Every few days in Silicon Valley, CA we are treated to a kind of stench
in the air probably caused by arsenide gas from our various wafer fabs.
It ranges in concentration from 'merely distracting' all the way to the
kind of in-your-face pall reminiscent of the worst days of the '70's.
(Think 'Chewable Air')

Just now I discovered that wearing my painting respirator with type 6003
Organic Vapor/Acid Gas Cartridges almost completely removes the smell.

Just a heads-up for folks also benefiting from our high-tech
environment.

--Winston

On 14 Aug 2012 14:17:34 GMT, Winston wrote:

Every few days in Silicon Valley, CA we are treated to a kind of stench
in the air probably caused by arsenide gas from our various wafer fabs.
It ranges in concentration from 'merely distracting' all the way to the
kind of in-your-face pall reminiscent of the worst days of the '70's.
(Think 'Chewable Air')

Just now I discovered that wearing my painting respirator with type 6003
Organic Vapor/Acid Gas Cartridges almost completely removes the smell.

Thus enabling you to breathe deeply the most toxic odorless
materials....


Just a heads-up for folks also benefiting from our high-tech
environment.

--Winston

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:43:47 -0400, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

Thus enabling you to breathe deeply the most toxic odorless
materials....

What more could one ask?

--Winston

"Winston" wrote in message
...
Every few days in Silicon Valley, CA we are treated to a kind of stench
in the air probably caused by arsenide gas from our various wafer fabs.
It ranges in concentration from 'merely distracting' all the way to the
kind of in-your-face pall reminiscent of the worst days of the '70's.
(Think 'Chewable Air')

Just now I discovered that wearing my painting respirator with type 6003
Organic Vapor/Acid Gas Cartridges almost completely removes the smell.

Just a heads-up for folks also benefiting from our high-tech
environment.

--Winston

Gee, where are you exactly? I have lived in Palo Alto for 25 years and
worked in Santa Clara, Sunnyvale and Milpitas for most of that time and I
have not experienced the same thing. There are a few hazy, low air-quality
days, but not that many and not that bad. You must be downwind from some
particular offender.

I also really doubt (I hope) that what you are smelling is arsine gas (aka
hydrogen arsenide). The limit detectable by oder is 0.5 ppm, but 3 to 10
ppm induces toxic symptoms and 10 is fatal after long exposures. The
occupational average inhalation limit is 0.005 ppm.
http://tinyurl.com/8hr2mm7

How can you have pollution? I thought CA was a socialist paradise?

Can you get furnace filter size cartridges, so you can have clean air
indoors, at least?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Winston" wrote in message
...
Every few days in Silicon Valley, CA we are treated to a kind of stench
in the air probably caused by arsenide gas from our various wafer fabs.
It ranges in concentration from 'merely distracting' all the way to the
kind of in-your-face pall reminiscent of the worst days of the '70's.
(Think 'Chewable Air')

Just now I discovered that wearing my painting respirator with type 6003
Organic Vapor/Acid Gas Cartridges almost completely removes the smell.

Just a heads-up for folks also benefiting from our high-tech
environment.

--Winston

On 14 Aug 2012 14:17:34 GMT, Winston wrote:

Every few days in Silicon Valley, CA we are treated to a kind of stench
in the air probably caused by arsenide gas from our various wafer fabs.
It ranges in concentration from 'merely distracting' all the way to the
kind of in-your-face pall reminiscent of the worst days of the '70's.
(Think 'Chewable Air')

Just now I discovered that wearing my painting respirator with type 6003
Organic Vapor/Acid Gas Cartridges almost completely removes the smell.

Just a heads-up for folks also benefiting from our high-tech
environment.

--Winston

And the LA area has the cleanest air since the 1800s

Funny how that happens

Gunner

One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not
agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my
earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure
- and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his
fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.

- Jeff Cooper

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:04:20 -0700, anorton wrote:

"Winston" wrote in message
...
Every few days in Silicon Valley, CA we are treated to a kind of stench
in the air probably caused by arsenide gas from our various wafer fabs.
It ranges in concentration from 'merely distracting' all the way to the
kind of in-your-face pall reminiscent of the worst days of the '70's.
(Think 'Chewable Air')

Just now I discovered that wearing my painting respirator with type
6003 Organic Vapor/Acid Gas Cartridges almost completely removes the
smell.

Just a heads-up for folks also benefiting from our high-tech
environment.

--Winston

Gee, where are you exactly?

As we say: "Sanazay".

I have lived in Palo Alto for 25 years and
worked in Santa Clara, Sunnyvale and Milpitas for most of that time and
I have not experienced the same thing. There are a few hazy, low
air-quality days, but not that many and not that bad. You must be
downwind from some particular offender.

Yes. I understand that some are less prone to smell this than others.
For me, the aroma can be of 'eye watering' intensity.
A few days ago it was really bad.

I also really doubt (I hope) that what you are smelling is arsine gas
(aka hydrogen arsenide). The limit detectable by oder is 0.5 ppm, but 3
to 10 ppm induces toxic symptoms and 10 is fatal after long exposures.
The occupational average inhalation limit is 0.005 ppm.
http://tinyurl.com/8hr2mm7

Oniony-Garlic smell. *Really* pungent.
Can appear at any time of the day.
It was pretty strong here 8/11. I drove up to Cupertino and it was
nearly as strong there as well.

Weird.

I envy you in 'Paly'. The air there is normally much nicer - smelling
than down here in the South Valley. I worked at Xerox near PARC for
several years and was delighted to go to work each day, partly because
the air is very nice smelling there.

--Winston

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:10:06 -0700, Gunner wrote:

On 14 Aug 2012 14:17:34 GMT, Winston wrote:

(...)

Just a heads-up for folks also benefiting from our high-tech
environment.

--Winston

And the LA area has the cleanest air since the 1800s

I cannot imagine how bad the LA pollution must have been in the 1800s!
Holy Moley!

--Winston

"Winston" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:04:20 -0700, anorton wrote:

"Winston" wrote in message
...
Every few days in Silicon Valley, CA we are treated to a kind of stench
in the air probably caused by arsenide gas from our various wafer fabs.
It ranges in concentration from 'merely distracting' all the way to the
kind of in-your-face pall reminiscent of the worst days of the '70's.
(Think 'Chewable Air')

Just now I discovered that wearing my painting respirator with type
6003 Organic Vapor/Acid Gas Cartridges almost completely removes the
smell.

Just a heads-up for folks also benefiting from our high-tech
environment.

--Winston

Gee, where are you exactly?

As we say: "Sanazay".

I have lived in Palo Alto for 25 years and
worked in Santa Clara, Sunnyvale and Milpitas for most of that time and
I have not experienced the same thing. There are a few hazy, low
air-quality days, but not that many and not that bad. You must be
downwind from some particular offender.

Yes. I understand that some are less prone to smell this than others.
For me, the aroma can be of 'eye watering' intensity.
A few days ago it was really bad.

I also really doubt (I hope) that what you are smelling is arsine gas
(aka hydrogen arsenide). The limit detectable by oder is 0.5 ppm, but 3
to 10 ppm induces toxic symptoms and 10 is fatal after long exposures.
The occupational average inhalation limit is 0.005 ppm.
http://tinyurl.com/8hr2mm7

Oniony-Garlic smell. *Really* pungent.
Can appear at any time of the day.
It was pretty strong here 8/11. I drove up to Cupertino and it was
nearly as strong there as well.

Weird.

I envy you in 'Paly'. The air there is normally much nicer - smelling
than down here in the South Valley. I worked at Xerox near PARC for
several years and was delighted to go to work each day, partly because
the air is very nice smelling there.

--Winston

Maybe you are getting a wiff of garlic from Gilroy. It is a little late for
the garlic harvest but perhaps the processing is still going on.

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:37:38 -0700, anorton wrote:

"Winston" wrote in message
...

(...)

I envy you in 'Paly'. The air there is normally much nicer - smelling
than down here in the South Valley. I worked at Xerox near PARC for
several years and was delighted to go to work each day, partly because
the air is very nice smelling there.

--Winston

Maybe you are getting a wiff of garlic from Gilroy. It is a little late
for the garlic harvest but perhaps the processing is still going on.

I don't know anything about garlic but I assume it is not
harvested and dried all year round. This stench pops up
at any time of the year. We've had a nice reprieve this Sunday
8/12 and Monday, but this morning (Tue 8/14) The Stench was back
with a vengeance. As I write this (4:00 PM) the air is 'normal'
once again with just the standard smells of hot roofing material
and soil, some car exhaust. Not 'nice' but not awful either.

I honestly wish I knew what this pervasive aroma is.

--Winston

On 14 Aug 2012 14:17:34 GMT, Winston wrote:

Every few days in Silicon Valley, CA we are treated to a kind of stench
in the air probably caused by arsenide gas from our various wafer fabs.

But it's safe. The gov't tells me so.


It ranges in concentration from 'merely distracting' all the way to the
kind of in-your-face pall reminiscent of the worst days of the '70's.
(Think 'Chewable Air')

Just now I discovered that wearing my painting respirator with type 6003
Organic Vapor/Acid Gas Cartridges almost completely removes the smell.

Just a heads-up for folks also benefiting from our high-tech
environment.

I remember the look and taste of HelL.A. air in the '60s and '70s,
Winnie.

Yucky.

--
The business of America is not business. Neither is it war. The business
of America is justice and securing the blessings of liberty.
-- George F. Will

On 14 Aug 2012 21:17:41 GMT, Winston wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:10:06 -0700, Gunner wrote:

On 14 Aug 2012 14:17:34 GMT, Winston wrote:

(...)

Just a heads-up for folks also benefiting from our high-tech
environment.

--Winston

And the LA area has the cleanest air since the 1800s

I cannot imagine how bad the LA pollution must have been in the 1800s!
Holy Moley!

--Winston

The 70s were the worst I can remember. When I moved to California the
first time..I was coming out of a job in Wyoming..and when we hit
Riverside on the 10...I noticed the air was turning brown..and
browner..and browner....and was wondering what was burning and where.

Then it got chewie. When we reached Anaheim headquarters..it was like
being down wind of a smelting plant.

Now there is only the faintest hint of color in the otherwise blue
skies

Gunner

One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not
agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my
earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure
- and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his
fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.

- Jeff Cooper

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:40:20 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

On 14 Aug 2012 14:17:34 GMT, Winston wrote:

(...)

Just a heads-up for folks also benefiting from our high-tech
environment.

I remember the look and taste of HelL.A. air in the '60s and '70s,
Winnie.

Yucky.

I agree 100%.

As a yout, I drove to LA once (gas was maybe $0.40 a gallon?)
The smog in the Bay Area at the time was pretty bad, but the
stuff in the LA basin was 'way browner.

(Yes, I get the irony about driving around aimlessly and then
complaining about the smog.)

Thank you, C.A.R.B. I like breathing easy now.

--Winston

On 15 Aug 2012 04:11:21 GMT, Winston wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:40:20 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

On 14 Aug 2012 14:17:34 GMT, Winston wrote:

(...)

Just a heads-up for folks also benefiting from our high-tech
environment.

I remember the look and taste of HelL.A. air in the '60s and '70s,
Winnie.

Yucky.

I agree 100%.

As a yout, I drove to LA once (gas was maybe $0.40 a gallon?)
The smog in the Bay Area at the time was pretty bad, but the
stuff in the LA basin was 'way browner.

We used to get bad days when the L.A. smog fanned itself down to Vista
and turned it into an INDOOR ONLY day. I couldn't breathe the outside
air on those days. Later, Sandy Eggo smog wafted up to the North
County on occasion and it bothered me then, too. The air is much
better up here, but only when the idiots don't burn their woodstoves
on windless days. Medford (Jackson County) is really bad that way,
but they now have smog alert days where woodstove use is banned.
I was certainly happier downwind from San Onofre Nuclear Generation
Station (SONGS) rather than a damned coal-fired power station.


(Yes, I get the irony about driving around aimlessly and then
complaining about the smog.)

sigh


Thank you, C.A.R.B. I like breathing easy now.

I disagree with that sentiment. I had my smog license and watched
some pretty nice vehicles go into meltdown after installing some of
CARB's required devices and settings. Millions of dollars of vehicle
engines were toasted from that idiocy. CA air would have greened
fairly quickly anyway, sticking to federal guidelines, so I think it
was a ghastly waste, a crime against the populace.

--
Make awkward sexual advances, not war.

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:40:51 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

(...)

Thank you, C.A.R.B. I like breathing easy now.

I disagree with that sentiment. I had my smog license and watched some
pretty nice vehicles go into meltdown after installing some of CARB's
required devices and settings. Millions of dollars of vehicle engines
were toasted from that idiocy. CA air would have greened fairly quickly
anyway, sticking to federal guidelines, so I think it was a ghastly
waste, a crime against the populace.

The NRDC says:
"In recent years, scientists have shown that air pollution from cars,
factories and power plants is a major cause of asthma attacks."

Now, I've never suffered an asthma attack but the symptoms sound
horrifying. I'm very happy to consider the improvements in air
pollution over the last 15 years has reduced the number of people
that suffer in that awful way.

It's possible that CARB requirements and the rather sudden drastic
improvement in air quality are coincidences without causal linkage,
I suppose.

That ain't the way I would bet, however.

--Winston

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:40:51 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On 15 Aug 2012 04:11:21 GMT, Winston wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:40:20 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

On 14 Aug 2012 14:17:34 GMT, Winston wrote:

(...)

Just a heads-up for folks also benefiting from our high-tech
environment.

I remember the look and taste of HelL.A. air in the '60s and '70s,
Winnie.

Yucky.

I agree 100%.

As a yout, I drove to LA once (gas was maybe $0.40 a gallon?)
The smog in the Bay Area at the time was pretty bad, but the
stuff in the LA basin was 'way browner.

We used to get bad days when the L.A. smog fanned itself down to Vista
and turned it into an INDOOR ONLY day. I couldn't breathe the outside
air on those days. Later, Sandy Eggo smog wafted up to the North
County on occasion and it bothered me then, too. The air is much
better up here, but only when the idiots don't burn their woodstoves
on windless days. Medford (Jackson County) is really bad that way,
but they now have smog alert days where woodstove use is banned.
I was certainly happier downwind from San Onofre Nuclear Generation
Station (SONGS) rather than a damned coal-fired power station.


(Yes, I get the irony about driving around aimlessly and then
complaining about the smog.)

sigh


Thank you, C.A.R.B. I like breathing easy now.

I disagree with that sentiment. I had my smog license and watched
some pretty nice vehicles go into meltdown after installing some of
CARB's required devices and settings. Millions of dollars of vehicle
engines were toasted from that idiocy. CA air would have greened
fairly quickly anyway, sticking to federal guidelines, so I think it
was a ghastly waste, a crime against the populace.

When the Great Cull arrives...there will be no survivors among the
CARB people. Bet on it.

http://killcarb.org/


Gunner

One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not
agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my
earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure
- and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his
fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.

- Jeff Cooper

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:40:51 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:


Thank you, C.A.R.B. I like breathing easy now.

I disagree with that sentiment. I had my smog license and watched
some pretty nice vehicles go into meltdown after installing some of
CARB's required devices and settings. Millions of dollars of vehicle
engines were toasted from that idiocy. CA air would have greened
fairly quickly anyway, sticking to federal guidelines, so I think it
was a ghastly waste, a crime against the populace.

This site is dedicated to a grassroots effort with the sole purpose of
convincing California law makers to disband The California Air
Resources Board. Why are we doing this? Because the California Air
Resources Board (CARB) is a rogue agency that is causing harm to the
environment and to the working people of this state.

8500 California Teachers Fired to Fund Rogue State Agency--Truckers
Next!

We need to get started now. The first step is making contact with your
Representatives and asking them to support this effort. If they agree,
they will be praised here. If they do not they will be exposed. We
are asking that you write a letter, send an e-mail or fax to your
representative in the State Assembly and State Senate, then send us
both your letter and the reply that you get. Those will be posted
here. You will remain anonymous if you state that is what you want. To
get started, click on the link to the lists of Members of the State
Assembly and Members of the State Senate. Next, find your
representatives and make contact. It is important that you act now!


Your tax dollars fund CARB. In fiscal year 2007-08 they got $722
million for 1172 employees. In fiscal year 2008-09 they got $650
million for 1272 employees, and in fiscal year 2009-10, your state
legislators and the governor fired over 8500 teachers in the state in
order to give $857 million to this outrageously corrupt state agency
and its 1280 employees. Why? Easy. Follow the money. The CARB
payroll is loaded with political friends of the legislators.
Hundreds of these worthless so-called public servants collect hundred
thousand dollar salaries and pension benefits that working families
can never expect. CARB is also in bed with organizations that steer
many millions to the campaign coffers of the legislators. Why
otherwise would the legislature keep CARB alive and growing --- and
rob the youth of California of the education they deserve? When the
state is bankrupt, teachers are losing their jobs, millions are out
of work, and the legislature gives CARB billions of dollars to waste
on its fraudulent campaigns and regulate the working people as if
they are criminals spoiling the environment. Of course, CARB must
manufacture a new "health crisis" every year to justify its
existence.

CARB is demanding that perfectly good diesel engines in the state be
replaced with less efficient engines that will actually add to the
amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. They are doing this based
on a flawed report by a fraudulent CARB employee. They claim a $70
billion savings in health care by destroying these engines. Their own
summary document shows that there is no proven link between diesel
particulate mater and cancer. This action is based on "indications"
and "suggestions"! As if that is not enough, the 20 billion dollar
price tag will place a financial burden on an estimated 30 thousand
business owners and will put many of them out of business--it is
estimated that 150,000 jobs could be lost if these companies pull up
stakes and move from California. Comments from noted scientists and
the public sent to CARB regarding Hien Tran's report are contained in
a supplement to the report and were for the most part ignored by the
board.

Here are some other CARB highlights:

Reformulated Diesel Fuel: Do you remember when CARB mandated that
Diesel Fuel be reformulated without adequate testing in the 1990's?
The new fuel damaged thousands of diesel engines in the state and
over ten million dollars of state funds were used to replace many of
the damaged engines. You the taxpayers and working people paid for
this. Bet your legislators never told you about this. But they
fired 20,000 teachers in the state recently because they wasted your
tax dollars on fraud agencies like CARB where they have placed their
friends and political cronies on the payroll until the next election.
MTBE: Over $30 million paid out by working families over ten years
for extra 20 to 30 cents a gallon. Estimated $20 billion dollars more
to clean up ground water around the state that is contaminated with
MTBE. CARB has an army of professional liar "public information
officers" who spread the CARB propaganda to keep the CARB agency
budget growing every year. They spent ten years lying to both the
legislature and the public about the "benefits" of MTBE in your
gasoline. Finally, the legislature had to ban MTBE in your gas when
scientists proved that it was a poison to our environment and you.
The average working family was forced to pay out over eight thousand
dollars over ten years for the MTBE poison in their gasoline in
California. (They would have over $12,000 in the bank today for their
childrens' education if that money had been saved and invested).
Electric Car mandate: CARB set the American automotive industry
back by ten years in developing hybrid cars because CARB would not
allow them as zero emission or low emission cars while CARB insisted
on demanding that 5% of cars in California had to be electric cars.
Only after they were forced to admit that the electric cars were a
fraud, did they allow hybrid cars. By that time the Japanese
manufacturers were way ahead of America. That has cost the American
workers in the auto industry over 200.000 jobs and crushed the
industry.
Hien Tran Fraud: Hien Tran lied about having a PHD from U.C.
Davis but really purchased his degree at a diploma mill. Tran was the
project coordinator and lead author of a report entitled “Methodology
for Estimating Premature Deaths Associated with Long-term Exposure to
Fine Airborne Particulate Matter in California.” This report was the
main support document of a draconian regulation proposed by the CARB
that would cost California diesel users billions of dollars, a cost
that eventually the consumer would pay for in higher food,
construction and transportation costs. These costs would be incurred
in the retrofitting of almost all diesel engines for on- or off-road,
even relatively new ones, with new pollution controls for the sole
purpose of limiting particulate matter as small as 2.5 microns
(PM2.5). Although there have been some epidemiological studies in the
past that claim there is a health risk, those studies were highly
speculative and done with poor data. In fact, there is a significant
study that says that PM2.5 is not a health risk in California.

Tran's problems started with the completion of the first draft
report when Dr. S. Stanley Young, the assistant director of
Bioinformatics at the National Institute of Statistical Sciences, came
to his attention. Dr. Young fired off a letter to Gov. Schwarzenegger,
writing in part, “I note that none of the authors are professional
statisticians. Some are trained in epidemiology. It is useful to know
that the track record of epidemiologists in the use of statistics to
make claims that are reproducible is very poor. Their claims fail to
replicate 80-90 percent of the time (Ioannidis, JAMA, 2005). Their
recommendations, most likely wrong, are projected to be very costly.

As punishment for his lie, Tran was suspended for 60 days and took
a pay cut. He still works at CARB.
CARB's "Forbidden Speech" regulation: Sounding like something from
George Orwell, CARB was poised to adopt a regulation that literally
“forbids” and “penalizes” opposing views. The resolution, which CARB
dubs, “prohibition on false statements,” is frightening in that it
would actually sanction communications to the agency during hearings
or in the presentation of studies that CARB disagrees with.
Apparently, CARB’s legal staff missed that whole bit on the First
Amendment. The first hearing on CARB’s proposed regulation was
scheduled for December 1st, 2010. According to CARB’s website, the
hearing has now been postponed until next year. Moreover, the
proposed regulation providing for “penalties” for false information
has been removed from CARB’s website.
CARB's 340% Overestimation: The California Air Resources Board
went above and beyond in screwing up their diesel regulations based
upon “grossly miscalculated pollution levels” of 340% over reality.
Yes, you read right, 340%. Was this stupidity? Gross negligence? Gross
incompetence? Outright fraud? All of the aforementioned? Read and
decide for yourself.
The air board’s shame / Staff never revealed internal scandal before
crucial vote

Air board still scandalous

On Dec. 12, 2008, the California Air Resources Board unanimously
approved groundbreaking new rules governing diesel emissions. Members
rejected complaints from the trucking industry about their heavy cost
and from some academics who said CARB grossly exaggerated the health
risk posed by the emissions.

Soon afterward, a Union-Tribune editorial writer confirmed allegations
that Hien T. Tran – the lead scientist and coordinator of the study
used to justify the stringent new diesel regulations – had lied about
holding a Ph.D. in statistics from the University of California Davis.
Instead, it turned out, Tran had a mail-order Ph.D. sent to him from a
“university” based at a mailbox at a UPS office in New York City – and
that senior air board officials knew this before the Dec. 12 vote.

Incredibly enough, air board Chairwoman Mary Nichols has pretended
this is a minor problem. Instead of suspending the diesel rules until
the research they were based on was thoroughly investigated by an
independent outside group, board officials never revealed Tran’s
deceit to the public. This editorial page and The Bakersfield
Californian have provided the only print media coverage since the
scandal broke.

Tran wasn’t even fired, just demoted.

This is not how a reputable government agency should behave. This is
shameful. And at long last, someone with authority within the air
board has finally figured this out.

On Nov. 16, Dr. John G. Telles, a Fresno cardiologist appointed to the
air board by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in April 2008, wrote a letter
to Ellen Peters, the air board’s chief counsel, in which he said the
air board’s staff failed to meet its “ethical if not legal obligation”
to provide all board members with pertinent information before a vote
on a state regulation.

Telles had never heard about Tran’s deception until a Sept. 24 air
board meeting in Diamond Bar, when it was raised during public
testimony about the harsh toll the diesel rules threatened to have on
businesses whose trucks and off-road vehicles have to be scrapped or
retrofitted at great cost. Only after that meeting did CARB officials
finally tell all board members the truth about Tran.

Telles says this withholding of key information must be addressed.
“Not taking action seems unacceptable in light of what appears to be a
violation of procedure with both ethical and perhaps legal
implications. How we handle this procedure will reflect on the future
credibility of CARB. I believe that CARB needs to seize the initiative
and take steps to protect and preserve the integrity of CARB, its
board members and the decision-making process.”

We could not agree more. Mary Nichols’ handling of this matter has
been indefensible and outrageous.

Will other air board members figure this out, too? Will the governor,
whose office was informed about Tran’s deception last December? For
that matter, will the California media?

We shall see.
One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not
agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my
earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure
- and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his
fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.

- Jeff Cooper

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:40:51 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:


Thank you, C.A.R.B. I like breathing easy now.

I disagree with that sentiment. I had my smog license and watched
some pretty nice vehicles go into meltdown after installing some of
CARB's required devices and settings. Millions of dollars of vehicle
engines were toasted from that idiocy. CA air would have greened
fairly quickly anyway, sticking to federal guidelines, so I think it
was a ghastly waste, a crime against the populace.


http://killcarb.org/2010102601-kovr.html

Sacramento CH13 KOVR Reporter Exposes More CARB Junk Science

Sacramento based KOVR’s "On the Money" reporter Mike Luery's report
about CARB’s continued scientific incompetence.

The two part report aired at 6 pm and 10 pm October 26, 2010.


One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not
agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my
earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure
- and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his
fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.

- Jeff Cooper

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:40:51 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:


Thank you, C.A.R.B. I like breathing easy now.

I disagree with that sentiment. I had my smog license and watched
some pretty nice vehicles go into meltdown after installing some of
CARB's required devices and settings. Millions of dollars of vehicle
engines were toasted from that idiocy. CA air would have greened
fairly quickly anyway, sticking to federal guidelines, so I think it
was a ghastly waste, a crime against the populace.

California Air Resources Board caught using intentionally flawed data
Posted on October 8, 2010 by Erick Brockway

- Dr. James Enstrom (HT: Martinezgazette.com)

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) has been caught making
environmental policy based on badly flawed and intentionally dishonest
estimates of PM2.5 pollution admissions. How bad is bad? Try a 340%
overestimation of diesel particulate pollution levels? No way? Way!!

The pollution estimate in question was too high – by 340
percent, according to the California Air Resources Board, the state
agency charged with researching and adopting air quality standards.
The estimate was a key part in the creation of a regulation adopted by
the Air Resources Board in 2007, a rule that forces businesses to cut
diesel emissions by replacing or making costly upgrades to heavy-duty,
diesel-fueled off-road vehicles used in construction and other
industries.

The CARB staff blames this “oversight” on the recession and the
resulting termination of many construction projects. Independent
reviewers argue that applying the current methodology to existing data
still gives terribly inaccurate results. The data then was used to
produce the predictable Malthusian Scare Statistics. 18,000 premature
deaths per year were attributed to diesel emissions according to the
340% inaccurate research. This has since been revised downward, after
the monies were expropriated from construction firms operating
diesels, to 9,200.

Given the intelligent and diligent people that work at CARB, this
should surprise everyone. Well, ok, whom am I kidding? Maybe it
shouldn’t. According to Dr. James Enstrom of UCLA and others who
offered a 100 page critique of the “science” used by CARB, the
regulatory commission was not exactly fielding the varsity when it
undertook the analysis to support the regulations.

The year-long process of development of the new regulations
resulted in some very revealing public commentary, accusations of
complicity in the scientific review process, and even misconduct by
CARB officials.

In the biggest scandal, opposition scientists found the lead
author of the key study by CARB had faked his Ph.D. and lacked
expertise in air pollution research. In addition, CARB hired reviewers
to review their own papers, naturally resulting in approval of the
scientific studies that claimed the death and health effects.

(HT: The Heartland Institute)

In order to properly fertilize the science, the authors of the
“scientific research” had to use PM2.5 data that did not come from a
California Airshed. The Heartland Institute points out that five
separate independent researchers claim no significant link exists
between PM2.5 and premature deaths in CA. One reason no link exists
stems from the fact that California has the 4th lowest death rate in
the nation and extremely low rates of diesel pollution compared to
prior years.

This suggests that reasonable observers may well have valid
gravamen to contest the merits of the scientific brilliance of a study
that links the deaths of people who are still walking around town to
substances that are very, nearly almost absent from the air that said
cadavers are currently continuing to breathe. However, based on the
deliberately falsified science by the CARB, the following regulatory
findings were handed down.

All Drayage diesel trucks older than 1994 must be retired from
service. Those built between 1994 and 2003 must undergo a costly
retrofit — a soot trap ranging in price from $12,000 to $25,000,
depending on the age of the vehicle. Leo Kay, the Communication
Director for the ARB, said that there are approximately 20,000
affected trucks in California. ARB offered $11 million in grants for
the affected truckers. Each trucker could potentially receive $5,000
toward the retrofit of their diesel….

(Martinez Gazette – Ob. Cit.)
One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not
agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my
earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure
- and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his
fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.

- Jeff Cooper

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:40:51 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:


Thank you, C.A.R.B. I like breathing easy now.

I disagree with that sentiment. I had my smog license and watched
some pretty nice vehicles go into meltdown after installing some of
CARB's required devices and settings. Millions of dollars of vehicle
engines were toasted from that idiocy. CA air would have greened
fairly quickly anyway, sticking to federal guidelines, so I think it
was a ghastly waste, a crime against the populace.


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/1...onbeam-assist/

California Air Resources Board cap and trade program circumvents state
open meeting laws with a Moonbeam assist
Posted on July 14, 2012 by Anthony Watts

Strong headline, I know, but I didn’t believe this was true until I
researched it myself. First some background; I once served as an
elected official on my local school board. During orientation and
virtually every annual CSBA meeting after that, along with numerous
public meetings and letters to the editor where people constantly
reminded us of the Brown Act, it loomed large as the most important
law that we had to follow.

We were constantly reminded that if we did not follow the letter of
the law and provide full and open access to all meetings (the
exception being employee management) we would be guilty of breaking
the open meeting law and subject to severe penalties. If our local
school board in our small town ever tried to hold a closed-door
meeting without the knowledge of the public, not only we would we be
excoriated in the press and public discourse, but we would also have
people filing for our election recall.

So, it was with shock and surprise that I learned today that the
California Air Resources Board declared the method by which they could
circumvent the public meeting laws. Even more shocking they put it in
writing and, got the California State legislature to pass it as a law
as a rider on a totally unrelated bill of legislation, and Governor
Brown signed it into law on June 27th, 2012.

My friend Eric Eisenhammer first alerted me to the issue on his
California Political Review blog. He writes:

On the afternoon the state budget was signed into law last
Wednesday I received an email from a local activist informing me that
hidden in a trailer bill titled SB 1018 was a provision exempting the
upcoming cap and trade auction from open meeting rules.

CARB formed a company called Western Climate Initiative Inc.
(WCI), to manage its upcoming cap and trade auction. This shadowy
corporation, registered in Delaware, will be responsible for imposing
billions in hidden energy taxes on California ratepayers and small
businesses without public scrutiny or accountability.

SB 1018 was a “gut and amend” bill, with over 100 pages inserted
the day before the bill was signed into law along with the state
budget. This legislation did not go through one committee hearing and
most legislators probably never had a chance to read it. But buried
in this bill in Section 12894(b)(2) is a line exempting WCI from a
critical provision of the California Constitution, known as the
Bagley-Keene Act, which provides meetings be open to public scrutiny.

Small business owners and citizen energy consumers care about
protecting the environment, but CARB continually behaves as if it has
something to hide.

When I first read that I really could not believe it. I could not
believe that a state agency who is beholden to the same sorts of open
meetings law that I was as a school board member would go to the
lengths of trying to circumvent it, much less get it passed into law
as an exception. So, I decided to check it out for myself.

First I located the document related to SB 1018. Eric was kind enough
to direct me to the actual document and to the section that was
relevant. Here is the URL of just one section of the monster sized
SB1018 bill, section 39. The PDF:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/..._chaptered.pdf

The relevant part is in 12894(b)(2) of SB 1018. You can find that
section from the bottom of page 23 to near the top of page 24. The
relevant section says:

Chapter 5. Greenhouse Gas Market-Based Compliance
Mechanisms and Linkages to the State

12894. (a) (1) The Legislature finds and declares that the
establishment of nongovernmental entities, such as the Western Climate
Initiative, Incorporated, and linkages with other states and countries
by the State Air Resources Board or other state agencies for the
purposes of implementing Division 25.5 (commencing with Section 38500)
of the Health and Safety
Code, should be done transparently and should be independently
reviewed by the Attorney General for consistency with all applicable
laws.

(2) The purpose of this section is to establish new oversight and
transparency over any such linkages and related activities
undertaken in relation to Division 25.5 (commencing with Section
38500) of the Health and Safety Code by the executive agencies in
order to ensure consistency with applicable laws.

(b) (1) The California membership of the board of directors of the
Western Climate Initiative, Incorporated, shall be modified as
follows:

(A) One appointee or his or her designee who shall serve as an ex
officio nonvoting member shall be appointed by the Senate Committee on
Rules.
(B) One appointee or his or her designee who shall serve as an ex
officio nonvoting member shall be appointed by the Speaker of the
Assembly.

(C) The Chairperson of the State Air Resources Board or her or his
designee.
(D) The Secretary for Environmental Protection or his or her
designee.
(2) Sections 11120 through 11132 do not apply to the Western
Climate Initiative, Incorporated, or to appointees specified in
subparagraphs (C) and (D) of paragraph (1) when performing their
duties under this section.
(c) The State Air Resources Board shall provide notice to the
Joint Legislative Budget Committee, consistent with that required for
Department of Finance augmentation or reduction authorizations
pursuant to subdivision (e) of Section 28.00 of the annual Budget Act,
of any funds over one hundred
fifty thousand dollars ($150,000) provided to the Western Climate
Initiative, Incorporated, or its derivatives or subcontractors no
later than 30 days prior to transfer or expenditure of these funds.

Did you catch it? Most people wouldn’t as it is a very short sentence
written in gov-speak with redirected references to other laws. I only
caught it because I was familiar with the sections pertaining to the
state open meeting laws.

Here’s the relevant section:

(2) Sections 11120 through 11132 do not apply to the Western
Climate Initiative, Incorporated, or to appointees specified in
subparagraphs (C) and (D) of paragraph (1) when performing their
duties under this section.

Still don’t see it? It is about sections 11120 through 11132 of The
California Code.

What are Sections 11120 through 11132? Wikipedia has a good summary:

The Bagley-Keene Act of 1967, officially known as the Bagley-Keene
Open Meeting Act, implements a provision of the California
Constitution which declares that “the meetings of public bodies and
the writings of public officials and agencies shall be open to public
scrutiny”, and explicitly mandates open meetings for California State
agencies, boards, and commissions. The act facilitates accountability
and transparency of government activities and protects the rights of
citizens to participate in State government deliberations. Similarly,
California’s Brown Act of 1953 protects citizen rights with regard to
open meetings at the county and local government level.

The act also reaffirms, “The people of this state do not yield their
sovereignty to the agencies which serve them. The people, in
delegating authority, do not give their public servants the right to
decide what is good for the people to know and what is not good for
them to know. The people insist on remaining informed so that they may
retain control over the instruments they have created.”

Here’s the relevant section of the code, section 11121, which says
private corporations setup to do state business are not exempt:
As used in this article, “state body” means each of the following: (a)
Every state board, or commission, or similar multimember body of the
state that is created by statute or required by law to conduct
official meetings and every commission created by executive order. (b)
A board, commission, committee, or similar multimember body that
exercises any authority of a state body delegated to it by that state
body. (c) An advisory board, advisory commission, advisory committee,
advisory subcommittee, or similar multimember advisory body of a state
body, if created by formal action of the state body or of any member
of the state body, and if the advisory body so created consists of
three or more persons. (d) A board, commission, committee, or similar
multimember body on which a member of a body that is a state body
pursuant to this section serves in his or her official capacity as a
representative of that state body and that is supported, in whole or
in part, by funds provided by the state body, whether the multimember
body is organized and operated by the state body or by a private
corporation.

Section 11122.5 reads:
(a) As used in this article, “meeting” includes any congregation of a
majority of the members of a state body at the same time and place to
hear, discuss, or deliberate upon any item that is within the subject
matter jurisdiction of the state body to which it pertains. (b) (1) A
majority of the members of a state body shall not, outside of a
meeting authorized by this chapter, use a series of communications of
any kind, directly or through intermediaries, to discuss, deliberate,
or take action on any item of business that is within the subject
matter of the state body. (2) Paragraph (1) shall not be construed to
prevent an employee or official of a state agency from engaging in
separate conversations or communications outside of a meeting
authorized by this chapter with members of a legislative body in order
to answer questions or provide information regarding a matter that is
within the subject matter jurisdiction of the state agency, if that
person does not communicate to members of the legislative body the
comments or position of any other member or members of the legislative
body.

There are some exceptions listed in 11122.5, such as for conversations
in open air public meetings and gatherings, but nothing like the
blanket exception written in for WCI in SB1018.

Consider this a minute. CARB sets up a private corporation, Western
Climate Initiative Inc. to manage the cap and trade program, doesn’t
even bother to put the corporation in California, and opts for
Delaware and the advantages that brings over California incorporation.
Delaware is well known as a corporate haven, and that alone suggests
they want it out of the prying eyes of California taxpayers.

But that wasn’t good enough, they take the extraordinary step of
writing in an exemption to prevent public scrutiny, and then hide it
as a rider in the 100+ pages inserted the day before the bill was
signed into law along with the state budget, effectively preventing
any scrutiny.

What is CARB intent on hiding in WCI? Now, with a secret meetings get
out of jail free card signed by Govenor Moonbeam, We may never know.
Just like with the publicly funded Michael Mann fighting tooth and
nail to prevent his emails from seeing sunshine, so it seems CARB has
taken a cue from the behavior of climate science in general, and in a
wave of the hand brushed aside the directive Bagley-Keene Open Meeting
Act, deciding they know what is best for the people:

The people, in delegating authority, do not give their public
servants the right to decide what is good for the people to know and
what is not good for them to know.

Mary Nichols – leader of a a criminal agency?

In my opinion, this flagrant and orchestrated criminal disregard of
the California open meetings law is the epitome of unmitigated gall on
the part of CARB, and specifically CARB director Mary Nichols who has
made it clear she doesn’t give a rats ass about what the people of
California have to say about her empire and how it operates.

At this point, when they decide they can hold themselves above the law
that every other town board, council, and agency has to follow, I’m
ready to declare CARB as an enemy of the people of California.

If you are a resident of California, complain loudly to your elected
representatives and write your newspapers. The only way to fight this
is with more sunshine.



One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not
agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my
earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure
- and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his
fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.

- Jeff Cooper

"Winston" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:37:38 -0700, anorton wrote:

"Winston" wrote in message
...

(...)

I envy you in 'Paly'. The air there is normally much nicer - smelling
than down here in the South Valley. I worked at Xerox near PARC for
several years and was delighted to go to work each day, partly because
the air is very nice smelling there.

--Winston

Maybe you are getting a wiff of garlic from Gilroy. It is a little late
for the garlic harvest but perhaps the processing is still going on.

I don't know anything about garlic but I assume it is not
harvested and dried all year round. This stench pops up
at any time of the year. We've had a nice reprieve this Sunday
8/12 and Monday, but this morning (Tue 8/14) The Stench was back
with a vengeance. As I write this (4:00 PM) the air is 'normal'
once again with just the standard smells of hot roofing material
and soil, some car exhaust. Not 'nice' but not awful either.

I honestly wish I knew what this pervasive aroma is.

--Winston

http://santacruz.winecountry.com/cities/Gilroy/
"the Gilroy Foods plant east of Highway 101 generates a garlicky odor that
can spread all the way to the southern suburbs of San Jose, about 20 miles
north."

Apparently the plant is open 7 months out of the year dicing, drying,
packaging garlic and onion.
www.renoirgroup.com/documents/CaseStudy/11.pdf

There is even this site:
http://www.howdoesgilroysmelltoday.com/
Too bad they do not have a chart of past ratings.

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:07:29 -0700, anorton wrote:

(...)

http://santacruz.winecountry.com/cities/Gilroy/ "the Gilroy Foods plant
east of Highway 101 generates a garlicky odor that can spread all the
way to the southern suburbs of San Jose, about 20 miles north."

Apparently the plant is open 7 months out of the year dicing, drying,
packaging garlic and onion.
www.renoirgroup.com/documents/CaseStudy/11.pdf

There is even this site:
http://www.howdoesgilroysmelltoday.com/ Too bad they do not have a chart
of past ratings.

Ah! That could explain it. Thank you, Anorton!


Right now the air outside smells quite normal. Not 'Palo Alto' by
a long shot but not garlic-y in the least. The stenchometer in
your final cite is almost pegged but I see the wind direction
is directly away from me. This is good.

Thanks again!

--Winston

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:56:09 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

(...)

And while we're on the enviro bandwagon, for members of our CONgress to
-waive- the Clean Water Act, etc., for the farkin' frackers is outright
treason against the country and its people. I believe heads should roll
for that one. We have a limited supply of fresh water on Earth and it's
already endangered both here and abroad.


http://water.epa.gov/type/groundwate...licfracturing/
wells_hydroreg.cfm

Holy Crap!

--Winston

On 15 Aug 2012 20:04:12 GMT, Winston wrote:

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:56:09 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

(...)

And while we're on the enviro bandwagon, for members of our CONgress to
-waive- the Clean Water Act, etc., for the farkin' frackers is outright
treason against the country and its people. I believe heads should roll
for that one. We have a limited supply of fresh water on Earth and it's
already endangered both here and abroad.


http://water.epa.gov/type/groundwate...licfracturing/
wells_hydroreg.cfm

Holy Crap!

What, precisely, are you "holy crapping" about?


According to the guy who did research for the movie GASLAND, there are
over 500 nastyass (16 syllable) chemicals injected into the well bores
and anywhere from 50 to 90% of them are recovered. Each well takes
several million gallons of hydraulic fluids, so you can imagine why
I'm really, really concerned about fracking. Please watch the movie
and harass your CONgresscritters about the data. (It's available on
Netflix for instant viewing if you have Netflix. It will literally
scare the **** out of you, I guarantee, even if you believe only 5% of
the info provided.)

I will never travel to Nawlins after seeing that movie. Consider that
all the evaporation pools were washed into the lands on the coast of
the Southern states during Katrina. 100,000+ wells with each of their
several-million-gallon pools of chemicals washed into the soil there.
FTN. I won't be visiting there _ever_, even if I wanted to. I'm
wondering how the cancer/disease/death stats are ramping up even
now... shudder

--
Make awkward sexual advances, not war.

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:14:24 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

On 15 Aug 2012 20:04:12 GMT, Winston wrote:

(...)

http://water.epa.gov/type/groundwate...licfracturing/
wells_hydroreg.cfm

Holy Crap!

What, precisely, are you "holy crapping" about?

Same things that you are shuddering about.
That our friends in the 'energy industry' are immune from
prosecution for polluting ground water with the fracking
process.

It's all the more tragic because we can divert existing
abundant methane supplies for energy use without causing
all that destruction.

http://articles.dailypress.com/2011-...ssage-methane-
gas-20111005_1_methane-gas-landfill-gas-virginia-natural-gas

Holy Crap!

--Winston

On 16 Aug 2012 13:09:19 GMT, Winston wrote:

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:14:24 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

On 15 Aug 2012 20:04:12 GMT, Winston wrote:

(...)

http://water.epa.gov/type/groundwate...licfracturing/
wells_hydroreg.cfm

Holy Crap!

What, precisely, are you "holy crapping" about?

Same things that you are shuddering about.
That our friends in the 'energy industry' are immune from
prosecution for polluting ground water with the fracking
process.

It's all the more tragic because we can divert existing
abundant methane supplies for energy use without causing
all that destruction.

http://articles.dailypress.com/2011-...ssage-methane-
gas-20111005_1_methane-gas-landfill-gas-virginia-natural-gas

I got to the 3rd paragraph before it moved me to the home page. It
appears that you have to sign in to stay and read that article.


Holy Crap!

Something smells funny (no pun intended, much) when they want $45k to
convert a boiler from natgas to methane. Isn't that simply an orifice
change, as they do for propane? The used appliance store did it for
me for $25 in the old house. I miss that stove. DeVille, with 4 gas
burners (one thermostat controlled), huge chrome griddle in the middle
for pancakes, separate broiler with sliding scissor adjustable height
mechanism. I'm on a nice, sedate glasstop electric now and things are
a bit cleaner but considerably slower.

--
All of us want to do well. But if we do not do
good, too, then doing well will never be enough.
-- Anna Quindlen

On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:46:52 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

On 16 Aug 2012 13:09:19 GMT, Winston wrote:


(...)

http://articles.dailypress.com/2011-...ssage-methane-
gas-20111005_1_methane-gas-landfill-gas-virginia-natural-gas

I got to the 3rd paragraph before it moved me to the home page. It
appears that you have to sign in to stay and read that article.

It doesn't really matter. Point is, methane is released as a waste product
when bacteria digest biological matter. This fuel from our landfills and
sewage treatment plants will float up into the atmosphere anyway. We might
as well convert it to process heat and more benign CO2 on the way.
For virtually free, why not? There are various small - scale point-of-use
digester demo plants dotted about but AFAIK no large-scale conversion
plants in place. That's unfortunate.

Holy Crap!

Something smells funny (no pun intended, much) when they want $45k to
convert a boiler from natgas to methane. Isn't that simply an orifice
change, as they do for propane?

If it is really 'methane' then no change should be necessary.
(Natural gas is mostly methane.)
If it is 'biogas' then the CO2 really should be scrubbed from it to
boost it's energy value before combustion. Else, I imagine a stove
would require about double the flow rate to burn the stuff.

The used appliance store did it for me
for $25 in the old house. I miss that stove. DeVille, with 4 gas
burners (one thermostat controlled), huge chrome griddle in the middle
for pancakes, separate broiler with sliding scissor adjustable height
mechanism. I'm on a nice, sedate glasstop electric now and things are a
bit cleaner but considerably slower.

I *like* my natural gas stove.

--Winston