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OT - 50Cal. Rifle
I seen a bit on 60 Minutes on Sunday night here on the east coast that
Arnie wants to ban the purchase of the 50 Cal gun. Anybody else see this segment? (Metal content - the rifle is made of metal) Bernd |
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Yes, saw it. More of the same old stuff. Ban the legal ownership so
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:16:34 GMT, "Bernd" wrote:
I seen a bit on 60 Minutes on Sunday night here on the east coast that Arnie wants to ban the purchase of the 50 Cal gun. Anybody else see this segment? (Metal content - the rifle is made of metal) Bernd The California ban went into effect Jan 1 of this year. All current ..50s must be registered. Typical bull**** feel-goodism. A criminal pays no attention to the law, and it only effects those that have no intention of using one unlawfully in the first place. Since there have been NO incidents anywhere in the US that Im aware of with these firearms, the only need to address them was that of the Left to once again make the public think the Left was doing something For the public, rather than its usual To the public. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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As well they SHOULD be banned!!! They are WAY too much fun. As least they
should be banned from concealed carry. "Bernd" wrote in message ... I seen a bit on 60 Minutes on Sunday night here on the east coast that Arnie wants to ban the purchase of the 50 Cal gun. Anybody else see this segment? (Metal content - the rifle is made of metal) Bernd |
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Typical bull**** feel-goodism. A criminal pays no attention to the
law, and it only effects those that have no intention of using one unlawfully in the first place. Since there have been NO incidents anywhere in the US that Im aware of with these firearms, the only need to address them was that of the Left to once again make the public think the Left was doing something For the public, rather than its usual To the public. Gunner Gunner, Are you saying Arnei is a Lefty? I thought he was Right. The guy that manufactures them said the same thing that criminals pay no attention to the law. The guy that opposes the ownership of the rifle said something to the effect of terrorist getting hold of one of these and shooting down planes. It was stated that the only time that would be possible was during take off or landing. The guy that manufactures them was very good in defending the right to own one of these. I was impressed with the fire power that thing has. They showed firing it a steal targets. Boy would it be fun to own one of them. Bernd |
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"Tom Gardner" wrote in message ... As well they SHOULD be banned!!! They are WAY too much fun. As least they should be banned from concealed carry. I know your kidding there Tom. It was mentioned that it would be hard to conceal and rob a bank with it. Bernd |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:22:14 GMT, Tom Gardner wrote:
As well they SHOULD be banned!!! They are WAY too much fun. As least they should be banned from concealed carry. OK, well _that_ I guess I could agree with. |
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Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:16:34 GMT, "Bernd" wrote: I seen a bit on 60 Minutes on Sunday night here on the east coast that Arnie wants to ban the purchase of the 50 Cal gun. Anybody else see this segment? (Metal content - the rifle is made of metal) Bernd The California ban went into effect Jan 1 of this year. All current .50s must be registered. Typical bull**** feel-goodism. A criminal pays no attention to the law, and it only effects those that have no intention of using one unlawfully in the first place. Since there have been NO incidents anywhere in the US that Im aware of with these firearms, the only need to address them was that of the Left to once again make the public think the Left was doing something For the public, rather than its usual To the public. Gunner There was a close call in Beaverton, where a collector of WWII firearms went around the bend (or a guy who was around the bend started collecting). Based on some ranting comments that he had made to acquaintances the cops waited until he was out of the house to raid -- they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Not that they should be banned, IMHO. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:28:24 -0800, Tim Wescott wrote:
Gunner wrote: Typical bull**** feel-goodism. A criminal pays no attention to the law, and it only effects those that have no intention of using one unlawfully in the first place. they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Did he have a class-3 license, or was this an illegally-owned machine gun? Or, was it something that looks like a machine gun? Not that they should be banned, IMHO. Sad thing is, the press tends to not bother to make or report on these distinctions. |
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Dave Hinz wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:28:24 -0800, Tim Wescott wrote: Gunner wrote: Typical bull**** feel-goodism. A criminal pays no attention to the law, and it only effects those that have no intention of using one unlawfully in the first place. they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Did he have a class-3 license, or was this an illegally-owned machine gun? Or, was it something that looks like a machine gun? Not that they should be banned, IMHO. Sad thing is, the press tends to not bother to make or report on these distinctions. I don't know -- but he was defending his dope plants from the "new world order", if that can be considered a mitigating circumstance  .-- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room
window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Last time I looked, the 50s were bolt action. Not likely to mow down. cs |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:02:23 GMT, "Bernd" calmly
ranted: "Tom Gardner" wrote in message m... As well they SHOULD be banned!!! They are WAY too much fun. As least they should be banned from concealed carry. I know your kidding there Tom. It was mentioned that it would be hard to conceal and rob a bank with it. Wouldn't you want an Arnie Portable Minigun (think Predator movie) for that kind of thing? ================================================== ======== Save the ||| http://diversify.com Endangered SKEETS! ||| Web Application Programming ================================================== ======== |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:01:01 GMT, "Bernd" wrote:
Typical bull**** feel-goodism. A criminal pays no attention to the law, and it only effects those that have no intention of using one unlawfully in the first place. Since there have been NO incidents anywhere in the US that Im aware of with these firearms, the only need to address them was that of the Left to once again make the public think the Left was doing something For the public, rather than its usual To the public. Gunner Gunner, Are you saying Arnei is a Lefty? I thought he was Right. Arnei is a Fiscal Conservative who is just a smidge left of center. Pretty close to centrist. However..he is also a pragmatist and a practical fellow. He knew that signing the ban would make him look like a Prince to the Left, but would only truely alienate a few individuals. Much like Bush in fact. Both are intent on getting the job done, and keep the masses happy when it doesnt interfere with the job. Being a Fiscal Conservative in the Entitlement State has got to be a rough job, so he needs all the brownie points he can get when axing away at the Lefts excessive spending. While I detest what he did, I understand why he did it. It makes his position that much more effective when dealing with the spit Left. The guy that manufactures them said the same thing that criminals pay no attention to the law. The guy that opposes the ownership of the rifle said something to the effect of terrorist getting hold of one of these and shooting down planes. It was stated that the only time that would be possible was during take off or landing. The guy that manufactures them was very good in defending the right to own one of these. I was impressed with the fire power that thing has. They showed firing it a steal targets. Boy would it be fun to own one of them. Bernd They are a kick in the ass to shoot. Lots of fun and not all that expensive to shoot. About $2 or a bit less per shot. Cheaper than a lot of hunting ammunition. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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On 10 Jan 2005 16:58:59 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On 10 Jan 2005 08:57:21 -0800, wrote: Yes, saw it. More of the same old stuff. Ban the legal ownership so only the criminals will be able to own them. Did they mention that no crimes have been committed with the Barrett? It was mentioned. Mostly, the 'fraidy-cats are worried about the terrorist potential, i.e., they could knock out electrical equipment, hazardous materials storage tanks, etc. from a considerable distance. Orrin |
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Charles A. Sherwood wrote:
they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Last time I looked, the 50s were bolt action. Not likely to mow down. cs My mistake -- the newspaper only describes it as an "anti-aircraft gun". If I were _behind_ an "anti-aircraft gun" I hope that it would "mow" -- but then I don't think any WWII anti-aircraft anything could fit into your average living room so chances are the reporter knew slightly less than I do about guns. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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Charles A. Sherwood wrote:
they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Last time I looked, the 50s were bolt action. Not likely to mow down. Well, if you're shooting into a thick crowd, you're going to mow a few down with even one round, as it'll go through several people without really slowing down. |
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"Bernd" wrote in message
... "Tom Gardner" wrote in message ... As well they SHOULD be banned!!! They are WAY too much fun. As least they should be banned from concealed carry. I know your kidding there Tom. It was mentioned that it would be hard to conceal and rob a bank with it. HAHAHahahahahoho....there's the understatement of the year. g It's one of 'dem evil SNIPER rifles, Bernd. It can really reach and out and touch someone, about a mile away. Now that they're outlawed, that will keep all of the sniper/terrorists from buying them, of course. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:02:23 GMT, "Bernd" calmly ranted: "Tom Gardner" wrote in message om... As well they SHOULD be banned!!! They are WAY too much fun. As least they should be banned from concealed carry. I know your kidding there Tom. It was mentioned that it would be hard to conceal and rob a bank with it. Wouldn't you want an Arnie Portable Minigun (think Predator movie) for that kind of thing? Hold on, I thought the minigun was a Gov. Jessie Ventura accessory. Sadly, it seems that the predator himself (or the guy in the costume) is deceased, so he can never be governor. Would have kicked some ass in a place like..umm, Ohio? Also played 'Harry' in Harry and the Hendersons. Poncho would have made a good governor too... Ahh! Noo! Brain too full of useless crap! -- B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/ |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:02:23 GMT, "Bernd" wrote:
"Tom Gardner" wrote in message m... As well they SHOULD be banned!!! They are WAY too much fun. As least they should be banned from concealed carry. I know your kidding there Tom. It was mentioned that it would be hard to conceal and rob a bank with it. Reminds me of the movie "Thunderbolt and Lightfoot" I think a 20mm used in that one. Also in a large armored car heist in Canada a 20mm in the back of a van pulled infront of the armored car, the just brandished it by opening the rear door and got away with millions. DE ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Dave Hinz wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:28:24 -0800, Tim Wescott wrote: Gunner wrote: Typical bull**** feel-goodism. A criminal pays no attention to the law, and it only effects those that have no intention of using one unlawfully in the first place. they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Did he have a class-3 license, or was this an illegally-owned machine gun? Or, was it something that looks like a machine gun? Not that they should be banned, IMHO. Sad thing is, the press tends to not bother to make or report on these distinctions. And the statement " ready to mow down everyone on the street" Is that persons thought and not a known fact. Would you have it pointed at your bed or chair ? Or the guy that has been ripping off cars in the neighborhood or breaking in and beating old people down and stealing money and food. A stick in the hand isn't a deadly weapon unless it is used in that mode. Otherwise we have to cut down all of the trees. Martin -- Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn @ home at Lion's Lair with our computer NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder |
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On 11 Jan 2005 00:32:02 GMT, Ian Stirling
wrote: Charles A. Sherwood wrote: they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Last time I looked, the 50s were bolt action. Not likely to mow down. Well, if you're shooting into a thick crowd, you're going to mow a few down with even one round, as it'll go through several people without really slowing down. So will just about any deer rifle bullet. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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"Charles A. Sherwood" wrote in message ... they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Last time I looked, the 50s were bolt action. Not likely to mow down. BAR - Browning Automatic Rifle - doesn't sound like a bolt action to me. 550 rounds per minute. http://www.sproe.com/b/bar.html http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/browning.htm Bob |
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"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message m... snip------ A stick in the hand isn't a deadly weapon unless it is used in that mode. Otherwise we have to cut down all of the trees. Martin Yep! Harold |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:30:11 GMT, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote: Dave Hinz wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:28:24 -0800, Tim Wescott wrote: Gunner wrote: Typical bull**** feel-goodism. A criminal pays no attention to the law, and it only effects those that have no intention of using one unlawfully in the first place. they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Did he have a class-3 license, or was this an illegally-owned machine gun? Or, was it something that looks like a machine gun? Not that they should be banned, IMHO. Sad thing is, the press tends to not bother to make or report on these distinctions. And the statement " ready to mow down everyone on the street" Is that persons thought and not a known fact. Would you have it pointed at your bed or chair ? Or the guy that has been ripping off cars in the neighborhood or breaking in and beating old people down and stealing money and food. A stick in the hand isn't a deadly weapon unless it is used in that mode. Otherwise we have to cut down all of the trees. Martin Every man is a potential rapist. Should we all be emasculated? Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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Bob wrote:
"Charles A. Sherwood" wrote in message ... they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Last time I looked, the 50s were bolt action. Not likely to mow down. BAR - Browning Automatic Rifle - doesn't sound like a bolt action to me. 550 rounds per minute. http://www.sproe.com/b/bar.html http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/browning.htm Bob When they are owned by the Government - note I didn't say military. People can only have single shot and semi-automatic type - modified. Gosh been the law longer than the Bar was invented. Martin -- Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn @ home at Lion's Lair with our computer NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder |
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NOT a .50 cal, though. Not a tripod mounted device, either. Bipod, yes.
Barrett makes .50's in single, bolt action and semi auto. A tripod mounted ..50 would probably be an M2HB, also called a Ma Deuce. Been in use by the military for about 80 years now. Now THAT's a gun! Respectfully, Ron Moore "Bob" wrote in message ... "Charles A. Sherwood" wrote in message ... they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Last time I looked, the 50s were bolt action. Not likely to mow down. BAR - Browning Automatic Rifle - doesn't sound like a bolt action to me. 550 rounds per minute. http://www.sproe.com/b/bar.html http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/browning.htm Bob |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:37:49 -0800, Orrin Iseminger wrote:
Mostly, the 'fraidy-cats are worried about the terrorist potential, i.e., they could knock out electrical equipment, hazardous materials storage tanks, etc. from a considerable distance. The terrorists don't seem adverse to strapping explosives to themselves and detonating same where it will do a lot of harm... Maybe a ban on people would be more effective. -- The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better, so I installed RedHat. |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:15:47 -0800, "Bob"
wrote: "Charles A. Sherwood" wrote in message ... they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Last time I looked, the 50s were bolt action. Not likely to mow down. BAR - Browning Automatic Rifle - doesn't sound like a bolt action to me. 550 rounds per minute. http://www.sproe.com/b/bar.html http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/browning.htm Bob The BAR was not a .50 cal, but a 30-06. That indeed was a full auto weapon at 19 lbs. The banned .50s are any type. Single shot, bolt action or semi-automatic. I wonder if Class 3 full autos are banned? Hummmm Those btw..are known as the M2 or affectionatly..Ma Deuce. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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"Ron Moore" wrote in message news:18JEd.17662$ph.7658@okepread01... NOT a .50 cal, though. Not a tripod mounted device, either. Bipod, yes. Barrett makes .50's in single, bolt action and semi auto. A tripod mounted .50 would probably be an M2HB, also called a Ma Deuce. Been in use by the military for about 80 years now. Now THAT's a gun! Respectfully, Ron Moore Yep! My old guard outfit, the 625th MP Company, had three of them. Wicked weapons. Harold |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:28:24 -0800, Tim Wescott
wrote: Gunner wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:16:34 GMT, "Bernd" wrote: I seen a bit on 60 Minutes on Sunday night here on the east coast that Arnie wants to ban the purchase of the 50 Cal gun. Anybody else see this segment? (Metal content - the rifle is made of metal) Bernd The California ban went into effect Jan 1 of this year. All current .50s must be registered. Typical bull**** feel-goodism. A criminal pays no attention to the law, and it only effects those that have no intention of using one unlawfully in the first place. Since there have been NO incidents anywhere in the US that Im aware of with these firearms, the only need to address them was that of the Left to once again make the public think the Left was doing something For the public, rather than its usual To the public. Gunner There was a close call in Beaverton, where a collector of WWII firearms went around the bend (or a guy who was around the bend started collecting). Based on some ranting comments that he had made to acquaintances the cops waited until he was out of the house to raid -- they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Not that they should be banned, IMHO. Typical media mis-reporting, I'm afraid. That description is so garbled it's impossible to tell just what the guy had. It wasn't a Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR), since those were 30 caliber and fully automatic -- hence requiring a federal permit to own. If the guy was in fact a collector of WWII firearms, the choices of what he could possibly have had are extremely limited. About the only 50 caliber rifle made during WWII was the Boys Anti-Tank Rifle, which was bolt action, and I believe, single-shot. It was not fired from a tripod. In fact, thinking about it, there were almost no 'rifles' designed to be fired from a tripod. Which is not to say I'm damn glad someone took his ranting seriously and turned him into the cops -- and that the cops took it seriously enough to investigate. Even if all he had was a Daisy air rifle, the guy needed to be stopped. The best protection we have against the homicidal nuts among us is to pay attention and check out people who are obviously suspicious. If we did that consistently we coult cut our incidence of mass murders to just about zero. None of which reflects on the 50 caliber rifle because we don't know what the guy had. --RC "Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells 'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets fly with a club. -- John W. Cambell Jr. |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:48:31 -0800, Tim Wescott
wrote: Dave Hinz wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:28:24 -0800, Tim Wescott wrote: Gunner wrote: Typical bull**** feel-goodism. A criminal pays no attention to the law, and it only effects those that have no intention of using one unlawfully in the first place. they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Did he have a class-3 license, or was this an illegally-owned machine gun? Or, was it something that looks like a machine gun? Not that they should be banned, IMHO. Sad thing is, the press tends to not bother to make or report on these distinctions. You've got to understand that the average reporter, especially on a local newspaper is astoundingly ignorant outside of a few limited areas. Firearms identification isn't one of them. A lot of them are also extremely careless about details they consider 'unimportant'. I don't know -- but he was defending his dope plants from the "new world order", if that can be considered a mitigating circumstance .Are we sure it wasn't his speed lab? That would be more consistent. --RC "Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells 'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets fly with a club. -- John W. Cambell Jr. |
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On 10 Jan 2005 21:36:27 GMT, Ignoramus5713
wrote: My guess is that the real reason for this ban is that politicians are afraid for their own lives. i If so they're banning the wrong thing. As a criminal or terrorist weapon something like a Barrett is a joke. 50 caliber rifles are about four feet long and weigh more than 20 pounds. There is no hope of concealing one, they all kick like bloody mules and it takes an expert to do anything with one that you can't do easier and cheaper with a 30-06 deer rifle. A 50 caliber rifle can reach out a long way but that's meaningless unless you're very well trained with it because even from a rest most people can't shoot accurately enough to take advantage of the range. This is another example of the kind of hysteria anti-gunners have been manufacturing for a couple of decades based on appearence. If it looks dangerous, it must be dangerous and therefore should be banned. --RC "Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells 'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets fly with a club. -- John W. Cambell Jr. |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:13:55 -0800, Tim Wescott
wrote: Charles A. Sherwood wrote: they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Last time I looked, the 50s were bolt action. Not likely to mow down. cs My mistake -- the newspaper only describes it as an "anti-aircraft gun". If it was a working anti-aircraft gun, the guy needed a federal license to own an operating one. As for fitting it into a living room -- if it was a 20 mm or a 50 caliber class machine gun, yeah it would fit. But the story just gets fishier and fishier. --RC "Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells 'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets fly with a club. -- John W. Cambell Jr. |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:15:47 -0800, "Bob"
wrote: "Charles A. Sherwood" wrote in message ... they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Last time I looked, the 50s were bolt action. Not likely to mow down. BAR - Browning Automatic Rifle - doesn't sound like a bolt action to me. 550 rounds per minute. Nope. But it's not 50 caliber either. It's a 30 caliber light machine gun. And since it's a fully automatic weapon you need a Class III permit to own one. (We won't go into the semi-automatic versions, but they have their own drawbacks as mower-downers.) I think the description is wrong. --RC http://www.sproe.com/b/bar.html http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/browning.htm Bob "Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells 'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets fly with a club. -- John W. Cambell Jr. |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:28:17 -0700, DE
wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:02:23 GMT, "Bernd" wrote: "Tom Gardner" wrote in message om... As well they SHOULD be banned!!! They are WAY too much fun. As least they should be banned from concealed carry. I know your kidding there Tom. It was mentioned that it would be hard to conceal and rob a bank with it. Reminds me of the movie "Thunderbolt and Lightfoot" I think a 20mm used in that one. That was a 20mm Lahti anti-tank gun -- Finnish from WWII. Thing weighs about 120+ pounds and it's five or six feet long. Also in a large armored car heist in Canada a 20mm in the back of a van pulled infront of the armored car, the just brandished it by opening the rear door and got away with millions. DE There was IIRC a single case where one of these was used in a robbery -- which is what the movie was based on. Not what you'd call a major threat. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- -_RC "Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells 'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets fly with a club. -- John W. Cambell Jr. |
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Gunner wrote:
On 11 Jan 2005 00:32:02 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote: Charles A. Sherwood wrote: they found a .50 caliber BAR on a tripod aimed out his living room window, ready to mow down everyone on the street. Last time I looked, the 50s were bolt action. Not likely to mow down. Well, if you're shooting into a thick crowd, you're going to mow a few down with even one round, as it'll go through several people without really slowing down. So will just about any deer rifle bullet. True. But (given a deep crowd with a sniper firing horizontally) the .50 will go through rather more people, though perhaps not inflicting as severe injuries on the first, depending). The only place where the .50 is really 'dangerous' would be extreme-range sniper shots, or (economic)terrorist attacks. For example, shoot a round into the space shuttle SRB when it next goes up (I do not know if the exclusion area is wide enough), or high voltage transmission line insulators, or ... And banning it will stop the terrorists getting one. |
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