and my generator ain't working . Well , the power is back on now , but I
still don't know why the generator isn't putting out . Motor starts and runs
normally , but I'm not getting any power . Last time I checked it (couple of
months ago) everything was working fine but this morning at 3:00 it wasn't
....
I'll be opening up the control panel and taking the end cover off the
generator unit itself to see if there's anything I can see , maybe something
on the armature slip ring or something , maybe a loose wire . I'm open to
suggestions ...
--
Snag

On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 07:50:47 -0600
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

and my generator ain't working . Well , the power is back on now , but I
still don't know why the generator isn't putting out . Motor starts and runs
normally , but I'm not getting any power . Last time I checked it (couple of
months ago) everything was working fine but this morning at 3:00 it wasn't
...
I'll be opening up the control panel and taking the end cover off the
generator unit itself to see if there's anything I can see , maybe something
on the armature slip ring or something , maybe a loose wire . I'm open to
suggestions ...

Check the breaker, wires to the outlet on it you use regularly... all
the simple stuff first and maybe the extension cord you tried using
with it.

My mind always goes to the worst, most complicated/expensive things
first but usually it is the really simple stuff that goes bad...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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Leon Fisk wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 07:50:47 -0600
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

and my generator ain't working . Well , the power is back on now ,
but I still don't know why the generator isn't putting out . Motor
starts and runs normally , but I'm not getting any power . Last time
I checked it (couple of months ago) everything was working fine but
this morning at 3:00 it wasn't ...
I'll be opening up the control panel and taking the end cover off
the generator unit itself to see if there's anything I can see ,
maybe something on the armature slip ring or something , maybe a
loose wire . I'm open to suggestions ...

Check the breaker, wires to the outlet on it you use regularly... all
the simple stuff first and maybe the extension cord you tried using
with it.

My mind always goes to the worst, most complicated/expensive things
first but usually it is the really simple stuff that goes bad...


Breaker "feels" like it always did . I have a hookup to back feed the main
panel thru the shop sub , when I didn't get any power to the shop I plugged
a small heater unit directly into the generator panel . This thing has less
than 20 hours on it , it shouldn't be giving me any problems . I'll be
checking it out today , we never know when we'll need it .
--
Snag

BTW , this is a B&S 5500W/8500W surge OHV unit I bought to replace an
identical one that was stolen , that one ran flawlessly for well over a
hundred hours with no maintainence but oil changes and tightening an
occasional loose bolt .

"Terry Coombs" wrote in message
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Leon Fisk wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 07:50:47 -0600
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

and my generator ain't working . Well , the power is back on now
,
but I still don't know why the generator isn't putting out . Motor
starts and runs normally , but I'm not getting any power . Last
time
I checked it (couple of months ago) everything was working fine
but
this morning at 3:00 it wasn't ...
I'll be opening up the control panel and taking the end cover off
the generator unit itself to see if there's anything I can see ,
maybe something on the armature slip ring or something , maybe a
loose wire . I'm open to suggestions ...

Check the breaker, wires to the outlet on it you use regularly...
all
the simple stuff first and maybe the extension cord you tried using
with it.

My mind always goes to the worst, most complicated/expensive things
first but usually it is the really simple stuff that goes bad...


Breaker "feels" like it always did . I have a hookup to back feed
the main panel thru the shop sub , when I didn't get any power to
the shop I plugged a small heater unit directly into the generator
panel . This thing has less than 20 hours on it , it shouldn't be
giving me any problems . I'll be checking it out today , we never
know when we'll need it .
--
Snag

BTW , this is a B&S 5500W/8500W surge OHV unit I bought to replace
an identical one that was stolen , that one ran flawlessly for well
over a hundred hours with no maintainence but oil changes and
tightening an occasional loose bolt .

Early in my Army electronic training I learned to first look for loose
connections and continuity-check fuses or breakers. The instructors
heated and removed one end cap from AGC fuses and inserted paper with
"good fuse" on it, then replaced the caps. Naturally this broke the
fuse element, but the rolled paper concealed its absence.

I was the first to find it, then the instructor and I watched almost
everyone else examine and reinsert the bogus fuses and continue
troubleshooting.

Another trick was to insert a heavy but too-short piece of tinned bus
wire.

-jsw

"Leon Fisk" wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 07:50:47 -0600
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

and my generator ain't working . Well , the power is back on now ,
but I
still don't know why the generator isn't putting out . Motor starts
and runs
normally , but I'm not getting any power . Last time I checked it
(couple of
months ago) everything was working fine but this morning at 3:00 it
wasn't
...
I'll be opening up the control panel and taking the end cover off
the
generator unit itself to see if there's anything I can see , maybe
something
on the armature slip ring or something , maybe a loose wire . I'm
open to
suggestions ...

Check the breaker, wires to the outlet on it you use regularly...
all
the simple stuff first and maybe the extension cord you tried using
with it.

My mind always goes to the worst, most complicated/expensive things
first but usually it is the really simple stuff that goes bad...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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I just spent two days fussing with mine, second-hand Colemans with
annoying problems and carbs that aren't mentioned in my repair
manuals. They are tempting me to buy the smallest Honda. Has anyone
had problems with those?

-jsw

On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 09:17:40 -0500
"Jim Wilkins" wrote:

snip
I just spent two days fussing with mine, second-hand Colemans with
annoying problems and carbs that aren't mentioned in my repair
manuals. They are tempting me to buy the smallest Honda. Has anyone
had problems with those?

Ours is an old Honda eg3500 (3500 watt) unit. Must be ~25 years old now
but not a lot of running hours. You can see a few for sale via ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=honda+eg3500

Probably a little bigger than what you were looking for...

Can you just put some generic carbs on the Colemans? With the internet,
nowadays it's possible to find and figure stuff out without spending a
fortune. Probably even a youtube video with some redneck making the
switch ;-)

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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On 1/18/2016 7:50 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
and my generator ain't working . Well , the power is back on now , but I
still don't know why the generator isn't putting out . Motor starts and runs
normally , but I'm not getting any power . Last time I checked it (couple of
months ago) everything was working fine but this morning at 3:00 it wasn't
...
I'll be opening up the control panel and taking the end cover off the
generator unit itself to see if there's anything I can see , maybe something
on the armature slip ring or something , maybe a loose wire . I'm open to
suggestions ...


Look up flashing the field on a generator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECu4C__r1Qc

Loads of videos, some spin a drill to energize the field/

Mikek

On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 8:50:50 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
and my generator ain't working . Well , the power is back on now , but I
still don't know why the generator isn't putting out . Motor starts and runs
normally , but I'm not getting any power . Last time I checked it (couple of
months ago) everything was working fine but this morning at 3:00 it wasn't
...
I'll be opening up the control panel and taking the end cover off the
generator unit itself to see if there's anything I can see , maybe something
on the armature slip ring or something , maybe a loose wire . I'm open to
suggestions ...
--
Snag

Is there a capacitor in the generator? That's what was wrong with my neighbor's, back during Hurricane Sandy. That's when I learned that, for $50, you can get Grainger's to open their store any time.

https://youtu.be/zudK5HZkZEg

Probably just needs a field reflash. A lot of cheap generators won't
come up under load and the process demagnetizes the field poles.

If your generator has slip rings, momentarily touch 12 volts from a
battery to the rings. Then start the generator with no load.

If there are no slip rings (harmonically excited field), rotate the
field so that it is directly under the stator pole pieces. Connect a
12 volt battery to the output for a second, breaking the connection
rapidly. An ignition condenser between the leads to be opened will
make the stator field collapse much faster which magnetizes rotor.

If your machine has brushes, taking the end plate off is a good time
to make sure one isn't stuck in its holder.

John


On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 07:50:47 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

and my generator ain't working . Well , the power is back on now , but I
still don't know why the generator isn't putting out . Motor starts and runs
normally , but I'm not getting any power . Last time I checked it (couple of
months ago) everything was working fine but this morning at 3:00 it wasn't
...
I'll be opening up the control panel and taking the end cover off the
generator unit itself to see if there's anything I can see , maybe something
on the armature slip ring or something , maybe a loose wire . I'm open to
suggestions ...
John DeArmond
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.tnduction.com
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
See website for email address

On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 3:30:33 PM UTC-5, Neon John wrote:



John DeArmond
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.tnduction.com
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
See website for email address

This is to to any body in particular. But Neon John said the little 2 stroke generators from China are pretty good. So I bought one. It works well. No power outages since I got it. A friend claimed one needed a larger generator to keep from having power outages, but this seems to work for me.

Dan

wrote in message
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On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 3:30:33 PM UTC-5, Neon John wrote:



John DeArmond
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.tnduction.com
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
See website for email address

This is to to any body in particular. But Neon John said the little 2
stroke generators from China are pretty good. So I bought one. It
works well. No power outages since I got it. A friend claimed one
needed a larger generator to keep from having power outages, but this
seems to work for me.

Dan

=============

How loud is it?
-jsw

On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 16:48:22 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 3:30:33 PM UTC-5, Neon John wrote:



John DeArmond
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.tnduction.com
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
See website for email address

This is to to any body in particular. But Neon John said the little 2
stroke generators from China are pretty good. So I bought one. It
works well. No power outages since I got it. A friend claimed one
needed a larger generator to keep from having power outages, but this
seems to work for me.

Dan

=============

How loud is it?

LOUD ENOUGH TO KEEP THE WOLVES AWAKE.

Just Gawdawful. Some of the HFs run 91dB, too noisy for anything but
an immediate emergency. Neighbors would take a sledge hammer to it
within the hour.

--
No greater wrong can ever be done than to put a good man at the mercy
of a bad, while telling him not to defend himself or his fellows;
in no way can the success of evil be made quicker or surer.
--Theodore Roosevelt

On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 4:48:20 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 3:30:33 PM UTC-5, Neon John wrote:



John DeArmond
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.tnduction.com
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
See website for email address

This is to to any body in particular. But Neon John said the little 2
stroke generators from China are pretty good. So I bought one. It
works well. No power outages since I got it. A friend claimed one
needed a larger generator to keep from having power outages, but this
seems to work for me.

Dan

=============

How loud is it?
-jsw

Or how quiet, maybe.

On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 4:48:20 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:


How loud is it?
-jsw

Not all that loud. If it were outside and I were inside with the windows closed, it would be barely noticeable by me or my neighbors.

Dan

On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 05:15:24 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:
How loud is it?
-jsw

Not all that loud. If it were outside and I were inside with the windows closed, it would be barely noticeable by me or my neighbors.

The small generator my son & I were given is quiet, 10 metres away the
noise is hardly noticeable. This was a good score, it was broken as
it had been dropped and the fuel tank mounts were broken and the air
cleaner smashed. 2 bits of 3 x 25 strap and new bolts, a carby clead
and it runs well.
This came as part of buying a used Yanmar diesel water pump for our
fire tanker. The original fire pump's B&S motor's carby had
disintegrated with zamac rot and we cannot get a replacement in Oz and
a new one from USA is $123 + $50 postage which works out to about $250
Oz - a real rip off. I can get a new complete pump from Bunnings
for about $275.

With the Yanmar (working) pump came a Honda pump, Honda 1900w
generator, 1 Honda 10hp motor, 2 Honda 5hp, 1 with 2-1 reduction
gearbox, a Honda 3.5 hp with threaded shaft and 2 Mitsubishi 5hp
motors, all non runners.

The pump was siezed but with a pump dismantle & clean + carby
clean and new starter cord and some "Start ya *******" (ether) and a
few pulls it runs fine. No.2 son gets that to build his fire tanker.
for his 3 acre block.

The 1900W generator just needed a new cord and carby clean & tune
up + SyB, runs great. Previous owner probably too lazy or stupid to
replace the cord - will probably sell it as we already have 5kW
diesel & 2.3kW petrol generators.

The 10hp is missing the fuel tank and throttle control but afrter a
clean and temporary fuel tank it runs, all we have to do is make a new
throttle control.

The 2 x 5hp Hondas both run after cleaning carby's and swapping
them over as one carby is buggered. A new one from Hong Kong is
$15.95 delivered, same thing from Sydney is $19.95 delivered but 2
weeks faster.

The 3.5hp responded to TLS and a carby clean an now has the pump
from the B&S on it but is a bit underpowered, still, it is a spare
until we build another trailer.

We still have to work on the Mitsubishi's, that is for this
weekend.

Does anyone know where I may be able to get a carby for the 5hp
industrial B&S at a reasonable price?
Thanks,
Alan

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On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 4:48:20 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:


How loud is it?
-jsw

Not all that loud. If it were outside and I were inside with the
windows closed, it would be barely noticeable by me or my neighbors.

Dan

I took a chance on the HF 2200W inverter generator #61169, $399.99
with a coupon. Hopefully it will be unnoticeably quiet from the street
under my usual wintertime load of less than 200W and able to run the
A/C or microwave if we have a summer hurricane outage. Ideally my
APC1400 UPS will accept its output quality and recharge the batteries.
It rejects AC from the engine-governor-regulated Colemans even at its
lowest sensitivity.

I drained and examined the residual factory oil and found a few shiny
flecks and one larger black one. The ones I checked weren't magnetic.
I haven't filtered it yet to concentrate them. The oil is dark enough
to suggest they continually reuse it.

There appears to be some sort of filter or strainer above the oil
drain plug, pressed in by a spring that makes reinstalling the plug a
two oily hand job. The exploded diagram calls it a "Fuel Filter Asm."

Now, Arctic weather permitting, I have to give it a thorough checkout
while it can be returned.

-jsw