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Enco quality??
I just received a set of adjustable reamers and while I do not expect them
to be as good as a chucking reamer I wanted to know from the local experts here, what I could expect in variation along the length of the reamer. The Enco stuff I got varies easily .010 if not more from top to bottom!?!?! Drop Enco and buy swiss made from now on?? Uwe |
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Uwe wrote:
I just received a set of adjustable reamers and while I do not expect them to be as good as a chucking reamer I wanted to know from the local experts here, what I could expect in variation along the length of the reamer. The Enco stuff I got varies easily .010 if not more from top to bottom!?!?! Drop Enco and buy swiss made from now on?? Uwe I just measured one of my Cleveland Steel Tool adjustable reamers. I didn't see *any* variation. Jeez, these are supposed to be what you use to get tenths accuracy. - GWE |
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Uwe sez, trollishly, " The Enco stuff I got varies easily .010 if not more
from top to bottom!?!?!" Duh! Could it be that is why they are called adjustable reamers? Bob Swinney "Uwe" wrote in message ... I just received a set of adjustable reamers and while I do not expect them to be as good as a chucking reamer I wanted to know from the local experts here, what I could expect in variation along the length of the reamer. Drop Enco and buy swiss made from now on?? Uwe |
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So adjustable means having a taper??
Uwe From: "Robert Swinney" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:36:43 -0600 Subject: Enco quality?? Uwe sez, trollishly, " The Enco stuff I got varies easily .010 if not more from top to bottom!?!?!" Duh! Could it be that is why they are called adjustable reamers? Bob Swinney "Uwe" wrote in message ... I just received a set of adjustable reamers and while I do not expect them to be as good as a chucking reamer I wanted to know from the local experts here, what I could expect in variation along the length of the reamer. Drop Enco and buy swiss made from now on?? Uwe |
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"Uwe" wrote in message ... So adjustable means having a taper?? Not specifically. It means adjustable in diameter. With Enco, it could mean, adjustable in diameter and roundness, and of undefined positive or negative taper over length. G LLoyd |
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I think Bob was having a little fun at Enco's expense, Uwe. No way they
should have a taper. However, there *are* such things as tapered reamers. But I don't think that's what you bought. GWE Uwe wrote: So adjustable means having a taper?? Uwe From: "Robert Swinney" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:36:43 -0600 Subject: Enco quality?? Uwe sez, trollishly, " The Enco stuff I got varies easily .010 if not more from top to bottom!?!?!" Duh! Could it be that is why they are called adjustable reamers? |
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In my experience, the import adjustable reamers are essentially
single-use, non-precision tools. The jam nuts are made of pot metal and they will round off and fall apart after a couple of uses. the blades are hardened, but as you found out, they may not be exactly straight. But since they only cost 1/3 as much as the good stuff, perhaps it's not a bad deal if you only need them occasionally. Enco is a strange outfit. They're owned by MSC now, and sell many of the same products at much lower prices. Uwe wrote: I just received a set of adjustable reamers and while I do not expect them to be as good as a chucking reamer I wanted to know from the local experts here, what I could expect in variation along the length of the reamer. The Enco stuff I got varies easily .010 if not more from top to bottom!?!?! Drop Enco and buy swiss made from now on?? Uwe |
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There is a slight taper at the front end for entering the hole. You have
to run the whole thing through to cut the full diameter. The adjustment allows the sizes to overlap -- until the jam nut breaks. Uwe wrote: So adjustable means having a taper?? Uwe From: "Robert Swinney" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:36:43 -0600 Subject: Enco quality?? Uwe sez, trollishly, " The Enco stuff I got varies easily .010 if not more from top to bottom!?!?!" Duh! Could it be that is why they are called adjustable reamers? Bob Swinney "Uwe" wrote in message ... I just received a set of adjustable reamers and while I do not expect them to be as good as a chucking reamer I wanted to know from the local experts here, what I could expect in variation along the length of the reamer. Drop Enco and buy swiss made from now on?? Uwe |
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Many high quality commercial reamers taper slightly (called "back taper").
This works because a reamer normally only cuts on the end. The more back taper you have, the faster the effective diameter of the reamer becomes smaller as it's sharpened. "Tim Killian" wrote in message ... There is a slight taper at the front end for entering the hole. You have to run the whole thing through to cut the full diameter. The adjustment allows the sizes to overlap -- until the jam nut breaks. Uwe wrote: So adjustable means having a taper?? Uwe From: "Robert Swinney" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:36:43 -0600 Subject: Enco quality?? Uwe sez, trollishly, " The Enco stuff I got varies easily .010 if not more from top to bottom!?!?!" Duh! Could it be that is why they are called adjustable reamers? Bob Swinney "Uwe" wrote in message ... I just received a set of adjustable reamers and while I do not expect them to be as good as a chucking reamer I wanted to know from the local experts here, what I could expect in variation along the length of the reamer. Drop Enco and buy swiss made from now on?? Uwe |
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I bought probably the same set. It was absolute junk. The taper was beyond
belief and the individual pairs of opposing cutters were not even close to the same diameter. I had them too long before discovering this to return them and threw them in the trash. -- Clif Holland, KA5IPF www.avvid.com "Uwe" wrote in message ... I just received a set of adjustable reamers and while I do not expect them to be as good as a chucking reamer I wanted to know from the local experts here, what I could expect in variation along the length of the reamer. The Enco stuff I got varies easily .010 if not more from top to bottom!?!?! Drop Enco and buy swiss made from now on?? Uwe |
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Enco Quality : Military Intelligence
-- B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/ |
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I bought one a ways back. The only thing it did well was p*ss me off. Ended up in the trash. Art On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:08:29 GMT, Uwe wrote: I just received a set of adjustable reamers and while I do not expect them to be as good as a chucking reamer I wanted to know from the local experts here, what I could expect in variation along the length of the reamer. The Enco stuff I got varies easily .010 if not more from top to bottom!?!?! Drop Enco and buy swiss made from now on?? Uwe |
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HF sells a pretty well made set that has worked well so far. I did
disassemble them all and clean up a few burrs. It's all steel and the blades are reasonably parallel for my purposes. Use them with plenty of lubricant. Bugs |
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I'd say Enco quality beats the heck outta Harbor Freight. Quick
service. But adjustable reamers? Save your money. As Art says, they end up in the trash. Bite the bullet and order "over or under" individual reamers. You will be a lot happier. Carl On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:53:40 GMT, Art wrote: I bought one a ways back. The only thing it did well was p*ss me off. Ended up in the trash. Art On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:08:29 GMT, Uwe wrote: I just received a set of adjustable reamers and while I do not expect them to be as good as a chucking reamer I wanted to know from the local experts here, what I could expect in variation along the length of the reamer. The Enco stuff I got varies easily .010 if not more from top to bottom!?!?! Drop Enco and buy swiss made from now on?? Uwe |
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Well, before I would throw the reamers in the trash I called Enco and
explained to the sales lady that I was unhappy with the reamers, having variations of up to .020. The said because they were imported the "exact precision" was not like more expensive ones, but they would exchange them. To make sure that I would be getting an improved version I asked what Enco thought would be reasonable specs on adjustable reamers. The lady was very accommodating and called around but only found out that they had reamers which were to spec in the warehouse and they would send those. I insisted to know what those specs were and after another round of phone calls she said that there were no specs on those reamers. In a way the reamers they sent me were ok then. What did I learn?? First of all, if I am foolish enough to believe that a nice set of about 10 large bore reamers can be produced and sold for around $50 my greed apparently makes me do really silly things, like order the set. Then I spend about a total of an hour on the phone, go look for packing material and prepare the stuff to be shipped back and then I hope I get a refund. Still no reamers. Did anybody say you get what you pay for!?!?! Uwe On 3/19/05 3:31 PM, in article , "CarlC" wrote: I'd say Enco quality beats the heck outta Harbor Freight. Quick service. But adjustable reamers? Save your money. As Art says, they end up in the trash. Bite the bullet and order "over or under" individual reamers. You will be a lot happier. Carl On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:53:40 GMT, Art wrote: I bought one a ways back. The only thing it did well was p*ss me off. Ended up in the trash. Art On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:08:29 GMT, Uwe wrote: I just received a set of adjustable reamers and while I do not expect them to be as good as a chucking reamer I wanted to know from the local experts here, what I could expect in variation along the length of the reamer. The Enco stuff I got varies easily .010 if not more from top to bottom!?!?! Drop Enco and buy swiss made from now on?? Uwe |
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--Remember there are two companies tied together now; MSC sells
the "real" stuff and Enco sells the crap to the uninformed amateurs. They cover all the bases that way.. -- "Steamboat Ed" Haas : Blah blah blah blah Hacking the Trailing Edge! : blah blah blah... http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- |
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ENCO quality has to be an oxymoron. Leigh @ MarMachine
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Not true really -- both catalogs list some of the exact same products.
The crappy adjustable import reamers mentioned earlier in this thread are available from MSC, and Enco sells the same high-quality slitting saw arbors as MSC, for 40% less. steamer wrote: --Remember there are two companies tied together now; MSC sells the "real" stuff and Enco sells the crap to the uninformed amateurs. They cover all the bases that way.. |
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