Metalworking (rec.crafts.metalworking) Discuss various aspects of working with metal, such as machining, welding, metal joining, screwing, casting, hardening/tempering, blacksmithing/forging, spinning and hammer work, sheet metal work.

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Okay, this may sound a little like trivial pursuit, but-------

I just wrote up some work instructions for a project to make 50 rug weaving
frames for my wife. She's going to put on 2 classes in making these 23" X
42" rugs this summer at our biannual national blacksmith conference in
Rapid City, SD.

Anyway, I am wracking my brain trying to remember what we called "work
instructions" at 3M company, primarily for hardgoods mfg, years ago.

It's not that I
HAVE to know, it's just that I can't dredge up the name and it bugs me. At
the time, 20 years ago, whatever we called them was pretty common in
industry.

---Oh, why did I do it all?
Well, I had to cut up a lot of 1 1/2" wide hardwood slats and then do
several operations on them. I wanted to get the slats all cut to get rid of
that mess in the shop, so, laying out my intended process flow gave me
better insight into how careful I'd have to be in stock selection,
tolerances, etc. before I started making some jigs.
My wife may be doing some of the machining, so I wanted to make sure that
the parts come out "right the first time".
And no, I won't be expecting any ISO-9001 or TS whatever auditors in the
check on me.

Pete Stanaitis
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Okay, this may sound a little like trivial pursuit, but-------

I just wrote up some work instructions for a project to make 50 rug
weaving frames for my wife. She's going to put on 2 classes in making
these 23" X 42" rugs this summer at our biannual national blacksmith
conference in Rapid City, SD.

Anyway, I am wracking my brain trying to remember what we called "work
instructions" at 3M company, primarily for hardgoods mfg, years ago.

Pete Stanaitis


http://www.instructables.com/

Plans?

Although "plan" is really a drawing that views an object from above, as in
Floor Plan, and "elevation" one that views from the side.

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Okay, this may sound a little like trivial pursuit, but-------

I just wrote up some work instructions for a project to make 50 rug weaving frames
for my wife. She's going to put on 2 classes in making these 23" X 42" rugs this
summer at our biannual national blacksmith conference in Rapid City, SD.

Anyway, I am wracking my brain trying to remember what we called "work
instructions" at 3M company, primarily for hardgoods mfg, years ago.

It's not that I
HAVE to know, it's just that I can't dredge up the name and it bugs me. At the
time, 20 years ago, whatever we called them was pretty common in industry.

---Oh, why did I do it all?
Well, I had to cut up a lot of 1 1/2" wide hardwood slats and then do several
operations on them. I wanted to get the slats all cut to get rid of that mess in
the shop, so, laying out my intended process flow gave me better insight into how
careful I'd have to be in stock selection, tolerances, etc. before I started making
some jigs.
My wife may be doing some of the machining, so I wanted to make sure that the
parts come out "right the first time".
And no, I won't be expecting any ISO-9001 or TS whatever auditors in the check on
me.

Pete Stanaitis
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Procedure?
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Thanks for you thought, but, no, not "plans".
These are the step by step instructions that tell a person exactly how to
perform a process.
Example for my current project:
--------------------------------------------------------------
2 Process: Saw Slats to length Material: 6
foot long Slats, 15/16" X 1 1/2" Tools: Radial
Arm Saw Setup: Set
up saw stops at 24" and at 43 1/2", with 1/32" accuracy2.1 Select 43 1/2" stop
2.2 Trim 1/4" from one end of a slat to square it up, or more, up to about
4", if needed, to remove any end splitting2.3 Saw
one 43 1/2" slat and place it in a 5 gallon pail, about 40 per pail. Place
short end of board in another pail.2.4 Repeat
2.2 and 2.3 until all 43 1/2" slats have been cut.2.5 Select 24" stop
2.6 Retrieve temporary pail of "short end" slats.2.7 Place
recently cut end against stop and saw a 24" slat. Place finish cut slat in
a 5 gallon pail, about 40 per pail2.8 Repeat
2.7 until all 24" slats have been cut---------------------------------------------------------------
It was our methods engineering department that usually had the job writing
these things.
If you are into ISO-9000, etc. this is the first place that auditors (used
to) go to find things wrong with your "Total Quality" process.

Pete Stanaitis
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Plans?

Although "plan" is really a drawing that views an object from above, as in
Floor Plan, and "elevation" one that views from the side.

jsw

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On 2/6/2012 19:35, Pete S wrote:
Okay, this may sound a little like trivial pursuit, but-------

I just wrote up some work instructions for a project to make 50 rug
weaving frames for my wife. She's going to put on 2 classes in making
these 23" X 42" rugs this summer at our biannual national blacksmith
conference in Rapid City, SD.

Anyway, I am wracking my brain trying to remember what we called "work
instructions" at 3M company, primarily for hardgoods mfg, years ago.

It's not that I
HAVE to know, it's just that I can't dredge up the name and it bugs me.
At the time, 20 years ago, whatever we called them was pretty common in
industry.

---Oh, why did I do it all?
Well, I had to cut up a lot of 1 1/2" wide hardwood slats and then do
several operations on them. I wanted to get the slats all cut to get rid
of that mess in the shop, so, laying out my intended process flow gave
me better insight into how careful I'd have to be in stock selection,
tolerances, etc. before I started making some jigs.
My wife may be doing some of the machining, so I wanted to make sure
that the parts come out "right the first time".
And no, I won't be expecting any ISO-9001 or TS whatever auditors in the
check on me.

Pete Stanaitis
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Operating procedure?


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Pete S wrote:
Okay, this may sound a little like trivial pursuit, but-------

I just wrote up some work instructions for a project to make 50 rug weaving frames for my wife. She's going to put on 2
classes in making these 23" X 42" rugs this summer at our biannual national blacksmith conference in Rapid City, SD.


I use 'Process'.

Good on ya!

--Winston
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Pete, I must have missed this. We're fellow 3Mers. I quit in 1991
after 15 years as a manufacturing engineer in Bedford Park and
Hutchinson.

I used to write Process Standards for how to manufacture various tape
making processes.

Karl
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On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:35:03 -0600, "Pete S"
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Okay, this may sound a little like trivial pursuit, but-------

I just wrote up some work instructions for a project to make 50 rug weaving
frames for my wife. She's going to put on 2 classes in making these 23" X
42" rugs this summer at our biannual national blacksmith conference in
Rapid City, SD.


Wow, your wife must have really strong hands! I can't even -think- of
weaving wrought iron with my strong and tough hands.

(Well, someone had to say it.)

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On 02/06/2012 09:35 AM, Pete S wrote:
Okay, this may sound a little like trivial pursuit, but-------

I just wrote up some work instructions for a project to make 50 rug
weaving frames for my wife. She's going to put on 2 classes in making
these 23" X 42" rugs this summer at our biannual national blacksmith
conference in Rapid City, SD.

Anyway, I am wracking my brain trying to remember what we called "work
instructions" at 3M company, primarily for hardgoods mfg, years ago.


Nobody follows instructions. Call them Directives and they'll be mandatory.

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On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 14:35:11 -0800, beryl wrote:

On 02/06/2012 09:35 AM, Pete S wrote:
Okay, this may sound a little like trivial pursuit, but-------

I just wrote up some work instructions for a project to make 50 rug
weaving frames for my wife. She's going to put on 2 classes in making
these 23" X 42" rugs this summer at our biannual national blacksmith
conference in Rapid City, SD.

Anyway, I am wracking my brain trying to remember what we called "work
instructions" at 3M company, primarily for hardgoods mfg, years ago.


Nobody follows instructions. Call them Directives and they'll be
mandatory.


They still won't get followed.

Make them into training videos, and at least they'll get played in the
presence of the folks who are supposed to watch them.

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My liberal friends think I'm a conservative kook.
My conservative friends think I'm a liberal kook.
Why am I not happy that they have found common ground?

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Assembley procedures?

Hul

Pete S wrote:
Okay, this may sound a little like trivial pursuit, but-------


I just wrote up some work instructions for a project to make 50 rug weaving
frames for my wife. She's going to put on 2 classes in making these 23" X
42" rugs this summer at our biannual national blacksmith conference in
Rapid City, SD.


Anyway, I am wracking my brain trying to remember what we called "work
instructions" at 3M company, primarily for hardgoods mfg, years ago.


It's not that I
HAVE to know, it's just that I can't dredge up the name and it bugs me. At
the time, 20 years ago, whatever we called them was pretty common in
industry.


---Oh, why did I do it all?
Well, I had to cut up a lot of 1 1/2" wide hardwood slats and then do
several operations on them. I wanted to get the slats all cut to get rid of
that mess in the shop, so, laying out my intended process flow gave me
better insight into how careful I'd have to be in stock selection,
tolerances, etc. before I started making some jigs.
My wife may be doing some of the machining, so I wanted to make sure that
the parts come out "right the first time".
And no, I won't be expecting any ISO-9001 or TS whatever auditors in the
check on me.


Pete Stanaitis
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I call them a CNC program.

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On 2012-02-06, Tim Wescott wrote:
On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 14:35:11 -0800, beryl wrote:

On 02/06/2012 09:35 AM, Pete S wrote:
Okay, this may sound a little like trivial pursuit, but-------

I just wrote up some work instructions for a project to make 50 rug
weaving frames for my wife. She's going to put on 2 classes in making
these 23" X 42" rugs this summer at our biannual national blacksmith
conference in Rapid City, SD.

Anyway, I am wracking my brain trying to remember what we called "work
instructions" at 3M company, primarily for hardgoods mfg, years ago.


Nobody follows instructions. Call them Directives and they'll be
mandatory.


They still won't get followed.

Make them into training videos, and at least they'll get played in the
presence of the folks who are supposed to watch them.

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"Pete S" wrote in message .. .
Okay, this may sound a little like trivial pursuit, but-------

I just wrote up some work instructions for a project to make 50 rug weaving
frames for my wife. She's going to put on 2 classes in making these 23" X
42" rugs this summer at our biannual national blacksmith conference in
Rapid City, SD.

Anyway, I am wracking my brain trying to remember what we called "work
instructions" at 3M company, primarily for hardgoods mfg, years ago.

It's not that I
HAVE to know, it's just that I can't dredge up the name and it bugs me. At
the time, 20 years ago, whatever we called them was pretty common in
industry.

---Oh, why did I do it all?
Well, I had to cut up a lot of 1 1/2" wide hardwood slats and then do
several operations on them. I wanted to get the slats all cut to get rid of
that mess in the shop, so, laying out my intended process flow gave me
better insight into how careful I'd have to be in stock selection,
tolerances, etc. before I started making some jigs.
My wife may be doing some of the machining, so I wanted to make sure that
the parts come out "right the first time".
And no, I won't be expecting any ISO-9001 or TS whatever auditors in the
check on me.



Production order=process plan+raw material

Once the two are combined and have been released to shop scheduling, the paperwork portion will oftentimes be referred to as the "traveller"
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Okay---- you laugh---- But some of our folk have done weaving with copper,
brass and silver.

Pete Stanaitis
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Wow, your wife must have really strong hands! I can't even -think- of
weaving wrought iron with my strong and tough hands.

(Well, someone had to say it.)

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Anyway, I am wracking my brain trying to remember what we called "work
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Pete Stanaitis



Process Specification Sheet.
Dave


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Anyway, I am wracking my brain trying to remember what we called "work
instructions" at 3M company, primarily for hardgoods mfg, years ago.


Can't say for 3M, but some parts of the corporate world would refer to
it as a "Work Breakdown Structure" or WBS.

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wrote:

Okay, this may sound a little like trivial pursuit, but-------

I just wrote up some work instructions for a project to make 50 rug weaving
frames for my wife. She's going to put on 2 classes in making these 23" X
42" rugs this summer at our biannual national blacksmith conference in
Rapid City, SD.

Anyway, I am wracking my brain trying to remember what we called "work
instructions" at 3M company, primarily for hardgoods mfg, years ago.

It's not that I
HAVE to know, it's just that I can't dredge up the name and it bugs me. At
the time, 20 years ago, whatever we called them was pretty common in
industry.

---Oh, why did I do it all?
Well, I had to cut up a lot of 1 1/2" wide hardwood slats and then do
several operations on them. I wanted to get the slats all cut to get rid of
that mess in the shop, so, laying out my intended process flow gave me
better insight into how careful I'd have to be in stock selection,
tolerances, etc. before I started making some jigs.
My wife may be doing some of the machining, so I wanted to make sure that
the parts come out "right the first time".
And no, I won't be expecting any ISO-9001 or TS whatever auditors in the
check on me.

Pete Stanaitis
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At Western Elecrtic, AKA At &T, AKA Lucent, AKA Agere Systems we
called them Shop Instruction or S. I.'s

Remove 333 to reply.
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That's not the name I was thinking of, but you sure have the idea correct!
Of course, our stuff didn't have many pictures back then, unless absolutely
necessary.

Pete Stanaitis
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You may be thinking of an Operational Method Sheet or OMS. It differes
from a procedure in that it does not only tell you what to do, but has
detailed pictures to show you exactly how to do it documenting practically
every single motion. In other words it assumes you have no skills and are
illiterate.


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Pete S wrote:

Okay, this may sound a little like trivial pursuit, but-------

I just wrote up some work instructions for a project to make 50 rug weaving
frames for my wife. She's going to put on 2 classes in making these 23" X
42" rugs this summer at our biannual national blacksmith conference in
Rapid City, SD.



TFM. You can't RTFM until someone writes it. ;-)


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