I need to build well , "need" might be too strong ... some kind of plow
to pull behind my "new' tractor , and I'm thinking chisel plow . 3 or 4
blades is probably going to be the most I can pull with 17 hp , and I'm
trying to form a basic design using some old Chevy springs as the part that
holds the actual plow blade . Basic framework will likely be some 2X2 tubing
, using some high-wheel mower wheels as depth regulators (Isn't that how
they work? Wheel sets the depth?) . I'm not sure I'll even need to design a
3 point hitch to use this type of plow ...

--
Snag

On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:57:06 -0600
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

I need to build well , "need" might be too strong ... some kind of plow
to pull behind my "new' tractor , and I'm thinking chisel plow . 3 or 4
blades is probably going to be the most I can pull with 17 hp , and I'm
trying to form a basic design using some old Chevy springs as the part that
holds the actual plow blade . Basic framework will likely be some 2X2 tubing
, using some high-wheel mower wheels as depth regulators (Isn't that how
they work? Wheel sets the depth?) . I'm not sure I'll even need to design a
3 point hitch to use this type of plow ...


That's kind of a catchall term, chisel plow. Picture of a JD V-Ripper
he

http://www.ag-power.com/new-product/...e/915-v-ripper

If you're thinking of something like that (but smaller) it will still
take a lot of machine to pull it. Check out this youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwMlfMtcGP4

Note the tractor spinning/hopping around early on...

There was also one called a "soil saver". Looks like this:

http://www.equipmentlocator.com/phot...p/644432-1.jpg

Not a great picture, but you'll get the idea.

I would try copying one of these that look like what you think you
want. But, what are you hoping to accomplish with it?

Brinly has several implements made for small garden type tractors and
pretty good diagrams to get ideas from:

http://www.brinly.com/

It sounds like you want something similar to their cultivator:

http://www.brinly.com/CC_56BH.html

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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On 11/17/2014 12:55 PM, Leon Fisk wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:57:06 -0600
"Terry wrote:

I need to buildwell , "need" might be too strong ... some kind of plow
to pull behind my "new' tractor , and I'm thinking chisel plow . 3 or 4
blades is probably going to be the most I can pull with 17 hp , ...

W/ chisels, they count "shanks" not "blades". Depending on the soil,
even three is likely optimistic unless you can really weight the tractor
down. Of course, you can simply scratch the top inch...

That's kind of a catchall term, chisel plow. Picture of a JD V-Ripper
he
....
....snip for brevity...
....
I would try copying one of these that look like what you think you
want. But, what are you hoping to accomplish with it?

Brinly has several implements made for small garden type tractors and
pretty good diagrams to get ideas from:
....

The origin of the species...

http://www.asabe.org/awards-landmarks/asabe-historic-landmarks/graham-hoeme-chisel-plow-38.aspx

Fred's farmstead is about 30 mi west of us; he was in the assisted
living facility in town while my mother was there her last few years
(almost 15 yr ago now). I found a rare very early model in an equipment
boneyard up by Pratt (KS) a number of years ago and took him the
production tag as a momento. He almost teared up over it as it was from
one of the handbuilt in the farm shop of the first couple of years...

They were simply known as "Hoeme's" (pronounced "Hay-me") out here for
years.

He and his brother worked on the design for years before it was finally
a real success. It wasn't until they got in touch with a metallurgist
from the steel mill in Pueblo, CO, from whom they'd purchased shanks
that they got a suitable alloy/heat treatment that would "give" enough
to not break but yet not simply unfold if were too soft.

--

On 11/17/2014 2:21 PM, dpb wrote:
The origin of the species...

http://www.asabe.org/awards-landmarks/asabe-historic-landmarks/graham-hoeme-chisel-plow-38.aspx
....

I followed that a bit & came to wiki. One thing that it said was that
chisel plows require 10 - 15 hp PER shank/chisel! (Because they go so
deep - 8-10".)

On 11/17/2014 4:45 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
On 11/17/2014 2:21 PM, dpb wrote:
The origin of the species...

http://www.asabe.org/awards-landmarks/asabe-historic-landmarks/graham-hoeme-chisel-plow-38.aspx

...

I followed that a bit & came to wiki. One thing that it said was that
chisel plows require 10 - 15 hp PER shank/chisel! (Because they go so
deep - 8-10".)

That's possible in hard ground; pretty high for sandy ground out here.
I'd guess w/ chisel points (not sweeps or wide turning shears) 7-10 more
like it for those early versions like the picture.

We pulled a 10-ft with two extensions with an old Farmall 400 that was
about 55 belt HP. It new it was on something but could do it...

Go to heavy clay or the like and all bets are off, however...

I hadn't watched the video there before; I know exactly where the place
showing the man/boy is; it's less than 75 mi from us. Seen quite a few
of the others but don't know precisely where they are/were. Doesn't
(fortunately) bear any resemblance to that now even though we're in
another severe drought that rivals the 30s. We had our lowest recorded
here at the house since granddad homesteaded here last year including
the 30s and 50s of under 7". This year is still way under normal but
we've had a little over 10". Around us within as close as 30 miles
they've had as much a 25"; in September had a single rain within 15
miles that gave them 3 to 6" while we got 0.80".

--

"Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message
...
On 11/17/2014 2:21 PM, dpb wrote:
The origin of the species...

http://www.asabe.org/awards-landmarks/asabe-historic-landmarks/graham-hoeme-chisel-plow-38.aspx
...

I followed that a bit & came to wiki. One thing that it said was
that chisel plows require 10 - 15 hp PER shank/chisel! (Because
they go so deep - 8-10".)


http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cg...using&th=29547

On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 13:21:47 -0600, dpb wrote:

On 11/17/2014 12:55 PM, Leon Fisk wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:57:06 -0600
"Terry wrote:

I need to buildwell , "need" might be too strong ... some kind of plow
to pull behind my "new' tractor , and I'm thinking chisel plow . 3 or 4
blades is probably going to be the most I can pull with 17 hp , ...

W/ chisels, they count "shanks" not "blades". Depending on the soil,
even three is likely optimistic unless you can really weight the tractor
down. Of course, you can simply scratch the top inch...

That's kind of a catchall term, chisel plow. Picture of a JD V-Ripper
he
...
...snip for brevity...
...
I would try copying one of these that look like what you think you
want. But, what are you hoping to accomplish with it?

Brinly has several implements made for small garden type tractors and
pretty good diagrams to get ideas from:
...

The origin of the species...

http://www.asabe.org/awards-landmarks/asabe-historic-landmarks/graham-hoeme-chisel-plow-38.aspx

Fred's farmstead is about 30 mi west of us; he was in the assisted
living facility in town while my mother was there her last few years
(almost 15 yr ago now). I found a rare very early model in an equipment
boneyard up by Pratt (KS) a number of years ago and took him the
production tag as a momento. He almost teared up over it as it was from
one of the handbuilt in the farm shop of the first couple of years...

They were simply known as "Hoeme's" (pronounced "Hay-me") out here for
years.

He and his brother worked on the design for years before it was finally
a real success. It wasn't until they got in touch with a metallurgist
from the steel mill in Pueblo, CO, from whom they'd purchased shanks
that they got a suitable alloy/heat treatment that would "give" enough
to not break but yet not simply unfold if were too soft.
A neighbour back on the farm when I was a teenager used a chisel
plough and a one-way disk. We used a mouldboard plough. The chisel
really made his big tractor bark!!! I pulled 3 bottoms with a 44
Massey, and 2 with a 540 Cockshutt. , the '49 44 outpulled the
lightweight 540 almost 2:1. The neighbour had a "big" ford (I think it
was a 1965 5000 D? About half again the horsepower of the 44, which
was about half again the power of the 540.

On 11/17/2014 5:14 PM, wrote:
....

A neighbour back on the farm when I was a teenager used a chisel
plough and a one-way disk. We used a mouldboard plough. The chisel
really made his big tractor bark!!! I pulled 3 bottoms with a 44
Massey, and 2 with a 540 Cockshutt. , the '49 44 outpulled the
lightweight 540 almost 2:1. The neighbour had a "big" ford (I think it
was a 1965 5000 D? About half again the horsepower of the 44, which
was about half again the power of the 540.

The one-way was a prime factor in the Dirty-30s being so dirty -- it was
about the only tool used back then out here and while very efficient had
the distinct disadvantage in dry years and a windy climate with sandy
soil of turning all the residue over and breaking the ground up into
very fine particles. With no ground cover to speak of and no
significant clodding, wind erosion was inevitable and once started,
impossible to stop w/o serious rain and a let up of the wind long enough
to establish cover again. That didn't happen for about five years back
then.

The chisel, otoh, doesn't bury the residue and creates clods in damp
soil, even in the sand here if not done to excess. Both of those are
far more resistant to blowing.

Earliest we had when I was large enough to do anything were Farmall M
and 400. The M was roughly 45 belt hp, the 400 about 40 or so drawbar.
We also at that time had Cat 22s that did row crop work with; pulled a
3-row JD lister and cultivator with them.

After the dry 50s broke in '58, upgraded to a Case 930 wheatland (90
drawbar roughly) and Farmall 560. The latter was a real disappointment
and didn't last long before got the first 4000-series JD. Grandad had a
little WD-45 Allis he used when he got where couldn't handle the M or
400 any longer but didn't want to quit entirely. Had a full line of
3-pt 8-ft equipment for it including a spring chisel. Having so much
equipment, Dad bought a D17 and I did a _lot_ of row crop with it all
thru high school. I keep looking for a decent one of them; for
nostalgia. They're just cute plus make a real nice little front loader
tractor although now they're too short for even the small truck so don't
have hardly any functional use for one...even the JD 4440 w/ loader can
barely reach top row of tractor-trailer to load the front bales over the
drivers. It'll handle the drop bed section easily but that other 8" is
an effort--gotta' be sure to pick the base up at the very bottom edge
and hope it's not wrapped too loose...

--

On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 17:55:33 -0600, dpb wrote:

On 11/17/2014 5:14 PM, wrote:
...

A neighbour back on the farm when I was a teenager used a chisel
plough and a one-way disk. We used a mouldboard plough. The chisel
really made his big tractor bark!!! I pulled 3 bottoms with a 44
Massey, and 2 with a 540 Cockshutt. , the '49 44 outpulled the
lightweight 540 almost 2:1. The neighbour had a "big" ford (I think it
was a 1965 5000 D? About half again the horsepower of the 44, which
was about half again the power of the 540.

The one-way was a prime factor in the Dirty-30s being so dirty -- it was
about the only tool used back then out here and while very efficient had
the distinct disadvantage in dry years and a windy climate with sandy
soil of turning all the residue over and breaking the ground up into
very fine particles. With no ground cover to speak of and no
significant clodding, wind erosion was inevitable and once started,
impossible to stop w/o serious rain and a let up of the wind long enough
to establish cover again. That didn't happen for about five years back
then.

The chisel, otoh, doesn't bury the residue and creates clods in damp
soil, even in the sand here if not done to excess. Both of those are
far more resistant to blowing.

Earliest we had when I was large enough to do anything were Farmall M
and 400. The M was roughly 45 belt hp, the 400 about 40 or so drawbar.
We also at that time had Cat 22s that did row crop work with; pulled a
3-row JD lister and cultivator with them.

After the dry 50s broke in '58, upgraded to a Case 930 wheatland (90
drawbar roughly) and Farmall 560. The latter was a real disappointment
and didn't last long before got the first 4000-series JD. Grandad had a
little WD-45 Allis he used when he got where couldn't handle the M or
400 any longer but didn't want to quit entirely. Had a full line of
3-pt 8-ft equipment for it including a spring chisel. Having so much
equipment, Dad bought a D17 and I did a _lot_ of row crop with it all
thru high school. I keep looking for a decent one of them; for
nostalgia. They're just cute plus make a real nice little front loader
tractor although now they're too short for even the small truck so don't
have hardly any functional use for one...even the JD 4440 w/ loader can
barely reach top row of tractor-trailer to load the front bales over the
drivers. It'll handle the drop bed section easily but that other 8" is
an effort--gotta' be sure to pick the base up at the very bottom edge
and hope it's not wrapped too loose...
My kid brother has an old Allis D series - I think it's a 17 - about
a 1958 model?

Leon Fisk wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:57:06 -0600
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

I need to build well , "need" might be too strong ... some kind
of plow to pull behind my "new' tractor , and I'm thinking chisel
plow . 3 or 4 blades is probably going to be the most I can pull
with 17 hp , and I'm trying to form a basic design using some old
Chevy springs as the part that holds the actual plow blade . Basic
framework will likely be some 2X2 tubing , using some high-wheel
mower wheels as depth regulators (Isn't that how they work? Wheel
sets the depth?) . I'm not sure I'll even need to design a 3 point
hitch to use this type of plow ...


That's kind of a catchall term, chisel plow. Picture of a JD V-Ripper
he

http://www.ag-power.com/new-product/...e/915-v-ripper

If you're thinking of something like that (but smaller) it will still
take a lot of machine to pull it. It sounds like you want something
similar to their cultivator:

http://www.brinly.com/CC_56BH.html


Yup , that cultivator is very similar to what I have in mind . This is for
prepping my garden in spring , might see duty as a between-the-rows
cultivator too . I'll probably also use it so score the ground where I want
wild flowers and stuff planted for our bees . Not going to see really heavy
duty , at least that's not the plan now .
--
Snag

On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:41:53 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Leon Fisk wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:57:06 -0600
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

I need to build well , "need" might be too strong ... some kind
of plow to pull behind my "new' tractor , and I'm thinking chisel
plow . 3 or 4 blades is probably going to be the most I can pull
with 17 hp , and I'm trying to form a basic design using some old
Chevy springs as the part that holds the actual plow blade . Basic
framework will likely be some 2X2 tubing , using some high-wheel
mower wheels as depth regulators (Isn't that how they work? Wheel
sets the depth?) . I'm not sure I'll even need to design a 3 point
hitch to use this type of plow ...


That's kind of a catchall term, chisel plow. Picture of a JD V-Ripper
he

http://www.ag-power.com/new-product/...e/915-v-ripper

If you're thinking of something like that (but smaller) it will still
take a lot of machine to pull it. It sounds like you want something
similar to their cultivator:

http://www.brinly.com/CC_56BH.html


Yup , that cultivator is very similar to what I have in mind . This is for
prepping my garden in spring , might see duty as a between-the-rows
cultivator too . I'll probably also use it so score the ground where I want
wild flowers and stuff planted for our bees . Not going to see really heavy
duty , at least that's not the plan now .
So basically a spring tooth cultivator more than a "chisel plough"

On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:41:53 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Leon Fisk wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:57:06 -0600
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

I need to build well , "need" might be too strong ... some kind
of plow to pull behind my "new' tractor , and I'm thinking chisel
plow . 3 or 4 blades is probably going to be the most I can pull
with 17 hp , and I'm trying to form a basic design using some old
Chevy springs as the part that holds the actual plow blade . Basic
framework will likely be some 2X2 tubing , using some high-wheel
mower wheels as depth regulators (Isn't that how they work? Wheel
sets the depth?) . I'm not sure I'll even need to design a 3 point
hitch to use this type of plow ...


That's kind of a catchall term, chisel plow. Picture of a JD V-Ripper
he

http://www.ag-power.com/new-product/...e/915-v-ripper

If you're thinking of something like that (but smaller) it will still
take a lot of machine to pull it. It sounds like you want something
similar to their cultivator:

http://www.brinly.com/CC_56BH.html


Yup , that cultivator is very similar to what I have in mind . This is for
prepping my garden in spring , might see duty as a between-the-rows
cultivator too . I'll probably also use it so score the ground where I want
wild flowers and stuff planted for our bees . Not going to see really heavy
duty , at least that's not the plan now .

OT:
Whatcha planting for your bees? A client sent me a little jar of her
Lehua honey from Hawaii. Yum! Do you li'l guys produce honey for you
and do you and collect/use the beeswax? Top bar or Langstroth style
hives?

Back on topic:
Some scrap heavy duty angle iron and old leaf springs might be
cheaper, since you have extra time/less $$ now. I have a spare leaf
spring which I made into a woodsplitting tool, a froe. I was going to
make a nice, big slick (2-handed wood chisel) but Gunner gave one to
me when I was there last month. (Thanks, mon!) It's handy steel.


$199 snow plow blade, not too bad. But does your local steel scrap
yard have pieces of 48" (or 60?) pipe you could cut one from?
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Swisher-4...8749/203629508

--
I started out with nothing and
I still have most of it left!
--anon

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:41:53 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Leon Fisk wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:57:06 -0600
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

I need to build well , "need" might be too strong ... some kind
of plow to pull behind my "new' tractor , and I'm thinking chisel
plow . 3 or 4 blades is probably going to be the most I can pull
with 17 hp , and I'm trying to form a basic design using some old
Chevy springs as the part that holds the actual plow blade . Basic
framework will likely be some 2X2 tubing , using some high-wheel
mower wheels as depth regulators (Isn't that how they work? Wheel
sets the depth?) . I'm not sure I'll even need to design a 3 point
hitch to use this type of plow ...


That's kind of a catchall term, chisel plow. Picture of a JD
V-Ripper he

http://www.ag-power.com/new-product/...e/915-v-ripper

If you're thinking of something like that (but smaller) it will
still take a lot of machine to pull it. It sounds like you want
something similar to their cultivator:

http://www.brinly.com/CC_56BH.html


Yup , that cultivator is very similar to what I have in mind . This
is for prepping my garden in spring , might see duty as a
between-the-rows cultivator too . I'll probably also use it so score
the ground where I want wild flowers and stuff planted for our bees
. Not going to see really heavy duty , at least that's not the plan
now .

OT:
Whatcha planting for your bees? A client sent me a little jar of her
Lehua honey from Hawaii. Yum! Do you li'l guys produce honey for you
and do you and collect/use the beeswax? Top bar or Langstroth style
hives?


I've got several types of flowering plants , including clover , penstemon
, alyssum , and a few more I can't remember .


Back on topic:
Some scrap heavy duty angle iron and old leaf springs might be
cheaper, since you have extra time/less $$ now. I have a spare leaf
spring which I made into a woodsplitting tool, a froe. I was going to
make a nice, big slick (2-handed wood chisel) but Gunner gave one to
me when I was there last month. (Thanks, mon!) It's handy steel.

I have a pair of springs from a mid/late 70's Camaro , should have enough
to make a froe and several knives after I get what I need for the cultivator
.. I also have a selection of structural shapes , I don't think I'll need to
buy anything but maybe a pair of wheels . One pair of decent wheels can be
swapped from device to device - trailer , log dragger , cultivator . Hey , I
can only use one at a time .


$199 snow plow blade, not too bad. But does your local steel scrap
yard have pieces of 48" (or 60?) pipe you could cut one from?
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Swisher-4...8749/203629508


Not sure why you suggested a plow blade ... this machine came with a swell
front plow , with "overload springs" so it tilts when it catches on
something . It can also be locked ... I used it to plow snow off my driveway
this morning . Not that it really needed to be plowed , but I wanted to try
it out before the need was dire . I found that the hydraulics can either
lock the blade in position or let it "float" depending on how the control
lever is positioned . Power down , I can lift the front end off the ground
.... and steer with the brakes .

This has been a very imformative thread , and I appreciate the input from
all who responded . I learned a lot ...
--
Snag

"Terry Coombs" wrote in message
...
Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:41:53 -0600, "Terry Coombs"

wrote:

Back on topic:
Some scrap heavy duty angle iron and old leaf springs might be
cheaper, since you have extra time/less $$ now. I have a spare
leaf
spring which I made into a woodsplitting tool, a froe. I was going
to
make a nice, big slick (2-handed wood chisel) but Gunner gave one
to
me when I was there last month. (Thanks, mon!) It's handy steel.

I have a pair of springs from a mid/late 70's Camaro , should have
enough to make a froe and several knives after I get what I need for
the cultivator . I also have a selection of structural shapes , I
don't think I'll need to buy anything but maybe a pair of wheels .
One pair of decent wheels can be swapped from device to device -
trailer , log dragger , cultivator . Hey , I can only use one at a
time .


What color do you temper the froe to where you bent it for the handle?
-jsw

On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 20:33:41 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:41:53 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Leon Fisk wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:57:06 -0600
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

I need to build well , "need" might be too strong ... some kind
of plow to pull behind my "new' tractor , and I'm thinking chisel
plow . 3 or 4 blades is probably going to be the most I can pull
with 17 hp , and I'm trying to form a basic design using some old
Chevy springs as the part that holds the actual plow blade . Basic
framework will likely be some 2X2 tubing , using some high-wheel
mower wheels as depth regulators (Isn't that how they work? Wheel
sets the depth?) . I'm not sure I'll even need to design a 3 point
hitch to use this type of plow ...


That's kind of a catchall term, chisel plow. Picture of a JD
V-Ripper he

http://www.ag-power.com/new-product/...e/915-v-ripper

If you're thinking of something like that (but smaller) it will
still take a lot of machine to pull it. It sounds like you want
something similar to their cultivator:

http://www.brinly.com/CC_56BH.html


Yup , that cultivator is very similar to what I have in mind . This
is for prepping my garden in spring , might see duty as a
between-the-rows cultivator too . I'll probably also use it so score
the ground where I want wild flowers and stuff planted for our bees
. Not going to see really heavy duty , at least that's not the plan
now .

OT:
Whatcha planting for your bees? A client sent me a little jar of her
Lehua honey from Hawaii. Yum! Do you li'l guys produce honey for you
and do you and collect/use the beeswax? Top bar or Langstroth style
hives?


I've got several types of flowering plants , including clover , penstemon
, alyssum , and a few more I can't remember .


Back on topic:
Some scrap heavy duty angle iron and old leaf springs might be
cheaper, since you have extra time/less $$ now. I have a spare leaf
spring which I made into a woodsplitting tool, a froe. I was going to
make a nice, big slick (2-handed wood chisel) but Gunner gave one to
me when I was there last month. (Thanks, mon!) It's handy steel.

I have a pair of springs from a mid/late 70's Camaro , should have enough
to make a froe and several knives after I get what I need for the cultivator
. I also have a selection of structural shapes , I don't think I'll need to
buy anything but maybe a pair of wheels . One pair of decent wheels can be
swapped from device to device - trailer , log dragger , cultivator . Hey , I
can only use one at a time .

Whatever works!


$199 snow plow blade, not too bad. But does your local steel scrap
yard have pieces of 48" (or 60?) pipe you could cut one from?
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Swisher-4...8749/203629508


Not sure why you suggested a plow blade ... this machine came with a swell
front plow , with "overload springs" so it tilts when it catches on
something . It can also be locked ... I used it to plow snow off my driveway

I could have sworn you said you'd like to get one. My brain must have
farted on me. So solly.


this morning . Not that it really needed to be plowed , but I wanted to try
it out before the need was dire . I found that the hydraulics can either
lock the blade in position or let it "float" depending on how the control
lever is positioned . Power down , I can lift the front end off the ground
... and steer with the brakes .

This has been a very imformative thread , and I appreciate the input from
all who responded . I learned a lot ...

Yeah, fun thread. I've always wanted a tractor but haven't owned one,
yet. (Front end loader and backhoe)

--
I started out with nothing and
I still have most of it left!
--anon

On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 20:33:41 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:41:53 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Leon Fisk wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:57:06 -0600
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

I need to build well , "need" might be too strong ... some kind
of plow to pull behind my "new' tractor , and I'm thinking chisel
plow . 3 or 4 blades is probably going to be the most I can pull
with 17 hp , and I'm trying to form a basic design using some old
Chevy springs as the part that holds the actual plow blade . Basic
framework will likely be some 2X2 tubing , using some high-wheel
mower wheels as depth regulators (Isn't that how they work? Wheel
sets the depth?) . I'm not sure I'll even need to design a 3 point
hitch to use this type of plow ...


That's kind of a catchall term, chisel plow. Picture of a JD
V-Ripper he

http://www.ag-power.com/new-product/...e/915-v-ripper

If you're thinking of something like that (but smaller) it will
still take a lot of machine to pull it. It sounds like you want
something similar to their cultivator:

http://www.brinly.com/CC_56BH.html


Yup , that cultivator is very similar to what I have in mind . This
is for prepping my garden in spring , might see duty as a
between-the-rows cultivator too . I'll probably also use it so score
the ground where I want wild flowers and stuff planted for our bees
. Not going to see really heavy duty , at least that's not the plan
now .

OT:
Whatcha planting for your bees? A client sent me a little jar of her
Lehua honey from Hawaii. Yum! Do you li'l guys produce honey for you
and do you and collect/use the beeswax? Top bar or Langstroth style
hives?


I've got several types of flowering plants , including clover , penstemon
, alyssum , and a few more I can't remember .


Back on topic:
Some scrap heavy duty angle iron and old leaf springs might be
cheaper, since you have extra time/less $$ now. I have a spare leaf
spring which I made into a woodsplitting tool, a froe. I was going to
make a nice, big slick (2-handed wood chisel) but Gunner gave one to
me when I was there last month. (Thanks, mon!) It's handy steel.

I have a pair of springs from a mid/late 70's Camaro , should have enough
to make a froe and several knives after I get what I need for the cultivator
. I also have a selection of structural shapes , I don't think I'll need to
buy anything but maybe a pair of wheels . One pair of decent wheels can be
swapped from device to device - trailer , log dragger , cultivator . Hey , I
can only use one at a time .

Its been said by the Nepalese that the best Kukri knives are made from
Mercedes leaf springs. These can be found at any junk yard




$199 snow plow blade, not too bad. But does your local steel scrap
yard have pieces of 48" (or 60?) pipe you could cut one from?
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Swisher-4...8749/203629508


Not sure why you suggested a plow blade ... this machine came with a swell
front plow , with "overload springs" so it tilts when it catches on
something . It can also be locked ... I used it to plow snow off my driveway
this morning . Not that it really needed to be plowed , but I wanted to try
it out before the need was dire . I found that the hydraulics can either
lock the blade in position or let it "float" depending on how the control
lever is positioned . Power down , I can lift the front end off the ground
... and steer with the brakes .

This has been a very imformative thread , and I appreciate the input from
all who responded . I learned a lot ...

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

Larry Jaques wrote:
OT:
Whatcha planting for your bees? A client sent me a little jar of her
Lehua honey from Hawaii. Yum! Do you li'l guys produce honey for you
and do you and collect/use the beeswax? Top bar or Langstroth style
hives?


Forgot to say , I use Langstroth type hives , 2 deeps for brood and
mediums for honey production . We only have 1 hive so far , plan to split it
in the spring . I'll be selling cut-comb honey if/when we get enough to
harvest . More work for the bees than extracted honey as they must rebuild
come from scratch every time , but a lot of folks will pay a premium price .
And who knows , in a couple of years I may find it economically feasible to
start extracting some too .
--
Snag

On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 21:18:09 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
OT:
Whatcha planting for your bees? A client sent me a little jar of her
Lehua honey from Hawaii. Yum! Do you li'l guys produce honey for you
and do you and collect/use the beeswax? Top bar or Langstroth style
hives?


Forgot to say , I use Langstroth type hives , 2 deeps for brood and
mediums for honey production . We only have 1 hive so far , plan to split it
in the spring . I'll be selling cut-comb honey if/when we get enough to
harvest . More work for the bees than extracted honey as they must rebuild
come from scratch every time , but a lot of folks will pay a premium price .

Honey is going for premium prices nowadays.


And who knows , in a couple of years I may find it economically feasible to
start extracting some too .

At least for yourself, eh?

Check eBay pricing on extractors. I picked up a smoker and toolset in
case I ever start raising bees. They fascinate me.

--
I started out with nothing and
I still have most of it left!
--anon

"Terry Coombs" wrote in message
news
I need to build well , "need" might be too strong ... some kind of plow
to pull behind my "new' tractor , and I'm thinking chisel plow . 3 or 4
blades is probably going to be the most I can pull with 17 hp , and I'm
trying to form a basic design using some old Chevy springs as the part
that holds the actual plow blade . Basic framework will likely be some 2X2
tubing , using some high-wheel mower wheels as depth regulators (Isn't
that how they work? Wheel sets the depth?) . I'm not sure I'll even need
to design a 3 point hitch to use this type of plow ...

--
Snag


What type of equipment do you have now?

3 or 4 blades might be a bit optimistic unless you have an unusually low
first gear, 4wd, a lot of ballast, and light soil.

If you have a rake you might be able to make a bolt on a plow with a leaf
spring (other other suitable vertical bar) and a plow point bought cheap off
Ebay. Turn the rake bar over or remove the tines.

I did rough bed shaping for a winter garden with my rake by just removing
(turning over) most of the rake tines leaving 4 in the middle and 3 on each
end. Even with my 4wd 30HP John Deere it would spin tires if I didn't lift
the rake slightly at the end of the rows when the tractor came up over the
berm.

Next time I till and shape the garden I'm going to try 3 plow points set in
front of the rake and 8-10 inches below the tines. Yes, bought off Ebay and
mounted to leaf springs as verticals. LOL.