On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:37:51 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:13:48 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
. ..

Maybe never. No sex in shotguns. No man cards.

Need big magazine, like big testicles. Military-style gun. Mucho
macho. Look like movie poster. Man-Card gun.
Ed Huntress

Note the leftwinger obsession with Feel instead of Think.

It's "feel" that's going to determine the political outcome. If you
don't get that by now, you're dead on arrival.

Think Feel is more powerful than a 30-30? Think again.

VBG



You were once so rational. Now you are even forgetting how to spell,
which is a sad decline for an editor.

Idiot.

Yes..you are getting to be just that.


"playwrite" instead of playwright
"hoard of gang-bangers" instead of horde

Oooh...a grammarist. g I don't edit my posts, Jim. Neither do I get
on people for spelling or grammatical errors here, unless they're
really, really funny. d8-)

"A person who writes plays is a playwright, not a playwrite, but the
act of writing plays is usually spelled playwriting."

And Hoard?

Laugh laugh laugh!!

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:47:52 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:29:11 -0600, "Snag" wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:07:12 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:13:48 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:
You were once so rational. Now you are even forgetting how to
spell, which is a sad decline for an editor.

"playwrite" instead of playwright
"hoard of gang-bangers" instead of horde

Oooh...a grammarist. g I don't edit my posts, Jim. Neither do I
get
on people for spelling or grammatical errors here, unless they're
really, really funny. d8-)

"A person who writes plays is a playwright, not a playwrite, but the
act of writing plays is usually spelled playwriting."
Ed Huntress

-"That's what I meant, fer chrissake...."
-"oh, cripes. This must be the stroke talking.."
-Ed Huntress

That's Gunner's stroke. As he's done several times lately, he's
"corrected" what I've said...by saying exactly the same thing himself.
It's something I don't remember him doing in the past, and it's
worrisome.

Now, are you going to do a Gunner and ask for a "cite"? There's one
right there, if you follow the thread back a couple of posts.

But the bigger question is, what is your point? Are you trying to
argue by pointing out spelling errors? Is that how far you've sunk,
with nothing else to grab onto?

I think so. Your arguments, like those of the gun nutz in general, are
DOA. You're floundering and sputtering over the recent polls. They
have you worried.

They should.

I would ask about the demographics of those polled . Equal weight and
numbers for midwest farmers , Wyoming cowboys , NYC urbanites , Arkansas
hillbillies , etc . As Sam Clemens said , there're 3 kinds - liars , damn
liars , and statisticians .

When you get 5 or 6 polls from different sources, ranging from ABC to
Fox News, and they all say roughly the same thing, it's time to stop
trying to second-guess their sampling methods.

Those polls are all run by experts who know exactly how to do a random
sample, Snag. You won't get anywhere by trying to pick holes in them,
except to dig a hole of denial for yourself.


So you are avoiding the fact that those polls may not be quite so
random, arnt you?

Pity you should try that.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:50:45 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:22:13 -0600, "Snag" wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
Those polls are all run by experts who know exactly how to do a random
sample, Snag. You won't get anywhere by trying to pick holes in them,
except to dig a hole of denial for yourself.

As I said upthread , I neither own nor desire to own an AR-platform weapon
. I also agree with you? whoever it was that said basically that this
particular firearm has been demonized by the MSM .
EEEEEEEeeeeeviiiiillllllllll assault weapon ! Good only for killin'
innercent chirrens and mall shoppers .
I'll just have to make do with Dad's 7.7 Arisaka and my 20 ga bolt shotgun
. Oh , and that bow and arrow set I made from an Osage Orange tree and plum
saplings .

I think you'll be better off. As for the "demonizing," it's the result
of some facts on the ground, some really perverse marketing, and that
sickness I talk about that has infected American gun culture. Of
course the press has picked up on it, particularly the horrific mass
killings in which they have been involved. They cover the news, and
that's been the news.


Yet they somehow ignore their problem children..say..in Chicago..who
killed well over 500 people last year and maimed another 10,000

Talk about Perverse Marketing....


The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:15:53 -0500, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/3/2013 3:02 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

They're for killing people. That's who gets them -- people who are
going to kill, or threaten to kill, other people. That's what they're
for, that's what they're all about, and that's why they're out there.


Except for the millions and millions that are used for organized sports
and other very responsible uses.

And, they are far less lethal than originally designed, the Army's
changes ****ed that all up.

It depends on which barrel twist one put on it.

And what weight bullet is fired from it. If one simply loads the old
faithful 50-55gr softpoints, even in todays barrels..it becomes a very
very interersting choice of whether to use a garden hose or a firehose
to clean the blood and tissue off the surrounding areas

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:53:25 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...
On 3/3/2013 3:02 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

They're for killing people. That's who gets them -- people who are
going to kill, or threaten to kill, other people. That's what
they're
for, that's what they're all about, and that's why they're out
there.


Except for the millions and millions that are used for organized
sports and other very responsible uses.

And, they are far less lethal than originally designed, the Army's
changes ****ed that all up.

That doesn't matter.

They generate a conditioned fear response planted by the media, most
evident in urbanites with no actual counterbalancing experience with
them. So do chainsaws.

It's ironic that the most supposedly civilized environment induces the
most primitive fear and helplessness.

Very well stated! Bravo!

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:02:51 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:15:53 -0500, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/3/2013 3:02 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

They're for killing people. That's who gets them -- people who are
going to kill, or threaten to kill, other people. That's what they're
for, that's what they're all about, and that's why they're out there.


Except for the millions and millions that are used for organized sports
and other very responsible uses.

Sure. But as for the "millions and millions," figures projected from
the NRA-researched number from a few years ago up to Dec. 2012 says
there are around 3,750,000 of them in the US. That's around 1.2% of
guns.

Here's the best work at estimating that I've seen:

http://tinyurl.com/bwgyhg6

But again, the entire design and concept is guns for killing people. I
know that the same is true of my .45 ACP 1911 Colt, but because of its
age and limited magazine capacity, the original purpose of the gun
doesn't hit people in the face like the hit they get when they see an
AR-15, and think about where it comes from.

You should realize, and I'm sure you do, that the entire political
issue is a matter of perceptions. And the results of the Fox News
poll, and virtually every other recent poll, tell you where that
perception lies.

The indisputable fact is that, since the early '90s, when I was a DCM
range officer and was defending them in Trenton, even providing
testimony in favor ot them, the marketing ("Renew Your Man Card," says
the bare-chested dude holding a Bushmaster in a menacing pose) and the
role these guns fulfill in the commando-wannabe world have made them
the gun of choice by the mass-murdering loons. Not for ordinary crime,
but for the horror shows that have made people stop and ask what kind
of a gun culture they want for this country.


And, they are far less lethal than originally designed, the Army's
changes ****ed that all up.

Gee, what a shame. That's going to make it harder for loony gun owners
to shoot up classrooms. They may have to used big magazines and shoot
toddlers multiple times to be sure they're dead.

Oh, that's just what Adam Lanza did, isn't it.....

And the ending of Eds post shows how far Left he has withdrawn in his
own little world.

Sad isnt it?

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:32:51 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:


We've allowed a really sick gun culture to infect and overwhelm our
traditional one.


What part is the "sick gun culture" in your "opinion"?

Having the ability guaranteed by the Founds and the 2nd Amendment?

(I suspect we are going to be hearing a rational all kind and sweet
about dove hunting and bird shot)

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:43:50 -0500, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/3/2013 6:32 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
We've allowed a really sick gun culture to infect and overwhelm our
traditional one. I'm surprised that more people weren't alarmed before
now about what's happened to a gun culture in which the hottest
sellers are high-capacity military-style guns. And I'm a former DCM
range officer, myself, as well as a former NRA-certified rifle
instructor. I never imagined that marketing for one of the hottest
selling guns would be "Renew Your Man Card," and that it would work
like crazy.



Simple solution: In order to own guns you must be licensed, like a CCW.
Then you can own no guns or a bunch...the gov will never know.

"shall not be infringed"

Interesting isnt it?

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:59:45 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:43:50 -0500, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/3/2013 6:32 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
We've allowed a really sick gun culture to infect and overwhelm our
traditional one. I'm surprised that more people weren't alarmed before
now about what's happened to a gun culture in which the hottest
sellers are high-capacity military-style guns. And I'm a former DCM
range officer, myself, as well as a former NRA-certified rifle
instructor. I never imagined that marketing for one of the hottest
selling guns would be "Renew Your Man Card," and that it would work
like crazy.



Simple solution: In order to own guns you must be licensed, like a CCW.
Then you can own no guns or a bunch...the gov will never know.

It would do about half the job. Then you have to figure out what to do
about straw purchases.

What would you do?


Arrest those who commit crimes. Its all you can do, without gutting
the Constitution and if thats done...the nation will explode. It well
may do just that anyways, now that the heat has been turned up.

Thank the Media for that. But..they will generally be found hanging
by the neck afterwards.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 02:08:25 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:59:45 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:43:50 -0500, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/3/2013 6:32 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
We've allowed a really sick gun culture to infect and overwhelm our
traditional one. I'm surprised that more people weren't alarmed before
now about what's happened to a gun culture in which the hottest
sellers are high-capacity military-style guns. And I'm a former DCM
range officer, myself, as well as a former NRA-certified rifle
instructor. I never imagined that marketing for one of the hottest
selling guns would be "Renew Your Man Card," and that it would work
like crazy.



Simple solution: In order to own guns you must be licensed, like a CCW.
Then you can own no guns or a bunch...the gov will never know.

It would do about half the job. Then you have to figure out what to do
about straw purchases.

What would you do?


Arrest those who commit crimes.

How are you going to know they committed a crime, if the straw
purchaser just says, "Gee, that gun was stolen from me last year," or
"Oh, I sold that gun in a private sale. The guy said he was legal to
purchase." That is, if you can even FIND the straw purchaser, since
there is no registration.

That's how they're getting away with it. States' attorneys won't even
bring a case, because they know they don't have a chance of proving
anything.

Its all you can do, without gutting
the Constitution and if thats done...the nation will explode.

There's nothing in the Constitution about limiting background checks,
registering guns and requiring notification of a lost or stolen gun.
That all falls well within the Necessary and Proper clause.

It well
may do just that anyways, now that the heat has been turned up.

Your fuses are all wet.


Thank the Media for that. But..they will generally be found hanging
by the neck afterwards.

See, it's that kind of talk that has convinced a majority of Americans
that gun nutz have to be controlled, because they've lost their
marbles and can't be trusted.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:57:49 -0600, "Snag" wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:22:13 -0600, "Snag" wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
Those polls are all run by experts who know exactly how to do a
random sample, Snag. You won't get anywhere by trying to pick holes
in them, except to dig a hole of denial for yourself.

As I said upthread , I neither own nor desire to own an AR-platform
weapon . I also agree with you? whoever it was that said
basically that this particular firearm has been demonized by the
MSM . EEEEEEEeeeeeviiiiillllllllll assault weapon ! Good only for
killin' innercent chirrens and mall shoppers .
I'll just have to make do with Dad's 7.7 Arisaka and my 20 ga bolt
shotgun . Oh , and that bow and arrow set I made from an Osage
Orange tree and plum saplings .

I think you'll be better off. As for the "demonizing," it's the result
of some facts on the ground, some really perverse marketing, and that
sickness I talk about that has infected American gun culture. Of
course the press has picked up on it, particularly the horrific mass
killings in which they have been involved. They cover the news, and
that's been the news.

I understand all that , Ed . My point was that it is a matter of
perception , not necessarily of fact . IF AR's were cheaper , I might have
bought one . There are , however , other choices out there that do the same
job equally well - or better .
BTW , I don't own an AK either .

This perception-versus-fact business only goes so far, because
different groups are looking at different facts and drawing different
conclusions from them. As soon as we start arguing about calibers and
velocities, or about the history of military arms being adopted for
civilian use, we've lost the argument. I think that's just starting to
poke through the fog for many gun owners.

The current generation of military rifles, built for high rates of
fire with large, detachable magazines, are qualitatively different
from bolt-actions with small fixed magazines. Everyone knows that.
Many people find the militant, self-righteous attiude that's been
projected by the NRA and by some gun nutz to be an alarming reaction
to events like Sandy Hook. The people of this country can feel our
disease and they want ownership of ARs and the like quarentined.
That's what the recent polls are all about.

Meantime, gun nutz are in denial and are floundering around, looking
for ways to deflect attention. It ain't working.

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 09:38:33 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 08:37:37 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 00:40:40 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 22:40:31 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:

It seems the bolt carrier group is the hard to get part for AR-15's
currently. I have found old Colt M16 A1 parts kits, "good to excellent"
minus lower receiver and barrel (plus missing auto-sear or disconnector).
Would the M16 bolt carrier group be good in an AR-15?

I found some bolt carrier groups in stock for $300 but the M16 parts kits
are available in the $500 - $600 range, seems to be a better value maybe.
I
read a review of one of these parts kits being assembled, they said it was
a
good shooter.

RogerN

Jesus. For a poodle shooter? I paid less than that for a classic Black
Beauty Double in 12 gauge, and the forcing cone was even relieved for
star crimps.

What are you going to do with it if you ever finish it?

--
Ed Huntress

I'd probably just use it for target shooting and occasional varmints. The
cartridges are kind of cute, like miniatures of my hunting rifle Winchester
Magnum cartridges. We gave a lot of Coyotes around here, I can hear them
when a train is in the area. If it was legal to deer hunt with rifles here
I'd get a 308 version.

I think I'll complete at least the "95%" receiver, I just have to drill 3
holes and mill out a pocket for the trigger group. If I ever get a shop
building here and get my machines moved there's a better chance of me
getting the 0% lowers done. The rifles are looking pretty cheap compared to
some of the optics, I'd like to have one with good daytime optics, one with
night vision, and one with FLIR if they become more affordable than the one
I saw for $7500.

RogerN

Wow. I hope you feel you're getting your money's worth.

Someone on another site mentioned that "if it is black and you call it
a "tactical" whatchamacallit you can charge double the price" :-)

LOL!

--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:12:20 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:51:05 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:


snip
No. But outlawing the practice of walking through town...
snip

================


The problem is that no one has any data on what the real
problem(s) are, only on the means and tools immediately used
in creating these incidents.

That's all interesting, George, but while you're fishing around in the
dustbins of pharmacology, don't forget that there are two things going
on today that play into the desires of people suffering from some
kinds of mental illnesses and distress: First, if you really need
attention (and many of them do), we have cable news and the Internet,
by which your glorious revenge will be played around the world in a
couple of hours; second, we have tools available today that can really
make a big splash.

A hundred years ago, your military Trapdoor Springfield wasn't going
to do the job that you can do today with a Bushmaster M4 look-alike.
And the news wasn't likely to get past your county line.

It's a qualitatively different situation, and it doesn't require
pharmacology to explain it.

snip

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 09:38:33 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 08:37:37 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 00:40:40 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 22:40:31 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:

It seems the bolt carrier group is the hard to get part for AR-15's
currently. I have found old Colt M16 A1 parts kits, "good to excellent"
minus lower receiver and barrel (plus missing auto-sear or disconnector).
Would the M16 bolt carrier group be good in an AR-15?

I found some bolt carrier groups in stock for $300 but the M16 parts kits
are available in the $500 - $600 range, seems to be a better value maybe.
I
read a review of one of these parts kits being assembled, they said it was
a
good shooter.

RogerN

Jesus. For a poodle shooter? I paid less than that for a classic Black
Beauty Double in 12 gauge, and the forcing cone was even relieved for
star crimps.

What are you going to do with it if you ever finish it?

--
Ed Huntress

I'd probably just use it for target shooting and occasional varmints. The
cartridges are kind of cute, like miniatures of my hunting rifle Winchester
Magnum cartridges. We gave a lot of Coyotes around here, I can hear them
when a train is in the area. If it was legal to deer hunt with rifles here
I'd get a 308 version.

I think I'll complete at least the "95%" receiver, I just have to drill 3
holes and mill out a pocket for the trigger group. If I ever get a shop
building here and get my machines moved there's a better chance of me
getting the 0% lowers done. The rifles are looking pretty cheap compared to
some of the optics, I'd like to have one with good daytime optics, one with
night vision, and one with FLIR if they become more affordable than the one
I saw for $7500.

RogerN

Wow. I hope you feel you're getting your money's worth.

Someone on another site mentioned that "if it is black and you call it
a "tactical" whatchamacallit you can charge double the price" :-)

Ayup. Ive got a Tactical 12ga double barreled shotgun. Only $3500!!

Laugh!

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 20:35:27 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:13:48 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
. ..

Maybe never. No sex in shotguns. No man cards.

Need big magazine, like big testicles. Military-style gun. Mucho
macho. Look like movie poster. Man-Card gun.
Ed Huntress

Note the leftwinger obsession with Feel instead of Think.

Is he also the one who trotted out "Why do you need that kind of
weapon for hunting?" etc.

What the hell are you talking about now, Larry? Is that ringing in
your ears coming back?

What you're repeating is one of the mindless one-liners coming from
the left, which makes me gag.



You were once so rational. Now you are even forgetting how to spell,
which is a sad decline for an editor.

"playwrite" instead of playwright
"hoard of gang-bangers" instead of horde

Senility (or Alzy?) is hell for him, I'll bet. Well, it would be if
he still has any sense of reality left in him. g

Join me: Plonk him and forget him.

Gee, Larry, for having "forgotten" me, you sure talk about me a lot in
your posts. d8-)

Let's all join Larry in Larry-land, where we can sing the Larry song:

"They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!"

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 09:51:57 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 08:54:29 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
. ..

On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 23:24:23 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

snip

What are you going to do with it if you ever finish it?


Im sure he is going to simply "collect it".

He builds it, and then collects it?? "RogernN, maker of collectible
poodle-shooters."

Why do you call it a poodle shooter? The US military didn't use them to
shoot poodles. The army manual says they can be effective out to 600 yards.
I already have many rifles that aren't on the "assault weapons ban" list,
I'm wanting the guns that gun grabbers don't want me to have.


No the Army determined that aimed fire, for all the talk about it, was
very seldom used in battle and that the number of causalities was in
direct proportion to the number of shots fired and that the longer
range capabilities of the 30-06 or 308 were almost never used in
actual combat which usually takes place at much shorter distances and
finally that a soldier can carry a lot more light ammunition than he
can heavy.

You can research this yourself as the information is in the public
domain.

True enough in most of the last wars. However..the Military is always
fighting the last war..never the current one.

There is a reason that they have been bringing back the M14 into
combat in the middle east. Except for MOUT operations (in villages
and cities where the M4 is a handy weapon)..the longer reach of the
M14 is very handy.

One simply has to note the number of long range sniper kills out a
very very long way to understand that the terraine makes a big big
difference.

In Vietnam..a long shot in most..most cases was 200 yrds.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:12:20 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:


B. A CAT or MRI scan of the suspect's head to detect any
abnormalities or evidence of injuries such as a concussion.

A very good listing. However since the primary cause of death for most
of the recent mass murderes has been self inflicted gunshot to the
head...the above may be a problem.

I congratulate you on some good thinking in your letter.

Treat it like a disease and find out the root causes.
Personally..I suspect we will find its been the pyschotropic meds that
have been handed out lately by the car load.


Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:21:30 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 15:02:11 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:33:43 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 09:18:56 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 23:24:23 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 00:06:00 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 22:40:31 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:

It seems the bolt carrier group is the hard to get part for AR-15's
currently. I have found old Colt M16 A1 parts kits, "good to excellent"
minus lower receiver and barrel (plus missing auto-sear or disconnector).
Would the M16 bolt carrier group be good in an AR-15?

I found some bolt carrier groups in stock for $300 but the M16 parts kits
are available in the $500 - $600 range, seems to be a better value maybe. I
read a review of one of these parts kits being assembled, they said it was a
good shooter.

RogerN

Jesus. For a poodle shooter? I paid less than that for a classic Black
Beauty Double in 12 gauge, and the forcing cone was even relieved for
star crimps.

What are you going to do with it if you ever finish it?


Im sure he is going to simply "collect it".

He builds it, and then collects it?? "RogernN, maker of collectible
poodle-shooters."

Some people collect Beanie Babies, others collect Hummel porcelein,
others collect rubber bands. A "poodle shooter" has been fine for the
US military (and many other nations) for 50 yrs so far. So whats
your problem?

Made by Roger? That's collectible??

Sure it is. Its work at least $1000. That...is collectable.


Your president has made many large Gifts of them to other nations and
many cartels. You mean he is a cheap ******* for handing them out
like candy?

They're for killing people. That's who gets them -- people who are
going to kill, or threaten to kill, other people. That's what they're
for, that's what they're all about, and that's why they're out there.

Odd..then why are there far far more hammer deaths then AR15 deaths
each year? Are you claiming that Hammers are made for killing people?
Or just tryin to avoid that because it makes you look like an utter
idiot?

You can do a Gunner and use a .25 ACP for poking holes in your leather
belt, too. That doesn't mean it's made for that job.



How about ol' Rog? Besides, he's clearly said that he hopes to use it
for shooting people in the "Second Civil War." That isn't collecting,
unless he's planning to mount their heads for display on his wall.

When the Great Cull happens..and it will...VBG..one will need
something to defend oneself from those rampaging herds of stampeding
Leftwingers. One could use an AR to shoot enough of them to get a
good pile going so you can hide behind it and not be trampled by them.

Phwew. It must be dark and scary in there, Gunner, in that vacant lot
between your ears. d8-)


Seems like a couple magazines fired into the foremost line of the herd
could get a pretty good breakwater up, dont you think?

I think, but not like that.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 20:47:05 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:39:16 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

Eddie is a BlueStater from the East Coast. You will have to judge
his postings based on that fact. Sadly

Ed is a poodle. 'Nuff said?

Poodles..are actually pretty decent dogs. Not that Id ever own one. So
how about Ed being a beagle? A more worthless dog never has been bred.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:21:30 -0800, Gunner
wrote:


Made by Roger? That's collectible??

Sure it is. Its work at least $1000. That...is collectable.

Sigh..worth..not work. I was napping when I wrote that..sorry.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:22:31 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 15:17:09 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:42:36 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:51:05 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 07:58:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:





Because they're the weapon of choice for gun owners to kill masses of

1st grade children and theater goers. It's a cultural thing, like

outlawing the wearing of pants on Main Street, that have no crotch.




Ed,

Just curious, do you really believe banning a particular style of weapon is
going to fix the urban/social problem?

No. But outlawing the practice of walking through town with your dick
hanging out isn't going to stop rapes, either. I have no problem with
people who want to outlaw either one. As Robert Bork said, all laws
are legislation of morality, and many of those moral choices we have
to live with are the opinions of other people. That's democracy for
you.

Look, Roger let on that his real reason for building an AR is to be
ready to slaughter liberals in the Second Civil War. Like Gunner and
Larry, he's a Walter Mitty Minuteman, with camo and night-vision
goggles. He yearns for the opportunity to kill people he doesn't like
and he knows that an AR is both practically and symbolically the right
tool for the job.

Roger wants to flaunt the child-killing guns, the guns used for mass
slaughter of civilians. Based on the polls, most people consider those
guns to be obscene, for just that reason. I'd like to see how many
people think that walking down the street waving your wang is obscene.
I'll guess that the numbers are similar.


Forget politics for a bit, but just focus on the social issue. What would you
do to solve the problem?

The urban social problem? Sorry, that one is 'way above my pay grade.


You seem to be familiar with guns, what weapon would be a better choice for close in work?

On first graders, or on liberals?


Do you really believe it's about the weapon or people? I guess that's what
I'd like to know about you?

It's the weapons that those people choose, and it's the people
themselves. The two go together like a hand in a glove.

The obnoxious thing about ARs, particularly of those that people have
bought in the last few months, is that the big attraction is that
they're the best, proven massacre guns on the civilian market. They
have fame by association and people are paying outrageous sums for
fame, to get a little of that "Man Card" rub-off that Bushmaster
promoted before Sandy Hook. (they've taken their ads for that down. No
more "renewing your Man Card" with a Bushmaster, bub. But Bushmaster
knew their market, all right.) They're really ****ty guns for any
reasonable civilian use: ammo-sensitive, requiring stunt work to shoot
anywhere near the groups of a good bolt-action; terrible lock times
from early in the last century, like a 1917 Enfield; in .223, one of
the more useless cartridges for civilian use this side of a .25-20.

But they're great for killing kids huddled up in a classroom.

Instead of wanting to distance themselves from the guns used in Aurora
and Sandy Hook, these clowns seem to be buying them because of their
fame as slaughter-guns. They're evidence of a disease that has
permeated gun culture in the US, and my fear is that it could be
fatal.

Now, stand back while I paper-patch my smoke pole, by cracky. d8-)

Isnt it interesting to watch the Eastern Blue State mind set displayed
publicly like that, boys and girls?

This is the sort of thing that those of us that live west of Boston so
often never see.

Read it again and again..and remember where DC is.

Right! And check out the latest Fox News poll to see what *real*
Americans think about banning ARs and other semi-automatic weapons. In
the poll, 54% to 42% want to...uh...ummm................ban them.

sob!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/inte...d-gun-control/

January 18th is the latest poll?

Laugh laugh laugh!

Try again Teddy.

That's the last one that *Fox* ran. HPU Survey Research Center ran one
Feb. 21, for the state of North Carolina. Same results:

“Large majorities also supported a range of other proposals to reduce
gun violence, including banning high capacity ammunition clips and
assault style weapons,” according to the university’s poll. “They also
support expanding criminal background checks for gun buyers..."

You don't want to see the Feb. 17 poll of California run by Field
Polls. It will make your lips quiver like a snail that's just learned
the meaning of "escargot."

The latest Pew poll (Feb. 20) shows the percentage favoring 100%
background checks (83%), and the percentage who want to ban ARs (56%),
is actually going UP since earlier post-Sandy Hook polls.

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:23:31 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 15:43:13 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:29:09 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 14:45:11 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 13:15:14 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
om...
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 12:24:55 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
news:35t6j81f4e5lrcaj2bspdnu3u54e2aniih@4ax .com...
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 07:58:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

The obnoxious thing about ARs, particularly of those that people
have
bought in the last few months, is that the big attraction is that
they're the best, proven massacre guns on the civilian market.

Ed Huntress

Last week I stopped by the station and took a peek at the local SWAT
team's gear. They've changed from HKs to those 'really ****ty'
massacre guns, short barrel and full auto.

The quote was:

'They're really ****ty guns for any reasonable civilian use:
ammo-sensitive, requiring stunt work to shoot anywhere near the
groups
of a good bolt-action; terrible lock times from early in the last
century, like a 1917 Enfield; in .223, one of the more useless
cartridges for civilian use this side of a .25-20."

Now, if you consider the work of a SWAT team to be a "reasonable
civilian use," you're part of the problem.

Why did you snip that out?

--
Ed Huntress

For Army and Marine veterans the operation of the AR-15 is instinctive
when they jump out of bed from a loud noise in the night. It goes from
safely unloaded to fully ready to shoot in under two seconds. Perhaps
Navy and AF vets and civilians would be better off with a shotgun,
though you can't slap a mag in an unloaded one by feel. I carried a
.45ACP on duty too but didn't train enough with it.
http://everything2.com/title/Perform...at+S.P.O.R.T.S.
jsw

Hmm. Marines. Camo. Slappin' mags. Shoot in two seconds. 'Sounds like
candy for a mass-murdering nutcase.

Which, of course, is why they use them. That's their identity. That's
their attraction. And that's why, in a civilian environment, even in
NORTH FREAKING CAROLINA (poll reported from HPU Survey Research
Center, 2/28/13), more than half of Americans want to ban those
obscene suckers.


Isnt that Pesky 2nd Amendment a total pain in the ass for you Blue
staters and the Media who propagandize so well?

Not at all. The Second Amerndment doesn't protect them. See D.C. v.
Heller. Where does it say ARs are protected?

"The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be Infringed"

2nd Amendment covers it quite nicely, thank you very much.

'Fraid not. Read Heller.

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 08:52:34 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:


You don't want to see the Feb. 17 poll of California run by Field
Polls. It will make your lips quiver like a snail that's just learned
the meaning of "escargot."

California..where the Assault Weapons Ban has never been dropped?

Laugh laugh laugh!

Of course its anti 2nd Amendment. Which is why the move is back on to
break the state into 2 or 3 smaller states.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:51:34 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:37:51 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:13:48 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

Maybe never. No sex in shotguns. No man cards.

Need big magazine, like big testicles. Military-style gun. Mucho
macho. Look like movie poster. Man-Card gun.
Ed Huntress

Note the leftwinger obsession with Feel instead of Think.

It's "feel" that's going to determine the political outcome. If you
don't get that by now, you're dead on arrival.

Think Feel is more powerful than a 30-30? Think again.

It's more powerful than a .30-30 in YOUR hands, Gunner, because all
you do is bluster with empty threats.

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 07:16:58 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:57:49 -0600, "Snag" wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:22:13 -0600, "Snag" wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
Those polls are all run by experts who know exactly how to do a
random sample, Snag. You won't get anywhere by trying to pick holes
in them, except to dig a hole of denial for yourself.

As I said upthread , I neither own nor desire to own an AR-platform
weapon . I also agree with you? whoever it was that said
basically that this particular firearm has been demonized by the
MSM . EEEEEEEeeeeeviiiiillllllllll assault weapon ! Good only for
killin' innercent chirrens and mall shoppers .
I'll just have to make do with Dad's 7.7 Arisaka and my 20 ga bolt
shotgun . Oh , and that bow and arrow set I made from an Osage
Orange tree and plum saplings .

I think you'll be better off. As for the "demonizing," it's the result
of some facts on the ground, some really perverse marketing, and that
sickness I talk about that has infected American gun culture. Of
course the press has picked up on it, particularly the horrific mass
killings in which they have been involved. They cover the news, and
that's been the news.

I understand all that , Ed . My point was that it is a matter of
perception , not necessarily of fact . IF AR's were cheaper , I might have
bought one . There are , however , other choices out there that do the same
job equally well - or better .
BTW , I don't own an AK either .

This perception-versus-fact business only goes so far, because
different groups are looking at different facts and drawing different
conclusions from them. As soon as we start arguing about calibers and
velocities, or about the history of military arms being adopted for
civilian use, we've lost the argument. I think that's just starting to
poke through the fog for many gun owners.

The current generation of military rifles, built for high rates of
fire with large, detachable magazines, are qualitatively different
from bolt-actions with small fixed magazines. Everyone knows that.
Many people find the militant, self-righteous attiude that's been
projected by the NRA and by some gun nutz to be an alarming reaction
to events like Sandy Hook. The people of this country can feel our
disease and they want ownership of ARs and the like quarentined.
That's what the recent polls are all about.

Meantime, gun nutz are in denial and are floundering around, looking
for ways to deflect attention. It ain't working.


Aaaah! No more freedom of Speech for Eddy!

Its a disease and should be quarentined!!




The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:55:00 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:50:45 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:22:13 -0600, "Snag" wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
Those polls are all run by experts who know exactly how to do a random
sample, Snag. You won't get anywhere by trying to pick holes in them,
except to dig a hole of denial for yourself.

As I said upthread , I neither own nor desire to own an AR-platform weapon
. I also agree with you? whoever it was that said basically that this
particular firearm has been demonized by the MSM .
EEEEEEEeeeeeviiiiillllllllll assault weapon ! Good only for killin'
innercent chirrens and mall shoppers .
I'll just have to make do with Dad's 7.7 Arisaka and my 20 ga bolt shotgun
. Oh , and that bow and arrow set I made from an Osage Orange tree and plum
saplings .

I think you'll be better off. As for the "demonizing," it's the result
of some facts on the ground, some really perverse marketing, and that
sickness I talk about that has infected American gun culture. Of
course the press has picked up on it, particularly the horrific mass
killings in which they have been involved. They cover the news, and
that's been the news.


Yet they somehow ignore their problem children..say..in Chicago..who
killed well over 500 people last year and maimed another 10,000

Uh, Google News says there are 144,000 stories about shootings in
Chicago.

--
Ed Huntress


Talk about Perverse Marketing....


The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 07:10:47 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 02:08:25 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:59:45 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:43:50 -0500, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/3/2013 6:32 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
We've allowed a really sick gun culture to infect and overwhelm our
traditional one. I'm surprised that more people weren't alarmed before
now about what's happened to a gun culture in which the hottest
sellers are high-capacity military-style guns. And I'm a former DCM
range officer, myself, as well as a former NRA-certified rifle
instructor. I never imagined that marketing for one of the hottest
selling guns would be "Renew Your Man Card," and that it would work
like crazy.



Simple solution: In order to own guns you must be licensed, like a CCW.
Then you can own no guns or a bunch...the gov will never know.

It would do about half the job. Then you have to figure out what to do
about straw purchases.

What would you do?


Arrest those who commit crimes.

How are you going to know they committed a crime, if the straw
purchaser just says, "Gee, that gun was stolen from me last year," or
"Oh, I sold that gun in a private sale. The guy said he was legal to
purchase." That is, if you can even FIND the straw purchaser, since
there is no registration.

Bingo!

That's how they're getting away with it. States' attorneys won't even
bring a case, because they know they don't have a chance of proving
anything.

Bingo!

Its all you can do, without gutting
the Constitution and if thats done...the nation will explode.

There's nothing in the Constitution about limiting background checks,
registering guns and requiring notification of a lost or stolen gun.
That all falls well within the Necessary and Proper clause.

Your opinion is noted. As was the widespread registration of guns
owned by Jews in 1935. And what happened to both.

It well
may do just that anyways, now that the heat has been turned up.

Your fuses are all wet.

VBG


Thank the Media for that. But..they will generally be found hanging
by the neck afterwards.

See, it's that kind of talk that has convinced a majority of Americans
that gun nutz have to be controlled, because they've lost their
marbles and can't be trusted.

Hide and watch.

VBG

You really dont think its going to come to a head and pop like an
inflamed boil do you?

Pity.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 07:33:40 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:12:20 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:51:05 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:


snip
No. But outlawing the practice of walking through town...
snip

================


The problem is that no one has any data on what the real
problem(s) are, only on the means and tools immediately used
in creating these incidents.

That's all interesting, George, but while you're fishing around in the
dustbins of pharmacology, don't forget that there are two things going
on today that play into the desires of people suffering from some
kinds of mental illnesses and distress: First, if you really need
attention (and many of them do), we have cable news and the Internet,
by which your glorious revenge will be played around the world in a
couple of hours; second, we have tools available today that can really
make a big splash.

A hundred years ago, your military Trapdoor Springfield wasn't going
to do the job that you can do today with a Bushmaster M4 look-alike.
And the news wasn't likely to get past your county line.

It's a qualitatively different situation, and it doesn't require
pharmacology to explain it.

snip

Once again a Lefty confuses the symptoms with the disease.

Im going to have to knock a bunch of IQ points of Eds resume for that
bit of buffoonery.

Shrug

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 08:42:19 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:21:30 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 15:02:11 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:33:43 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 09:18:56 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 23:24:23 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 00:06:00 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 22:40:31 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:

It seems the bolt carrier group is the hard to get part for AR-15's
currently. I have found old Colt M16 A1 parts kits, "good to excellent"
minus lower receiver and barrel (plus missing auto-sear or disconnector).
Would the M16 bolt carrier group be good in an AR-15?

I found some bolt carrier groups in stock for $300 but the M16 parts kits
are available in the $500 - $600 range, seems to be a better value maybe. I
read a review of one of these parts kits being assembled, they said it was a
good shooter.

RogerN

Jesus. For a poodle shooter? I paid less than that for a classic Black
Beauty Double in 12 gauge, and the forcing cone was even relieved for
star crimps.

What are you going to do with it if you ever finish it?


Im sure he is going to simply "collect it".

He builds it, and then collects it?? "RogernN, maker of collectible
poodle-shooters."

Some people collect Beanie Babies, others collect Hummel porcelein,
others collect rubber bands. A "poodle shooter" has been fine for the
US military (and many other nations) for 50 yrs so far. So whats
your problem?

Made by Roger? That's collectible??

Sure it is. Its work at least $1000. That...is collectable.


Your president has made many large Gifts of them to other nations and
many cartels. You mean he is a cheap ******* for handing them out
like candy?

They're for killing people. That's who gets them -- people who are
going to kill, or threaten to kill, other people. That's what they're
for, that's what they're all about, and that's why they're out there.

Odd..then why are there far far more hammer deaths then AR15 deaths
each year? Are you claiming that Hammers are made for killing people?
Or just tryin to avoid that because it makes you look like an utter
idiot?

You can do a Gunner and use a .25 ACP for poking holes in your leather
belt, too. That doesn't mean it's made for that job.

You mean it doesnt work?




How about ol' Rog? Besides, he's clearly said that he hopes to use it
for shooting people in the "Second Civil War." That isn't collecting,
unless he's planning to mount their heads for display on his wall.

When the Great Cull happens..and it will...VBG..one will need
something to defend oneself from those rampaging herds of stampeding
Leftwingers. One could use an AR to shoot enough of them to get a
good pile going so you can hide behind it and not be trampled by them.

Phwew. It must be dark and scary in there, Gunner, in that vacant lot
between your ears. d8-)

Why Eddie..are you afraid you will be first in line in the stampeding
herd?


Seems like a couple magazines fired into the foremost line of the herd
could get a pretty good breakwater up, dont you think?

I think, but not like that.

Your opinion of yourself..is highly overrated.

VBG


The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

"Gunner" wrote in message
...

Treat it like a disease and find out the root causes.
Personally..I suspect we will find its been the pyschotropic meds
that
have been handed out lately by the car load.
Gunner

http://nymag.com/news/features/43892/
"It felt as if the essential barrier between reality and my
imagination had eroded."

What part of "shall not be infringed" requires specific mention of specific
guns?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...
On 3/3/2013 3:43 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Not at all. The Second Amerndment doesn't protect them. See D.C. v.
Heller. Where does it say ARs are protected?


nose---tent---

I guess we can find the folks who want to use AR for deer hunting (after
food supplies are compromised). Just listen for the wounded deer hollereing,
and being carried out of the forest.

I've never fired an AR, my learning comes from reading. I've heard that in
the middle East, that guys shot repeatedly with a M-16 just keep fighting
back.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Snag" wrote in message
...

While I see the utility value of a semi-auto for
certain situations ... I do not now own nor do I plan on purchasing an
AR15/M16 clone . It's long been my opinion that they're not worth the asking
price TO ME . 5.56 MM is designed to WOUND , which ties up a lot more
resources and personnel than outright killing . While that is acceptable and
in fact desirable in a military action , I for one do not want a bunch of
wounded guys hollerin' out in the front yard . Not only will that attract
more pests , it may very well disturb my sleep . I like .30 cal minimum for
defense ...

That's profound. I may quote that.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...


And, they are far less lethal than originally designed, the Army's
changes ****ed that all up.

That doesn't matter.

They generate a conditioned fear response planted by the media, most
evident in urbanites with no actual counterbalancing experience with
them. So do chainsaws.

It's ironic that the most supposedly civilized environment induces the
most primitive fear and helplessness.

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...

They generate a conditioned fear response planted by the media, most
evident in urbanites with no actual counterbalancing experience with
them. So do chainsaws.

It's ironic that the most supposedly civilized environment induces
the
most primitive fear and helplessness.
================================================== ===
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
That's profound. I may quote that.

Christopher A. Young
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Please paraphrase it into your own words. I'm rarely satisfied with
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On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:55:00 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:50:45 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:22:13 -0600, "Snag" wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
Those polls are all run by experts who know exactly how to do a random
sample, Snag. You won't get anywhere by trying to pick holes in them,
except to dig a hole of denial for yourself.

As I said upthread , I neither own nor desire to own an AR-platform weapon
. I also agree with you? whoever it was that said basically that this
particular firearm has been demonized by the MSM .
EEEEEEEeeeeeviiiiillllllllll assault weapon ! Good only for killin'
innercent chirrens and mall shoppers .
I'll just have to make do with Dad's 7.7 Arisaka and my 20 ga bolt shotgun
. Oh , and that bow and arrow set I made from an Osage Orange tree and plum
saplings .

I think you'll be better off. As for the "demonizing," it's the result
of some facts on the ground, some really perverse marketing, and that
sickness I talk about that has infected American gun culture. Of
course the press has picked up on it, particularly the horrific mass
killings in which they have been involved. They cover the news, and
that's been the news.


Yet they somehow ignore their problem children..say..in Chicago..who
killed well over 500 people last year and maimed another 10,000

Oh, please, Gunner. Everyone knows that Chicago has excellent gun
control laws. Nobody could _possibly_ get shot there.


Talk about Perverse Marketing....

What if the gun control ads were hampered by truth-in-advertising
laws? "Never mind that 2.5 million crimes are prevented by gun
ownership each year in the USA. Let's take guns out of the hands of
law abiding citizens and leave them in criminal hands."

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If more sane people were armed,
crazy people would get off fewer shots.
Support the 2nd Amendment

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 02:05:47 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:32:51 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:


We've allowed a really sick gun culture to infect and overwhelm our
traditional one.


What part is the "sick gun culture" in your "opinion"?

The idiot poodle thinks all the insane people are in the gun culture.
The fact is, he's entirely wrong. They're all his fellow blue staters.

We should ban the Democrat party, not "evil-looking" guns.

--
If more sane people were armed,
crazy people would get off fewer shots.
Support the 2nd Amendment

On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:30:10 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

What part of "shall not be infringed" requires specific mention of specific
guns?

What part of it says you can have any gun you want?

"Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not
unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases,
commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a
right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever
and for whatever purpose." -- D.C. v. Heller, USSC, 2008

As long as you can keep some gun(s) for self-defense, any other
restrictions or bans are pretty much up to legislation. The Court
confirmed this in Heller, without mentioning specific guns. So far,
the only specific type of protected guns are handguns commonly used
for self-defense. The Court implies that guns for other "lawful
purposes," which are in "common use" and not deemed by legislation to
be "dangerous or unusual" would be protected, but there is nothing
specific in this case, or elsewhere in case law, to define those
terms.

That's the way it is. And if you're following the polls, you know that
a majority of the US population considers ARs to be too dangerous to
be allowed. Majorities want to ban them.

--
Ed Huntress


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"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
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On 3/3/2013 3:43 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Not at all. The Second Amerndment doesn't protect them. See D.C. v.
Heller. Where does it say ARs are protected?


nose---tent---

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 06:03:56 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 08:42:19 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:21:30 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 15:02:11 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:33:43 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 09:18:56 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 23:24:23 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 00:06:00 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 22:40:31 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:

It seems the bolt carrier group is the hard to get part for AR-15's
currently. I have found old Colt M16 A1 parts kits, "good to excellent"
minus lower receiver and barrel (plus missing auto-sear or disconnector).
Would the M16 bolt carrier group be good in an AR-15?

I found some bolt carrier groups in stock for $300 but the M16 parts kits
are available in the $500 - $600 range, seems to be a better value maybe. I
read a review of one of these parts kits being assembled, they said it was a
good shooter.

RogerN

Jesus. For a poodle shooter? I paid less than that for a classic Black
Beauty Double in 12 gauge, and the forcing cone was even relieved for
star crimps.

What are you going to do with it if you ever finish it?


Im sure he is going to simply "collect it".

He builds it, and then collects it?? "RogernN, maker of collectible
poodle-shooters."

Some people collect Beanie Babies, others collect Hummel porcelein,
others collect rubber bands. A "poodle shooter" has been fine for the
US military (and many other nations) for 50 yrs so far. So whats
your problem?

Made by Roger? That's collectible??

Sure it is. Its work at least $1000. That...is collectable.


Your president has made many large Gifts of them to other nations and
many cartels. You mean he is a cheap ******* for handing them out
like candy?

They're for killing people. That's who gets them -- people who are
going to kill, or threaten to kill, other people. That's what they're
for, that's what they're all about, and that's why they're out there.

Odd..then why are there far far more hammer deaths then AR15 deaths
each year? Are you claiming that Hammers are made for killing people?
Or just tryin to avoid that because it makes you look like an utter
idiot?

You can do a Gunner and use a .25 ACP for poking holes in your leather
belt, too. That doesn't mean it's made for that job.

You mean it doesnt work?

You mean that's what it was made for? Read your paragraphs above and
then try to figure out why you just went around in a circle.





How about ol' Rog? Besides, he's clearly said that he hopes to use it
for shooting people in the "Second Civil War." That isn't collecting,
unless he's planning to mount their heads for display on his wall.

When the Great Cull happens..and it will...VBG..one will need
something to defend oneself from those rampaging herds of stampeding
Leftwingers. One could use an AR to shoot enough of them to get a
good pile going so you can hide behind it and not be trampled by them.

Phwew. It must be dark and scary in there, Gunner, in that vacant lot
between your ears. d8-)

Why Eddie..are you afraid you will be first in line in the stampeding
herd?

No herd. No line. Just the whistling of wind between your ears.

--
Ed Huntress



Seems like a couple magazines fired into the foremost line of the herd
could get a pretty good breakwater up, dont you think?

I think, but not like that.

Your opinion of yourself..is highly overrated.

VBG


The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 05:43:48 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 20:47:05 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:39:16 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

Eddie is a BlueStater from the East Coast. You will have to judge
his postings based on that fact. Sadly

Ed is a poodle. 'Nuff said?

Poodles..are actually pretty decent dogs. Not that Id ever own one. So
how about Ed being a beagle? A more worthless dog never has been bred.

OK, a Poodgle it is. Just cut the fur right, OK?

--
If more sane people were armed,
crazy people would get off fewer shots.
Support the 2nd Amendment

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 05:42:10 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

snip
Treat it like a disease and find out the root causes.
Personally..I suspect we will find its been the pyschotropic meds that
have been handed out lately by the car load.
snip

Thanks for the kind words. This was what I call a top down
proposal. I have also proposed a bottom up effort focused
on the returning service members, who the media assure us
are all homicidal maniacs.

As indicated, this memo was sent to the Wounded Warrior NGO,
with copies to the American Legion, VFW, AmVets, and as they
have a considerable dog in the fight, the NRA. No response.

As this proposal is somewhat lengthy and to preserve the
formatting and hot link foot notes (mouse click to access)
download a copy at
http://mcduffee-associates.us/DROP%20BOX/wwprop01.pdf
(free adobe reader required which you can download at
http://get.adobe.com/reader/otherversions/ )

From the available information, it would appear that if we
could get even a few hundred responses ==with med
samples==, particularly any tablets handed out in the hot
zones to boost operational stamina, alertness and focus, it
would go a long way to deciding one way or the other if it
is a pharmacutical/environmental problem or something else.

=== excerpts from the narrative section ===

Subject: Verification or elimination of the pharmaceuticals
our men and women in uniform have been exposed to during
operations, and the types and amounts of pharmaceuticals
they are receiving as veterans, as a contributing cause to
the apparent upsurge of veterans' illogical and excessively
violent incidents.

The global or foundational problem of interest is the recent
apparent upsurge in the number and scale of illogical,
random, and extremely violent incidents, only some of which
involved a firearm, albeit these incidents received the most
media attention. This is much too large a question for a
NGO to attempt to analyze. This is special concern as there
appears to have been a significant change in after service
behaviors compared to prior cohorts which in many cases
engaged in far more prolonged and intense combat operations
such as the trench warfare and mass frontal assaults of WWI,
amphibious operations such as Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, and
D-Day of WWII, and the battle for Hué as part of the Tet
Offensive in Vietnam.
....
What is therefore suggested is that ONE aspect of the very
broad foundational and indeed cultural/societal problem, as
it involves current and former military personnel, should be
examined with the specific research question “do
psychoactive/stimulant drugs, currently being taken or which
have been taken in operational areas, contribute to the
recent apparent upsurge in violent/irrational mental
attitudes, incidents and behaviors?”

The reason for selecting current and former military
personnel is that they are a well-defined class, and have
been screened by the military before being allowed to join
for gross mental defects, low intelligence, drug use, and
medical abnormalities, and the rigorous basic training
period separates most “marginal” individuals that may have
slipped through the initial screening process. Thus they
are the best group likely to identified that were free of
other contributing factors.
....
RATIONALE/NARRATIVE: While anecdotal, I grew up and later
worked with/for many WWII, Korea and Vietnam veterans, many
of whom had received serious injuries and were involved in
some of the most violent and extended actions such as Trawa,
Iwo Jima, Okinawa, D-Day, and Battle of the Bulge. Indeed,
my high school football coach had a bad limp from a bullet
he took in the breakout from Omaha Beach. While some of
these individuals were marginal in that they drank far too
much, and a few were involved in petty crime, none exhibited
the bizarre behavior of latest veterans. It is highly
doubtful the gene pool changed in a generation, so something
else must have occurred. One of the more obvious changes is
the proliferation of legal and illegal psychoactive drugs,
far beyond sedatives and pain pills. The data required for
a full scale epidemiological study is not available, and is
highly unlikely to be made available to a NGO, even through
FOIA requests. Therefore it is suggested that sampling
techniques, commonly used in quality control and statistical
process control [SPC] to estimate the attributes of an
entire population or collection from a minimal sample be
used. While there is the problem of the so-called “self
reporting bias,” a reasonably random sample with only a few
hundred responses should prove adequate to either disprove
the role of increased use of the psychoactive drugs (and
most or all of the corollary questions below) or to justify,
even mandate/force, a full blown epidemiological study, with
data from the FDA, DoD, etc., subpenaed from these agencies
by Congressional committee if necessary.

=== end of excerpts


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Unka' George

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