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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:25:51 +0000 (GMT), Tony Williams
wrote: |In article , | Dave Fawthrop wrote: | | We installed our Double Glazing over several years as money | became available. | | I don't have the skill, (or the bottle), to install | new windows, especially in this house. We paid for it, but got the discount as if we had done it all at the same time. Still horrendously expensive :-( -- Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk 17,000 free e-books at Project Gutenberg! http://www.gutenberg.net For Yorkshire Dialect go to www.hyphenologist.co.uk/songs/ |
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Local conservation officer has stated that he is looking for timber
windows. Given the sash style upvc ones that are available can he insist on this as I am looking for low maintenance. If you stuck a non-timber window in a conservation area near me, I'd be on to you like a sack of bricks. Do it properly. Decent timber windows are lower maintenance overall than uPVC anyway. OK, you should repaint them every five years. Do this and they will last centuries. uPVC is often ********ed up within 10 or 20 years and then needs total replacement. I doubt if anyone would be able to tell the difference. I can, as can anyone who like traditionally constructed buildings. If you don't like nice buildings, don't buy in a conservation area, but get a characterless hutch on a new estate. Please don't ruin conservation areas for the people who care enough to live in one. Christian. |
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The vast majority of people viewing a house on seeing wooden windows would
adjust their offer to compensate for the fact that they would be replacing all the windows. Maybe on an estate. In my area, plastic windows knock 10 grand off over original sashes in good condition. Christian. |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:56:59 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: Why "quite rightly"? These people are jobsworths who abuse their position and restrict the freedom of the very people who pay their salaries. This is not to say that there does not need to be sensible planning control to prevent monstrosities, but quite often these people in planning departments exceed the intent of the legislation and behave arbitrarily. It would be worth the investment to put them through the wringer on the hope that they are slapped down. Are you going to do it, Andy? This one isn't likely to affect me since I don't live in a conservation area. You could take up arms on behalf of the lady if you felt so strongly about it. However, in the past, I have successfully mounted a campaign against the abuse of power by a planning department regarding building of an unsuitably located access road to a sports stadium in a park owned by said council. I've done something similar but it's not the same thing at all as the case under discussion. Many of thesedevelopments are ultimately passed by national government. They're certainly often oiled by money. They can still be opposed and changed but they're not planned by local government officers. .... So it is possible to stop this ridiculous abuse of power. It's a matter of having the will and presenting the case properly. Also, a way for the jobsworths to save face is helpful. Has it ever occurred to you that some people might be calling YOU a 'jobsworth'? It all depends on where you're standing. Considering the case of the lady in Oxfordshire, while I don't particularly like the thought of genuine heritage items being replaced with crap, she did so with something that was convincing enough for TV use so can't have been a total monstrosity. Oh well, if it's OK for TV it MUST be good! Look, she chose to live in a conservation area, she must have known and accepted the restrictions. If she had polio she hasn't recently contracted it. Given that replacement with a lighter door allows her to maintain her independence in her house (not anybody else's house), I think that this should over-ride the conservation issue. No, there were, according to the report, other issues than a lightweight door. The council didn't *have* to make an issue out of it, but could have acted with common sense and a degree of compassion. And done the same for all the other abuses in the area? A line has to be drawn - and kept to. A sensible solution would have been for the original door to have been stored somewhere to be reinstalled at some date in the future when she no longer needs the house. It seems that the magistrate probably agreed, since the fine was only £300. Or it could be because there are pre-determined penalites for offences ... I don't live in a conservation area but one starts at the other side of the street and I've been very pleased that restrictions have been enforced in that area otherwise we'd now be overlooked by a very high building and no trees. I firmly believe that, on the whole, planning is going the right way. Nothing will ever be perfect and some individuals might not like restrictions but they have a choice, they can move to a nice new estate. Mary |
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"Tony Williams" wrote in message ... In article , Dave Fawthrop wrote: But the almost perfect draughtproofing on ours compares very well with the less than perfect version it replaced. Must save a as much money as the windows themselves. I would agree. We had 14 1970-ish steel windows replaced with d-g, at a fearsome cost. The improvement in morning comfort is remarkable though...... we don't even know now how cold it is outside until we open the front door. And no more condensation on the insides every cold morning. Yes, the comfort factor is the best benefit of dg. It's not just lack of draughts through gaps, it's the lack of downflow of cold air from the windows. Mary -- Tony Williams. |
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:52:36 -0000 Christian McArdle wrote :
Please don't ruin conservation areas for the people who care enough to live in one. Some of us have had CA status foisted on us - last December in my case. No one asked me whether I wanted this. Fortunately my neighbour is a planning officer in another borough and got wind that it was happening. Her response: would I cut down the big tree in my garden that overshadowed hers, since once the CA came in I wouldn't be able to do this without council permission which probably wouldn't be forthcoming. I liked the tree but could see her point so down the tree came. But the truth is I no longer own my garden the council does. -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm [Latest version QSEDBUK 1.12 released 8 Dec 2005] |
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"Christian McArdle" wrote in message ... The vast majority of people viewing a house on seeing wooden windows would adjust their offer to compensate for the fact that they would be replacing all the windows. Maybe on an estate. In my area, plastic windows knock 10 grand off over original sashes in good condition. I wouldn't buy a house with them at any price. Mary Christian. |
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"Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:52:36 -0000 Christian McArdle wrote : Please don't ruin conservation areas for the people who care enough to live in one. Some of us have had CA status foisted on us - last December in my case. No one asked me whether I wanted this. Fortunately my neighbour is a planning officer in another borough and got wind that it was happening. Her response: would I cut down the big tree in my garden that overshadowed hers, Why didn't she ask before? It didn't spring up overnight. since once the CA came in I wouldn't be able to do this without council permission which probably wouldn't be forthcoming. I liked the tree but could see her point so down the tree came. But the truth is I no longer own my garden the council does. |
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:59:01 -0000 Mary Fisher wrote :
Why didn't she ask before? It didn't spring up overnight. No, I planted it myself 25 years ago. But the forthcoming CA designation made removing it a now or never matter. Likewise my neighbour knocked his front wall down to make the front garden a forecourt for parking: he couldn't take the risk of this being disallowed in the future. -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm [Latest version QSEDBUK 1.12 released 8 Dec 2005] |
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:55:59 -0000, "Peter Crosland"
wrote: It a long running saga that has been reported at length in The Tines and elsewhere. A Google search will reveal more. In essence her argument is that she should not have to obey the law relating to listed buildings. She has put up all sorts of arguments none of which stand up to even cursory scrutiny. An absolute classic case of pig headed stupidity all too common in planning disputes where the building owner thinks they are above the law. Almost without exception it ends up with them losing and with a large bill. Why do they do it? The lady has had polio and is in a wheelchair, Peter. I am well aware of that. She should not be put into a position of being unable to use her home. Her disability is no excuse for breaking the law. Peter Crosland Not it isn't. However there is also such a thing as common sense and of right and wrong. In this case, the right thing to do would have been not to have applied the law and prosecute the lady. I'll give you another example in the news today. The BBC news site is carrying an article that the volunteers from a charitable organisation involved in the attempted rescue of the Thames whale received parking tickets for £300 from jobsworths employed by TFL. I was just about to contact them and offer to pay their tickets but just read on the charity's web site that somebody with a sense of decency at Westminster City Council has offered to cancel them. I'm going to send them a donation anyway That is the difference between stupid and inappropriate application of law by public sector employees and doing the right thing. -- ..andy |
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:44:49 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: You could take up arms on behalf of the lady if you felt so strongly about it. I think that she can probably manage, but I may well drop her an email. So it is possible to stop this ridiculous abuse of power. It's a matter of having the will and presenting the case properly. Also, a way for the jobsworths to save face is helpful. Has it ever occurred to you that some people might be calling YOU a 'jobsworth'? It all depends on where you're standing. Possibly. i think more in terms of "who is the customer here?" Who is paying these people's salaries? The council didn't *have* to make an issue out of it, but could have acted with common sense and a degree of compassion. And done the same for all the other abuses in the area? A line has to be drawn - and kept to. How many people do you know with post Polio syndrome who spend most of their time in a wheelchair? I now know two. I firmly believe that, on the whole, planning is going the right way. Nothing will ever be perfect and some individuals might not like restrictions but they have a choice, they can move to a nice new estate. I think that it presents too much of an opportunity for abuse of power by unelected, faceless public sector employees. -- ..andy |
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:18:08 -0000, "Peter Crosland"
wrote: The planners can make it a condition if they wish. You then have the right of appeal to an independent inspector. Mind you that will probably be rejected. But worth doing, just to upset them! Not half as much as it will upset the appellant if the appeal fails and the council, quite rightly, ask costs and get them! Peter Crosland Why "quite rightly"? Because people who make appeals that are without foundation cost the Council money to deal with. Why should the costs of their stupitity fall on taxpayers generally? These people are jobsworths who abuse their position and restrict the freedom of the very people who pay their salaries. You clearly don't understand the planning and listed building system in general, and this case in particular. I understand it completely, thank you. The woman had unauthorised work done to a listed building. That is a matter of record. and not one that I disputed. Doing, or allowing, such work top be dome is a criminal offence and nothing to do with the planners directly. Enforcement and prosecution are a matter for the Council's legal department not the planners. In the case in point the woman had a number of opportunities to rectify matters but chose not to do so. For a very good reason. The decision to prosecute was taken after consideration by the Council. In the face of refusal to comply with the law they had little choice but to do so. All the costs fell on the culprit rather than on other Council tax payers. There is always a choice about whether to apply the law. This one is very clearly inappropriate. This is not to say that there does not need to be sensible planning control to prevent monstrosities, but quite often these people in planning departments exceed the intent of the legislation and behave arbitrarily. There is no evidence whatsoever that they behaved in anything but the correct manner. Correct according to their understanding of the law as it applies to their narrow minded and bureaucratic little world. In terms of whether it was the right thing to do, the answer is an unequivocal no. -- ..andy |
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:12:28 GMT, raden wrote:
In message , Peter Crosland writes It a long running saga that has been reported at length in The Tines and elsewhere. A Google search will reveal more. In essence her argument is that she should not have to obey the law relating to listed buildings. She has put up all sorts of arguments none of which stand up to even cursory scrutiny. An absolute classic case of pig headed stupidity all too common in planning disputes where the building owner thinks they are above the law. Almost without exception it ends up with them losing and with a large bill. Why do they do it? The lady has had polio and is in a wheelchair, Peter. I am well aware of that. She should not be put into a position of being unable to use her home. Her disability is no excuse for breaking the law. Maybe one has to ask who and what the law's there to protect ? Quite. -- ..andy |
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Andy Hall wrote:
Snip This is not to say that there does not need to be sensible planning control to prevent monstrosities, but quite often these people in planning departments exceed the intent of the legislation and behave arbitrarily. If only that was true Andy, the worst monstrosities are buildings erected since planning laws came in just after WW2. What it really needs is planning permission being separated from the Council, who themselves build whatever they like wherever they like. -- Please do not reply to this Email address All Emails are deleted upon receipt. |
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:24:47 +0000, Broadback
wrote: Andy Hall wrote: Snip This is not to say that there does not need to be sensible planning control to prevent monstrosities, but quite often these people in planning departments exceed the intent of the legislation and behave arbitrarily. If only that was true Andy, the worst monstrosities are buildings erected since planning laws came in just after WW2. What it really needs is planning permission being separated from the Council, who themselves build whatever they like wherever they like. That would be an even better solution. In another post on this thread, I described an experience where they tried to do just that and were forced to back down. -- ..andy |
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Christian McArdle wrote: Local conservation officer has stated that he is looking for timber windows. Given the sash style upvc ones that are available can he insist on this as I am looking for low maintenance. If you stuck a non-timber window in a conservation area near me, I'd be on to you like a sack of bricks. That doesn't alter the fact that the OP is perfectly entitled to install upvc windows if that is what they desire. If you approached me with that attitude, if I decided I wanted to replace my wooden windows with upvc, you'd get an earful of abuse at the very least. My house belongs to me and if I decide to make relatively minor alterations to it, then I will. If you don't like upvc, that's your problem, not mine. Do it properly. Decent timber windows are lower maintenance overall than uPVC anyway. That sentence and the next are mutually exclusive. OK, you should repaint them every five years. I've got both and the wooden windows need far more maintenance than the upvc. Do this and they will last centuries. uPVC is often ********ed up within 10 or 20 years and then needs total replacement. Mine are 15 years old and work just as well as they did when they were installed I doubt if anyone would be able to tell the difference. I can, as can anyone who like traditionally constructed buildings. If you don't like nice buildings, don't buy in a conservation area, but get a characterless hutch on a new estate. Don't be so patronising. I didn't decide to buy in a conservation area, the village I live in became one after I moved in. Oddly enough, my house is the 1800s equivalent of a "characterless hutch", a two-up, two-down semi built from the cheapest materials available (bricks from local clay). If upvc windows had been available then they wouldn't have been used, not because they "don't fit" but because they would have been far more expensive than wooden windows from local materials. Please don't ruin conservation areas for the people who care enough to live in one. If a house with upvc windows "ruins" a conservation area for you, then you're far too sensitive for this life. Cheers, John |
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legin wrote: Hi all, looking to put new windows in a new build that is in a recently designated conser vation area. Local conservation officer has stated that he is looking for timber windows. Given the sash style upvc ones that are available can he insist on this as I am looking for low maintenance. I doubt if anyone would be able to tell the difference unless they got close up. Annoying factor is that only one of the neighbouring six houses has the original timber windows. 4 are upvc and one is aluminium. Any views greately appreciated Unless the situation has changed in the last 15 years, he can ask for whatever he likes but you are under no obligation to do as he requests unless your house is listed or within the curtilage of a listed building or has some sort of condition imposed on it by previous planning consents etc. Merely being in a conservation area does not prevent upvc windows being installed. I went through this 15 years ago. Cheers, John |
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john1_anderton wrote:
Christian McArdle wrote: If you stuck a non-timber window in a conservation area near me, I'd be on to you like a sack of bricks. That doesn't alter the fact that the OP is perfectly entitled to install upvc windows if that is what they desire. If planning/BC/listed building restrictions say otherwise, how can what you say be true? Also - it seems that replacement of uPVC windows in a listed building needs approval - but what about in a conservation area? |
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:37:49 +0000 Chris Bacon wrote :
Also - it seems that replacement of uPVC windows in a listed building needs approval - but what about in a conservation area? In principle it doesn't (on a single family house) - it's permitted development, but Councils can take away PD rights with an Article 4 direction and often do in CA's. -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm [Latest version QSEDBUK 1.12 released 8 Dec 2005] |
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I seem to have stirred up some interesting responses. Thanks to all for
the replies. To clarify the area has only recently been designated a conservation area. The houses vary from 60's built in one area to turn of the century in another. There is a complete mixture of styles from brick built or rendered houses to brick built or rendered bungalows all with a mixture of timber or plastic windows. The roofing materials vary from modern pantiles to rosemary tiles to slate and to artificial slate. Planning permission was granted and no conditions have been imposed regarding plastic windows. The shell of the house has been built and particular attention has been given to stone cills and heads towards the front elevation. Corbelled brick detail and traditional slate. I have used rise and fall brackets so there are no fascias to paint and have built, what I believe, is a very low maintenance and in keeping traditional house. I know that this sounds contradictory but I despise the thought of having to repaint timber windows. My earliest memories are of terrible draughty uncomfortable howling windows! I am not trying to cheapen the situation either. I have sourced some very authentic sash windows that are quality made using white u.p.v.c., and they are not cheap. I recently met with the conservation chappy to finalise the corbelling detail. At this meeting he expressed his dislike for plastic windows. My first meeting with him he agreed to them on the basis that they were prolific within the area, bit of a trade of to me agreeing slate as oposed to rosemary tiles. What really narks me is that at least three houses within the area have changed the windows to plastic since it became a conservation area, seemingly unchallenged. Is it just an opinion or enforceable? I intend to ask someone from planning to approve in writing the final details as i did with the bricks and slates. Just wanted to gather as much info to prepare myself. Thanks all. Regards |
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On 23 Jan 2006 09:58:21 -0800 wrote :
More conservation the better - we should resist the tide of cheapo tawdry crap which so many people accept as normal, and which is so expensive in the long run. This depends on whether you believe that people should be free to make their own choices or not. The trouble with conservation policies is that they impose costs on society which go unseen. To give one small example, my church is in a CA and has 150 year old buildings which are far from ideal and no amount of money will do more than lessen their shortcomings. If we were free to knock down most of what we have an rebuild, we could have a building that would be providing first class facilities for community activities all week long. But our planners would fight tooth and nail to stop this happening: the people who would benefit from such a community resource just don't matter. The minority who get up the petitions do. Remember the promise of the neutron bomb: destroy people and leave the buildings standing. It seems to be the philosophy of many planning officers. -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm [Latest version QSEDBUK 1.12 released 8 Dec 2005] |
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Tony Bryer wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:37:49 +0000 Chris Bacon wrote : Also - it seems that replacement of uPVC windows in a listed building needs approval - but what about in a conservation area? In principle it doesn't (on a single family house) - it's permitted development, but Councils can take away PD rights with an Article 4 direction and often do in CA's. Cripes! So if you've got uPVC then you're stuck with it. Not what I'd expected. |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... How many people do you know with post Polio syndrome who spend most of their time in a wheelchair? I now know two. Lots, actually, since I've been involved for many years with PHAB - Physically Handicapped and Able Bodied. What's your point? Mary |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... In the case in point the woman had a number of opportunities to rectify matters but chose not to do so. For a very good reason. Which was? The decision to prosecute was taken after consideration by the Council. In the face of refusal to comply with the law they had little choice but to do so. All the costs fell on the culprit rather than on other Council tax payers. There is always a choice about whether to apply the law. This one is very clearly inappropriate. That's a subjective view. Mary |
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"Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:59:01 -0000 Mary Fisher wrote : Why didn't she ask before? It didn't spring up overnight. No, I planted it myself 25 years ago My point was that if it was a problem for her she could have approached you before. But the forthcoming CA designation made removing it a now or never matter. But it hadn't been a problem before ... apparently. Mary |
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In the case in point the woman had a number of
opportunities to rectify matters but chose not to do so. For a very good reason. Which was? The decision to prosecute was taken after consideration by the Council. In the face of refusal to comply with the law they had little choice but to do so. All the costs fell on the culprit rather than on other Council tax payers. There is always a choice about whether to apply the law. This one is very clearly inappropriate. That's a subjective view. He really has no idea Mary. The fact is that all he has no rational argument to put but just sheer bigotry. Best ignore him. Even better kill file him! Peter Crosland |
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"Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... On 23 Jan 2006 09:58:21 -0800 wrote : More conservation the better - we should resist the tide of cheapo tawdry crap which so many people accept as normal, and which is so expensive in the long run. This depends on whether you believe that people should be free to make their own choices or not. The trouble with conservation policies is that they impose costs on society which go unseen. To give one small example, my church is in a CA and has 150 year old buildings which are far from ideal and no amount of money will do more than lessen their shortcomings. If we were free to knock down most of what we have an rebuild, we could have a building that would be providing first class facilities for community activities all week long. The church could be adapted without costing a huge amount and without spoiling its (OK probably to our tastes horrid Victorian Gothic) character. It's been done a lot. If there was a local will for community activities that would have happened already. I've been involved in community activities and even fought for - and won - community centres and playgrounds. Sadly, it's too much bother for people to use them, they prefer to watch telly or play in the street rather than walk a couple of hundred yards so all our work has and public money been wasted. But our planners would fight tooth and nail to stop this happening: the people who would benefit from such a community resource just don't matter. The minority who get up the petitions do. If there was a huge demand there would be even more powerful petitions to overcome the protestors'. Mary |
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"Peter Crosland" wrote in message ... He really has no idea Mary. The fact is that all he has no rational argument to put but just sheer bigotry. Best ignore him. Even better kill file him! No, because I like Andy in some ways. Everyone has a blind spot. Except me of course... :-) Mary |
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Peter Crosland wrote: It a long running saga that has been reported at length in The Tines and elsewhere. A Google search will reveal more. In essence her argument is that she should not have to obey the law relating to listed buildings. She has put up all sorts of arguments none of which stand up to even cursory scrutiny. An absolute classic case of pig headed stupidity all too common in planning disputes where the building owner thinks they are above the law. Almost without exception it ends up with them losing and with a large bill. Why do they do it? The lady has had polio and is in a wheelchair, Peter. I am well aware of that. She should not be put into a position of being unable to use her home. Her disability is no excuse for breaking the law. When the law is an ass, her duty is to break it. That's how laws get changed to resemble common sense. As I see it, the local council is infringing on her human rights. Maybe that's the next step. As has been said in the past, "I don't agree with your views(home) but I defend your right to have those views and to live as you please in your own home" Regards Capitol |
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Peter Crosland wrote: She might find that once in jail, her front door was even more difficult to open! This article is typical journalistic hyperbole, it has more holes in it that net curtains. The only thing full of holes is the argument that the defendant put put up. Her reported argument is what I meant. We don't KNOW that it was actually the case. Do we? It certainly doesn't make sense. Mary The bottom line is she will end up in prison with a far bigger bill than if she had the sense to obey the law. It a long running saga that has been reported at length in The Tines and elsewhere. A Google search will reveal more. In essence her argument is that she should not have to obey the law relating to listed buildings. She has put up all sorts of arguments none of which stand up to even cursory scrutiny. An absolute classic case of pig headed stupidity all too common in planning disputes where the building owner thinks they are above the law. Almost without exception it ends up with them losing and with a large bill. Why do they do it? If she had simply contacted The Sun instead of The Times, the local council would probably have been leaned upon by Nu Labur to ensure that commonsense was used. Regards Capitol |
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:06:13 +0000, Chris Bacon
wrote: Tony Bryer wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:37:49 +0000 Chris Bacon wrote : Also - it seems that replacement of uPVC windows in a listed building needs approval - but what about in a conservation area? In principle it doesn't (on a single family house) - it's permitted development, but Councils can take away PD rights with an Article 4 direction and often do in CA's. Cripes! So if you've got uPVC then you're stuck with it. Not what I'd expected. Oh, it can be worse than that ! I have conditions on my house which specify that I can't: Paint my wooden windows any colour but off-white Change any window or external door (so no upvc-wood or vice-versa) Put up a garden shed, garage, summerhouse or greenhouse Without consent from the council :-( Cheers, John |
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Peter Crosland wrote: Even better kill file him! The last resort of a scoundrel? LOL Regards Capitol |
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writes "Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:59:01 -0000 Mary Fisher wrote : Why didn't she ask before? It didn't spring up overnight. No, I planted it myself 25 years ago My point was that if it was a problem for her she could have approached you before. But the forthcoming CA designation made removing it a now or never matter. But it hadn't been a problem before ... apparently. but maybe it was something which would become more of a problem in the future (as in getting bigger) and the CA status proposal stirred her into action. -- Chris French |
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On 23 Jan 2006 10:32:36 -0800, "legin"
wrote: I seem to have stirred up some interesting responses. Just don't mention Leylandii :-) Thanks to all for the replies. To clarify the area has only recently been designated a conservation area. The houses vary from 60's built in one area to turn of the century in another. There is a complete mixture of styles from brick built or rendered houses to brick built or rendered bungalows all with a mixture of timber or plastic windows. The roofing materials vary from modern pantiles to rosemary tiles to slate and to artificial slate. Planning permission was granted and no conditions have been imposed regarding plastic windows. The shell of the house has been built and particular attention has been given to stone cills and heads towards the front elevation. Corbelled brick detail and traditional slate. I have used rise and fall brackets so there are no fascias to paint and have built, what I believe, is a very low maintenance and in keeping traditional house. I know that this sounds contradictory but I despise the thought of having to repaint timber windows. My earliest memories are of terrible draughty uncomfortable howling windows! I am not trying to cheapen the situation either. I have sourced some very authentic sash windows that are quality made using white u.p.v.c., and they are not cheap. I recently met with the conservation chappy to finalise the corbelling detail. At this meeting he expressed his dislike for plastic windows. My first meeting with him he agreed to them on the basis that they were prolific within the area, bit of a trade of to me agreeing slate as oposed to rosemary tiles. What really narks me is that at least three houses within the area have changed the windows to plastic since it became a conservation area, seemingly unchallenged. Is it just an opinion or enforceable? It depends. As I read your post and got to "Planning permission was granted and no conditions have been imposed regarding plastic windows.", I thought "Aha, they're in the clear" but your paragraph below may indicate otherwise. I intend to ask someone from planning to approve in writing the final details as i did with the bricks and slates. Just wanted to gather as much info to prepare myself. Thanks all. Does the consent mention something along the lines of "All materials must be approved by the planning department" (which would include windows) or is it more specific "All bricks and slates must be approved" ? If the latter, you're OK, if the former, you'll have to persuade the relevant planner that upvc is appropriate. This is by no means impossible, some planners are very reasonable people and would hopefully be open to the argument that upvc is in use in the locality. Good luck, John |
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"chris French" wrote in message ... In message , Mary Fisher writes "Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:59:01 -0000 Mary Fisher wrote : Why didn't she ask before? It didn't spring up overnight. No, I planted it myself 25 years ago My point was that if it was a problem for her she could have approached you before. But the forthcoming CA designation made removing it a now or never matter. But it hadn't been a problem before ... apparently. but maybe it was something which would become more of a problem in the future (as in getting bigger) and the CA status proposal stirred her into action. Unless it were a eucalyptus or leyland it's unlikely to grow much more after 25 years. I wonder if they'd becovered under conservation :-) Mary |
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:35:44 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . How many people do you know with post Polio syndrome who spend most of their time in a wheelchair? I now know two. Lots, actually, since I've been involved for many years with PHAB - Physically Handicapped and Able Bodied. What's your point? Simply that this should take precedence over the titting around by petty bureaucrats with nothing better to do. -- ..andy |
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Mary Fisher wrote: I wouldn't buy a house with them at any price. That's where the beauty of personal choice comes in. You should be free to purchase a house with inferior wooden fittings if you so desire. This is how British villages developed, with everybody doing their own thing. Grade 11 listing and conservation areas are anathema to a progressive democratic way of life and should be removed as fast as possible from the nation. If you want this type of regulated society, then run a local referendum and get 66% of all the registered voters to agree to it, otherwise, form a company, sell shares and purchase a village where all the inhabitants are prepared to pay for their beliefs. Or do you believe in the political divine righteousness of simply telling others how to live? Regards Capitol |
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