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On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:43:23 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: Yet they somehow ignore their problem children..say..in Chicago..who killed well over 500 people last year and maimed another 10,000 Uh, Google News says there are 144,000 stories about shootings in Chicago. Yes and? ?? Gunner, you just said that the media is ignoring the killings in Chicago. I pointed out that the media have been covering it like crazy. Can't you hold it together from one paragraph to the next anymore? -- Ed Huntress Cites? Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:45:43 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 08:54:34 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 08:55:50 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:51:34 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:37:51 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:13:48 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message news:lt87j81j3510r7udea634ggemgpotu3fud@4ax. com... Maybe never. No sex in shotguns. No man cards. Need big magazine, like big testicles. Military-style gun. Mucho macho. Look like movie poster. Man-Card gun. Ed Huntress Note the leftwinger obsession with Feel instead of Think. It's "feel" that's going to determine the political outcome. If you don't get that by now, you're dead on arrival. Think Feel is more powerful than a 30-30? Think again. It's more powerful than a .30-30 in YOUR hands, Gunner, because all you do is bluster with empty threats. I never make threats. Sure you do. You put people on the "cull" list all the time, telling them that your friends are going to kill them. My friends? Which friends might those be? Submit a list of my "friends" as you claim above. Which, of course, is an idiotic and child-like thing to say, which most people grow out of before they're 12, but, hey, that never stopped you before. d8-) Ill be waiting for that list. Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:51:23 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 08:38:20 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 08:53:26 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:23:31 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 15:43:13 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:29:09 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 14:45:11 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 13:15:14 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message news:k227j812i8iont4r5btdhv878ko9nu4bve@4a x.com... On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 12:24:55 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message news:35t6j81f4e5lrcaj2bspdnu3u54e2aniih@ 4ax.com... On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 07:58:13 -0800 (PST), wrote: The obnoxious thing about ARs, particularly of those that people have bought in the last few months, is that the big attraction is that they're the best, proven massacre guns on the civilian market. Ed Huntress Last week I stopped by the station and took a peek at the local SWAT team's gear. They've changed from HKs to those 'really ****ty' massacre guns, short barrel and full auto. The quote was: 'They're really ****ty guns for any reasonable civilian use: ammo-sensitive, requiring stunt work to shoot anywhere near the groups of a good bolt-action; terrible lock times from early in the last century, like a 1917 Enfield; in .223, one of the more useless cartridges for civilian use this side of a .25-20." Now, if you consider the work of a SWAT team to be a "reasonable civilian use," you're part of the problem. Why did you snip that out? -- Ed Huntress For Army and Marine veterans the operation of the AR-15 is instinctive when they jump out of bed from a loud noise in the night. It goes from safely unloaded to fully ready to shoot in under two seconds. Perhaps Navy and AF vets and civilians would be better off with a shotgun, though you can't slap a mag in an unloaded one by feel. I carried a .45ACP on duty too but didn't train enough with it. http://everything2.com/title/Perform...at+S.P.O.R.T.S. jsw Hmm. Marines. Camo. Slappin' mags. Shoot in two seconds. 'Sounds like candy for a mass-murdering nutcase. Which, of course, is why they use them. That's their identity. That's their attraction. And that's why, in a civilian environment, even in NORTH FREAKING CAROLINA (poll reported from HPU Survey Research Center, 2/28/13), more than half of Americans want to ban those obscene suckers. Isnt that Pesky 2nd Amendment a total pain in the ass for you Blue staters and the Media who propagandize so well? Not at all. The Second Amerndment doesn't protect them. See D.C. v. Heller. Where does it say ARs are protected? "The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be Infringed" 2nd Amendment covers it quite nicely, thank you very much. 'Fraid not. Read Heller. Read Dred Scott You mean, black people in America are not citizens? Yo need to brush up with your copy of the Big Golden Book of American History, Gunner. You definately need to brush up on Dred Scott. Ill point you to a good reference.... http://old.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel121400.shtml The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:03:03 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: Implying that .223's are good for killing first graders, what about the adults Lanza killed? How many shots did it take to kill an adult? Apparently he shot everyone multiple times. That's what the coroner said in public statements, but we still haven't seen the full police report. Oddly enough..everything on the case has been sealed closed. I wonder why? Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:03:03 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: and in the fear it provokes among some of your fellow citizens. What..you left the US for more Socialist climes? The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:31:28 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: I made my contribution 20 years ago. I can no longer support the NRA or any of the extreme gun postures. They are counterproductive and they are doomed. VBG "extreme gun postures" Eddy has decided that the 2nd Amendment is an extreme gun posture and is no longer valid. The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:31:28 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: How about working as a target instructor in the ghetto? Is that a joke? Where would you find a range, at the YMCA? d8-) https://www.google.com/search?q=ymca+rifle+range 292,000 hits The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:47:52 -0800, Gunner
wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:32:46 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:21:36 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:32:30 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 06:03:56 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 08:42:19 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:21:30 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 15:02:11 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:33:43 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 09:18:56 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 23:24:23 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 00:06:00 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 22:40:31 -0600, "RogerN" wrote: It seems the bolt carrier group is the hard to get part for AR-15's currently. I have found old Colt M16 A1 parts kits, "good to excellent" minus lower receiver and barrel (plus missing auto-sear or disconnector). Would the M16 bolt carrier group be good in an AR-15? I found some bolt carrier groups in stock for $300 but the M16 parts kits are available in the $500 - $600 range, seems to be a better value maybe. I read a review of one of these parts kits being assembled, they said it was a good shooter. RogerN Jesus. For a poodle shooter? I paid less than that for a classic Black Beauty Double in 12 gauge, and the forcing cone was even relieved for star crimps. What are you going to do with it if you ever finish it? Im sure he is going to simply "collect it". He builds it, and then collects it?? "RogernN, maker of collectible poodle-shooters." Some people collect Beanie Babies, others collect Hummel porcelein, others collect rubber bands. A "poodle shooter" has been fine for the US military (and many other nations) for 50 yrs so far. So whats your problem? Made by Roger? That's collectible?? Sure it is. Its work at least $1000. That...is collectable. Your president has made many large Gifts of them to other nations and many cartels. You mean he is a cheap ******* for handing them out like candy? They're for killing people. That's who gets them -- people who are going to kill, or threaten to kill, other people. That's what they're for, that's what they're all about, and that's why they're out there. Odd..then why are there far far more hammer deaths then AR15 deaths each year? Are you claiming that Hammers are made for killing people? Or just tryin to avoid that because it makes you look like an utter idiot? You can do a Gunner and use a .25 ACP for poking holes in your leather belt, too. That doesn't mean it's made for that job. You mean it doesnt work? You mean that's what it was made for? Read your paragraphs above and then try to figure out why you just went around in a circle. You mean a golf ball wont work as a handle end? No, idiot. I mean like hammers aren't made for killing people, anymore than .25 autos are made for punching holes in leather belts. But either one will work. Are you having trouble following your own points these days? I don't remember you being so out of it. Odd..I was thinking you were the victim of your advancing senile dementia. Well, I remember what you said, and what I said, and you don't seem to remember either. So who is looking demented here? -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:48:36 -0800, Gunner
wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:43:23 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: Yet they somehow ignore their problem children..say..in Chicago..who killed well over 500 people last year and maimed another 10,000 Uh, Google News says there are 144,000 stories about shootings in Chicago. Yes and? ?? Gunner, you just said that the media is ignoring the killings in Chicago. I pointed out that the media have been covering it like crazy. Can't you hold it together from one paragraph to the next anymore? -- Ed Huntress Cites? Sure. Trot out as many cites as you want to. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:49:46 -0800, Gunner
wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:45:43 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 08:54:34 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 08:55:50 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:51:34 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:37:51 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:13:48 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message news:lt87j81j3510r7udea634ggemgpotu3fud@4ax .com... Maybe never. No sex in shotguns. No man cards. Need big magazine, like big testicles. Military-style gun. Mucho macho. Look like movie poster. Man-Card gun. Ed Huntress Note the leftwinger obsession with Feel instead of Think. It's "feel" that's going to determine the political outcome. If you don't get that by now, you're dead on arrival. Think Feel is more powerful than a 30-30? Think again. It's more powerful than a .30-30 in YOUR hands, Gunner, because all you do is bluster with empty threats. I never make threats. Sure you do. You put people on the "cull" list all the time, telling them that your friends are going to kill them. My friends? Which friends might those be? The ones who you say are going to kill the people you put on the list. Submit a list of my "friends" as you claim above. You've never told us who they are, Gunner, just that they're going to kill the people on your "list." Which, of course, is an idiotic and child-like thing to say, which most people grow out of before they're 12, but, hey, that never stopped you before. d8-) Ill be waiting for that list. We're all waiting for you to tell us who is going to do this "culling," Gunner. So is the FBI, in all likelihood. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:52:56 -0800, Gunner
wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:51:23 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 08:38:20 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 08:53:26 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:23:31 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 15:43:13 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:29:09 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 14:45:11 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 13:15:14 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message news:k227j812i8iont4r5btdhv878ko9nu4bve@4 ax.com... On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 12:24:55 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message news:35t6j81f4e5lrcaj2bspdnu3u54e2aniih @4ax.com... On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 07:58:13 -0800 (PST), wrote: The obnoxious thing about ARs, particularly of those that people have bought in the last few months, is that the big attraction is that they're the best, proven massacre guns on the civilian market. Ed Huntress Last week I stopped by the station and took a peek at the local SWAT team's gear. They've changed from HKs to those 'really ****ty' massacre guns, short barrel and full auto. The quote was: 'They're really ****ty guns for any reasonable civilian use: ammo-sensitive, requiring stunt work to shoot anywhere near the groups of a good bolt-action; terrible lock times from early in the last century, like a 1917 Enfield; in .223, one of the more useless cartridges for civilian use this side of a .25-20." Now, if you consider the work of a SWAT team to be a "reasonable civilian use," you're part of the problem. Why did you snip that out? -- Ed Huntress For Army and Marine veterans the operation of the AR-15 is instinctive when they jump out of bed from a loud noise in the night. It goes from safely unloaded to fully ready to shoot in under two seconds. Perhaps Navy and AF vets and civilians would be better off with a shotgun, though you can't slap a mag in an unloaded one by feel. I carried a .45ACP on duty too but didn't train enough with it. http://everything2.com/title/Perform...at+S.P.O.R.T.S. jsw Hmm. Marines. Camo. Slappin' mags. Shoot in two seconds. 'Sounds like candy for a mass-murdering nutcase. Which, of course, is why they use them. That's their identity. That's their attraction. And that's why, in a civilian environment, even in NORTH FREAKING CAROLINA (poll reported from HPU Survey Research Center, 2/28/13), more than half of Americans want to ban those obscene suckers. Isnt that Pesky 2nd Amendment a total pain in the ass for you Blue staters and the Media who propagandize so well? Not at all. The Second Amerndment doesn't protect them. See D.C. v. Heller. Where does it say ARs are protected? "The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be Infringed" 2nd Amendment covers it quite nicely, thank you very much. 'Fraid not. Read Heller. Read Dred Scott You mean, black people in America are not citizens? Yo need to brush up with your copy of the Big Golden Book of American History, Gunner. You definately need to brush up on Dred Scott. Ill point you to a good reference.... http://old.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel121400.shtml On Dred Scott? I have the case right here. What would you like to know? -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:54:54 -0800, Gunner
wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:03:03 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: Implying that .223's are good for killing first graders, what about the adults Lanza killed? How many shots did it take to kill an adult? Apparently he shot everyone multiple times. That's what the coroner said in public statements, but we still haven't seen the full police report. Oddly enough..everything on the case has been sealed closed. I wonder why? 'Don't know. Do you think it's a conspiracy by the Democrats? -- Ed Huntress Gunner |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:57:49 -0800, Gunner
wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:03:03 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: and in the fear it provokes among some of your fellow citizens. What..you left the US for more Socialist climes? You snipped out the part where people want you and Justin Bieber to put your shirts back on! -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:59:28 -0800, Gunner
wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:31:28 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: I made my contribution 20 years ago. I can no longer support the NRA or any of the extreme gun postures. They are counterproductive and they are doomed. VBG "extreme gun postures" Eddy has decided that the 2nd Amendment is an extreme gun posture and is no longer valid. Is that what you snipped out? Are you claiming that's what I said? Your integrity has gone to hell, Gunner. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 19:01:56 -0800, Gunner
wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:31:28 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: How about working as a target instructor in the ghetto? Is that a joke? Where would you find a range, at the YMCA? d8-) https://www.google.com/search?q=ymca+rifle+range 292,000 hits In what ghetto is that, Gunner? Let's see, one of your Google hits is about a range in Akron, Ohio, in 1907...another is one in Sea Girt, NJ...no rifle or pistol range there for around 80 years or so....a third is about the Port Talbot YMCA winning the Glamorgan Air Rifle Target Shooting Championships in 1899, 1901, 1904, 1923 and 1937....was there a ghetto in Port Talbot? That's a fine education you've gotten from Google, Gunner. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:59:28 -0800, Gunner
wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:31:28 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: I made my contribution 20 years ago. I can no longer support the NRA or any of the extreme gun postures. They are counterproductive and they are doomed. VBG "extreme gun postures" Eddy has decided that the 2nd Amendment is an extreme gun posture and is no longer valid. Eddie has his paranoid RINO (if that) head up his ass. So why are you still talking with him? sigh -- If more sane people were armed, crazy people would get off fewer shots. Support the 2nd Amendment |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:15:43 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: My friends? Which friends might those be? The ones who you say are going to kill the people you put on the list. Submit a list of my "friends" as you claim above. You've never told us who they are, Gunner, just that they're going to kill the people on your "list." Still waiting for the list Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:27:56 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:54:54 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:03:03 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: Implying that .223's are good for killing first graders, what about the adults Lanza killed? How many shots did it take to kill an adult? Apparently he shot everyone multiple times. That's what the coroner said in public statements, but we still haven't seen the full police report. Oddly enough..everything on the case has been sealed closed. I wonder why? 'Don't know. Do you think it's a conspiracy by the Democrats? I think its very troubling. Dont you? Oh..sorry..I forget your a Demonrat. The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:29:58 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:57:49 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:03:03 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: and in the fear it provokes among some of your fellow citizens. What..you left the US for more Socialist climes? You snipped out the part where people want you and Justin Bieber to put your shirts back on! You snipped out the parts you admitted to blowing a drunken gay guy while on your California Summer of Love tour back in the early 70s Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:31:07 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:59:28 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:31:28 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: I made my contribution 20 years ago. I can no longer support the NRA or any of the extreme gun postures. They are counterproductive and they are doomed. VBG "extreme gun postures" Eddy has decided that the 2nd Amendment is an extreme gun posture and is no longer valid. Is that what you snipped out? Are you claiming that's what I said? Your integrity has gone to hell, Gunner. Damned shame you never had any Eddy. The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:08:04 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:59:28 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:31:28 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: I made my contribution 20 years ago. I can no longer support the NRA or any of the extreme gun postures. They are counterproductive and they are doomed. VBG "extreme gun postures" Eddy has decided that the 2nd Amendment is an extreme gun posture and is no longer valid. Eddie has his paranoid RINO (if that) head up his ass. So why are you still talking with him? sigh It was a tough week, and I need a dummy to slap around a little to get my anger issues squared away. With Eddy..I have it all. Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:39:44 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 19:01:56 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:31:28 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: How about working as a target instructor in the ghetto? Is that a joke? Where would you find a range, at the YMCA? d8-) https://www.google.com/search?q=ymca+rifle+range 292,000 hits In what ghetto is that, Gunner? Let's see, one of your Google hits is about a range in Akron, Ohio, in 1907...another is one in Sea Girt, NJ...no rifle or pistol range there for around 80 years or so....a third is about the Port Talbot YMCA winning the Glamorgan Air Rifle Target Shooting Championships in 1899, 1901, 1904, 1923 and 1937....was there a ghetto in Port Talbot? That's a fine education you've gotten from Google, Gunner. d8-) "Is that a joke? Where would you find a range, at the YMCA? d8-)" Sucks to be such a smarmy prick doesn't it and leave oneself so wide open doesn't it Eddie? Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:12:35 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:47:52 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:32:46 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:21:36 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:32:30 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 06:03:56 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 08:42:19 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:21:30 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 15:02:11 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:33:43 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 09:18:56 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 23:24:23 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 00:06:00 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 22:40:31 -0600, "RogerN" wrote: It seems the bolt carrier group is the hard to get part for AR-15's currently. I have found old Colt M16 A1 parts kits, "good to excellent" minus lower receiver and barrel (plus missing auto-sear or disconnector). Would the M16 bolt carrier group be good in an AR-15? I found some bolt carrier groups in stock for $300 but the M16 parts kits are available in the $500 - $600 range, seems to be a better value maybe. I read a review of one of these parts kits being assembled, they said it was a good shooter. RogerN Jesus. For a poodle shooter? I paid less than that for a classic Black Beauty Double in 12 gauge, and the forcing cone was even relieved for star crimps. What are you going to do with it if you ever finish it? Im sure he is going to simply "collect it". He builds it, and then collects it?? "RogernN, maker of collectible poodle-shooters." Some people collect Beanie Babies, others collect Hummel porcelein, others collect rubber bands. A "poodle shooter" has been fine for the US military (and many other nations) for 50 yrs so far. So whats your problem? Made by Roger? That's collectible?? Sure it is. Its work at least $1000. That...is collectable. Your president has made many large Gifts of them to other nations and many cartels. You mean he is a cheap ******* for handing them out like candy? They're for killing people. That's who gets them -- people who are going to kill, or threaten to kill, other people. That's what they're for, that's what they're all about, and that's why they're out there. Odd..then why are there far far more hammer deaths then AR15 deaths each year? Are you claiming that Hammers are made for killing people? Or just tryin to avoid that because it makes you look like an utter idiot? You can do a Gunner and use a .25 ACP for poking holes in your leather belt, too. That doesn't mean it's made for that job. You mean it doesnt work? You mean that's what it was made for? Read your paragraphs above and then try to figure out why you just went around in a circle. You mean a golf ball wont work as a handle end? No, idiot. I mean like hammers aren't made for killing people, anymore than .25 autos are made for punching holes in leather belts. But either one will work. Are you having trouble following your own points these days? I don't remember you being so out of it. Odd..I was thinking you were the victim of your advancing senile dementia. Well, I remember what you said, and what I said, and you don't seem to remember either. So who is looking demented here? You are of course. Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On 3/9/2013 10:39 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
..another is one in Sea Girt, NJ...no rifle or pistol range there for around 80 years or so. In fact, Sea Girt range is still active. You have to be National Guard or State Police to use it. Are you going to cast the hardware for your boats, Ed? Kevin Gallimore |
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 04:31:08 -0700, Gunner
wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:15:43 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: My friends? Which friends might those be? The ones who you say are going to kill the people you put on the list. Submit a list of my "friends" as you claim above. You've never told us who they are, Gunner, just that they're going to kill the people on your "list." Still waiting for the list So are we! And so is the FBI. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:31:07 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:59:28 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:31:28 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: I made my contribution 20 years ago. I can no longer support the NRA or any of the extreme gun postures. They are counterproductive and they are doomed. VBG "extreme gun postures" Eddy has decided that the 2nd Amendment is an extreme gun posture and is no longer valid. Is that what you snipped out? Are you claiming that's what I said? Your integrity has gone to hell, Gunner. What integrity? He's been CHOOSING to pay for cigarettes over his property taxes, for 24 years. Most likely the pathological lying began much earlier. If he ever had any integrity, it disappeared about the same time as Jimmy Hoffa. |
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 04:32:02 -0700, Gunner
wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:27:56 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:54:54 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:03:03 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: Implying that .223's are good for killing first graders, what about the adults Lanza killed? How many shots did it take to kill an adult? Apparently he shot everyone multiple times. That's what the coroner said in public statements, but we still haven't seen the full police report. Oddly enough..everything on the case has been sealed closed. I wonder why? 'Don't know. Do you think it's a conspiracy by the Democrats? I think its very troubling. They're starting to work out the psychology of people like you, to figure out why you're so paranoid. It may be genetic: http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/...0771360537375/ Dont you? Oh..sorry..I forget your a Demonrat. No, YOU'RE the Democrat, if you've been telling us the truth. I'm the Real Republican. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:35:51 -0400, axolotl
wrote: On 3/9/2013 10:39 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: .another is one in Sea Girt, NJ...no rifle or pistol range there for around 80 years or so. In fact, Sea Girt range is still active. You have to be National Guard or State Police to use it. Ah, so there's a range at the old National Guard Training Center. Not open to the public. I've never set foot in there. In any case, if you follow the thread back, I'm supposed to train ghetto kids to shoot there. Not likely. g Are you going to cast the hardware for your boats, Ed? They won't have much hardware on them, Kevin. But that's getting ahead of myself. I already have rowlocks (not "oarlocks," please! That's for landlubbers. g), some of which my uncle cast in the school shop 60 years ago. If I ever get around to building a sailboat, it won't be fancy. Kevin Gallimore |
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 04:36:28 -0700, Gunner
wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:39:44 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 19:01:56 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:31:28 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: How about working as a target instructor in the ghetto? Is that a joke? Where would you find a range, at the YMCA? d8-) https://www.google.com/search?q=ymca+rifle+range 292,000 hits In what ghetto is that, Gunner? Let's see, one of your Google hits is about a range in Akron, Ohio, in 1907...another is one in Sea Girt, NJ...no rifle or pistol range there for around 80 years or so....a third is about the Port Talbot YMCA winning the Glamorgan Air Rifle Target Shooting Championships in 1899, 1901, 1904, 1923 and 1937....was there a ghetto in Port Talbot? That's a fine education you've gotten from Google, Gunner. d8-) "Is that a joke? Where would you find a range, at the YMCA? d8-)" In a ghetto? -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 06:58:37 -0700, whoyakidding's ghost
wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:31:07 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:59:28 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:31:28 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: I made my contribution 20 years ago. I can no longer support the NRA or any of the extreme gun postures. They are counterproductive and they are doomed. VBG "extreme gun postures" Eddy has decided that the 2nd Amendment is an extreme gun posture and is no longer valid. Is that what you snipped out? Are you claiming that's what I said? Your integrity has gone to hell, Gunner. What integrity? He's been CHOOSING to pay for cigarettes over his property taxes, for 24 years. Most likely the pathological lying began much earlier. If he ever had any integrity, it disappeared about the same time as Jimmy Hoffa. I think it started downhill when he broke the world speed record for Hobie Cats. g -- Ed Huntress |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
... On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:54:54 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:03:03 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: Implying that .223's are good for killing first graders, what about the adults Lanza killed? How many shots did it take to kill an adult? Apparently he shot everyone multiple times. That's what the coroner said in public statements, but we still haven't seen the full police report. Oddly enough..everything on the case has been sealed closed. I wonder why? 'Don't know. Do you think it's a conspiracy by the Democrats? -- Ed Huntress Sealed closed, just like "Fast and Furious"? Nothing to be suspicious about, here, have some more kool-aid. RogerN |
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"RogerN" wrote in message
... Sealed closed, just like "Fast and Furious"? Nothing to be suspicious about, here, have some more kool-aid. RogerN They drink haterade. |
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 11:19:31 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:54:54 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:03:03 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: Implying that .223's are good for killing first graders, what about the adults Lanza killed? How many shots did it take to kill an adult? Apparently he shot everyone multiple times. That's what the coroner said in public statements, but we still haven't seen the full police report. Oddly enough..everything on the case has been sealed closed. I wonder why? 'Don't know. Do you think it's a conspiracy by the Democrats? -- Ed Huntress Sealed closed, just like "Fast and Furious"? Nothing to be suspicious about, here, have some more kool-aid. RogerN So, you think that the Newtown police are conspiring to keep the facts of the case from the public? Why would they do that? And what do you think they're keeping hidden? -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:27:38 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 04:32:02 -0700, Gunner wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:27:56 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:54:54 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:03:03 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: Implying that .223's are good for killing first graders, what about the adults Lanza killed? How many shots did it take to kill an adult? Apparently he shot everyone multiple times. That's what the coroner said in public statements, but we still haven't seen the full police report. Oddly enough..everything on the case has been sealed closed. I wonder why? 'Don't know. Do you think it's a conspiracy by the Democrats? I think its very troubling. They're starting to work out the psychology of people like you, to figure out why you're so paranoid. It may be genetic: Like me? Interesting that Im not a crazed and frightened anti-gun kook isnt it? I go any damned place I want. Why wouldnt I? Im armed. http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/...0771360537375/ Yes yes..and its been long proven that Lefties are mentally ill. You demonstrate it with each post. Dont you? Oh..sorry..I forget your a Demonrat. No, YOU'RE the Democrat, if you've been telling us the truth. I'm the Real Republican. d8-) Of course Im a Democrat. You are a Demonrat. That RINO label you wear means absolutely nothing unless you live in New England spit Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:41:53 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 06:58:37 -0700, whoyakidding's ghost wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:31:07 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:59:28 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:31:28 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: I made my contribution 20 years ago. I can no longer support the NRA or any of the extreme gun postures. They are counterproductive and they are doomed. VBG "extreme gun postures" Eddy has decided that the 2nd Amendment is an extreme gun posture and is no longer valid. Is that what you snipped out? Are you claiming that's what I said? Your integrity has gone to hell, Gunner. What integrity? He's been CHOOSING to pay for cigarettes over his property taxes, for 24 years. Most likely the pathological lying began much earlier. If he ever had any integrity, it disappeared about the same time as Jimmy Hoffa. I think it started downhill when he broke the world speed record for Hobie Cats. g Really? Would that be like you claiming to be a Conservative? Snicker..laugh laugh laugh!! The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:07:53 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 11:19:31 -0500, "RogerN" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:54:54 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:03:03 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: Implying that .223's are good for killing first graders, what about the adults Lanza killed? How many shots did it take to kill an adult? Apparently he shot everyone multiple times. That's what the coroner said in public statements, but we still haven't seen the full police report. Oddly enough..everything on the case has been sealed closed. I wonder why? 'Don't know. Do you think it's a conspiracy by the Democrats? -- Ed Huntress Sealed closed, just like "Fast and Furious"? Nothing to be suspicious about, here, have some more kool-aid. RogerN So, you think that the Newtown police are conspiring to keep the facts of the case from the public? Why would they do that? And what do you think they're keeping hidden? Very good question. And the media is asking it. And not getting any answers. Why would a open and shut case be sealed closed? Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:46:44 -0700, Gunner
wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:27:38 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 04:32:02 -0700, Gunner wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:27:56 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:54:54 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:03:03 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: Implying that .223's are good for killing first graders, what about the adults Lanza killed? How many shots did it take to kill an adult? Apparently he shot everyone multiple times. That's what the coroner said in public statements, but we still haven't seen the full police report. Oddly enough..everything on the case has been sealed closed. I wonder why? 'Don't know. Do you think it's a conspiracy by the Democrats? I think its very troubling. They're starting to work out the psychology of people like you, to figure out why you're so paranoid. It may be genetic: Like me? Interesting that Im not a crazed and frightened anti-gun kook isnt it? I go any damned place I want. Why wouldnt I? Im armed. So you're not afraid because you have a gun. Otherwise, you'd be afrain, right? http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/...0771360537375/ Yes yes..and its been long proven that Lefties are mentally ill. You demonstrate it with each post. Dont you? Oh..sorry..I forget your a Demonrat. No, YOU'RE the Democrat, if you've been telling us the truth. I'm the Real Republican. d8-) Of course Im a Democrat. You are a Demonrat. That RINO label you wear means absolutely nothing unless you live in New England spit Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:54:16 -0700, Gunner
wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:07:53 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 11:19:31 -0500, "RogerN" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:54:54 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:03:03 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: Implying that .223's are good for killing first graders, what about the adults Lanza killed? How many shots did it take to kill an adult? Apparently he shot everyone multiple times. That's what the coroner said in public statements, but we still haven't seen the full police report. Oddly enough..everything on the case has been sealed closed. I wonder why? 'Don't know. Do you think it's a conspiracy by the Democrats? -- Ed Huntress Sealed closed, just like "Fast and Furious"? Nothing to be suspicious about, here, have some more kool-aid. RogerN So, you think that the Newtown police are conspiring to keep the facts of the case from the public? Why would they do that? And what do you think they're keeping hidden? Very good question. And the media is asking it. And not getting any answers. When did you start agreeing with the judgment of the media? Why would a open and shut case be sealed closed? Maybe because it's not open and shut? Or maybe because the Newtown police are sick and tired of being harrassed by the gun lobbyists on both sides and by the media, for scurrilous details? I can picture being a top cop in Newtown, somewhere in the midst of preparing a report, giving out what they know, and then changing some detail before the investigation is complete because better information came along. And then the headline on Fox News: "Police Deny Political Pressure Made Them Change Sandy Hook Story" Who needs it? They'll release their report when they're ready. -- Ed Huntress |
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I ordered a Colt M16A1 parts kit mostly because of the unavailability/high price of bolt carriers. I found prints on M16 receivers: http://www.firearmfiles.com/files/AR...0us%20army.pdf Would it be illegal to machine the receiver to M16 specs even though I'm using an AR-15 lower parts kit in it? And, per the BATF, I won't even have the parts to assemble a full auto, I might have the ability to make the final piece(s) in short order though. Someone was telling me that you can make an adapter to put an oil filter on the muzzle and it was supposed to make a pretty good silencer, anyone here ever heard of such? With the little bit of looking I have done, I think a person could bend some music wire or a coat hanger around the selector so that when the bolt goes full forward, it pushes the wire that pushes down the disconnector. If that's the case, going from semi-auto to full auto would take a few minutes to install the wire and tweak it in. And then I stumbled on something called a "Lightning link" or something like that. It would be fun to visit a free country and play with it, I figure that after I shot $100 or so worth of ammo I'd be satisfied to dispose of the full auto parts and leave the free country returning back to the USSA. RogerN |
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:15:27 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:54:16 -0700, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:07:53 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 11:19:31 -0500, "RogerN" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message m... On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:54:54 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:03:03 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote: Implying that .223's are good for killing first graders, what about the adults Lanza killed? How many shots did it take to kill an adult? Apparently he shot everyone multiple times. That's what the coroner said in public statements, but we still haven't seen the full police report. Oddly enough..everything on the case has been sealed closed. I wonder why? 'Don't know. Do you think it's a conspiracy by the Democrats? -- Ed Huntress Sealed closed, just like "Fast and Furious"? Nothing to be suspicious about, here, have some more kool-aid. RogerN So, you think that the Newtown police are conspiring to keep the facts of the case from the public? Why would they do that? And what do you think they're keeping hidden? Very good question. And the media is asking it. And not getting any answers. When did you start agreeing with the judgment of the media? Even a stopped clock is right, 2x a day. Why would a open and shut case be sealed closed? Maybe because it's not open and shut? Or maybe because the Newtown police are sick and tired of being harrassed by the gun lobbyists on both sides and by the media, for scurrilous details? Which details would those be? I can picture being a top cop in Newtown, somewhere in the midst of preparing a report, giving out what they know, and then changing some detail before the investigation is complete because better information came along. And then the headline on Fox News: Im sure you can picture all sorts of strange and wierd things. "Police Deny Political Pressure Made Them Change Sandy Hook Story" Who needs it? They'll release their report when they're ready. Sure they will. Lets hope the puplic gets to see the details from the logs etc. Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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