A friend of mine is trying to discover exactly when her house was built.

The deeds don't help as it originally was a local authority house and
the deeds only start when it was sold to the private sector.

It's obvious that it was built somewhere around 1945-1950

Is there a simple way to date the house more accurately ? than that ?

Roly wrote:
A friend of mine is trying to discover exactly when her house was
built.

The deeds don't help as it originally was a local authority house and
the deeds only start when it was sold to the private sector.

It's obvious that it was built somewhere around 1945-1950

Is there a simple way to date the house more accurately ? than that ?

You could try this...problem is most of the answers you might not know?

I tried it and the house I'm in is almost to the date it gave me, due to
not knowing some of the questions.

http://www.bricksandbrass.co.uk/houseage/ageform.htm
--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

You could try this...problem is most of the answers you might not
know?

I tried it and the house I'm in is almost to the date it gave me, due
to not knowing some of the questions.

http://www.bricksandbrass.co.uk/houseage/ageform.htm

I tried this again using answers(not all filled?) from a property I used to
live in some time ago which was Victorian, I knew the age of this house
because it had the date above the door in the stonework.
The site was accurate to within 4 years of its age.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

forgot to add, click on the blue links to reveal anything your not sure of.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

Roly wrote:

A friend of mine is trying to discover exactly when her house was built.

The deeds don't help as it originally was a local authority house and
the deeds only start when it was sold to the private sector.

It's obvious that it was built somewhere around 1945-1950

Is there a simple way to date the house more accurately ? than that ?

There was on mine... the person who rendered the chiney stack in the
loft signed and dated his work ;-)

--
Cheers,

John.

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Roly wrote:
A friend of mine is trying to discover exactly when her house was built.

The deeds don't help as it originally was a local authority house and
the deeds only start when it was sold to the private sector.

It's obvious that it was built somewhere around 1945-1950

Is there a simple way to date the house more accurately ? than that ?

In the Local Studies section of her main library she should find:-

(a) Electoral rolls which will show when the first people moved in. It
helps if it was a green field site, as the road will appear at that
time. If not, she will have to look for changes in numbering which
indicate demolition and rebuilding.

(b) Council minutes which will show when they built the estate.

(c) People who probably know the answer anyway -- an e-mail may save
the visit.

Chris

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 00:03:01 GMT, (Roly) wrote:

|A friend of mine is trying to discover exactly when her house was built.
|
|The deeds don't help as it originally was a local authority house and
|the deeds only start when it was sold to the private sector.
|
|It's obvious that it was built somewhere around 1945-1950
|
|Is there a simple way to date the house more accurately ? than that ?

Go to your local library and look at old maps.
My Son in Law dated his house to a year, but he was lucky.
--
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"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 00:03:01 GMT, (Roly) wrote:

|A friend of mine is trying to discover exactly when her house was built.
|
|The deeds don't help as it originally was a local authority house and
|the deeds only start when it was sold to the private sector.
|
|It's obvious that it was built somewhere around 1945-1950
|

If it was built after 1947 then its likely the local council will have the
plans and planning permission for it. Go to the local council planning
office.

I dated mine that way.

The message
from Dave Fawthrop contains these words:

Go to your local library and look at old maps.
My Son in Law dated his house to a year, but he was lucky.

I tried that years ago. The copy Keighley Library has of the first 6"
survey is a completely illegible photocopy. The librarian was unable to
suggest any earlier maps.

The house dater isn't much use either putting my house date at 1873 with
a broad spread. (1846 - 1900). I know the mean date is wrong as the
house is named on the first 1" map of the area which was based on the
original 6" survey carried out in the main between 1844 and 1850.

--
Roger Chapman

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:27:55 GMT, Roger wrote:

|The message
|from Dave Fawthrop contains these words:
|
| Go to your local library and look at old maps.
| My Son in Law dated his house to a year, but he was lucky.
|
|I tried that years ago. The copy Keighley Library has of the first 6"
|survey is a completely illegible photocopy. The librarian was unable to
|suggest any earlier maps.

Have you tried Bradford Central Library?
Keighley is part of Bradford, officially.
From windy Shelf.
--
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For Yorkshire Dialect go to www.hyphenologist.co.uk/songs/

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 00:03:01 UTC, (Roly) wrote:

A friend of mine is trying to discover exactly when her house was built.

The deeds don't help as it originally was a local authority house and
the deeds only start when it was sold to the private sector.

It's obvious that it was built somewhere around 1945-1950

Is there a simple way to date the house more accurately ? than that ?

Go to the library and look for street directories - there should be one
for each year. That should also tell you who lived in the house, and for
how long (until they stopped publishing, or the library stopped buying).
If they're not there, ask; in our case, some of the years are kept in
another library eight miles away, although they don't relate to that
area...go figure!

--
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poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by
Avenue Supplies, http://avenuesupplies.co.uk

On 22 Jan 2006 09:50:04 GMT, "Bob Eager" wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 00:03:01 UTC, (Roly) wrote:

A friend of mine is trying to discover exactly when her house was built.

The deeds don't help as it originally was a local authority house and
the deeds only start when it was sold to the private sector.

It's obvious that it was built somewhere around 1945-1950

Is there a simple way to date the house more accurately ? than that ?

Go to the library and look for street directories - there should be one
for each year.

Electoral rolls are another source of information which might help.

--
Frank Erskine

In article ,
Roly wrote:
A friend of mine is trying to discover exactly when her house was built.

The deeds don't help as it originally was a local authority house and
the deeds only start when it was sold to the private sector.

So part of an estate?

It's obvious that it was built somewhere around 1945-1950

Is there a simple way to date the house more accurately ? than that ?

Ask the neighbours? It's possible some older ones may have been there
since new.

--
*Give me ambiguity or give me something else.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" writes:

You could try this...problem is most of the answers you might not know?

I tried it and the house I'm in is almost to the date it gave me, due to
not knowing some of the questions.

http://www.bricksandbrass.co.uk/houseage/ageform.htm

Tried it on a 1909 house, and it comes out as 1876,
with a 2% chance of being 1910.
However, some of the questions were not clear enough,
and in some cases, none of the answers was appropriate.

--
Andrew Gabriel

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
.. .
In article ,
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" writes:

You could try this...problem is most of the answers you might not know?

I tried it and the house I'm in is almost to the date it gave me, due to
not knowing some of the questions.

http://www.bricksandbrass.co.uk/houseage/ageform.htm

Tried it on a 1909 house, and it comes out as 1876,
with a 2% chance of being 1910.
However, some of the questions were not clear enough,
and in some cases, none of the answers was appropriate.

Our 1937 house came up with way earlier than that, a 2% chance of being
1934.

Not enough thought seems to be given to local building material sources.

Mary

--
Andrew Gabriel

Mary Fisher wrote:
"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
.. .
In article ,
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" writes:

You could try this...problem is most of the answers you might not
know?

I tried it and the house I'm in is almost to the date it gave me,
due to not knowing some of the questions.

http://www.bricksandbrass.co.uk/houseage/ageform.htm

Tried it on a 1909 house, and it comes out as 1876,
with a 2% chance of being 1910.
However, some of the questions were not clear enough,
and in some cases, none of the answers was appropriate.

Our 1937 house came up with way earlier than that, a 2% chance of
being 1934.

Not enough thought seems to be given to local building material
sources.

Mary

--
Andrew Gabriel

Or maybe you didn't understand some of the questions.

p.s why do you always intercept peoples sig seperator when putting your
own?
--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" writes:

You could try this...problem is most of the answers you might not
know?

I tried it and the house I'm in is almost to the date it gave me,
due to not knowing some of the questions.

http://www.bricksandbrass.co.uk/houseage/ageform.htm

Tried it on a 1909 house, and it comes out as 1876,
with a 2% chance of being 1910.
However, some of the questions were not clear enough,
and in some cases, none of the answers was appropriate.

Give us one exmple please Andrew?
--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

In article ,
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" writes:
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Tried it on a 1909 house, and it comes out as 1876,
with a 2% chance of being 1910.
However, some of the questions were not clear enough,
and in some cases, none of the answers was appropriate.

Give us one exmple please Andrew?

"Is brickwork polychromatic (multi-coloured)?"
Not clear if this was still just talking about the front
of the house, or all of it. The front is a different
colour from the rest (it uses more expensive bricks).
Is that a yes or no? I said No, as the front itself isn't
polychromatic.

"How is the porch constructed?"
Mine is both inset (without tiled walls) and has a
canopy (continuation of bay roof). There was no suitable
choice. This is a common construction.

"What is the shape of the door opening?"
I suspect this means the porch opening rather than the
door. Didn't seem to make any difference to the age though.

--
Andrew Gabriel

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
"The3rd Earl Of Derby" writes:
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Tried it on a 1909 house, and it comes out as 1876,
with a 2% chance of being 1910.
However, some of the questions were not clear enough,
and in some cases, none of the answers was appropriate.

Give us one exmple please Andrew?

"Is brickwork polychromatic (multi-coloured)?"
Not clear if this was still just talking about the front
of the house, or all of it. The front is a different
colour from the rest (it uses more expensive bricks).
Is that a yes or no? I said No, as the front itself isn't
polychromatic.


I suspect this meant all of the house?

"How is the porch constructed?"
Mine is both inset (without tiled walls) and has a
canopy (continuation of bay roof). There was no suitable
choice. This is a common construction.

"What is the shape of the door opening?"
I suspect this means the porch opening rather than the
door. Didn't seem to make any difference to the age though.

No the door would be appropriate, because the inset porch in mine was
square but the was halfround.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
but the front door was halfround. :-)
--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember (Roly)
saying something like:

Is there a simple way to date the house more accurately ? than that ?

Knock down a wall and count the rings.
--

Dave

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "The3rd Earl Of Derby"
saying something like:

http://www.bricksandbrass.co.uk/houseage/ageform.htm

I tried this again using answers(not all filled?) from a property I used to
live in some time ago which was Victorian, I knew the age of this house
because it had the date above the door in the stonework.
The site was accurate to within 4 years of its age.

That's quite neat. Similar here - an old house I had some years back
returned a date within the range I thought the house to be.
--

Dave

John Rumm typed

There was on mine... the person who rendered the chiney stack in the
loft signed and dated his work ;-)

Man next-door (semi-detached 'other half') tells me he moved in to
newly-built house in 1932.

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

"Dave Plowman (News)" typed


In article ,
Roly wrote:
A friend of mine is trying to discover exactly when her house was built.

The deeds don't help as it originally was a local authority house and
the deeds only start when it was sold to the private sector.

So part of an estate?

It's obvious that it was built somewhere around 1945-1950

Is there a simple way to date the house more accurately ? than that ?

Ask the neighbours? It's possible some older ones may have been there
since new.

Quite. Mine was.

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

In article ,
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

p.s why do you always intercept peoples sig seperator when putting your
own?

I don't you do. Your software is misdesigned and deletes the space in dash
dash space which is the sig separator. You need to use something to debug your
software or buy one that works properly.

--
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John Cartmell wrote:
In article ,
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:

p.s why do you always intercept peoples sig seperator when putting
your own?

I don't you do. Your software is misdesigned and deletes the space in
dash dash space which is the sig separator. You need to use something
to debug your software or buy one that works properly.

I know my sig seperator is borked, but thats irrelevent to my post Mary has
a tendancy to put her post in before the sig and not after it.

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

John Rumm typed

There was on mine... the person who rendered the chiney stack in
the
loft signed and dated his work ;-)

The same person must've rendered my chimney too ....)
1935 scratched into the mortar; which nicely agrees with the
title.

BTW; did the original poster not see/read/get sight of the title
papers when the house was conveyed?

--

Brian

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:18:18 GMT, "Brian Sharrock"
wrote:

|BTW; did the original poster not see/read/get sight of the title
|papers when the house was conveyed?

I *saw* my title deeds when I bought my house, but did not *read* them
until many years later when I wished to run a small business from my house,
and the Building Society got them from storage for me to read.

Exact date of building would be of little interest when buying the house,
but might well become interesting later.
--
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17,000 free e-books at Project Gutenberg! http://www.gutenberg.net
For Yorkshire Dialect go to www.hyphenologist.co.uk/songs/

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:33:02 GMT, The3rd Earl Of Derby said:

Roly wrote:
A friend of mine is trying to discover exactly when her house was
built.

The deeds don't help as it originally was a local authority house and
the deeds only start when it was sold to the private sector.

It's obvious that it was built somewhere around 1945-1950

Is there a simple way to date the house more accurately ? than that ?

You could try this...problem is most of the answers you might not know?

I tried it and the house I'm in is almost to the date it gave me, due to
not knowing some of the questions.

http://www.bricksandbrass.co.uk/houseage/ageform.htm

Our was built 1903 and the site estimated 1857 to 1906. I had to make some
educated guesses as to some of the descriptions of the terms, which
contained more terms I didn't understand!

The message
from Dave Fawthrop contains these words:

Go to your local library and look at old maps.
| My Son in Law dated his house to a year, but he was lucky.
|
|I tried that years ago. The copy Keighley Library has of the first 6"
|survey is a completely illegible photocopy. The librarian was unable to
|suggest any earlier maps.

Have you tried Bradford Central Library?

I thought about it (I have been there a time or two to consult the law
library) but I since found an image on oldmaps.co.uk that was just as
bad so I assume a good copy of the 6" no longer exists. Incidentally I
tried looking for oldmaps.co.uk earlier today but couldn't gain access
and the link from the OS site seems to have disappeared.

Keighley is part of Bradford, officially.

Only when they want money. :-(

--
Roger Chapman

"Brian Sharrock" wrote in message
...
John Rumm typed

There was on mine... the person who rendered the chiney stack in the
loft signed and dated his work ;-)

The same person must've rendered my chimney too ....)
1935 scratched into the mortar; which nicely agrees with the
title.

BTW; did the original poster not see/read/get sight of the title
papers when the house was conveyed?

We didn't see the deeds of either of our houses until the first was
compulsorily purchased (and we weren't allowed to keep them so I made a hand
written copy) and we completed the mortgage payments on the second. We're
still there.

I was disappointedwith the second, I expected some kind of formal handing
over ceremony, instead we were kept waiting on chairs in a council corridor
(it was a corporation mortgage) and eventually a teenage girl came up, asked
if we were Mr and Mrs Fisher and gave us an envelope.We could have been
anyone ... no receipt, no signing, no trumpet fanfare - bugger all.

So we went and had a drink at the Mustard Pot where a son was a barman and
tried to make a ceremony..

It was memorable only for being a non event :-(

Mary

--

Brian

Roger wrote:
Incidentally I
tried looking for oldmaps.co.uk earlier today but couldn't gain access
and the link from the OS site seems to have disappeared.

Oldmaps closed down for a while "due to too many orders" (!) but has
since returned (with a hyphen), i.e. http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ One map
from the years they have for each area is free to view, though I agree
they can be of poor quality.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/mapsheet.asp seems to have a similar
set of OS maps. http://www.yourmapsonline.org.uk/ also has a reasonably
wide selection, and there are other sites covering particular towns.
Reprints of old maps can also be bought from
http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/ and most Local Studies Centres have a
local selection for sale. Old A-Zs regularly appear for a few pounds on
eBay (the price rockets if before 1910), but unhelpfully are frequently
undated.

I didn't mention street directories listing every resident in my first
reply, as few of these resumed publication after WW2. Many earlier ones
from mid 19th to early 20th century can be seen at
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ The county-wide ones do not show
all residents, as entry was by application. If you're lucky, there may
be a local one which will show the principal householder at each
address. Be warned that renaming and renumbering streets used to be a
popular pasttime. Old directories scanned onto CD can be bought from
places such as http://www.rod-neep.co.uk/ and http://www.kellys-i.com/
but it's a bit expensive to look up just one address.

Chris

Brian Sharrock wrote:

BTW; did the original poster not see/read/get sight of the title
papers when the house was conveyed?

I am the OP .

In that posting I mentioned that the house was originally a council
house and the earliest date mentioned is when it was transferred to
private owbership in the 1980s.

There is no mention of any date between when the house was built shortly
after the war and when it was transfered to private ownership in the
1980s.

As far as the deeds are concerned, you might imagine that the house
didn't exist before the 80s.

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" writes:

I was disappointedwith the second, I expected some kind of formal handing
over ceremony, instead we were kept waiting on chairs in a council corridor
(it was a corporation mortgage) and eventually a teenage girl came up, asked
if we were Mr and Mrs Fisher and gave us an envelope.We could have been
anyone ... no receipt, no signing, no trumpet fanfare - bugger all.

Mine were posted registered post from the building society.
Postman just left them proped up against the front door, without
even bothering to ring for a signature. I found them a few hours
later.

So we went and had a drink at the Mustard Pot where a son was a barman and
tried to make a ceremony..

It was memorable only for being a non event :-(

My deeds were very interesting. I can work out the ownership of
the land back to 1640-something. Unfortunately, a few of the
documents are missing (at some point, a solicitor has numbered
them all in order, and some numbers in sequence are not present).

--
Andrew Gabriel

In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:
BTW; did the original poster not see/read/get sight of the title
papers when the house was conveyed?

We didn't see the deeds of either of our houses until the first was
compulsorily purchased (and we weren't allowed to keep them so I made a
hand written copy) and we completed the mortgage payments on the
second. We're still there.

The deeds are normally at the solicitor's office when you go in to sign
for things before buying. He/she should really explain anything unusual in
them - and you could examine them then if required. And there's no reason
why you shouldn't be given (and pay) for a copy if you want one. But of
course this wasn't easy before photocopiers.

--
*Oh, what a tangled website we weave when first we practice *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
Roly wrote:
A friend of mine is trying to discover exactly when her house was
built.

The deeds don't help as it originally was a local authority house and
the deeds only start when it was sold to the private sector.

It's obvious that it was built somewhere around 1945-1950

Is there a simple way to date the house more accurately ? than that ?

You could try this...problem is most of the answers you might not know?

I tried it and the house I'm in is almost to the date it gave me, due to
not knowing some of the questions.

http://www.bricksandbrass.co.uk/houseage/ageform.htm


I tried my 1931 house and it thought it was late Victorian.

In article
Roly wrote:
A friend of mine is trying to discover exactly when her house was built.

The deeds don't help as it originally was a local authority house and
the deeds only start when it was sold to the private sector.

It's obvious that it was built somewhere around 1945-1950

Is there a simple way to date the house more accurately ? than that ?


Ask her neighbours or the council.

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:34:38 -0000, Rob Morley
wrote:

In article
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
Roly wrote:
A friend of mine is trying to discover exactly when her house was
built.

The deeds don't help as it originally was a local authority house and
the deeds only start when it was sold to the private sector.

It's obvious that it was built somewhere around 1945-1950

Is there a simple way to date the house more accurately ? than that ?

You could try this...problem is most of the answers you might not know?

I tried it and the house I'm in is almost to the date it gave me, due to
not knowing some of the questions.

http://www.bricksandbrass.co.uk/houseage/ageform.htm


I tried my 1931 house and it thought it was late Victorian.

Ditto for my 1963 house, 1880 was the most probable date.

--
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:34:38 -0000, Rob Morley wrote:

|In article
|The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
| Roly wrote:
| A friend of mine is trying to discover exactly when her house was
| built.
|
| The deeds don't help as it originally was a local authority house and
| the deeds only start when it was sold to the private sector.
|
| It's obvious that it was built somewhere around 1945-1950
|
| Is there a simple way to date the house more accurately ? than that ?
|
| You could try this...problem is most of the answers you might not know?
|
| I tried it and the house I'm in is almost to the date it gave me, due to
| not knowing some of the questions.
|
| http://www.bricksandbrass.co.uk/houseage/ageform.htm
|
|
|I tried my 1931 house and it thought it was late Victorian.

Builders in my area, West Riding, regularly build houses of 16?? and more
often 17?? or 18?? architecture, to match existing buildings. Telling from
outside the new from the old is really quite difficult. One has to look at
the lack of weathering on the York Stone lintels and mullions. Also the
regularity of the size of the York stone blocks.
--
Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk
17,000 free e-books at Project Gutenberg! http://www.gutenberg.net
For Yorkshire Dialect go to www.hyphenologist.co.uk/songs/

Rob Morley wrote:
In article
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
Roly wrote:
A friend of mine is trying to discover exactly when her house was
built.

The deeds don't help as it originally was a local authority house
and the deeds only start when it was sold to the private sector.

It's obvious that it was built somewhere around 1945-1950

Is there a simple way to date the house more accurately ? than that
?

You could try this...problem is most of the answers you might not
know?

I tried it and the house I'm in is almost to the date it gave me,
due to not knowing some of the questions.

http://www.bricksandbrass.co.uk/houseage/ageform.htm


I tried my 1931 house and it thought it was late Victorian.

Must have been the reclaimed victorian bricks that done it.

--?
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite