvious.


--

..andy

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Hall
saying something like:

Many appliance makers recommend them. So for them not working. I have one
and it works.


Ah..... so it depends on *who* you are.

Of course. So obvious.

His elephant scarer works too.
--

Dave

"Andy Hall" akak Matt wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:19:46 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Alex" wrote in message
...
Guy King wrote:
I need to purchase a electric scale inhibitor.

Why? What /genuine/ evidence do you have that they work?

While I agree that these devices don't work (my parents had one fitted
some years back), how do the manufacturers then get away with selling
them?

Many appliance makers recommend them. So for them not working. I have one
and it works.


Ah..... so it depends on *who* you are.

Matt, have you been at the sherry again?

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Hall
saying something like:

Many appliance makers recommend them. So for them not working. I have one
and it works.


Ah..... so it depends on *who* you are.

Of course. So obvious.

His elephant scarer works too.

Never fails. The scale just drops off as well.

In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
His elephant scarer works too.

Never fails. The scale just drops off as well.

Elephants don't have scales.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
His elephant scarer works too.

Never fails. The scale just drops off as well.

Elephants don't have scales.


Told you it was good.

The message
from Alex contains these words:

While I agree that these devices don't work (my parents had one fitted
some years back), how do the manufacturers then get away with selling them?

Because they invent spurious ********.

--
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Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Alex wrote:
Guy King wrote:
I need to purchase a electric scale inhibitor.

Why? What /genuine/ evidence do you have that they work?

While I agree that these devices don't work (my parents had one fitted
some years back), how do the manufacturers then get away with selling them?

Alex
How does the labour government get away with doing naff all useful?

Same principle.

You can fool enough of the people enough of the time..

I assumed they worked because my plumber installed a magnetic one
inline to the new boiler I brought. I thought it was the same
principle. Are you guys all saying that these don't work either ?

I guess the word inhibitor rather than preventor is key. It only helps
but does not eliminate.

I've seen demonstrations where water particles run a different way
after going through this type of system. I am trying to prevent water
marks on the shower chome and glass only.

wrote:
I assumed they worked because my plumber installed a magnetic one
inline to the new boiler I brought. I thought it was the same
principle.

It is the same principle - that idiots will buy any old crap regardless
of whether it works.


Are you guys all saying that these don't work either ?

Yes.


I guess the word inhibitor rather than preventor is key. It only helps
but does not eliminate.

No, it does *nothing*. The wording is irrelevant.


I've seen demonstrations where water particles run a different way
after going through this type of system. I am trying to prevent water
marks on the shower chome and glass only.

Ah, ok, in that case just BUY ONE! You've just demonstrated that you are
a target customer. Just go for it.


--
Grunff

On 21 Mar 2006 04:28:02 -0800, "
wrote:

I assumed they worked because my plumber installed a magnetic one
inline to the new boiler I brought. I thought it was the same
principle. Are you guys all saying that these don't work either ?

Completely useless.


I guess the word inhibitor rather than preventor is key. It only helps
but does not eliminate.

I've seen demonstrations where water particles run a different way
after going through this type of system. I am trying to prevent water
marks on the shower chome and glass only.

These will not do that.

The choices are phosphate dosing if you want to address scaling, or
ion exchange water softener if you also want to reduce detergent and
shampoo use.



--

..andy

"Grunff" wrote in message
...
wrote:

I assumed they worked because my plumber installed a magnetic one
inline to the new boiler I brought. I thought it was the same
principle.

One housing officer I was talking to recently always installs Liff magnetic
inhibitors. He says they had great success with them. I have seen these
extensively in hospitals too.

http://www.discountedheating.co.uk/shop/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Liff_1022.html

It is the same principle - that idiots will buy any old crap regardless of
whether it works.

You clearly haven't a clue what you are talking about. As usual.

"Andy Hall" aka wrote in message
...
On 21 Mar 2006 04:28:02 -0800, "
wrote:

I assumed they worked because my plumber installed a magnetic one
inline to the new boiler I brought. I thought it was the same
principle. Are you guys all saying that these don't work either ?

Completely useless.

Matt, what experience of these do youhave, besides guessing?

Andy Hall wrote:
On 21 Mar 2006 04:28:02 -0800, "
wrote:

I assumed they worked because my plumber installed a magnetic one
inline to the new boiler I brought. I thought it was the same
principle. Are you guys all saying that these don't work either ?

Completely useless.

I guess the word inhibitor rather than preventor is key. It only helps
but does not eliminate.

I've seen demonstrations where water particles run a different way
after going through this type of system. I am trying to prevent water
marks on the shower chome and glass only.

These will not do that.

The choices are phosphate dosing if you want to address scaling, or
ion exchange water softener if you also want to reduce detergent and
shampoo use.



Even with a softener our shower screen gets a bit cloudy.

Not quite sure why - OK its TONS better than unsoftened, but there is
still something coming out.

Andy Hall wrote in
:

On 21 Mar 2006 04:28:02 -0800, "
wrote:

I assumed they worked because my plumber installed a magnetic one
inline to the new boiler I brought. I thought it was the same
principle. Are you guys all saying that these don't work either ?

Completely useless.

This document:
http://www.southernwater.co.uk/pdfs/.../drinkWaterQua
lity/SoftenersWRCnote.pdf
based on research from WRc (if I remember correctly, the now-
privatised Water Research Centre labs) that physical conditioning
devices do *indeed* work, but that the scale-reducing effect cannot
be guaranteed.

Which is not quite the same as "useless" - more a case of "suck it
and see".

WRc does say that other testers have found the AQAtotal device
efective.

The document at the link above will answer most (?) questions and
will repay careful reading. Whether the cost of the AQAtotal (which I
don't know) would be repaid is a different question...

Find info on the AQAtotal he
http://www.aqatotal.com/index_e.htm

For info: as part of a house renovation project, the plumber doing
the boiler installation for me has installed an in-line permanent
magnet device. I expressed my scepticism that it will work; he claims
it does, and has one himself. I will wait and see - but I'm not
holding my breath.

Hope this helps

--

Richard Perkin
To email me, change the AT in the address below
richard.perkinATmyrealbox.com

It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it
is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's.
It isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs.
-- Oxford University Press, Edpress News

On 21 Mar 2006 13:11:14 GMT, Richard Perkin
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote in
:

On 21 Mar 2006 04:28:02 -0800, "
wrote:

I assumed they worked because my plumber installed a magnetic one
inline to the new boiler I brought. I thought it was the same
principle. Are you guys all saying that these don't work either ?

Completely useless.

This document:
http://www.southernwater.co.uk/pdfs/.../drinkWaterQua
lity/SoftenersWRCnote.pdf
based on research from WRc (if I remember correctly, the now-
privatised Water Research Centre labs) that physical conditioning
devices do *indeed* work, but that the scale-reducing effect cannot
be guaranteed.

Which is not quite the same as "useless" - more a case of "suck it
and see".


The document is liberally sprinkled with the words "if", "might",
"maybe"

The WRC reference is worthless because it only relates to whether
conditioners do or don't conform to regulations and is not related to
fitness for purpose.

There is only one PC device that has passed the German DVGW tests and
this is not the typical type of £30-90 device that is sold.

These are useless.


--

..andy

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:11:11 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 21 Mar 2006 04:28:02 -0800, "
wrote:

I assumed they worked because my plumber installed a magnetic one
inline to the new boiler I brought. I thought it was the same
principle. Are you guys all saying that these don't work either ?

Completely useless.

I guess the word inhibitor rather than preventor is key. It only helps
but does not eliminate.

I've seen demonstrations where water particles run a different way
after going through this type of system. I am trying to prevent water
marks on the shower chome and glass only.

These will not do that.

The choices are phosphate dosing if you want to address scaling, or
ion exchange water softener if you also want to reduce detergent and
shampoo use.



Even with a softener our shower screen gets a bit cloudy.

Not quite sure why - OK its TONS better than unsoftened, but there is
still something coming out.

I think that this could be salt deposits from the content in shampoo,
because I notice that it does vary according to what has been used.

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 21 Mar 2006 13:11:14 GMT, Richard Perkin
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote in
m:

On 21 Mar 2006 04:28:02 -0800, "
wrote:

I assumed they worked because my plumber installed a magnetic one
inline to the new boiler I brought. I thought it was the same
principle. Are you guys all saying that these don't work either ?

Completely useless.

This document:
http://www.southernwater.co.uk/pdfs/.../drinkWaterQua
lity/SoftenersWRCnote.pdf
based on research from WRc (if I remember correctly, the now-
privatised Water Research Centre labs) that physical conditioning
devices do *indeed* work, but that the scale-reducing effect cannot
be guaranteed.

Which is not quite the same as "useless" - more a case of "suck it
and see".


The document is liberally sprinkled with the words "if", "might",
"maybe"

The WRC reference is worthless because it only relates to whether
conditioners do or don't conform to regulations and is not related to
fitness for purpose.

There is only one PC device that
has passed the German DVGW tests and
this is not the typical type of £30-90
device that is sold.

These are useless.

That is not what the WRC say.

The message
from Richard Perkin contains these words:

This document:
http://www.southernwater.co.uk/pdfs/.../drinkWaterQua
lity/SoftenersWRCnote.pdf
based on research from WRc (if I remember correctly, the now-
privatised Water Research Centre labs) that physical conditioning
devices do *indeed* work, but that the scale-reducing effect cannot
be guaranteed.

However, it also goes on to say

"At the present time no device can be guaranteed to work
to produce an acceptable benefit, except in very specific
circumstances."

Which to my mind falls far below "Suck it an see" and down in the realms
of snake oil. The firms that do these tests seem quite sensitive to
concerns about being prosecuted by a manufacturer for slating a product.
It's rare for an individual test to show that something is snake-oil.
Think about all the trouble with the Broquet fuel catalyst during the
switch from leaded to unleaded.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
...
On 21 Mar 2006 13:11:14 GMT, Richard Perkin
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote in
m:

On 21 Mar 2006 04:28:02 -0800, "
wrote:

I assumed they worked because my plumber installed a magnetic one
inline to the new boiler I brought. I thought it was the same
principle. Are you guys all saying that these don't work either ?

Completely useless.

This document:
http://www.southernwater.co.uk/pdfs/.../drinkWaterQua
lity/SoftenersWRCnote.pdf
based on research from WRc (if I remember correctly, the now-
privatised Water Research Centre labs) that physical conditioning
devices do *indeed* work, but that the scale-reducing effect cannot
be guaranteed.

Which is not quite the same as "useless" - more a case of "suck it
and see".


The document is liberally sprinkled with the words "if", "might",
"maybe"

The WRC reference is worthless because it only relates to whether
conditioners do or don't conform to regulations and is not related to
fitness for purpose.

There is only one PC device that has passed
the German DVGW tests and
this is not the typical type of £30-90 device that is sold.

These are useless.

Matt, so usless it has passed German DVGW-W512 guidelines. Independently
tested in the US by Spectrum Labs, who said, "there was 99% less hardness
scale in the treated chamber than what was detected in the untreated
chamber."

Isn't that amazing! And not a Makita manual in sight.

"Guy King" wrote in message
...
The message
from Richard Perkin contains these words:

This document:
http://www.southernwater.co.uk/pdfs/.../drinkWaterQua
lity/SoftenersWRCnote.pdf
based on research from WRc (if I remember correctly, the now-
privatised Water Research Centre labs) that physical conditioning
devices do *indeed* work, but that the scale-reducing effect cannot
be guaranteed.

However, it also goes on to say

"At the present time no device can be guaranteed to work
to produce an acceptable benefit, except in very specific
circumstances."

Which to my mind falls far below
"Suck it an see" and down in the realms
of snake oil. The firms that do these
tests seem quite sensitive to
concerns about being prosecuted by
a manufacturer for slating a product.

The Germans found one that 100% works. It must high grade snake oil

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:45:07 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

This document:
http://www.southernwater.co.uk/pdfs/.../drinkWaterQua
lity/SoftenersWRCnote.pdf
based on research from WRc (if I remember correctly, the now-
privatised Water Research Centre labs) that physical conditioning
devices do *indeed* work, but that the scale-reducing effect cannot
be guaranteed.

Which is not quite the same as "useless" - more a case of "suck it
and see".


The document is liberally sprinkled with the words "if", "might",
"maybe"

The WRC reference is worthless because it only relates to whether
conditioners do or don't conform to regulations and is not related to
fitness for purpose.

There is only one PC device that
has passed the German DVGW tests and
this is not the typical type of £30-90
device that is sold.

These are useless.

That is not what the WRC say.

There are a sufficient number of caveats, exceptions, maybes, and
"might work" but circumstances undefined and undefinable, that they
are doing nothing more than being kind.

As I said. Useless.


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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:09:36 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


Matt, so usless it has passed German DVGW-W512 guidelines. Independently
tested in the US by Spectrum Labs, who said, "there was 99% less hardness
scale in the treated chamber than what was detected in the untreated
chamber."


One product which is nothing like the £30 - £90 con trick rubbish that
you claim works.


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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:45:07 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

This document:
http://www.southernwater.co.uk/pdfs/.../drinkWaterQua
lity/SoftenersWRCnote.pdf
based on research from WRc (if I remember correctly, the now-
privatised Water Research Centre labs) that physical conditioning
devices do *indeed* work, but that the scale-reducing effect cannot
be guaranteed.

Which is not quite the same as "useless" - more a case of "suck it
and see".


The document is liberally sprinkled with the words "if", "might",
"maybe"

The WRC reference is worthless because it only relates to whether
conditioners do or don't conform to regulations and is not related to
fitness for purpose.

There is only one PC device that
has passed the German DVGW tests and
this is not the typical type of £30-90
device that is sold.

These are useless.

That is not what the WRC say.

There are a sufficient number of caveats, exceptions, maybes, and
"might work" but circumstances undefined and undefinable, that they
are doing nothing more than being kind.

As I said. Useless.

Assertion is not proof.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:09:36 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


Matt, so usless it has passed German DVGW-W512 guidelines. Independently
tested in the US by Spectrum Labs, who said, "there was 99% less hardness
scale in the treated chamber than what was detected in the untreated
chamber."


One product which is nothing like the £30 - £90 con trick rubbish that
you claim works.

Mine is made by Aqua-Dial, who make many type of softeners, and it works.

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:19:33 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:



There are a sufficient number of caveats, exceptions, maybes, and
"might work" but circumstances undefined and undefinable, that they
are doing nothing more than being kind.

As I said. Useless.

Assertion is not proof.

That's the whole trouble. The manufacturers assert and have no proof.


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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:20:37 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:09:36 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


Matt, so usless it has passed German DVGW-W512 guidelines. Independently
tested in the US by Spectrum Labs, who said, "there was 99% less hardness
scale in the treated chamber than what was detected in the untreated
chamber."


One product which is nothing like the £30 - £90 con trick rubbish that
you claim works.

Mine is made by Aqua-Dial, who make many type of softeners, and it works.


Lovely.


--

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