On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:13:48 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
.. .

Maybe never. No sex in shotguns. No man cards.

Need big magazine, like big testicles. Military-style gun. Mucho
macho. Look like movie poster. Man-Card gun.
Ed Huntress

Note the leftwinger obsession with Feel instead of Think.

It's "feel" that's going to determine the political outcome. If you
don't get that by now, you're dead on arrival.


You were once so rational. Now you are even forgetting how to spell,
which is a sad decline for an editor.

Idiot.


"playwrite" instead of playwright
"hoard of gang-bangers" instead of horde

Oooh...a grammarist. g I don't edit my posts, Jim. Neither do I get
on people for spelling or grammatical errors here, unless they're
really, really funny. d8-)

"A person who writes plays is a playwright, not a playwrite, but the
act of writing plays is usually spelled playwriting."

--
Ed Huntress

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...
On 3/3/2013 3:02 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

They're for killing people. That's who gets them -- people who are
going to kill, or threaten to kill, other people. That's what
they're
for, that's what they're all about, and that's why they're out
there.


Except for the millions and millions that are used for organized
sports and other very responsible uses.

And, they are far less lethal than originally designed, the Army's
changes ****ed that all up.

That doesn't matter.

They generate a conditioned fear response planted by the media, most
evident in urbanites with no actual counterbalancing experience with
them. So do chainsaws.

It's ironic that the most supposedly civilized environment induces the
most primitive fear and helplessness.

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:15:53 -0500, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/3/2013 3:02 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

They're for killing people. That's who gets them -- people who are
going to kill, or threaten to kill, other people. That's what they're
for, that's what they're all about, and that's why they're out there.


Except for the millions and millions that are used for organized sports
and other very responsible uses.

Sure. But as for the "millions and millions," figures projected from
the NRA-researched number from a few years ago up to Dec. 2012 says
there are around 3,750,000 of them in the US. That's around 1.2% of
guns.

Here's the best work at estimating that I've seen:

http://tinyurl.com/bwgyhg6

But again, the entire design and concept is guns for killing people. I
know that the same is true of my .45 ACP 1911 Colt, but because of its
age and limited magazine capacity, the original purpose of the gun
doesn't hit people in the face like the hit they get when they see an
AR-15, and think about where it comes from.

You should realize, and I'm sure you do, that the entire political
issue is a matter of perceptions. And the results of the Fox News
poll, and virtually every other recent poll, tell you where that
perception lies.

The indisputable fact is that, since the early '90s, when I was a DCM
range officer and was defending them in Trenton, even providing
testimony in favor ot them, the marketing ("Renew Your Man Card," says
the bare-chested dude holding a Bushmaster in a menacing pose) and the
role these guns fulfill in the commando-wannabe world have made them
the gun of choice by the mass-murdering loons. Not for ordinary crime,
but for the horror shows that have made people stop and ask what kind
of a gun culture they want for this country.


And, they are far less lethal than originally designed, the Army's
changes ****ed that all up.

Gee, what a shame. That's going to make it harder for loony gun owners
to shoot up classrooms. They may have to used big magazines and shoot
toddlers multiple times to be sure they're dead.

Oh, that's just what Adam Lanza did, isn't it.....

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:13:48 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:
You were once so rational. Now you are even forgetting how to spell,
which is a sad decline for an editor.

"playwrite" instead of playwright
"hoard of gang-bangers" instead of horde

Oooh...a grammarist. g I don't edit my posts, Jim. Neither do I
get
on people for spelling or grammatical errors here, unless they're
really, really funny. d8-)

"A person who writes plays is a playwright, not a playwrite, but the
act of writing plays is usually spelled playwriting."
Ed Huntress

-"That's what I meant, fer chrissake...."
-"oh, cripes. This must be the stroke talking.."
-Ed Huntress

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:07:12 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:13:48 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:
You were once so rational. Now you are even forgetting how to spell,
which is a sad decline for an editor.

"playwrite" instead of playwright
"hoard of gang-bangers" instead of horde

Oooh...a grammarist. g I don't edit my posts, Jim. Neither do I
get
on people for spelling or grammatical errors here, unless they're
really, really funny. d8-)

"A person who writes plays is a playwright, not a playwrite, but the
act of writing plays is usually spelled playwriting."
Ed Huntress

-"That's what I meant, fer chrissake...."
-"oh, cripes. This must be the stroke talking.."
-Ed Huntress

That's Gunner's stroke. As he's done several times lately, he's
"corrected" what I've said...by saying exactly the same thing himself.
It's something I don't remember him doing in the past, and it's
worrisome.

Now, are you going to do a Gunner and ask for a "cite"? There's one
right there, if you follow the thread back a couple of posts.

But the bigger question is, what is your point? Are you trying to
argue by pointing out spelling errors? Is that how far you've sunk,
with nothing else to grab onto?

I think so. Your arguments, like those of the gun nutz in general, are
DOA. You're floundering and sputtering over the recent polls. They
have you worried.

They should.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:07:12 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:13:48 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:
You were once so rational. Now you are even forgetting how to
spell, which is a sad decline for an editor.

"playwrite" instead of playwright
"hoard of gang-bangers" instead of horde

Oooh...a grammarist. g I don't edit my posts, Jim. Neither do I
get
on people for spelling or grammatical errors here, unless they're
really, really funny. d8-)

"A person who writes plays is a playwright, not a playwrite, but the
act of writing plays is usually spelled playwriting."
Ed Huntress

-"That's what I meant, fer chrissake...."
-"oh, cripes. This must be the stroke talking.."
-Ed Huntress

That's Gunner's stroke. As he's done several times lately, he's
"corrected" what I've said...by saying exactly the same thing himself.
It's something I don't remember him doing in the past, and it's
worrisome.

Now, are you going to do a Gunner and ask for a "cite"? There's one
right there, if you follow the thread back a couple of posts.

But the bigger question is, what is your point? Are you trying to
argue by pointing out spelling errors? Is that how far you've sunk,
with nothing else to grab onto?

I think so. Your arguments, like those of the gun nutz in general, are
DOA. You're floundering and sputtering over the recent polls. They
have you worried.

They should.

I would ask about the demographics of those polled . Equal weight and
numbers for midwest farmers , Wyoming cowboys , NYC urbanites , Arkansas
hillbillies , etc . As Sam Clemens said , there're 3 kinds - liars , damn
liars , and statisticians .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:29:11 -0600, "Snag" wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:07:12 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:13:48 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:
You were once so rational. Now you are even forgetting how to
spell, which is a sad decline for an editor.

"playwrite" instead of playwright
"hoard of gang-bangers" instead of horde

Oooh...a grammarist. g I don't edit my posts, Jim. Neither do I
get
on people for spelling or grammatical errors here, unless they're
really, really funny. d8-)

"A person who writes plays is a playwright, not a playwrite, but the
act of writing plays is usually spelled playwriting."
Ed Huntress

-"That's what I meant, fer chrissake...."
-"oh, cripes. This must be the stroke talking.."
-Ed Huntress

That's Gunner's stroke. As he's done several times lately, he's
"corrected" what I've said...by saying exactly the same thing himself.
It's something I don't remember him doing in the past, and it's
worrisome.

Now, are you going to do a Gunner and ask for a "cite"? There's one
right there, if you follow the thread back a couple of posts.

But the bigger question is, what is your point? Are you trying to
argue by pointing out spelling errors? Is that how far you've sunk,
with nothing else to grab onto?

I think so. Your arguments, like those of the gun nutz in general, are
DOA. You're floundering and sputtering over the recent polls. They
have you worried.

They should.

I would ask about the demographics of those polled . Equal weight and
numbers for midwest farmers , Wyoming cowboys , NYC urbanites , Arkansas
hillbillies , etc . As Sam Clemens said , there're 3 kinds - liars , damn
liars , and statisticians .

When you get 5 or 6 polls from different sources, ranging from ABC to
Fox News, and they all say roughly the same thing, it's time to stop
trying to second-guess their sampling methods.

Those polls are all run by experts who know exactly how to do a random
sample, Snag. You won't get anywhere by trying to pick holes in them,
except to dig a hole of denial for yourself.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sunday, March 3, 2013 1:27:11 PM UTC-8, Snag wrote:
Ed Huntress wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:29:09 -0800, Gunner

wrote:

Isnt that Pesky 2nd Amendment a total pain in the ass for you Blue

staters and the Media who propagandize so well?



Not at all. The Second Amerndment doesn't protect them. See D.C. v.

Heller. Where does it say ARs are protected?



Actually Gunner , he's just expressing his opinion of one particular model

of semi-auto rifle . While I see the utility value of a semi-auto for

certain situations ... I do not now own nor do I plan on purchasing an

AR15/M16 clone . It's long been my opinion that they're not worth the asking

price TO ME . 5.56 MM is designed to WOUND , which ties up a lot more

resources and personnel than outright killing . While that is acceptable and

in fact desirable in a military action , I for one do not want a bunch of

wounded guys hollerin' out in the front yard . Not only will that attract

more pests , it may very well disturb my sleep . I like .30 cal minimum for

defense ...

Now before y'all jump on me for "wanting to mow 'em down as they attack"

let me just say that that is ONE scenario , which if I get my stuff right

will never happen . I'd much rather slip away unseen and unheard than have

an armed confrontation . Actually , where I'm moving to pretty much

everybody is of a like mind , rendering the point moot . Country boy can

survive ...

--

Snag

Learning keeps

you young !



one of the cool things about the AR platform is that by simply swapping
the upper receiver you can go to .300.

although not of much value for hunting, if you build the round correctly it's suppressible.

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:47:52 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:29:11 -0600, "Snag" wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:07:12 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:13:48 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:
You were once so rational. Now you are even forgetting how to
spell, which is a sad decline for an editor.

"playwrite" instead of playwright
"hoard of gang-bangers" instead of horde

Oooh...a grammarist. g I don't edit my posts, Jim. Neither do I
get
on people for spelling or grammatical errors here, unless they're
really, really funny. d8-)

"A person who writes plays is a playwright, not a playwrite, but the
act of writing plays is usually spelled playwriting."
Ed Huntress

-"That's what I meant, fer chrissake...."
-"oh, cripes. This must be the stroke talking.."
-Ed Huntress

That's Gunner's stroke. As he's done several times lately, he's
"corrected" what I've said...by saying exactly the same thing himself.
It's something I don't remember him doing in the past, and it's
worrisome.

Now, are you going to do a Gunner and ask for a "cite"? There's one
right there, if you follow the thread back a couple of posts.

But the bigger question is, what is your point? Are you trying to
argue by pointing out spelling errors? Is that how far you've sunk,
with nothing else to grab onto?

I think so. Your arguments, like those of the gun nutz in general, are
DOA. You're floundering and sputtering over the recent polls. They
have you worried.

They should.

I would ask about the demographics of those polled . Equal weight and
numbers for midwest farmers , Wyoming cowboys , NYC urbanites , Arkansas
hillbillies , etc . As Sam Clemens said , there're 3 kinds - liars , damn
liars , and statisticians .

When you get 5 or 6 polls from different sources, ranging from ABC to
Fox News, and they all say roughly the same thing, it's time to stop
trying to second-guess their sampling methods.

Those polls are all run by experts who know exactly how to do a random
sample, Snag. You won't get anywhere by trying to pick holes in them,
except to dig a hole of denial for yourself.

(parody of rightwinger, Homer Simpson voice)

Mmmm, hole of denial.

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 14:54:58 -0800, whoyakidding's ghost
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:47:52 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:29:11 -0600, "Snag" wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:07:12 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:13:48 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:
You were once so rational. Now you are even forgetting how to
spell, which is a sad decline for an editor.

"playwrite" instead of playwright
"hoard of gang-bangers" instead of horde

Oooh...a grammarist. g I don't edit my posts, Jim. Neither do I
get
on people for spelling or grammatical errors here, unless they're
really, really funny. d8-)

"A person who writes plays is a playwright, not a playwrite, but the
act of writing plays is usually spelled playwriting."
Ed Huntress

-"That's what I meant, fer chrissake...."
-"oh, cripes. This must be the stroke talking.."
-Ed Huntress

That's Gunner's stroke. As he's done several times lately, he's
"corrected" what I've said...by saying exactly the same thing himself.
It's something I don't remember him doing in the past, and it's
worrisome.

Now, are you going to do a Gunner and ask for a "cite"? There's one
right there, if you follow the thread back a couple of posts.

But the bigger question is, what is your point? Are you trying to
argue by pointing out spelling errors? Is that how far you've sunk,
with nothing else to grab onto?

I think so. Your arguments, like those of the gun nutz in general, are
DOA. You're floundering and sputtering over the recent polls. They
have you worried.

They should.

I would ask about the demographics of those polled . Equal weight and
numbers for midwest farmers , Wyoming cowboys , NYC urbanites , Arkansas
hillbillies , etc . As Sam Clemens said , there're 3 kinds - liars , damn
liars , and statisticians .

When you get 5 or 6 polls from different sources, ranging from ABC to
Fox News, and they all say roughly the same thing, it's time to stop
trying to second-guess their sampling methods.

Those polls are all run by experts who know exactly how to do a random
sample, Snag. You won't get anywhere by trying to pick holes in them,
except to dig a hole of denial for yourself.

(parody of rightwinger, Homer Simpson voice)

Mmmm, hole of denial.

LOL! Yeah, that does sound a little Homer-Simpsonish. g

--
Ed Huntress

On Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:02:51 PM UTC-8, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:15:53 -0500, Tom Gardner

wrote:



On 3/3/2013 3:02 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:



They're for killing people. That's who gets them -- people who are

going to kill, or threaten to kill, other people. That's what they're

for, that's what they're all about, and that's why they're out there.





Except for the millions and millions that are used for organized sports

and other very responsible uses.



Sure. But as for the "millions and millions," figures projected from

the NRA-researched number from a few years ago up to Dec. 2012 says

there are around 3,750,000 of them in the US. That's around 1.2% of

guns.



Here's the best work at estimating that I've seen:



http://tinyurl.com/bwgyhg6



But again, the entire design and concept is guns for killing people. I

know that the same is true of my .45 ACP 1911 Colt, but because of its

age and limited magazine capacity, the original purpose of the gun

doesn't hit people in the face like the hit they get when they see an

AR-15, and think about where it comes from.



You should realize, and I'm sure you do, that the entire political

issue is a matter of perceptions. And the results of the Fox News

poll, and virtually every other recent poll, tell you where that

perception lies.



The indisputable fact is that, since the early '90s, when I was a DCM

range officer and was defending them in Trenton, even providing

testimony in favor ot them, the marketing ("Renew Your Man Card," says

the bare-chested dude holding a Bushmaster in a menacing pose) and the

role these guns fulfill in the commando-wannabe world have made them

the gun of choice by the mass-murdering loons. Not for ordinary crime,

but for the horror shows that have made people stop and ask what kind

of a gun culture they want for this country.





And, they are far less lethal than originally designed, the Army's

changes ****ed that all up.



Gee, what a shame. That's going to make it harder for loony gun owners

to shoot up classrooms. They may have to used big magazines and shoot

toddlers multiple times to be sure they're dead.



Oh, that's just what Adam Lanza did, isn't it.....



--

Ed Huntress



but you have to admitt Ed, detect and fix the Adam L's of the world and
these arguments all become moot.

it should be about the broken people not the inadament objects.

i didn't say it's an easy task, but the fact that the focus of the debate is mostly on the objects and rather then the people is disingenuous at best.

Ed Huntress wrote:
Those polls are all run by experts who know exactly how to do a random
sample, Snag. You won't get anywhere by trying to pick holes in them,
except to dig a hole of denial for yourself.

As I said upthread , I neither own nor desire to own an AR-platform weapon
.. I also agree with you? whoever it was that said basically that this
particular firearm has been demonized by the MSM .
EEEEEEEeeeeeviiiiillllllllll assault weapon ! Good only for killin'
innercent chirrens and mall shoppers .
I'll just have to make do with Dad's 7.7 Arisaka and my 20 ga bolt shotgun
.. Oh , and that bow and arrow set I made from an Osage Orange tree and plum
saplings .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

On 3/3/2013 4:27 PM, Snag wrote:
Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:29:09 -0800, Gunner
wrote:
Isnt that Pesky 2nd Amendment a total pain in the ass for you Blue
staters and the Media who propagandize so well?

Not at all. The Second Amerndment doesn't protect them. See D.C. v.
Heller. Where does it say ARs are protected?

Actually Gunner , he's just expressing his opinion of one particular model
of semi-auto rifle . While I see the utility value of a semi-auto for
certain situations ... I do not now own nor do I plan on purchasing an
AR15/M16 clone . It's long been my opinion that they're not worth the asking
price TO ME . 5.56 MM is designed to WOUND , which ties up a lot more
resources and personnel than outright killing . While that is acceptable and
in fact desirable in a military action , I for one do not want a bunch of
wounded guys hollerin' out in the front yard . Not only will that attract
more pests , it may very well disturb my sleep . I like .30 cal minimum for
defense ...
Now before y'all jump on me for "wanting to mow 'em down as they attack"
let me just say that that is ONE scenario , which if I get my stuff right
will never happen . I'd much rather slip away unseen and unheard than have
an armed confrontation . Actually , where I'm moving to pretty much
everybody is of a like mind , rendering the point moot . Country boy can
survive ...


I won't own an AR either but I know a lot of people that use them in
competitions and I defend the spirit of the SA. It's not unreasonable
to want or own an AR or an AK just because they look mean to leftists
and are used in .012% of murders. To prevent gun crime, keep guns out
of the hands of those that commit gun crimes...leftists!

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 15:02:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:02:51 PM UTC-8, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:15:53 -0500, Tom Gardner

wrote:



On 3/3/2013 3:02 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:



They're for killing people. That's who gets them -- people who are

going to kill, or threaten to kill, other people. That's what they're

for, that's what they're all about, and that's why they're out there.





Except for the millions and millions that are used for organized sports

and other very responsible uses.



Sure. But as for the "millions and millions," figures projected from

the NRA-researched number from a few years ago up to Dec. 2012 says

there are around 3,750,000 of them in the US. That's around 1.2% of

guns.



Here's the best work at estimating that I've seen:



http://tinyurl.com/bwgyhg6



But again, the entire design and concept is guns for killing people. I

know that the same is true of my .45 ACP 1911 Colt, but because of its

age and limited magazine capacity, the original purpose of the gun

doesn't hit people in the face like the hit they get when they see an

AR-15, and think about where it comes from.



You should realize, and I'm sure you do, that the entire political

issue is a matter of perceptions. And the results of the Fox News

poll, and virtually every other recent poll, tell you where that

perception lies.



The indisputable fact is that, since the early '90s, when I was a DCM

range officer and was defending them in Trenton, even providing

testimony in favor ot them, the marketing ("Renew Your Man Card," says

the bare-chested dude holding a Bushmaster in a menacing pose) and the

role these guns fulfill in the commando-wannabe world have made them

the gun of choice by the mass-murdering loons. Not for ordinary crime,

but for the horror shows that have made people stop and ask what kind

of a gun culture they want for this country.





And, they are far less lethal than originally designed, the Army's

changes ****ed that all up.



Gee, what a shame. That's going to make it harder for loony gun owners

to shoot up classrooms. They may have to used big magazines and shoot

toddlers multiple times to be sure they're dead.



Oh, that's just what Adam Lanza did, isn't it.....



--

Ed Huntress



but you have to admitt Ed, detect and fix the Adam L's of the world and
these arguments all become moot.

It's a nice thought, but I think even a genuine (and expensive) effort
would produce very little result, and only at the margins, at best.

We haven't seen the full report but Lanza apparently was somewhere on
the autism spectrum, possibly Asperger's syndrome, and that isn't
normally violent. Nor does it get you a mental-disorder report that
suggests you're dangerous. My wife, a special-ed teacher, has taught
dozens of those kids and I've been around many of them. I would never
associate it with the kind of lunacy that drove him to mass murder.

Lanza apparently tried to buy a gun at a gun shop but didn't want to
wait. (CT has a waiting period.) Maybe that could have stopped him
cold, if his mother didn't have guns. Or maybe he would have just
waited it out. It seems unlikely, from what we know about him so far,
that he would have been denied a legal purchase.

Another problem is that people who are denied guns, or anything else,
because of psych records are going to be litigating like hell. It
sounds like the Lawyer's Full Employment Act.

I'm just skeptical. I don't see us paying for it, nor do I see any way
it will be more than marginally effective.


it should be about the broken people not the inadament objects.

That would be ideal. I don't think it will, or that it can, happen.


i didn't say it's an easy task, but the fact that the focus of the debate is mostly on the objects and rather then the people is disingenuous at best.

Well, not necessarily. I would prefer not to see any bans, but making
it very difficult for nut cases to get guns sounds like a good idea. I
don't care what happens with ARs, but my concern now is, given the
polls, what else would get thrown out with the bathwater.

We've allowed a really sick gun culture to infect and overwhelm our
traditional one. I'm surprised that more people weren't alarmed before
now about what's happened to a gun culture in which the hottest
sellers are high-capacity military-style guns. And I'm a former DCM
range officer, myself, as well as a former NRA-certified rifle
instructor. I never imagined that marketing for one of the hottest
selling guns would be "Renew Your Man Card," and that it would work
like crazy.

--
Ed Huntress

On 3/3/2013 5:02 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:15:53 -0500, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/3/2013 3:02 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

They're for killing people. That's who gets them -- people who are
going to kill, or threaten to kill, other people. That's what they're
for, that's what they're all about, and that's why they're out there.


Except for the millions and millions that are used for organized sports
and other very responsible uses.

Sure. But as for the "millions and millions," figures projected from
the NRA-researched number from a few years ago up to Dec. 2012 says
there are around 3,750,000 of them in the US. That's around 1.2% of
guns.

Here's the best work at estimating that I've seen:

http://tinyurl.com/bwgyhg6

But again, the entire design and concept is guns for killing people. I
know that the same is true of my .45 ACP 1911 Colt, but because of its
age and limited magazine capacity, the original purpose of the gun
doesn't hit people in the face like the hit they get when they see an
AR-15, and think about where it comes from.

You should realize, and I'm sure you do, that the entire political
issue is a matter of perceptions. And the results of the Fox News
poll, and virtually every other recent poll, tell you where that
perception lies.

The indisputable fact is that, since the early '90s, when I was a DCM
range officer and was defending them in Trenton, even providing
testimony in favor ot them, the marketing ("Renew Your Man Card," says
the bare-chested dude holding a Bushmaster in a menacing pose) and the
role these guns fulfill in the commando-wannabe world have made them
the gun of choice by the mass-murdering loons. Not for ordinary crime,
but for the horror shows that have made people stop and ask what kind
of a gun culture they want for this country.


And, they are far less lethal than originally designed, the Army's
changes ****ed that all up.

Gee, what a shame. That's going to make it harder for loony gun owners
to shoot up classrooms. They may have to used big magazines and shoot
toddlers multiple times to be sure they're dead.

Oh, that's just what Adam Lanza did, isn't it.....


Tell me, what percentage of murders are committed by AR's? Is
sensationalism and hype the best impetus for drastic laws that challenge
the Constitution? What if Lanza used a chainsaw? Would the left ban
chainsaws that had more than 1/2 oz gas tanks and one tooth chains or
make them hand-crank powered?

Probably 90% of AR's are in somebody's closet gathering dust until the
subject comes up and they get shown off, then back in the closet. They
are probably devoid of maintenance and won't work.

On Mar 3, 2:21*pm, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 3/3/2013 12:20 AM, Stanley Schaefer wrote:

snip

They can't come back as complete guns, so current practice is to strip
them, scrap the lowers and barrels and import the rest. *Some kits for
sale had the auto sear and spring when they were first imported, those
were taken out with later kits. *You do NOT want them unless you like
10 year vacations. *Quality on those parts kits is the same as new
Colt-made parts of the same era. *Barrels can no longer be imported.

Stan

Why were the barrels scrapped? *Why can't barrels be imported?

Because they're "assault rifle" barrels. Could be imported until BATF
changed it's collective mind a few years back. Can be imported if
they're torched in two, though. If you see parts kits for sale with
barrels, they're either new US mfg. barrels or the kits came in prior
to the ruling.

Stan

On 3/3/2013 6:32 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
We've allowed a really sick gun culture to infect and overwhelm our
traditional one. I'm surprised that more people weren't alarmed before
now about what's happened to a gun culture in which the hottest
sellers are high-capacity military-style guns. And I'm a former DCM
range officer, myself, as well as a former NRA-certified rifle
instructor. I never imagined that marketing for one of the hottest
selling guns would be "Renew Your Man Card," and that it would work
like crazy.



Simple solution: In order to own guns you must be licensed, like a CCW.
Then you can own no guns or a bunch...the gov will never know.

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:22:13 -0600, "Snag" wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
Those polls are all run by experts who know exactly how to do a random
sample, Snag. You won't get anywhere by trying to pick holes in them,
except to dig a hole of denial for yourself.

As I said upthread , I neither own nor desire to own an AR-platform weapon
. I also agree with you? whoever it was that said basically that this
particular firearm has been demonized by the MSM .
EEEEEEEeeeeeviiiiillllllllll assault weapon ! Good only for killin'
innercent chirrens and mall shoppers .
I'll just have to make do with Dad's 7.7 Arisaka and my 20 ga bolt shotgun
. Oh , and that bow and arrow set I made from an Osage Orange tree and plum
saplings .

I think you'll be better off. As for the "demonizing," it's the result
of some facts on the ground, some really perverse marketing, and that
sickness I talk about that has infected American gun culture. Of
course the press has picked up on it, particularly the horrific mass
killings in which they have been involved. They cover the news, and
that's been the news.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:39:27 -0500, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/3/2013 5:02 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:15:53 -0500, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/3/2013 3:02 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

They're for killing people. That's who gets them -- people who are
going to kill, or threaten to kill, other people. That's what they're
for, that's what they're all about, and that's why they're out there.


Except for the millions and millions that are used for organized sports
and other very responsible uses.

Sure. But as for the "millions and millions," figures projected from
the NRA-researched number from a few years ago up to Dec. 2012 says
there are around 3,750,000 of them in the US. That's around 1.2% of
guns.

Here's the best work at estimating that I've seen:

http://tinyurl.com/bwgyhg6

But again, the entire design and concept is guns for killing people. I
know that the same is true of my .45 ACP 1911 Colt, but because of its
age and limited magazine capacity, the original purpose of the gun
doesn't hit people in the face like the hit they get when they see an
AR-15, and think about where it comes from.

You should realize, and I'm sure you do, that the entire political
issue is a matter of perceptions. And the results of the Fox News
poll, and virtually every other recent poll, tell you where that
perception lies.

The indisputable fact is that, since the early '90s, when I was a DCM
range officer and was defending them in Trenton, even providing
testimony in favor ot them, the marketing ("Renew Your Man Card," says
the bare-chested dude holding a Bushmaster in a menacing pose) and the
role these guns fulfill in the commando-wannabe world have made them
the gun of choice by the mass-murdering loons. Not for ordinary crime,
but for the horror shows that have made people stop and ask what kind
of a gun culture they want for this country.


And, they are far less lethal than originally designed, the Army's
changes ****ed that all up.

Gee, what a shame. That's going to make it harder for loony gun owners
to shoot up classrooms. They may have to used big magazines and shoot
toddlers multiple times to be sure they're dead.

Oh, that's just what Adam Lanza did, isn't it.....


Tell me, what percentage of murders are committed by AR's?

It's very small, but it really isn't a part of the perception, nor of
what they say about gun owners who defend them.

Is
sensationalism and hype the best impetus for drastic laws that challenge
the Constitution?

Do you consider the mass murders at Aurora and Sandy Hook to be
"hype"? "Sensationalism"?

They ARE sensational, by their very nature. It doesn't require any
hype for the majority of Americans to recognize the role those guns
are playing.

What if Lanza used a chainsaw? Would the left ban
chainsaws that had more than 1/2 oz gas tanks and one tooth chains or
make them hand-crank powered?

Firstly, he wouldn't have gotten very far with a chainsaw. That's what
guns are so ideal for, and at which they're so very effective. He
chose an AR for very good reasons. For his purpose, he picked the
right tool.


Probably 90% of AR's are in somebody's closet gathering dust until the
subject comes up and they get shown off, then back in the closet. They
are probably devoid of maintenance and won't work.

That's probably true.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:43:50 -0500, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/3/2013 6:32 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
We've allowed a really sick gun culture to infect and overwhelm our
traditional one. I'm surprised that more people weren't alarmed before
now about what's happened to a gun culture in which the hottest
sellers are high-capacity military-style guns. And I'm a former DCM
range officer, myself, as well as a former NRA-certified rifle
instructor. I never imagined that marketing for one of the hottest
selling guns would be "Renew Your Man Card," and that it would work
like crazy.



Simple solution: In order to own guns you must be licensed, like a CCW.
Then you can own no guns or a bunch...the gov will never know.

It would do about half the job. Then you have to figure out what to do
about straw purchases.

What would you do?

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

Another problem is that people who are denied guns, or anything else,
because of psych records are going to


Gun show loophole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_sho..._United_States

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:06:42 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
wrote:


"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
.. .

Another problem is that people who are denied guns, or anything else,
because of psych records are going to


Gun show loophole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_sho..._United_States

Yeah, well, we're going to have 100% background checks before long.
The polls on this range from 80% in favor to 92% in favor. Among gun
owners, it runs from something like 70% to 85%.

That still leaves straw purchases untouched, from all sources.

--
Ed Huntress

RogerN wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

?On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 23:24:23 -0800, Gunner ?
?wrote:
?
?snip?
???
???What are you going to do with it if you ever finish it?
??
??
??Im sure he is going to simply "collect it".
?
?He builds it, and then collects it?? "RogernN, maker of collectible
?poodle-shooters."

Why do you call it a poodle shooter?


Don't feed the whoremongering troll.

wrote:

What is it that you think they're focused on fixing?

You give them way too much credit.
It's all about politics, and there is no focus to fix anything.
If they wanted to fix something they'd focus on the "mental health"
system. But that's way to difficult a problem and costs way to much
money.


If they focused on mental health, most of their family friends would
be committed to overflowing asylums.

Gunner wrote:

Eddie is a BlueStater from the East Coast. You will have to judge
his postings based on that fact. Sadly


They are blue, because they never get enough oxygen to their tiny
brains. If their brains were normal sized, it would kill them rather
than make them babble like angry fools.

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 19:35:25 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:06:42 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
wrote:


"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
. ..

Another problem is that people who are denied guns, or anything else,
because of psych records are going to


Gun show loophole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_sho..._United_States

Yeah, well, we're going to have 100% background checks before long.
The polls on this range from 80% in favor to 92% in favor. Among gun
owners, it runs from something like 70% to 85%.

.... which I bet will prevent many posters here from qualifying.

That still leaves straw purchases untouched, from all sources.

Straw buyers will be able to charge more and more for their
services... until they get caught. Then they can expect the same
public sentiment as child molesters. The hammer is coming down on the
whole racket. Eventually a lot of bozos will be lucky to afford a zip
gun.

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:22:13 -0600, "Snag" wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
Those polls are all run by experts who know exactly how to do a
random sample, Snag. You won't get anywhere by trying to pick holes
in them, except to dig a hole of denial for yourself.

As I said upthread , I neither own nor desire to own an AR-platform
weapon . I also agree with you? whoever it was that said
basically that this particular firearm has been demonized by the
MSM . EEEEEEEeeeeeviiiiillllllllll assault weapon ! Good only for
killin' innercent chirrens and mall shoppers .
I'll just have to make do with Dad's 7.7 Arisaka and my 20 ga bolt
shotgun . Oh , and that bow and arrow set I made from an Osage
Orange tree and plum saplings .

I think you'll be better off. As for the "demonizing," it's the result
of some facts on the ground, some really perverse marketing, and that
sickness I talk about that has infected American gun culture. Of
course the press has picked up on it, particularly the horrific mass
killings in which they have been involved. They cover the news, and
that's been the news.

I understand all that , Ed . My point was that it is a matter of
perception , not necessarily of fact . IF AR's were cheaper , I might have
bought one . There are , however , other choices out there that do the same
job equally well - or better .
BTW , I don't own an AK either .
--
Snag
My dick's
big enough
without a gun .
But I DO ride a Harley ...
Not to get all personal or anything , but on our wedding night she said
"you're gonna put that WHERE ?
Then she fainted .

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 08:37:37 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 00:40:40 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
. ..

On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 22:40:31 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:

It seems the bolt carrier group is the hard to get part for AR-15's
currently. I have found old Colt M16 A1 parts kits, "good to excellent"
minus lower receiver and barrel (plus missing auto-sear or disconnector).
Would the M16 bolt carrier group be good in an AR-15?

I found some bolt carrier groups in stock for $300 but the M16 parts kits
are available in the $500 - $600 range, seems to be a better value maybe.
I
read a review of one of these parts kits being assembled, they said it was
a
good shooter.

RogerN

Jesus. For a poodle shooter? I paid less than that for a classic Black
Beauty Double in 12 gauge, and the forcing cone was even relieved for
star crimps.

What are you going to do with it if you ever finish it?

--
Ed Huntress

I'd probably just use it for target shooting and occasional varmints. The
cartridges are kind of cute, like miniatures of my hunting rifle Winchester
Magnum cartridges. We gave a lot of Coyotes around here, I can hear them
when a train is in the area. If it was legal to deer hunt with rifles here
I'd get a 308 version.

I think I'll complete at least the "95%" receiver, I just have to drill 3
holes and mill out a pocket for the trigger group. If I ever get a shop
building here and get my machines moved there's a better chance of me
getting the 0% lowers done. The rifles are looking pretty cheap compared to
some of the optics, I'd like to have one with good daytime optics, one with
night vision, and one with FLIR if they become more affordable than the one
I saw for $7500.

RogerN

Wow. I hope you feel you're getting your money's worth.

Someone on another site mentioned that "if it is black and you call it
a "tactical" whatchamacallit you can charge double the price" :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 08:54:29 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
.. .

On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 23:24:23 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

snip

What are you going to do with it if you ever finish it?


Im sure he is going to simply "collect it".

He builds it, and then collects it?? "RogernN, maker of collectible
poodle-shooters."

Why do you call it a poodle shooter? The US military didn't use them to
shoot poodles. The army manual says they can be effective out to 600 yards.
I already have many rifles that aren't on the "assault weapons ban" list,
I'm wanting the guns that gun grabbers don't want me to have.


No the Army determined that aimed fire, for all the talk about it, was
very seldom used in battle and that the number of causalities was in
direct proportion to the number of shots fired and that the longer
range capabilities of the 30-06 or 308 were almost never used in
actual combat which usually takes place at much shorter distances and
finally that a soldier can carry a lot more light ammunition than he
can heavy.

You can research this yourself as the information is in the public
domain.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:45:43 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:52:15 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 09:47:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Just curious, do you really believe banning a particular style of weapon is

going to fix the urban/social problem?



No.


Well I was just trying to figure out if you were a real "whacky" or if there
was some thought running around up there.

Yeah, I syppathize with your frustration.

I'll tell ya, it's interesting as hell to walk into a gun store and see
weapons I bought over two decades ago going for 400% of what I paid for them.

Well, the Browning Superposed my aunt bought for my uncle in 1952 (at
Abercrombie & Fitch in NYC -- another story) cost her $64. I had the
receipt. g

And the average weekly wage was under $20 in 1952

I don't know about "average" but I was making $60.00 a week in 1952.


Tell that to the Koreans in LA

Gunner
--
Cheers,

John B.

"Snag" wrote in message
...

As I said upthread , I neither own nor desire to own an AR-platform
weapon

I have several...they've got laser targeting, 5000 round magazines, they're
turret mounted, and servo controlled via linux emc...

PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
"Snag" wrote in message
...

As I said upthread , I neither own nor desire to own an AR-platform
weapon

I have several...they've got laser targeting, 5000 round magazines,
they're turret mounted, and servo controlled via linux emc...

I guess this means you need a wheelbarrow to haul your dick around ...
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:13:48 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
.. .

Maybe never. No sex in shotguns. No man cards.

Need big magazine, like big testicles. Military-style gun. Mucho
macho. Look like movie poster. Man-Card gun.
Ed Huntress

Note the leftwinger obsession with Feel instead of Think.

Is he also the one who trotted out "Why do you need that kind of
weapon for hunting?" etc.


You were once so rational. Now you are even forgetting how to spell,
which is a sad decline for an editor.

"playwrite" instead of playwright
"hoard of gang-bangers" instead of horde

Senility (or Alzy?) is hell for him, I'll bet. Well, it would be if
he still has any sense of reality left in him. g

Join me: Plonk him and forget him.

--
If more sane people were armed,
crazy people would get off fewer shots.
Support the 2nd Amendment

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:35:19 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 08:54:29 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:

And if the gun grabbers start confiscating guns, I hope to join the 2nd
civil war and die fighting for my country giving the anti-Americans my ammo
first.


Roger..plan to make the other poor ******* die for HIS bleeves. It
makes retirement and getting a bit of pussy now and then..so much
better when you are there to enjoy it.

I -believe- (hope?) he meant that he was going to give those damned
anti-American gun grabbers his ammo one round at a time, starting with
the heavy ends.

And, yes, winning means letting the other guy die instead of yourself.

Vive le Résistance!

--
If more sane people were armed,
crazy people would get off fewer shots.
Support the 2nd Amendment

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:39:16 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

Eddie is a BlueStater from the East Coast. You will have to judge
his postings based on that fact. Sadly

Ed is a poodle. 'Nuff said?

--
If more sane people were armed,
crazy people would get off fewer shots.
Support the 2nd Amendment

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 15:02:11 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:33:43 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 09:18:56 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 23:24:23 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 00:06:00 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 22:40:31 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:

It seems the bolt carrier group is the hard to get part for AR-15's
currently. I have found old Colt M16 A1 parts kits, "good to excellent"
minus lower receiver and barrel (plus missing auto-sear or disconnector).
Would the M16 bolt carrier group be good in an AR-15?

I found some bolt carrier groups in stock for $300 but the M16 parts kits
are available in the $500 - $600 range, seems to be a better value maybe. I
read a review of one of these parts kits being assembled, they said it was a
good shooter.

RogerN

Jesus. For a poodle shooter? I paid less than that for a classic Black
Beauty Double in 12 gauge, and the forcing cone was even relieved for
star crimps.

What are you going to do with it if you ever finish it?


Im sure he is going to simply "collect it".

He builds it, and then collects it?? "RogernN, maker of collectible
poodle-shooters."

Some people collect Beanie Babies, others collect Hummel porcelein,
others collect rubber bands. A "poodle shooter" has been fine for the
US military (and many other nations) for 50 yrs so far. So whats
your problem?

Made by Roger? That's collectible??

Sure it is. Its work at least $1000. That...is collectable.


Your president has made many large Gifts of them to other nations and
many cartels. You mean he is a cheap ******* for handing them out
like candy?

They're for killing people. That's who gets them -- people who are
going to kill, or threaten to kill, other people. That's what they're
for, that's what they're all about, and that's why they're out there.

Odd..then why are there far far more hammer deaths then AR15 deaths
each year? Are you claiming that Hammers are made for killing people?
Or just tryin to avoid that because it makes you look like an utter
idiot?


How about ol' Rog? Besides, he's clearly said that he hopes to use it
for shooting people in the "Second Civil War." That isn't collecting,
unless he's planning to mount their heads for display on his wall.

When the Great Cull happens..and it will...VBG..one will need
something to defend oneself from those rampaging herds of stampeding
Leftwingers. One could use an AR to shoot enough of them to get a
good pile going so you can hide behind it and not be trampled by them.

Seems like a couple magazines fired into the foremost line of the herd
could get a pretty good breakwater up, dont you think?

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 15:17:09 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:42:36 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:51:05 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 07:58:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:





Because they're the weapon of choice for gun owners to kill masses of

1st grade children and theater goers. It's a cultural thing, like

outlawing the wearing of pants on Main Street, that have no crotch.




Ed,

Just curious, do you really believe banning a particular style of weapon is
going to fix the urban/social problem?

No. But outlawing the practice of walking through town with your dick
hanging out isn't going to stop rapes, either. I have no problem with
people who want to outlaw either one. As Robert Bork said, all laws
are legislation of morality, and many of those moral choices we have
to live with are the opinions of other people. That's democracy for
you.

Look, Roger let on that his real reason for building an AR is to be
ready to slaughter liberals in the Second Civil War. Like Gunner and
Larry, he's a Walter Mitty Minuteman, with camo and night-vision
goggles. He yearns for the opportunity to kill people he doesn't like
and he knows that an AR is both practically and symbolically the right
tool for the job.

Roger wants to flaunt the child-killing guns, the guns used for mass
slaughter of civilians. Based on the polls, most people consider those
guns to be obscene, for just that reason. I'd like to see how many
people think that walking down the street waving your wang is obscene.
I'll guess that the numbers are similar.


Forget politics for a bit, but just focus on the social issue. What would you
do to solve the problem?

The urban social problem? Sorry, that one is 'way above my pay grade.


You seem to be familiar with guns, what weapon would be a better choice for close in work?

On first graders, or on liberals?


Do you really believe it's about the weapon or people? I guess that's what
I'd like to know about you?

It's the weapons that those people choose, and it's the people
themselves. The two go together like a hand in a glove.

The obnoxious thing about ARs, particularly of those that people have
bought in the last few months, is that the big attraction is that
they're the best, proven massacre guns on the civilian market. They
have fame by association and people are paying outrageous sums for
fame, to get a little of that "Man Card" rub-off that Bushmaster
promoted before Sandy Hook. (they've taken their ads for that down. No
more "renewing your Man Card" with a Bushmaster, bub. But Bushmaster
knew their market, all right.) They're really ****ty guns for any
reasonable civilian use: ammo-sensitive, requiring stunt work to shoot
anywhere near the groups of a good bolt-action; terrible lock times
from early in the last century, like a 1917 Enfield; in .223, one of
the more useless cartridges for civilian use this side of a .25-20.

But they're great for killing kids huddled up in a classroom.

Instead of wanting to distance themselves from the guns used in Aurora
and Sandy Hook, these clowns seem to be buying them because of their
fame as slaughter-guns. They're evidence of a disease that has
permeated gun culture in the US, and my fear is that it could be
fatal.

Now, stand back while I paper-patch my smoke pole, by cracky. d8-)

Isnt it interesting to watch the Eastern Blue State mind set displayed
publicly like that, boys and girls?

This is the sort of thing that those of us that live west of Boston so
often never see.

Read it again and again..and remember where DC is.

Right! And check out the latest Fox News poll to see what *real*
Americans think about banning ARs and other semi-automatic weapons. In
the poll, 54% to 42% want to...uh...ummm................ban them.

sob!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/inte...d-gun-control/

January 18th is the latest poll?

Laugh laugh laugh!

Try again Teddy.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 15:43:13 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:29:09 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 14:45:11 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 13:15:14 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 12:24:55 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
news:35t6j81f4e5lrcaj2bspdnu3u54e2aniih@4ax. com...
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 07:58:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

The obnoxious thing about ARs, particularly of those that people
have
bought in the last few months, is that the big attraction is that
they're the best, proven massacre guns on the civilian market.

Ed Huntress

Last week I stopped by the station and took a peek at the local SWAT
team's gear. They've changed from HKs to those 'really ****ty'
massacre guns, short barrel and full auto.

The quote was:

'They're really ****ty guns for any reasonable civilian use:
ammo-sensitive, requiring stunt work to shoot anywhere near the
groups
of a good bolt-action; terrible lock times from early in the last
century, like a 1917 Enfield; in .223, one of the more useless
cartridges for civilian use this side of a .25-20."

Now, if you consider the work of a SWAT team to be a "reasonable
civilian use," you're part of the problem.

Why did you snip that out?

--
Ed Huntress

For Army and Marine veterans the operation of the AR-15 is instinctive
when they jump out of bed from a loud noise in the night. It goes from
safely unloaded to fully ready to shoot in under two seconds. Perhaps
Navy and AF vets and civilians would be better off with a shotgun,
though you can't slap a mag in an unloaded one by feel. I carried a
.45ACP on duty too but didn't train enough with it.
http://everything2.com/title/Perform...at+S.P.O.R.T.S.
jsw

Hmm. Marines. Camo. Slappin' mags. Shoot in two seconds. 'Sounds like
candy for a mass-murdering nutcase.

Which, of course, is why they use them. That's their identity. That's
their attraction. And that's why, in a civilian environment, even in
NORTH FREAKING CAROLINA (poll reported from HPU Survey Research
Center, 2/28/13), more than half of Americans want to ban those
obscene suckers.


Isnt that Pesky 2nd Amendment a total pain in the ass for you Blue
staters and the Media who propagandize so well?

Not at all. The Second Amerndment doesn't protect them. See D.C. v.
Heller. Where does it say ARs are protected?

"The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be Infringed"

2nd Amendment covers it quite nicely, thank you very much

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 15:27:11 -0600, "Snag" wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:29:09 -0800, Gunner
wrote:
Isnt that Pesky 2nd Amendment a total pain in the ass for you Blue
staters and the Media who propagandize so well?

Not at all. The Second Amerndment doesn't protect them. See D.C. v.
Heller. Where does it say ARs are protected?

Actually Gunner , he's just expressing his opinion of one particular model
of semi-auto rifle . While I see the utility value of a semi-auto for
certain situations ... I do not now own nor do I plan on purchasing an
AR15/M16 clone . It's long been my opinion that they're not worth the asking
price TO ME . 5.56 MM is designed to WOUND , which ties up a lot more
resources and personnel than outright killing . While that is acceptable and
in fact desirable in a military action , I for one do not want a bunch of
wounded guys hollerin' out in the front yard . Not only will that attract
more pests , it may very well disturb my sleep . I like .30 cal minimum for
defense ...
Now before y'all jump on me for "wanting to mow 'em down as they attack"
let me just say that that is ONE scenario , which if I get my stuff right
will never happen . I'd much rather slip away unseen and unheard than have
an armed confrontation . Actually , where I'm moving to pretty much
everybody is of a like mind , rendering the point moot . Country boy can
survive ...


Oh..I agree. I own a couple or 3 AR type weapons..but they are in
Arizona and Ive not laid hands on them in 5 yrs. I also own some
magazine fed 30 calibers..and they are in Arizona as well. California
Assault Weapons bans never ended. The only thing I have is a Mini-14
and an FN49..both of which are legal here in California. I had to
sell the M1A a couple years ago unfortunately. Shrug

Now I do have a number of long guns,...all of which are head and hands
far far more potent than the poodle shooters. (Not counting the 22s
of course). Hell..one of my favorite social weapons is a Marlin 1894
in 44 magnum. A good stout load and a 240gr JHP is not something the
average puke is going to suck up and survive, etc etc etc

Now I live in the high desert..so keeping the bad guys way way out
there and away from my AO is why I specialize in more potent
arms...300 Win Mag, 7mm Mag, '06 and a host of other calibers suitble
for 600-1000 yr ranges. Its interesting what one can do with a 300
Win Mag handloaded with AP bullets readily available for cheap on the
internet. Goes through body armor like a harpoon through water.

Hell..a nice 500gr bullet out of the 45-70 likely wont penetrate body
armor..but it will crush any bone inside that armor, like a bowling
ball from a tall building. Far more amusing than that dinky little
..223. Will nearly lift a man off his feet and when he comes down..he
wont be getting up anytime soon and one can simply walk up and stamp
on his throat a couple times and be done with him.

But that being said...there are some 135 million gun owners out there
being threatened by a very small number of mentally ill space cadets
and I simply have to get in a few verbal shots in the preliminary
festivities that are leading up to the Great Cull, Second American
Revolution..whatever one wishes to call it.

Afterall..as a life long Lovable Harmless Fuzzball, one doesnt expect
me to be firing actual bullets at those freaks and mental cases on the
Left.

What would be the point? A very large portion of those 135 million gun
owners will be hunting for those Leftwingers and simply killing them
by any method that pleases or amuses them. There simply wont be enough
Leftwingers to go around. So all Im going to be doing is sitting on
the front porch, feet up on the rail..playing happy riffs on the banjo
as the ever increasing body count is reported over the radio beside
me.

Afterall..I am an old man...creak..groan...shuffle...and Id have to
drive more than 100 miles just to find a Leftwinger. Shrug...Ive got
more than a few memories of taking heads in my youth...I can live just
fine with that. But to you young guys...Happy Hunting!!

Black Flag, no quarter!!

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:08:48 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 12:58:11 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Mar 3, 2:29*pm, Ed Huntress wrote:


Maybe never. No sex in shotguns. No man cards.


--
Ed Huntress

Maybe but the Marines where I used to work carried shotguns. Look on
the internet for street sweeper shotgun.

NFA "Destructive device." Class 3. Unlikely to be a problem.


When the laws go up in smoke...think Class 3 will mean anything?

VBG

The Feral Government is going to be discovering that they really
really underestimated the numbers of such devices, machine guns and so
forth..that are in the publics hands. By a significant amount.

And with the termination of each agent of that Feral Government..their
Class 3 weapons will fall into the hands of the People as well. Not
to mention the various entities that simply fill a deuce and a half
with goodies..and drive off into the sunset on their way home.

Thank Crom I live in a nice rural Red area.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie