On 12/31/2015 10:19 PM, Ignoramus24995 wrote:

Common sense, general attitude towards humanity, and fairness would
all suggest that Canadian buyers are just like any other buyers.

This is the attitude that I ignorantly started off with on ebay, 15
years ago.

That attitude was SHATTERED to bits after a few bad experiences (and
zero good experiences).

I kept on selling to Canadians because, I thought, that was a fluke,
could not be anything but a fluke.

But it was not a fluke, and the nonsense, nonpayments, inane requests,
personality trips, false disputes, and such, continued unabated.

To this date, I do not understand what could possibly be the cause.

i


I knew I NEVER should have sold the factory on ebay!

On 1/1/2016 1:33 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:19:29 -0600, Ignoramus24995
wrote:

On 2015-12-31, Tom Gardner wrote:
I see, from my perspective I've watched my industry shrink in number of
players without new companies coming on line. There are really only 5
big boy players each commanding a different market segment. I had three
offers on my business when we put it on the market. Two were domestic
and one from Canada that wanted my flat wire technology and market REAL
bad. The Canadian company needed to grow and open a new market.
Canadians are weird people I found out and have a strange way of doing
things. I had a lot of frustration getting them to do things in a
timely manner and they wouldn't listen to me about how to do things and
how to relate to US customers. I thought it was just me until I spoke
with others in the industry and found out that that's just how Canadians
roll.

Since many years ago, I have a policy to never sell anything to any
Canadians. The reasons are exactly as above.

i
You must have been dealing with the wrong Canadians.

I've delt with some of the "wrong" americans too.

I don't paint( or tar) you guys all with the same brush.



Of course not, All the Canadian customers were great! Really, I only
had issues with 2 people and it will get settled the right way.

Tom Gardner wrote:

I knew I NEVER should have sold the factory on ebay!


Did you mail it to them, in a flat rate box? ;-)

Ignoramus24995 wrote:
On 2015-12-31, Tom Gardner wrote:
I did quite a few jobs after selling out the brush business. i just
suddenly got old and have no stamina left. My latest adventure was a
TIA a couple of weeks ago, scared the crap out of me. I would like to
have a play room that wasn't 25 miles away like the shop is! I still
have ideas that I'd like to build.


What is a TIA?

i

Transient Ischemic Attack - AKA mini-stroke. Basically a short term
stroke that goes away on it's own. BUT it's also a warning that you need
to get checked out because you are at a VERY high risk of a stroke.


--
Steve W.

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 02:41:59 -0500, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 12/31/2015 10:19 PM, Ignoramus24995 wrote:

Common sense, general attitude towards humanity, and fairness would
all suggest that Canadian buyers are just like any other buyers.

This is the attitude that I ignorantly started off with on ebay, 15
years ago.

That attitude was SHATTERED to bits after a few bad experiences (and
zero good experiences).

I kept on selling to Canadians because, I thought, that was a fluke,
could not be anything but a fluke.

But it was not a fluke, and the nonsense, nonpayments, inane requests,
personality trips, false disputes, and such, continued unabated.

To this date, I do not understand what could possibly be the cause.

i


I knew I NEVER should have sold the factory on ebay!

snort Aw****cerealeverywhere...

Nappy Hoo Year, All Y'All.

--
Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes.
Art is knowing which ones to keep.
-- Scott Adams, 'The Dilbert Principle'

On 2016-01-01, wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:19:29 -0600, Ignoramus24995
wrote:

On 2015-12-31, Tom Gardner wrote:
I see, from my perspective I've watched my industry shrink in number of
players without new companies coming on line. There are really only 5
big boy players each commanding a different market segment. I had three
offers on my business when we put it on the market. Two were domestic
and one from Canada that wanted my flat wire technology and market REAL
bad. The Canadian company needed to grow and open a new market.
Canadians are weird people I found out and have a strange way of doing
things. I had a lot of frustration getting them to do things in a
timely manner and they wouldn't listen to me about how to do things and
how to relate to US customers. I thought it was just me until I spoke
with others in the industry and found out that that's just how Canadians
roll.


Since many years ago, I have a policy to never sell anything to any
Canadians. The reasons are exactly as above.

i
You must have been dealing with the wrong Canadians.

I've delt with some of the "wrong" americans too.

I don't paint( or tar) you guys all with the same brush.

I posted a message about it.

Out of 12 or so experiences selling to Canada, 10 were bad
experiences.

I really do not understand how that could be the case, it makes no
sense. But it was bad enough that I decided against further testing
this question.

i

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 09:39:33 -0600, Ignoramus18273
wrote:

On 2016-01-01, wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:19:29 -0600, Ignoramus24995
wrote:

On 2015-12-31, Tom Gardner wrote:
I see, from my perspective I've watched my industry shrink in number of
players without new companies coming on line. There are really only 5
big boy players each commanding a different market segment. I had three
offers on my business when we put it on the market. Two were domestic
and one from Canada that wanted my flat wire technology and market REAL
bad. The Canadian company needed to grow and open a new market.
Canadians are weird people I found out and have a strange way of doing
things. I had a lot of frustration getting them to do things in a
timely manner and they wouldn't listen to me about how to do things and
how to relate to US customers. I thought it was just me until I spoke
with others in the industry and found out that that's just how Canadians
roll.


Since many years ago, I have a policy to never sell anything to any
Canadians. The reasons are exactly as above.

i
You must have been dealing with the wrong Canadians.

I've delt with some of the "wrong" americans too.

I don't paint( or tar) you guys all with the same brush.

I posted a message about it.

Out of 12 or so experiences selling to Canada, 10 were bad
experiences.

That sounds like my experiences with the IXOYE fish symbol on their
business cards. I've only been screwed out of money 3 times, and
every single one of those futher muckers had the fishy symbol on their
cards. I refuse to do business with those who do, and I tell them
why.


I really do not understand how that could be the case, it makes no
sense. But it was bad enough that I decided against further testing
this question.

Grok that. 3 was my limit.

--
Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes.
Art is knowing which ones to keep.
-- Scott Adams, 'The Dilbert Principle'

On 1/1/2016 4:46 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

That sounds like my experiences with the IXOYE fish symbol on their
business cards. I've only been screwed out of money 3 times, and
every single one of those futher muckers had the fishy symbol on their
cards. I refuse to do business with those who do, and I tell them
why.



Whp are the people that have this fish symbol?

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 17:48:46 -0500, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 1/1/2016 4:46 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

That sounds like my experiences with the IXOYE fish symbol on their
business cards. I've only been screwed out of money 3 times, and
every single one of those futher muckers had the fishy symbol on their
cards. I refuse to do business with those who do, and I tell them
why.



Whp are the people that have this fish symbol?

Supposed Christians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys

--
Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes.
Art is knowing which ones to keep.
-- Scott Adams, 'The Dilbert Principle'

On 01/01/16 21:46, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 09:39:33 -0600, Ignoramus18273
wrote:

On 2016-01-01, wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:19:29 -0600, Ignoramus24995
wrote:

On 2015-12-31, Tom Gardner wrote:
I see, from my perspective I've watched my industry shrink in number of
players without new companies coming on line. There are really only 5
big boy players each commanding a different market segment. I had three
offers on my business when we put it on the market. Two were domestic
and one from Canada that wanted my flat wire technology and market REAL
bad. The Canadian company needed to grow and open a new market.
Canadians are weird people I found out and have a strange way of doing
things. I had a lot of frustration getting them to do things in a
timely manner and they wouldn't listen to me about how to do things and
how to relate to US customers. I thought it was just me until I spoke
with others in the industry and found out that that's just how Canadians
roll.

Since many years ago, I have a policy to never sell anything to any
Canadians. The reasons are exactly as above.

i
You must have been dealing with the wrong Canadians.

I've delt with some of the "wrong" americans too.

I don't paint( or tar) you guys all with the same brush.
I posted a message about it.

Out of 12 or so experiences selling to Canada, 10 were bad
experiences.
That sounds like my experiences with the IXOYE fish symbol on their
business cards. I've only been screwed out of money 3 times, and
every single one of those futher muckers had the fishy symbol on their
cards. I refuse to do business with those who do, and I tell them
why.
I got screwed by a guy a I considered a mate, he and his dad claimed a
piece of mechanical design I did as their own and took it to market, a
good seller too so they or at least the son has made loads from it. Both
professed to be practising Christians and displayed that fish sign. I'm
somewhat more wary these days.


I really do not understand how that could be the case, it makes no
sense. But it was bad enough that I decided against further testing
this question.
Grok that. 3 was my limit.

--
Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes.
Art is knowing which ones to keep.
-- Scott Adams, 'The Dilbert Principle'

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 14:54:38 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 17:48:46 -0500, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 1/1/2016 4:46 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

That sounds like my experiences with the IXOYE fish symbol on their
business cards. I've only been screwed out of money 3 times, and
every single one of those futher muckers had the fishy symbol on their
cards. I refuse to do business with those who do, and I tell them
why.



Whp are the people that have this fish symbol?

Supposed Christians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys

I tend to agree. While Im not a christian, folks who put "who they
are" visa viz on their business cards do it for reasons that normal
people dont have..and using it as some "certification" tends to tell
me that they are grasping at straws..ie..their track record is less
than steller.

Gunner

On 2016-01-02, Gunner Asch wrote:
I tend to agree. While Im not a christian, folks who put "who they
are" visa viz on their business cards do it for reasons that normal
people dont have..and using it as some "certification" tends to tell
me that they are grasping at straws..ie..their track record is less
than steller.

This has been my experience as well.

i

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 20:53:11 -0600, Ignoramus18273
wrote:

On 2016-01-02, Gunner Asch wrote:
I tend to agree. While Im not a christian, folks who put "who they
are" visa viz on their business cards do it for reasons that normal
people dont have..and using it as some "certification" tends to tell
me that they are grasping at straws..ie..their track record is less
than steller.

This has been my experience as well.

i
I don't advertise my Christianity to advance my business. I do my best
to do things the way I would want them done, to treat others as I
would want to be treated, and if someone notices and asks why I do
things the way I do them, even if I could make more money doing things
differently - i tell them.

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 22:32:26 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 20:53:11 -0600, Ignoramus18273
wrote:

On 2016-01-02, Gunner Asch wrote:
I tend to agree. While Im not a christian, folks who put "who they
are" visa viz on their business cards do it for reasons that normal
people dont have..and using it as some "certification" tends to tell
me that they are grasping at straws..ie..their track record is less
than steller.

This has been my experience as well.

Ayup.


I don't advertise my Christianity to advance my business. I do my best
to do things the way I would want them done, to treat others as I
would want to be treated, and if someone notices and asks why I do
things the way I do them, even if I could make more money doing things
differently - i tell them.

Kudos. Actions speak much more loudly than words. I know some very
devout people whom I can call friends _because_ they don't push it.

Alas, too many religious people don't realize that folks can live
-without- organized religion but still be solid, upright citizens.
AAMOF, I know more good spiritual-but-not-religious people than I do
regular churchgoers.

To me, there are few things worse than unsought evangelicals. I just
had to put up a sign in my front window because they just won't quit.


--

You can't use up creativity. The more you use, the more you have.
--Oscar Wilde

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 16:15:39 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 14:54:38 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 17:48:46 -0500, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 1/1/2016 4:46 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

That sounds like my experiences with the IXOYE fish symbol on their
business cards. I've only been screwed out of money 3 times, and
every single one of those futher muckers had the fishy symbol on their
cards. I refuse to do business with those who do, and I tell them
why.



Whp are the people that have this fish symbol?

Supposed Christians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys

I tend to agree. While Im not a christian, folks who put "who they
are" visa viz on their business cards do it for reasons that normal
people dont have..and using it as some "certification" tends to tell
me that they are grasping at straws..ie..their track record is less
than steller.

Gunner
In my dealings with the "born again", I have come the conclusion the
the buisness moto is "screw everyone who has not been born again".
---

Gerry :-)}
London,Canada

On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 20:47:47 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 16:15:39 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 14:54:38 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 17:48:46 -0500, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 1/1/2016 4:46 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

That sounds like my experiences with the IXOYE fish symbol on their
business cards. I've only been screwed out of money 3 times, and
every single one of those futher muckers had the fishy symbol on their
cards. I refuse to do business with those who do, and I tell them
why.



Whp are the people that have this fish symbol?

Supposed Christians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys

I tend to agree. While Im not a christian, folks who put "who they
are" visa viz on their business cards do it for reasons that normal
people dont have..and using it as some "certification" tends to tell
me that they are grasping at straws..ie..their track record is less
than steller.

Gunner
In my dealings with the "born again", I have come the conclusion the
the buisness moto is "screw everyone who has not been born again".
---

Gerry :-)}
London,Canada

Unfortunately all too true.

On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 20:47:47 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 16:15:39 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 14:54:38 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 17:48:46 -0500, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 1/1/2016 4:46 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

That sounds like my experiences with the IXOYE fish symbol on their
business cards. I've only been screwed out of money 3 times, and
every single one of those futher muckers had the fishy symbol on their
cards. I refuse to do business with those who do, and I tell them
why.



Whp are the people that have this fish symbol?

Supposed Christians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys

I tend to agree. While Im not a christian, folks who put "who they
are" visa viz on their business cards do it for reasons that normal
people dont have..and using it as some "certification" tends to tell
me that they are grasping at straws..ie..their track record is less
than steller.

Gunner
In my dealings with the "born again", I have come the conclusion the
the buisness moto is "screw everyone who has not been born again".
---

Gerry :-)}
London,Canada
I didn't screw you on the stainless deck, did i?? Have you put it to
use yet?

There are those "eternal security" types that live by "love god and do
as you please" - they give us all a bad name.

On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 21:28:06 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 20:47:47 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 16:15:39 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 14:54:38 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 17:48:46 -0500, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 1/1/2016 4:46 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

That sounds like my experiences with the IXOYE fish symbol on their
business cards. I've only been screwed out of money 3 times, and
every single one of those futher muckers had the fishy symbol on their
cards. I refuse to do business with those who do, and I tell them
why.



Whp are the people that have this fish symbol?

Supposed Christians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys

I tend to agree. While Im not a christian, folks who put "who they
are" visa viz on their business cards do it for reasons that normal
people dont have..and using it as some "certification" tends to tell
me that they are grasping at straws..ie..their track record is less
than steller.

Gunner
In my dealings with the "born again", I have come the conclusion the
the buisness moto is "screw everyone who has not been born again".
---

Gerry :-)}
London,Canada
I didn't screw you on the stainless deck, did i?? Have you put it to
use yet?

There are those "eternal security" types that live by "love god and do
as you please" - they give us all a bad name.

The faux-conservative identity politics is getting a little nausiating
in this thread. I thought this group was unquestioningly pro-Christian
and too grown up to be bashing fish-Christians and Canadians with a
broad brush. They're certainly too old for it, anyway.

It's enough to make me give up my Republican registration, even though
they make better gin Martinis than the Democrats.

Maybe after their next election party. One more Martini for the
road...

--
Ed Huntress

On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 21:28:06 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 20:47:47 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 16:15:39 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 14:54:38 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 17:48:46 -0500, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 1/1/2016 4:46 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

That sounds like my experiences with the IXOYE fish symbol on their
business cards. I've only been screwed out of money 3 times, and
every single one of those futher muckers had the fishy symbol on their
cards. I refuse to do business with those who do, and I tell them
why.



Whp are the people that have this fish symbol?

Supposed Christians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys

I tend to agree. While Im not a christian, folks who put "who they
are" visa viz on their business cards do it for reasons that normal
people dont have..and using it as some "certification" tends to tell
me that they are grasping at straws..ie..their track record is less
than steller.

Gunner
In my dealings with the "born again", I have come the conclusion the
the buisness moto is "screw everyone who has not been born again".
---

Gerry :-)}
London,Canada
I didn't screw you on the stainless deck, did i?? Have you put it to
use yet?

There are those "eternal security" types that live by "love god and do
as you please" - they give us all a bad name.
Screwed? Most definitly not! then again, you keep private matters
somewhat private.
---

Gerry :-)}
London,Canada