In article .com,
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote:

Oh boy, the fashion threat is going from bad to worse....

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...fashion_bush_d
aughters

Dude, are those ninja stars accessorizing the green dresses?
Security's gotten kinda nutty, 'eh?

Meanwhile, a billion dollars later...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._go_pr_wh/us_i
raq_weapons

"In a statement, House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California
said Bush "needs to explain to the American people why he was so wrong,
for so long, about the reasons for war." "

Forget about the explanation, how about refunding the estimated $1
billion dollars of OUR tax dollars spent on this wild goose chase?

Maybe if we're lucky when Bush and Cheney embrace at the Inauguration
Rehnquist and Tom Delay will walk too close and the sheer concentration
of evil will open a vortex to swallow them all....
But however it all turns out, we probably won't get a refund. Kinda
like getting your president at Harbor Freight.

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http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

Maybe if we're lucky when Bush and Cheney embrace at the Inauguration
Rehnquist and Tom Delay will walk too close and the sheer concentration
of evil will open a vortex to swallow them all....
But however it all turns out, we probably won't get a refund. Kinda
like getting your president at Harbor Freight.

[...democrats talkin' about the war...]

Gunner, I could have sworn you considered all of those people
incompetent. Why do you now quote them?

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net
http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:47:53 -0600, "B.B."
u wrote:

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

Maybe if we're lucky when Bush and Cheney embrace at the Inauguration
Rehnquist and Tom Delay will walk too close and the sheer concentration
of evil will open a vortex to swallow them all....
But however it all turns out, we probably won't get a refund. Kinda
like getting your president at Harbor Freight.

[...democrats talkin' about the war...]

Gunner, I could have sworn you considered all of those people
incompetent. Why do you now quote them?

Because the OP, like most Libs and many Rinos, consider this war to be
a Bush Lie. He said as much. I simply pointed out that even the Left
considered it to be the proper thing to do, up till the time it was
prosecuted by a Republican..then suddenly the tunes changed.

The point of the matter is..that its not the war they are bitching
about, but the fact that the war is being run by their political
opponents. They seem to have forgotten Bosnia, Hati and a host of
other wars that Dems have gotten us into, including Vietnam, WW2 and
so forth and because they are political hacks, partisans of the most
rabid kind..they overlook the fact that even the Dems called for it.
Even before Bush ran for election.

So the hue and cry about "Bush's lies", is simply a political ploy and
their avoidence of the fact the same beliefs about WMDs were held by
the highest members of the Dems administration, is simply disengenious
bull**** of the runny kind.

Shrug. If you dont like the war, thats cool. If you dont like Bush,
thats cool too. But to keep ranting on about alleged lies and grand
conspiracies is simply showing your ass.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

[...]

Shrug. If you dont like the war, thats cool. If you dont like Bush,
thats cool too. But to keep ranting on about alleged lies and grand
conspiracies is simply showing your ass.

I don't go for the conspiracy theories that say Bush did all of this
for oil, religion, or any other crap. But I do think he let himself
(and his whole cabinet) get sucked into an ideological bull****
argument. That he continues to defend that and other obvious mistakes
rather than fix anything is why I hate him. So, Bush's ****-ups came
first, my hating Bush came second.
For the record, I was against the war from the start and wrote off
every democrat that supported it as either a damned fool or just another
pandering politician.

--
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http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...shpost/a16499_

If you were Osama bin Laden (aka Osama bin Forgotten), would you be
tempted to crash the party?

A sidenote -
While this admisitration is unwilling to buy adequate armor for the
troops because of insufficient funding, they were able to find over $40
million for a week long party whose security costs are expected to be
at least double the party's cost. If you are a taxpayer like myself,
you are paying for the cost of security for this extraganza.

On 18 Jan 2005 09:07:41 -0800, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...shpost/a16499_

If you were Osama bin Laden (aka Osama bin Forgotten), would you be
tempted to crash the party?

So suddenly, because he's hiding in an area the size of Texas
and we haven't found him, he's "forgotten"? Yeah, right.

A sidenote -
While this admisitration is unwilling to buy adequate armor for the
troops because of insufficient funding,

You mean the funding that Kerry voted for, before he voted against?

they were able to find over $40
million for a week long party whose security costs are expected to be
at least double the party's cost. If you are a taxpayer like myself,
you are paying for the cost of security for this extraganza.

Just like we'd be paying if Kerry was being inagurated, yes.

On 18 Jan 2005 09:07:41 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...shpost/a16499_

If you were Osama bin Laden (aka Osama bin Forgotten), would you be
tempted to crash the party?

A sidenote -
While this admisitration is unwilling to buy adequate armor for the
troops because of insufficient funding, they were able to find over $40
million for a week long party whose security costs are expected to be
at least double the party's cost. If you are a taxpayer like myself,
you are paying for the cost of security for this extraganza.

Which armor is the administration not purchasing? Please be specific
and current.

Btw..can we google back and look at your outrage about the Clintion
years and their spending on partys, travel and security?
How about a couple of examples for you to mull over....

The GAO said Clinton's six-nation trip to Africa from March 22 through
April 2 last year cost $42.8 million, not counting Secret Service
expenses, salaries of government workers involved and agency planning
expenses.

A total of 1,302 government employees from 12 federal agencies or
departments, including 16 members of Congress, accompanied Clinton to
Africa. The biggest share of the cost, $37.7 million, came from the
Defense Department's budget.

White House spokesman Joe Lockhart called criticism of the African
trip "paritulcarly shortsighted," saying the senators "are trying to
find a political issue to raise and are mission the point of the whole
trip."

The GAO report also found that:

-Clinton's five-day trip to Chile in April 1998 cost $10.5 million. It
included 592 officials from 13 federal agencies or departments.

-The China trip, from June 25 through July 3 last year, cost $18.8
million and included 510 officials from 11 agencies or departments."

"Clinton had big parties, tents on the White House Lawn, and huge
formal dinners in the White House all through his eight years in
office. He never stopped wining and dining the Washington press corps.
And all that was at taxpayer expensive. Clinton is also estimated to
have spent a good part of a billion dollars flying thousands of his
hangers-on around the world at taxpayer expense. Hillary had a
government plane to campaign in at taxpayer expense, even though she
held no public office."


Partisan hacks such as yourself really need to cover your asses better
before handing out such obvious opportunities to expose you as a fool.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

Actions speak louder than hypocritical words..

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...epeacetimetilt

Martin, you know better that...when was the last time anything was
"free"?

That 40 million that you think is "free" is going to cost you and me
alot more than 40 million dollars....in our tax dollars to the
companies that are legally bribing our politicians in front of you. Do
you really think those companies would be spending that money if they
didn't already know that it was a good investment for their causes.

The cost of security for this "free" event is obscene....again coming
out of your and my pockets. The companies are not paying a dime for the
security costs this event is causing.

In these times of high deficits and wartime expenditures, the money
being squandered on this event is inexcusable whether it was a
Republican or a Democrat who was being sworn in for President.


TMT

On 19 Jan 2005 22:25:52 -0800, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

The cost of security for this "free" event is obscene....again coming
out of your and my pockets. The companies are not paying a dime for the
security costs this event is causing.

Tell me exactly how this would be a different expense if Kerry was being
inaugurated today? (show your work).

In these times of high deficits and wartime expenditures, the money
being squandered on this event is inexcusable whether it was a
Republican or a Democrat who was being sworn in for President.

Seems to me it's being spent on goods and services. Just like it
would be if your boy was on the podium today.

In article , Dave Hinz says...

Seems to me it's being spent on goods and services. Just like it
would be if your boy was on the podium today.

And tell me, with a straight face if you please, that in that
case you would not be here blubbering about it just as much?

Jim


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On 20 Jan 2005 09:11:29 -0800, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Dave Hinz says...

Seems to me it's being spent on goods and services. Just like it
would be if your boy was on the podium today.

And tell me, with a straight face if you please, that in that
case you would not be here blubbering about it just as much?

I'm not the one who brought up the topic, Jim. I also didn't
bring it up when Clinton was re-inagurated, so I guess evidence
would indicate that yes, I'm not the sort to complain about
expenses that wouldn't be any different had my candidate not won.

On 18 Jan 2005 09:07:41 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...shpost/a16499_

If you were Osama bin Laden (aka Osama bin Forgotten), would you be
tempted to crash the party?

A sidenote -
While this admisitration is unwilling to buy adequate armor for the
troops because of insufficient funding, they were able to find over $40
million for a week long party whose security costs are expected to be
at least double the party's cost. If you are a taxpayer like myself,
you are paying for the cost of security for this extraganza.


Waaaaaaaa, stop paying your taxes, show em.

Regards

Daveb

Think what you will...just remember to enjoy paying for this party for
many April 15ths to come.

As for the deficit that this Administration continues to run up, paying
that off will be the responsibility of your children.

As for this "troll" *very BIG grin*, he knows when he is getting taken
to the cleaners....do you?

And for what it is worth boys, I don't remember you being in the voting
booth with me....this is the USA, remember?

TMT

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

Martin, you know better that...when was the last time anything was
"free"?

That 40 million that you think is "free" is going to cost you and me
alot more than 40 million dollars....in our tax dollars to the
companies that are legally bribing our politicians in front of you. Do
you really think those companies would be spending that money if they
didn't already know that it was a good investment for their causes.

The cost of security for this "free" event is obscene....again coming
out of your and my pockets. The companies are not paying a dime for the
security costs this event is causing.

In these times of high deficits and wartime expenditures, the money
being squandered on this event is inexcusable whether it was a
Republican or a Democrat who was being sworn in for President.


TMT

All of the big spenders were in Arkansas not long ago with a big big party
there. Obscene money spent. Why not on the poor across the street / river...

Oh demo's - makes it just ok...

Martin

--
Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn
@ home at Lion's Lair with our computer
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder

On 19 Jan 2005 22:25:52 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

That 40 million that you think is "free" is going to cost you and me
alot more than 40 million dollars....in our tax dollars to the
companies that are legally bribing our politicians in front of you

See the bias, the bigotry and the hate spew.

Compassionate Liberalism?

Gunner

"Gunner, you are the same ridiculous liberal f--k you ever where."
Scipio

"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
om...
Too_Many_Tools wrote:

Martin, you know better that...when was the last time anything was
"free"?

That 40 million that you think is "free" is going to cost you and me
alot more than 40 million dollars....in our tax dollars to the
companies that are legally bribing our politicians in front of you. Do
you really think those companies would be spending that money if they
didn't already know that it was a good investment for their causes.

The cost of security for this "free" event is obscene....again coming
out of your and my pockets. The companies are not paying a dime for the
security costs this event is causing.

In these times of high deficits and wartime expenditures, the money
being squandered on this event is inexcusable whether it was a
Republican or a Democrat who was being sworn in for President.


TMT

All of the big spenders were in Arkansas not long ago with a big big party
there. Obscene money spent. Why not on the poor across the street /
river...

Oh demo's - makes it just ok...


Mmm. Then there is Michael "Bowling for Columbine" Moore. I guess all guns
are bad unless they are being used to protect his fat arse. In that case you
don't even need the proper permits.

Dan

On 20 Jan 2005 19:14:08 -0800, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
Think what you will...just remember to enjoy paying for this party for
many April 15ths to come.

Just like if Kerry had won, yes.

As for the deficit that this Administration continues to run up, paying
that off will be the responsibility of your children.

As opposed to Clinton's "creative financing" making it look like
he didn't have a deficit, you mean?

As for this "troll" *very BIG grin*, he knows when he is getting taken
to the cleaners....do you?

Yep. Just like if your boys had won. No difference; nothing to
see here. Besides, made for damn fine TV, didn't it?

And for what it is worth boys, I don't remember you being in the voting
booth with me....this is the USA, remember?

I'm sure you mean something by whatever that's saying?

It would seem that the Fashion Alert will be now lowered to Red....for
the red ink that will now follow.

Now that the festivities are over and our money is spent, it is time
for the Grand Old Hyprocritical Party to get to work....some things
never change.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...h_benefit_cuts

President Bush is readying a new budget that would carve savings from
Medicaid and other benefit programs...he will focus on Medicaid, the
health-care program for low-income and disabled people.....After two
straight record federal deficits that peaked at $412 billion last year,
many Republicans are eager to constrain government spending by curbing
the growth of benefits....

Rep. Jim Nussle (R) "Republicans need to wake up. You can't have tax
cuts without spending restraint and get to a balanced budget."