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Hi all, looking to put new windows in a new build that is in a recently
designated conser vation area. Local conservation officer has stated that he is looking for timber windows. Given the sash style upvc ones that are available can he insist on this as I am looking for low maintenance. I doubt if anyone would be able to tell the difference unless they got close up. Annoying factor is that only one of the neighbouring six houses has the original timber windows. 4 are upvc and one is aluminium. Any views greately appreciated. |
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Hi all, looking to put new windows in a new build that is in a recently designated conser vation area. Local conservation officer has stated that he is looking for timber windows. Given the sash style upvc ones that are available can he insist on this as I am looking for low maintenance. I doubt if anyone would be able to tell the difference unless they got close up. Annoying factor is that only one of the neighbouring six houses has the original timber windows. 4 are upvc and one is aluminium. Any views greately appreciated. AIUI they would be on to you like a sack of bricks if you tried this in Hampstead Garden Suburb. Don't know about other areas though. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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"legin" wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, looking to put new windows in a new build that is in a recently designated conser vation area. Local conservation officer has stated that he is looking for timber windows. Given the sash style upvc ones that are available can he insist on this as I am looking for low maintenance. I doubt if anyone would be able to tell the difference unless they got close up. Annoying factor is that only one of the neighbouring six houses has the original timber windows. 4 are upvc and one is aluminium. Any views greately appreciated. do what he says or do it twice, and second-hand new windows are worth very little! mrcheerful |
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Helen Deborah Vecht wrote: "legin" typed Hi all, looking to put new windows in a new build that is in a recently designated conser vation area. Local conservation officer has stated that he is looking for timber windows. Given the sash style upvc ones that are available can he insist on this as I am looking for low maintenance. I doubt if anyone would be able to tell the difference unless they got close up. Annoying factor is that only one of the neighbouring six houses has the original timber windows. 4 are upvc and one is aluminium. Any views greately appreciated. If you have the vaguest interest in buildings at all then plastic windows can be spotted from half a mile! They may be low (no) maintenance but they are also highly obsolescent and will need replacing in from 5 to max 20 years. Lots of studies show that trad joinery is cheaper and lower maintenance than plastic, in the longer term. Higher initial cost but lower cost overall over time. Also adds to house value: estate agents "retaining original features" means higher value. Plastic windows are also an environmental disaster - not only spoiling the built environment but also using oil reserves and creating a waste disposal problem due to being unrecycleable and short life. The more conservation areas the better for all of us! cheers Jacob |
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mrcheerful . wrote:
"legin" wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, looking to put new windows in a new build that is in a recently designated conser vation area. Local conservation officer has stated that he is looking for timber windows. Given the sash style upvc ones that are available can he insist on this as I am looking for low maintenance. I doubt if anyone would be able to tell the difference unless they got close up. Annoying factor is that only one of the neighbouring six houses has the original timber windows. 4 are upvc and one is aluminium. do what he says or do it twice, and second-hand new windows are worth very little! See for example: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1887772,00.html http://www.macclesfield-express.co.uk/news/s/106/106074_homeowner_warned_your_upvc_window_doesnt_su it.html And if you're in a conservation area, it's an absolute certainty that someone will dob you in to the council if you go ahead and fit them. David |
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The planners can make it a condition if they wish. You then have the right
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If you have the vaguest interest in buildings at all then plastic
windows can be spotted from half a mile! They may be low (no) maintenance but they are also highly obsolescent and will need replacing in from 5 to max 20 years. Lots of studies show that trad joinery is cheaper and lower maintenance than plastic, in the longer term. Higher initial cost but lower cost overall over time. Also adds to house value: estate agents "retaining original features" means higher value. 'retaining original features' is generally regarded as estate agent speak for 'in need of modernisation'. The vast majority of people viewing a house on seeing wooden windows would adjust their offer to compensate for the fact that they would be replacing all the windows. |
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She might find that once in jail, her front door was even more difficult to open! |
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"SimonJ" wrote in message ... The vast majority of people viewing a house on seeing wooden windows would adjust their offer to compensate for the fact that they would be replacing all the windows. What evidence do you have fort hat? Mary |
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"SimonJ" wrote in message ... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1887772,00.html She might find that once in jail, her front door was even more difficult to open! This article is typical journalistic hyperbole, it has more holes in it that net curtains. Mary |
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Peter Crosland wrote: The planners can make it a condition if they wish. You then have the right of appeal to an independent inspector. Mind you that will probably be rejected. But worth doing, just to upset them! Regards Capitol |
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"Ian Stirling" wrote in message ... Per capita UK emissions of CO2 are about 2500Kg. I'd really like to see some numbers broken down accurately by building type. However. Use cement, and build rigidly, and you've pretty much got to build on a rigid structure, meaning hugely extensive foundations. Use lime, and allow the building to flex, and you can reduce these. The 'right' way to solve this I suspect is prizes. Set goals, which might be CO2 emission, operating cost, price, ... for a house. Scrap _all_ building/fire/planning regulations for these, and instead rely on a detailed engineering survey to ensure they meet the spirit of the regs. Rewrite the regs if required. Award a prize for the 'best' house of several million. What a sensible post! Mary Copy. |
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On 22 Jan 2006 20:47:54 GMT Ian Stirling wrote :
Set goals, which might be CO2 emission, operating cost, price, .... for a house. Scrap _all_ building/fire/planning regulations for these, and instead rely on a detailed engineering survey to ensure they meet the spirit of the regs. Rewrite the regs if required. The energy regs change in April. A quick and dirty summary of the requirement is: work out the CO2 emissions for a house of your proposed size built to the 2002 regs. The estimated CO2 emissions from your house have to be 20% less than this. How you achieve this is up to you - more insulation, better windows, condensing boiler, solar panel are all options One of the changes is to allow manufacturer's certified figures for windows: the very best windows now have a negative energy figure - the solar energy they let in exceeds the heat that leaks out. More on this at http://www.bfrc.org/Contents.htm -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm [Latest version QSEDBUK 1.12 released 8 Dec 2005] |
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"Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... On 22 Jan 2006 20:47:54 GMT Ian Stirling wrote : Set goals, which might be CO2 emission, operating cost, price, .... for a house. Scrap _all_ building/fire/planning regulations for these, and instead rely on a detailed engineering survey to ensure they meet the spirit of the regs. Rewrite the regs if required. The energy regs change in April. A quick and dirty summary of the requirement is: work out the CO2 emissions for a house of your proposed size built to the 2002 regs. The estimated CO2 emissions from your house have to be 20% less than this. That's interesting. How you achieve this is up to you - more insulation, better windows, condensing boiler, solar panel are all options Our solar panel was connected last Sunday and it's working! One of the changes is to allow manufacturer's certified figures for windows: the very best windows now have a negative energy figure - the solar energy they let in exceeds the heat that leaks out. I think our windows must be like that even though we have a lot of glass. At night, when they could leak heat perhaps, the curtains are drawn in heated rooms. More on this at http://www.bfrc.org/Contents.htm Thank you, Mary -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm [Latest version QSEDBUK 1.12 released 8 Dec 2005] |
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The planners can make it a condition if they wish. You then have the
right of appeal to an independent inspector. Mind you that will probably be rejected. But worth doing, just to upset them! Not half as much as it will upset the appellant if the appeal fails and the council, quite rightly, ask costs and get them! Peter Crosland |
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She might find that once in jail, her front door was even more difficult
to open! This article is typical journalistic hyperbole, it has more holes in it that net curtains. The only thing full of holes is the argument that the defendant put put up. The bottom line is she will end up in prison with a far bigger bill than if she had the sense to obey the law. Peter Crosland |
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SimonJ wrote: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1887772,00.html She might find that once in jail, her front door was even more difficult to open! The daft prat could have got a joiner in to ease the door at a fraction of the cost of a replacement, and it would then keep going indefinitely just given a bit of normal maintenance. cheers Jacob |
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Tony Bryer wrote: On 22 Jan 2006 20:47:54 GMT Ian Stirling wrote : Set goals, which might be CO2 emission, operating cost, price, .... for a house. Scrap _all_ building/fire/planning regulations for these, and instead rely on a detailed engineering survey to ensure they meet the spirit of the regs. Rewrite the regs if required. The energy regs change in April. A quick and dirty summary of the requirement is: work out the CO2 emissions for a house of your proposed size built to the 2002 regs. The estimated CO2 emissions from your house have to be 20% less than this. How you achieve this is up to you - more insulation, better windows, condensing boiler, solar panel are all options One of the changes is to allow manufacturer's certified figures for windows: the very best windows now have a negative energy figure - the solar energy they let in exceeds the heat that leaks out. More on this at http://www.bfrc.org/Contents.htm What everybody overlooks with energy saving measures is that fitting double glazing is about the least cost effective energy saving measure you can put inplace, compared to all the other things such as replacing old boilers with condensers, insulation, draught proofing etc. You can prove this for yourself if you do the calcs for your house. cheers Jacob |
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"Peter Crosland" wrote in message ... She might find that once in jail, her front door was even more difficult to open! This article is typical journalistic hyperbole, it has more holes in it that net curtains. The only thing full of holes is the argument that the defendant put put up. Her reported argument is what I meant. We don't KNOW that it was actually the case. Do we? It certainly doesn't make sense. Mary The bottom line is she will end up in prison with a far bigger bill than if she had the sense to obey the law. Peter Crosland |
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:51:14 -0000, "Peter Crosland"
wrote: The planners can make it a condition if they wish. You then have the right of appeal to an independent inspector. Mind you that will probably be rejected. But worth doing, just to upset them! Not half as much as it will upset the appellant if the appeal fails and the council, quite rightly, ask costs and get them! Peter Crosland Why "quite rightly"? These people are jobsworths who abuse their position and restrict the freedom of the very people who pay their salaries. This is not to say that there does not need to be sensible planning control to prevent monstrosities, but quite often these people in planning departments exceed the intent of the legislation and behave arbitrarily. It would be worth the investment to put them through the wringer on the hope that they are slapped down. -- ..andy |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:51:14 -0000, "Peter Crosland" wrote: The planners can make it a condition if they wish. You then have the right of appeal to an independent inspector. Mind you that will probably be rejected. But worth doing, just to upset them! Not half as much as it will upset the appellant if the appeal fails and the council, quite rightly, ask costs and get them! Peter Crosland Why "quite rightly"? These people are jobsworths who abuse their position and restrict the freedom of the very people who pay their salaries. This is not to say that there does not need to be sensible planning control to prevent monstrosities, but quite often these people in planning departments exceed the intent of the legislation and behave arbitrarily. It would be worth the investment to put them through the wringer on the hope that they are slapped down. Are you going to do it, Andy? Reminds me of belling the cat. I seem to be all nostalgic tonight ... but not so much that I don't agree with Peter. Mary -- .andy |
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She might find that once in jail, her front door was even more
difficult to open! This article is typical journalistic hyperbole, it has more holes in it that net curtains. The only thing full of holes is the argument that the defendant put put up. Her reported argument is what I meant. We don't KNOW that it was actually the case. Do we? It certainly doesn't make sense. Mary The bottom line is she will end up in prison with a far bigger bill than if she had the sense to obey the law. It a long running saga that has been reported at length in The Tines and elsewhere. A Google search will reveal more. In essence her argument is that she should not have to obey the law relating to listed buildings. She has put up all sorts of arguments none of which stand up to even cursory scrutiny. An absolute classic case of pig headed stupidity all too common in planning disputes where the building owner thinks they are above the law. Almost without exception it ends up with them losing and with a large bill. Why do they do it? |
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:58:18 -0000, "Peter Crosland"
wrote: She might find that once in jail, her front door was even more difficult to open! This article is typical journalistic hyperbole, it has more holes in it that net curtains. The only thing full of holes is the argument that the defendant put put up. The bottom line is she will end up in prison with a far bigger bill than if she had the sense to obey the law. Peter Crosland The thing that is full of holes is the legislature which speaks out of both sides of its mouth, ably assisted by an army of public sector jobsworths who are incapable of earning a proper living and spend their time interfering in people's lives. On the one hand, there is a whole lot of legislation mandating door widths, electric fitting heights and accesses into public buildings for the disabled. On the other, we have nonsense like this where a disabled person is fined for adapting her home in a reasonable way to remain independent. The government inspector concerned should be ashamed and quite frankly should be fired. -- ..andy |
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"Peter Crosland" wrote in message ... She might find that once in jail, her front door was even more difficult to open! This article is typical journalistic hyperbole, it has more holes in it that net curtains. The only thing full of holes is the argument that the defendant put put up. Her reported argument is what I meant. We don't KNOW that it was actually the case. Do we? It certainly doesn't make sense. Mary The bottom line is she will end up in prison with a far bigger bill than if she had the sense to obey the law. It a long running saga that has been reported at length in The Tines and elsewhere. A Google search will reveal more. In essence her argument is that she should not have to obey the law relating to listed buildings. She has put up all sorts of arguments none of which stand up to even cursory scrutiny. Quite. An absolute classic case of pig headed stupidity all too common in planning disputes where the building owner thinks they are above the law. Almost without exception it ends up with them losing and with a large bill. Why do they do it? I've no idea, I wouldn't. But I don't think I have a right to break the law. Mary |
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:56:59 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:51:14 -0000, "Peter Crosland" wrote: The planners can make it a condition if they wish. You then have the right of appeal to an independent inspector. Mind you that will probably be rejected. But worth doing, just to upset them! Not half as much as it will upset the appellant if the appeal fails and the council, quite rightly, ask costs and get them! Peter Crosland Why "quite rightly"? These people are jobsworths who abuse their position and restrict the freedom of the very people who pay their salaries. This is not to say that there does not need to be sensible planning control to prevent monstrosities, but quite often these people in planning departments exceed the intent of the legislation and behave arbitrarily. It would be worth the investment to put them through the wringer on the hope that they are slapped down. Are you going to do it, Andy? Reminds me of belling the cat. I seem to be all nostalgic tonight ... but not so much that I don't agree with Peter. This one isn't likely to affect me since I don't live in a conservation area. However, in the past, I have successfully mounted a campaign against the abuse of power by a planning department regarding building of an unsuitably located access road to a sports stadium in a park owned by said council. Essentially, they were acting as judge and jury in their own cause and without proper consultation with those likely to be affected by the works. Unfortunately for them, several departments screwed up. - They didn't account for the fact that the road was to be built within a specified distance of what was then a motorway. As it happened, the motorway was elevated and the other side of a railway line, but certainly at the time, the legislation was not specific. It would have required an application to the Secretary of State. - The road was to run through an avenue of protected lime trees. We approached a professor of botany at the local university who was prepared to go on record that it was likely that the excavations and traffic would damage the roots and endanger the trees. - They didn't carry out a proper traffic census. ...... and so on. Money was raised, a solicitor engaged, plus friendly reporters from the local newspapers and TV station. Councillors and the local MP were brought on board. A public meeting was arranged. An alternative plan was put together and given to the jobsworths a few days before the meeting. They came along and pretty much immediately agreed to the alternative proposal. So it is possible to stop this ridiculous abuse of power. It's a matter of having the will and presenting the case properly. Also, a way for the jobsworths to save face is helpful. Considering the case of the lady in Oxfordshire, while I don't particularly like the thought of genuine heritage items being replaced with crap, she did so with something that was convincing enough for TV use so can't have been a total monstrosity. Given that replacement with a lighter door allows her to maintain her independence in her house (not anybody else's house), I think that this should over-ride the conservation issue. The council didn't *have* to make an issue out of it, but could have acted with common sense and a degree of compassion. A sensible solution would have been for the original door to have been stored somewhere to be reinstalled at some date in the future when she no longer needs the house. It seems that the magistrate probably agreed, since the fine was only £300. -- ..andy |
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:03:01 -0000, "Peter Crosland"
wrote: She might find that once in jail, her front door was even more difficult to open! This article is typical journalistic hyperbole, it has more holes in it that net curtains. The only thing full of holes is the argument that the defendant put put up. Her reported argument is what I meant. We don't KNOW that it was actually the case. Do we? It certainly doesn't make sense. Mary The bottom line is she will end up in prison with a far bigger bill than if she had the sense to obey the law. It a long running saga that has been reported at length in The Tines and elsewhere. A Google search will reveal more. In essence her argument is that she should not have to obey the law relating to listed buildings. She has put up all sorts of arguments none of which stand up to even cursory scrutiny. An absolute classic case of pig headed stupidity all too common in planning disputes where the building owner thinks they are above the law. Almost without exception it ends up with them losing and with a large bill. Why do they do it? The lady has had polio and is in a wheelchair, Peter. She should not be put into a position of being unable to use her home. -- ..andy |
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It a long running saga that has been reported at length in The Tines and
elsewhere. A Google search will reveal more. In essence her argument is that she should not have to obey the law relating to listed buildings. She has put up all sorts of arguments none of which stand up to even cursory scrutiny. An absolute classic case of pig headed stupidity all too common in planning disputes where the building owner thinks they are above the law. Almost without exception it ends up with them losing and with a large bill. Why do they do it? The lady has had polio and is in a wheelchair, Peter. I am well aware of that. She should not be put into a position of being unable to use her home. Her disability is no excuse for breaking the law. Peter Crosland |
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In message , Peter
Crosland writes It a long running saga that has been reported at length in The Tines and elsewhere. A Google search will reveal more. In essence her argument is that she should not have to obey the law relating to listed buildings. She has put up all sorts of arguments none of which stand up to even cursory scrutiny. An absolute classic case of pig headed stupidity all too common in planning disputes where the building owner thinks they are above the law. Almost without exception it ends up with them losing and with a large bill. Why do they do it? The lady has had polio and is in a wheelchair, Peter. I am well aware of that. She should not be put into a position of being unable to use her home. Her disability is no excuse for breaking the law. Maybe one has to ask who and what the law's there to protect ? -- geoff |
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Our front window needed replacing when we moved in a couple of years
ago, as the house is in a conservation area i phoned the council and asked about fitting a upvc window, eventually they said they couldnt force me to fit a wooden window although they would prefer one to be fitted, a conservation area should not be confused with a listed building. |
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I agree about the draughtproofing - that is the reason for the apparent
perceived benefits of new draught sealed windows whatever they are made of. The double glazing contribution is small. cheers Jacob |
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Dave Fawthrop wrote: But the almost perfect draughtproofing on ours compares very well with the less than perfect version it replaced. Must save a as much money as the windows themselves. I would agree. We had 14 1970-ish steel windows replaced with d-g, at a fearsome cost. The improvement in morning comfort is remarkable though...... we don't even know now how cold it is outside until we open the front door. And no more condensation on the insides every cold morning. -- Tony Williams. |
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Capitol wrote: wrote: Helen Deborah Vecht wrote: "legin" typed Hi all, looking to put new windows in a new build that is in a recently designated conser vation area. Local conservation officer has stated that he is looking for timber windows. Given the sash style upvc ones that are available can he insist on this as I am looking for low maintenance. I doubt if anyone would be able to tell the difference unless they got close up. Annoying factor is that only one of the neighbouring six houses has the original timber windows. 4 are upvc and one is aluminium. Any views greately appreciated. If you have the vaguest interest in buildings at all then plastic windows can be spotted from half a mile! They may be low (no) maintenance but they are also highly obsolescent and will need replacing in from 5 to max 20 years. Lots of studies show that trad joinery is cheaper and lower maintenance than plastic, in the longer term. Higher initial cost but lower cost overall over time. Also adds to house value: estate agents "retaining original features" means higher value. Plastic windows are also an environmental disaster - not only spoiling the built environment but also using oil reserves and creating a waste disposal problem due to being unrecycleable and short life. The more conservation areas the better for all of us! What a total pile of opinionated crap. Do you design for "Changing rooms" in your spare time? PVC windows have a life in excess of at least 30 years in the British climate and designs can be far superior to wood. Difficult to demonstrate as the industry is barely that old. What is certainly true is that very many plastic windows aged 15 years or more have failed and been replaced. In all probability they will last for well over a century. Laughable nonsense - just take a look at the pathetic condition of a 20 year old window if you can find one. Maintenance is normally only a case of replacing the sealing rubber when it shrinks. This is true at about 5 / 10 years. Much longer than that then the replacement profiles start being un-obtainable, and all sorts of other things fail - hinges, catches and the surface of the plastic itself. Wooden windows are yesterdays technology True, and todays and tomorrows and far more expensive when total cost through the life cycle is considered. Untrue - there have been many studies of this. IME they all warp, rot, become draughty and Plastic windows also warp, deteriorate and become draughty - but are harder or impossible to repair The pvc is recyclable, the US does it. Does it? How? Anyway, why would you want to recycle something which is perfectly functional? When it is scrapped at about 20 years on. Not many real people want to live in museums, Period properties, conservation areas, listed buildings are all seen as highly desireable and this is reflected in higher prices, all over Britain. Too high IMO - my daughter recently bought a 20s brick house (with plastic windows) in a pretty village, it was about half the price of anything similar but old and stonebuilt with sash windows. A snip in fact. cheers Jacob |
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:13:27 +0000 (GMT), Tony Williams
wrote: |In article , | Dave Fawthrop wrote: | | But the almost perfect draughtproofing on ours compares very well | with the less than perfect version it replaced. Must save a as | much money as the windows themselves. | | I would agree. We had 14 1970-ish steel windows replaced | with d-g, at a fearsome cost. The improvement in morning | comfort is remarkable though...... we don't even know now | how cold it is outside until we open the front door. And | no more condensation on the insides every cold morning. We installed our Double Glazing over several years as money became available. -- Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk 17,000 free e-books at Project Gutenberg! http://www.gutenberg.net For Yorkshire Dialect go to www.hyphenologist.co.uk/songs/ |
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The planners can make it a condition if they wish. You then have the
right of appeal to an independent inspector. Mind you that will probably be rejected. But worth doing, just to upset them! Not half as much as it will upset the appellant if the appeal fails and the council, quite rightly, ask costs and get them! Peter Crosland Why "quite rightly"? Because people who make appeals that are without foundation cost the Council money to deal with. Why should the costs of their stupitity fall on taxpayers generally? These people are jobsworths who abuse their position and restrict the freedom of the very people who pay their salaries. You clearly don't understand the planning and listed building system in general, and this case in particular. The woman had unauthorised work done to a listed building. That is a matter of record. Doing, or allowing, such work top be dome is a criminal offence and nothing to do with the planners directly. Enforcement and prosecution are a matter for the Council's legal department not the planners. In the case in point the woman had a number of opportunities to rectify matters but chose not to do so. The decision to prosecute was taken after consideration by the Council. In the face of refusal to comply with the law they had little choice but to do so. All the costs fell on the culprit rather than on other Council tax payers. This is not to say that there does not need to be sensible planning control to prevent monstrosities, but quite often these people in planning departments exceed the intent of the legislation and behave arbitrarily. There is no evidence whatsoever that they behaved in anything but the correct manner. Peter Crosland |
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Dave Fawthrop wrote: We installed our Double Glazing over several years as money became available. I don't have the skill, (or the bottle), to install new windows, especially in this house. -- Tony Williams. |
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