I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run my very old copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Karl

wrote:
I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run myvery old copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Use your 'Recovery' CDs to install the original W7.
Then run 'XP Mode' on W7:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/vir.../download.aspx

--Winston

wrote:
I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run my very old copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Karl

Did you activate it ? Microsoft usually gives you like 30 days from
install to activate an OS . Sometimes when you do a re-install it won't
activate over the 'net - you have to call an 800 number and read off some
digits , they then send you some numbers to enter and voila , activated .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

wrote:

I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run my very old copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Karl

Is it registered? You can try calling the M$ 800 number in the W7
package, the one time I had to call them they were very responsive and
helpful and even followed up later to make sure things were still ok. I
was quite impressed.

On Jan 12, 9:35*am, "Pete C." wrote:
wrote:

I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run my very old copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Karl

Is it registered? You can try calling the M$ 800 number in the W7
package, the one time I had to call them they were very responsive and
helpful and even followed up later to make sure things were still ok. I
was quite impressed

Agreed. A significant part of my business has, unfortunately (because
it's really boring), become resurrecting virus-ridden and otherwise
busted computers. Every time I've called Microsoft's activation
number, they've been helpful and polite. I've never had to pay for a
replacement license.

On Jan 12, 3:59*am, wrote:
I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run my very old copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Karl

I think you've run into the OEM vs. retail license issue. If you used
a retail install disk, it probably won't activate using the emachines'
serial, the reverse is true, also. Win7 and Vista OEM versions are
tied to the box, you can't use a retail install and an OEM serial.
You'd need emachines' install/recovery media for that machine and
probably the recovery partition on the hard drive. If you changed out
the hard drive or blew away the recovery partition, you are SOL, you'd
need a retail Win7 install disk plus a valid retail serial. Usually
the recovery disk is an extra-cost item and retailers don't have
them. People are treating the low-cost machines as disposables,
junking them if they require more fiddling than they know how to give.

Things have changed since the Win 98 days. Also, those recovery
partitions can make setting up dual-booting a lot of fun, not
recommended unless you go to full retail licenses all the way across
and start with a completely blank hard drive or drives. Much better
is a Win7 install plus virtual boxes for the old stuff, if you've got
enough CPU and memory to run such and your old app software doesn't
want to talk to specific hardware. See virtualbox.org for a non-MS
free solution.

Stan

Stanley Schaefer wrote:
On Jan 12, 3:59 am, wrote:
I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run my very old copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important
my CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and
I got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a
new background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Karl

I think you've run into the OEM vs. retail license issue. If you used
a retail install disk, it probably won't activate using the emachines'
serial, the reverse is true, also. Win7 and Vista OEM versions are
tied to the box, you can't use a retail install and an OEM serial.

I gotta disagree with ya there Stanley . I used a retail disc to reinstall
Vista Home premium on my wife's desktop . Used that same disc with it's own
serial to install Vista Ultimate on a build I did a couple of years ago ,
plus used it to install home basic (with her numbers) on my daughter's
laptop . The only one that activated without a phone call was the ultimate
build . The Vista discs have all versions available as of the manufacture
date on every disc , what gets installed is controlled by the numbers .
Anybody want a brand new 64 bit Vista Ultimate disc ?


You'd need emachines' install/recovery media for that machine and
probably the recovery partition on the hard drive. If you changed out
the hard drive or blew away the recovery partition, you are SOL, you'd
need a retail Win7 install disk plus a valid retail serial. Usually
the recovery disk is an extra-cost item and retailers don't have
them. People are treating the low-cost machines as disposables,
junking them if they require more fiddling than they know how to give.

And that's where we scavengers get boxes . I have been refurbing and
giving them to the kids in my neighborhood ... and if they treat them right
they'll get a better one in a few months .
Things have changed since the Win 98 days. Also, those recovery
partitions can make setting up dual-booting a lot of fun, not
recommended unless you go to full retail licenses all the way across
and start with a completely blank hard drive or drives. Much better
is a Win7 install plus virtual boxes for the old stuff, if you've got
enough CPU and memory to run such and your old app software doesn't
want to talk to specific hardware. See virtualbox.org for a non-MS
free solution.

Stan

I've found that it's always better to install the other OS in a dual-boot
box on a separate hard drive . I've got Ubuntu on one set up that way - the
10-04 LTS version can be set up while booted into Windows , then you get a
selection of which OS when the comp boots up .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:11:06 -0800, Winston
wrote:

wrote:
I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run myvery old copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Use your 'Recovery' CDs to install the original W7.
Then run 'XP Mode' on W7:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/vir.../download.aspx

--Winston
Or install Virtual PC or DosBox and run XP (or Dos, or whatever) in
the "virtual machine".

Also POSSIBLE to get Win 7 32 bit instead of 64 - and MOST things will
run.

....
Is it registered? You can try calling the M$ 800 number in the W7
package, the one time I had to call them they were very responsive and
helpful and even followed up later to make sure things were still ok. I
was quite impressed.

My honey just had the opposite experience. An hour of automated voice
prompts, two east indian clueless techs and then told to try calling
the manufacturer. As she said, an hour of tech. support hell.

No joy, I'll probably soon go dark.

Karl

wrote:
...
Is it registered? You can try calling the M$ 800 number in the W7
package, the one time I had to call them they were very responsive and
helpful and even followed up later to make sure things were still ok. I
was quite impressed.

My honey just had the opposite experience. An hour of automated voice
prompts, two east indian clueless techs and then told to try calling
the manufacturer. As she said, an hour of tech. support hell.

No joy, I'll probably soon go dark.


Do you have the 'restore' CDs?

--Winston

"Winston" wrote
Do you have the 'restore' CDs?

--Winston

Has anyone tried installing the W7 .ISO downloads I mentioned?
http://www.mydigitallife.info/window...-home-premium/

I haven't as I was only looking for MS drivers in case I add boards.

jsw

On 1/12/2012 5:59 AM, wrote:
I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run myvery old copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Karl


Where did you get the copy you used?

wrote:

...
Is it registered? You can try calling the M$ 800 number in the W7
package, the one time I had to call them they were very responsive and
helpful and even followed up later to make sure things were still ok. I
was quite impressed.

My honey just had the opposite experience. An hour of automated voice
prompts, two east indian clueless techs and then told to try calling
the manufacturer. As she said, an hour of tech. support hell.

No joy, I'll probably soon go dark.

Karl

This was the M$ 800 number? When I called I spent about 30 seconds in
the VRU 2 minutes giving the basic info to the first CSR, 15 seconds
being transferred to a tech and then about 10 min with the tech sorting
out the issue. About 30 min later I got a call from a supervisor
following up to ensure the issue was resolved.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:51:34 -0500, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

On 1/12/2012 5:59 AM, wrote:
I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run myvery old copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Karl


Where did you get the copy you used?

I got the DVD OS install from a wire brush guy VBG

The COA sticker on the box was the product number I used.
M$oft says its not valid and told my better half to call the
manufacturer. Can't find a place to call on this best buy emachine.

I'll be returning the 'puter to best buy as soon as it dies.

I NOW REALLY F%^&ING HATE M$OFT. This new OS won't run my old software
and caused all the trouble. I've spent DAYS on this.

Karl

On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:46:21 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


"Winston" wrote
Do you have the 'restore' CDs?

--Winston

Has anyone tried installing the W7 .ISO downloads I mentioned?
http://www.mydigitallife.info/window...-home-premium/

I haven't as I was only looking for MS drivers in case I add boards.

jsw


I had a hell of a time downloading this large a file. Finally got it
done and made a DVD. As it worked out, Tom Gardner got an original to
me before I tried it.

Karl

On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:20:06 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:51:34 -0500, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

On 1/12/2012 5:59 AM, wrote:
I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run myvery old copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Karl


Where did you get the copy you used?

I got the DVD OS install from a wire brush guy VBG

Uh, oh! Look for changes in your shopping habits, in case it's loaded
with evil subliminal messages telling you to BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES!
BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES! BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES! BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES!


The COA sticker on the box was the product number I used.
M$oft says its not valid and told my better half to call the
manufacturer. Can't find a place to call on this best buy emachine.

I'll be returning the 'puter to best buy as soon as it dies.

Whuffo you do dat?


I NOW REALLY F%^&ING HATE M$OFT. This new OS won't run my old software
and caused all the trouble. I've spent DAYS on this.

If you have the Win7 Pro (or Ultimate), it will give you an XP mode
which will have a better DOS mode for older software.

--
Make awkward sexual advances, not war.

wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:51:34 -0500, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

On 1/12/2012 5:59 AM, wrote:
I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run myvery old copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Karl


Where did you get the copy you used?

I got the DVD OS install from a wire brush guy VBG

The COA sticker on the box was the product number I used.
M$oft says its not valid and told my better half to call the
manufacturer. Can't find a place to call on this best buy emachine.

I'll be returning the 'puter to best buy as soon as it dies.

I NOW REALLY F%^&ING HATE M$OFT. This new OS won't run my old software
and caused all the trouble. I've spent DAYS on this.

Karl

When you want to run older software and specialty hardware, it is
generally best to *not* try to upgrade anything before absolutely
confirming compatibility. Technology progresses and decade old software
and hardware can not be expected to be supported on new hardware and
OSes.

"Pete C." wrote
wrote:


I NOW REALLY F%^&ING HATE M$OFT. This new OS won't run my old software
and caused all the trouble. I've spent DAYS on this.

Karl

When you want to run older software and specialty hardware, it is
generally best to *not* try to upgrade anything before absolutely
confirming compatibility. Technology progresses and decade old software
and hardware can not be expected to be supported on new hardware and
OSes.

So why do you need to upgrade your old CNC controller to Windows 7???

Second-hand XP machines are cheap now, I recently bought a 3.6GHz Dell tower
for IIRC $35. The Dell office series is pretty solid, though limited in
expansion slots and sometimes power supply capacity. I built a low-buck
media center that records HDTV from one.

You can change XP from networked to stand-alone behavior in
PropertiesComputer Name.

jsw

On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 05:35:56 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:


Uh, oh! Look for changes in your shopping habits, in case it's loaded
with evil subliminal messages telling you to BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES!
BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES! BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES! BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES!
\
You have it all wrong Larry, it is from those far eastern suppliers
saying BUY Useless WIRE BRUSHES! BUY Useless WIRE BRUSHES! BUY
Useless WIRE BRUSHES! BUY Useless WIRE BRUSHES!

I tend to buy Spanish or Italian wire brushes rather than far eastern
( really far northern ) as the quality is better. There are none made
in Oz and Tom does not sell here.

Alan

On 1/14/2012 8:20 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:51:34 -0500, Tom Gardnermars@tacks wrote:

On 1/12/2012 5:59 AM, wrote:
I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run myvery old copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Karl


Where did you get the copy you used?

I got the DVD OS install from a wire brush guyVBG

The COA sticker on the box was the product number I used.
M$oft says its not valid and told my better half to call the
manufacturer. Can't find a place to call on this best buy emachine.

I'll be returning the 'puter to best buy as soon as it dies.

I NOW REALLY F%^&ING HATE M$OFT. This new OS won't run my old software
and caused all the trouble. I've spent DAYS on this.

Karl



I'm not sure but I thought you had a Dell. Did you get a generic OEM or
a Dell OEM from that idiot? Dell OEM versions are pre-registered and
the info in the BIOS precludes doing any registering or validating. You
could use a "Windows 7 loader". That is a software patch that fools the
OS with an OEM BIOS patch into thinking it's pre-registered. Don't ask
how I know this.

On 1/14/2012 8:35 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:20:06 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:51:34 -0500, Tom Gardnermars@tacks wrote:

On 1/12/2012 5:59 AM, wrote:
I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run myvery old copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Karl


Where did you get the copy you used?

I got the DVD OS install from a wire brush guyVBG

Uh, oh! Look for changes in your shopping habits, in case it's loaded
with evil subliminal messages telling you to BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES!
BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES! BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES! BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES!


The COA sticker on the box was the product number I used.
M$oft says its not valid and told my better half to call the
manufacturer. Can't find a place to call on this best buy emachine.

I'll be returning the 'puter to best buy as soon as it dies.

Whuffo you do dat?


I NOW REALLY F%^&ING HATE M$OFT. This new OS won't run my old software
and caused all the trouble. I've spent DAYS on this.

If you have the Win7 Pro (or Ultimate), it will give you an XP mode
which will have a better DOS mode for older software.

--
Make awkward sexual advances, not war.


BRILLIANT IDEA! That ranks right up there with my "Random Invoice
Generator".

On 1/14/2012 12:06 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 05:35:56 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:


Uh, oh! Look for changes in your shopping habits, in case it's loaded
with evil subliminal messages telling you to BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES!
BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES! BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES! BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES!
\
You have it all wrong Larry, it is from those far eastern suppliers
saying BUY Useless WIRE BRUSHES! BUY Useless WIRE BRUSHES! BUY
Useless WIRE BRUSHES! BUY Useless WIRE BRUSHES!

I tend to buy Spanish or Italian wire brushes rather than far eastern
( really far northern ) as the quality is better. There are none made
in Oz and Tom does not sell here.

Alan


There is at least one brush co. in Australia and I often thought it
would be a great place to retire. I was asked by a guy in the Congo
that wanted me to come help him modify some machines. I would go in a
heartbeat just for the experience of a new vista.

On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 01:06:27 +0800, wrote:

On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 05:35:56 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:


Uh, oh! Look for changes in your shopping habits, in case it's loaded
with evil subliminal messages telling you to BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES!
BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES! BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES! BUY U.S. WIRE BRUSHES!
\
You have it all wrong Larry, it is from those far eastern suppliers
saying BUY Useless WIRE BRUSHES! BUY Useless WIRE BRUSHES! BUY
Useless WIRE BRUSHES! BUY Useless WIRE BRUSHES!

Tawm would NEVER put out software like that. Ain't happenin'.


I tend to buy Spanish or Italian wire brushes rather than far eastern
( really far northern ) as the quality is better. There are none made
in Oz and Tom does not sell here.

Time to talk to Tawm about either
A) Becoming an OBC wholesale buyer, for Oz retail,
or
B) Opening up an Aussie branch of Ohio Brush, innit?

--
Make awkward sexual advances, not war.

On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:20:06 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:51:34 -0500, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

On 1/12/2012 5:59 AM, wrote:
I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run myvery old copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Karl


Where did you get the copy you used?

I got the DVD OS install from a wire brush guy VBG

The COA sticker on the box was the product number I used.
M$oft says its not valid and told my better half to call the
manufacturer. Can't find a place to call on this best buy emachine.

I'll be returning the 'puter to best buy as soon as it dies.

I NOW REALLY F%^&ING HATE M$OFT. This new OS won't run my old software
and caused all the trouble. I've spent DAYS on this.

Karl

Get used to it. Apple was that way for years.

You cannot run 16 0r 32 bit programs on a 64 bit OS.
You CAN run a 32 bit OS as a VM - which will get you by for MOST
programs - but not all - and it depends what VM you use.

I used Hyper V for a while and loved it - then got forced into
switching toVM-Ware. What an ignorant, brain-dead OS THAT is in
comparison to the Microsoft product!!!!!

On Jan 14, 9:38*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:20:06 -0500,
wrote:





On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:51:34 -0500, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

On 1/12/2012 5:59 AM, wrote:
I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run myvery old *copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Karl

Where did you get the copy you used?

I got the DVD OS install from a wire brush guy VBG

The COA sticker on the box was the product number I used.
M$oft says its not valid and told my better half to call the
manufacturer. Can't find a place to call on this best buy emachine.

I'll be returning the 'puter to best buy as soon as it dies.

I NOW REALLY F%^&ING HATE M$OFT. This new OS won't run my old software
and caused all the trouble. I've spent DAYS on this.

Karl

*Get used to it. Apple was that way for years.

You cannot run 16 0r 32 bit programs on a 64 bit OS.
*You CAN run a 32 bit OS as a VM - which will get you by for MOST
programs - but not all - and it depends what VM you use.

*I used Hyper V for a while and loved it - then got forced into
switching toVM-Ware. What an ignorant, brain-dead OS THAT is in
comparison to the Microsoft product!!!!!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

???? I've got Win7 64-bit set up as a media center machine, runs all
the XP 32-bit video editing programs I have plus a bunch of other
stuff I've tried. What it won't do is use 32-bit DRIVERS or old XP
drivers. Vista drivers mostly work. Also did away with DOS-mode
commands, uses a different command line and batch mode handler now.
I'm not using the thing as a game box or for other stuff, though, an
XP install does all that other stuff on another box. Seems fussy
about hardware, too, had to swap from a Zotac MB to a Gigabyte to get
AHCI running so I could hot-swap SATA drives. Sometimes Intel
chipsets just work better.

Stan

On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:54:46 -0800 (PST), Stanley Schaefer
wrote:

On Jan 14, 9:38Â*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:20:06 -0500,
wrote:





On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:51:34 -0500, Tom Gardner mars@tacks wrote:

On 1/12/2012 5:59 AM, wrote:
I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run myvery old Â*copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Karl

Where did you get the copy you used?

I got the DVD OS install from a wire brush guy VBG

The COA sticker on the box was the product number I used.
M$oft says its not valid and told my better half to call the
manufacturer. Can't find a place to call on this best buy emachine.

I'll be returning the 'puter to best buy as soon as it dies.

I NOW REALLY F%^&ING HATE M$OFT. This new OS won't run my old software
and caused all the trouble. I've spent DAYS on this.

Karl

Â*Get used to it. Apple was that way for years.

You cannot run 16 0r 32 bit programs on a 64 bit OS.
Â*You CAN run a 32 bit OS as a VM - which will get you by for MOST
programs - but not all - and it depends what VM you use.

Â*I used Hyper V for a while and loved it - then got forced into
switching toVM-Ware. What an ignorant, brain-dead OS THAT is in
comparison to the Microsoft product!!!!!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

???? I've got Win7 64-bit set up as a media center machine, runs all
the XP 32-bit video editing programs I have plus a bunch of other
stuff I've tried. What it won't do is use 32-bit DRIVERS or old XP
drivers. Vista drivers mostly work. Also did away with DOS-mode
commands, uses a different command line and batch mode handler now.
I'm not using the thing as a game box or for other stuff, though, an
XP install does all that other stuff on another box. Seems fussy
about hardware, too, had to swap from a Zotac MB to a Gigabyte to get
AHCI running so I could hot-swap SATA drives. Sometimes Intel
chipsets just work better.

Stan
You generally don't go wrong using Intel products - and the rule of
thumb with Win7 - and particularly 7-64 - is if it is not on the
compatibility list, it is NOT. Period.

I did make one mistake. I forgot to put in you cannot run SOME 16 or
32 bit programs on a 64 bit OS - and also you cannot run 64 bit
programs on a 16 or 32 bit OS - which is what I really MEANT to say.

I"M BACK!

I installed XP on this box. Had quite a fight getting all the drivers, etc.
working. I do really hate M$oft for all the trouble. Not my idea of being
good to customers.

I'm just using outleak for NGs for now. I may try to reinstall agent later.

FWIW, the COA sticker you get on an emachine is NOT really a COA sticker.
M$oft won't accept it. Finnaly got the vendor to tell me the same thing. If
you lose the HD you are FUBAR. Just a heads up to other clueless types like
myself.



Karl

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 07:23:00 -0600, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:

I"M BACK!

I installed XP on this box. Had quite a fight getting all the drivers, etc.
working. I do really hate M$oft for all the trouble. Not my idea of being
good to customers.

I'm just using outleak for NGs for now. I may try to reinstall agent later.

FWIW, the COA sticker you get on an emachine is NOT really a COA sticker.
M$oft won't accept it. Finnaly got the vendor to tell me the same thing. If
you lose the HD you are FUBAR. Just a heads up to other clueless types like
myself.



Karl


Hey Karl,

Full Agent runs OK on my 32-bit Windows 7. I can't recall if I bought
a "new" download or if I transferred it over from the XP machine, but
it is iodentical in looks and operation. (To be truthful, "I" didn't
do anything...I had a nice lady geek come over and do it.)

My saddest bit is losing Eudora Pro, which I really really really
like(d). I got the first use of it as "freebie" from the ISP, bought
the full version shortly thereafter, and have used since the early
1990's. It is a much much better program than this "FN" Windows Live,
but 7 does not like it, and Eudora is now Eudroa7, an "Open Source"
program, whatever that means.

Good luck. Take care.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:12:13 -0500, Brian Lawson
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 07:23:00 -0600, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:

I"M BACK!

I installed XP on this box. Had quite a fight getting all the drivers, etc.
working. I do really hate M$oft for all the trouble. Not my idea of being
good to customers.

I'm just using outleak for NGs for now. I may try to reinstall agent later.

FWIW, the COA sticker you get on an emachine is NOT really a COA sticker.
M$oft won't accept it. Finnaly got the vendor to tell me the same thing. If
you lose the HD you are FUBAR. Just a heads up to other clueless types like
myself.



Karl


Hey Karl,

Full Agent runs OK on my 32-bit Windows 7. I can't recall if I bought
a "new" download or if I transferred it over from the XP machine, but
it is iodentical in looks and operation. (To be truthful, "I" didn't
do anything...I had a nice lady geek come over and do it.)

My saddest bit is losing Eudora Pro, which I really really really
like(d). I got the first use of it as "freebie" from the ISP, bought
the full version shortly thereafter, and have used since the early
1990's. It is a much much better program than this "FN" Windows Live,
but 7 does not like it, and Eudora is now Eudroa7, an "Open Source"
program, whatever that means.

Good luck. Take care.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.

Hi, Brian:-

Won't Eudora Pro run under Win7? AFAIUI, you have to change the
default storage location, but otherwise it should run even under Win7
x64.

"Karl Townsend" wrote in message
...
I"M BACK!

I installed XP on this box. Had quite a fight getting all the drivers,
etc. working. I do really hate M$oft for all the trouble. Not my idea of
being good to customers.

I'm just using outleak for NGs for now. I may try to reinstall agent
later.

FWIW, the COA sticker you get on an emachine is NOT really a COA sticker.
M$oft won't accept it. Finnaly got the vendor to tell me the same thing.
If you lose the HD you are FUBAR. Just a heads up to other clueless types
like myself.
Karl

The simple free solution:
http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/sup...ads/discwizard
http://support.wdc.com/product/downl...l.asp?swid=119
They nominally work only on their own brand of drives.

Copy an image of your C: drive onto a second internal or an external USB
drive, restore the copy if you hose the OS. It's a lot quicker than
reinstalling the OS and programs. You can make a bootable CD or flash drive
to restore an image to a blank new hard drive. The drive image will likely
work on only the PC it came from, so you can't copy a validated XP or 7
installation to another machine this way.

Every few weeks (or months) I purge the accumulated Net dreck, run AVG,
Malwarebytes and Spybot scans and make a Pre[mmddyy] backup, then update all
the software. If the updates don't cause problems I save a Post[mmddyy]
backup. Then I can safely experiment with new downloaded programs and
drivers.

My tower desktops have the C: drive in removeable cartridges so reverting to
an older good system version is even easier. I swapped them often when
trying to find 7 or Vista drivers for older hardware. Some were not perfect,
but close enough. They were for the same chipset on a different board.

Those programs let you add and resize partitions but it's tricky and I have
to practice each time. EASEUS Partition Master is easier. I usually divide a
laptop drive into DOS utility & diagnostics, C: for the operating system and
D: for downloads and my files, to reduce the size of C: backups. The D:
partition can be simply copied to a USB drive for backups. D: is a second
physical drive on desktops that accept one.

jsw

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:52:41 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
wrote:

BIG SNIP
My saddest bit is losing Eudora Pro, which I really really really
like(d). I got the first use of it as "freebie" from the ISP, bought
the full version shortly thereafter, and have used since the early
1990's. It is a much much better program than this "FN" Windows Live,
but 7 does not like it, and Eudora is now Eudroa7, an "Open Source"
program, whatever that means.

Good luck. Take care.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.

Hi, Brian:-

Won't Eudora Pro run under Win7? AFAIUI, you have to change the
default storage location, but otherwise it should run even under Win7
x64.


Hey Speff,

I don't know!?!? The geek lady wasn't familiar with Eudora at all,
and I was the one told her it wouldn't work when I tried to get it
moved over. So maybe there is joy in sight!?!?!

I'll write you direct if you don't mind.

Take care.

Brian.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:33:04 -0500, Brian Lawson
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:52:41 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
wrote:

BIG SNIP
My saddest bit is losing Eudora Pro, which I really really really
like(d). I got the first use of it as "freebie" from the ISP, bought
the full version shortly thereafter, and have used since the early
1990's. It is a much much better program than this "FN" Windows Live,
but 7 does not like it, and Eudora is now Eudroa7, an "Open Source"
program, whatever that means.

Good luck. Take care.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.

Hi, Brian:-

Won't Eudora Pro run under Win7? AFAIUI, you have to change the
default storage location, but otherwise it should run even under Win7
x64.


Hey Speff,

I don't know!?!? The geek lady wasn't familiar with Eudora at all,
and I was the one told her it wouldn't work when I tried to get it
moved over. So maybe there is joy in sight!?!?!

I'll write you direct if you don't mind.

You're always welcome to do so!

Take care.

Brian.

This came to me via Harold Vordos

http://htwins.net/scale2/scale2.swf?bordercolor=white

and after I passed it on, Jan-Eric replied with 2 mo


"Cosmic Zoom", 1968 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgfwCrKe_Fk


"Powers of Ten", 1977 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fKBhvDjuy0

All good stuff !!!!!

Brian Lawson.

On 1/14/2012 10:58 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 1/14/2012 8:20 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:51:34 -0500, Tom Gardnermars@tacks wrote:

On 1/12/2012 5:59 AM, wrote:
I bought this computer a month ago. Then I learned that W7 would not
run myvery old copy of autocad, visual basic, and most important my
CNC control software(Camsoft).

I managed to completely hose W7 trying to get XP running on the same
box. So, I went nuclear:reformated, installed XP, then W7 using the
COA sticker on the side of this box (emachine from Best Buy).

All was well until just a few minutes ago. The screen went black and I
got "This copy of windows is not genuine". I was able to put in a new
background.

Is this box about to die? What should I do?

Karl


Where did you get the copy you used?

I got the DVD OS install from a wire brush guyVBG

The COA sticker on the box was the product number I used.
M$oft says its not valid and told my better half to call the
manufacturer. Can't find a place to call on this best buy emachine.

I'll be returning the 'puter to best buy as soon as it dies.

I NOW REALLY F%^&ING HATE M$OFT. This new OS won't run my old software
and caused all the trouble. I've spent DAYS on this.

Karl



I'm not sure but I thought you had a Dell. Did you get a generic OEM or
a Dell OEM from that idiot? Dell OEM versions are pre-registered and the
info in the BIOS precludes doing any registering or validating. You
could use a "Windows 7 loader". That is a software patch that fools the
OS with an OEM BIOS patch into thinking it's pre-registered. Don't ask
how I know this.

The lawyers and nit-pickers will argue this till eternity, but
if you have a valid COA sticker on the machine, you probably won't go to
jail for running the OS, no matter where or how you got the ones and zeros.

mike wrote:

I'm not sure but I thought you had a Dell. Did you get a generic OEM or
a Dell OEM from that idiot? Dell OEM versions are pre-registered and the
info in the BIOS precludes doing any registering or validating. You
could use a "Windows 7 loader". That is a software patch that fools the
OS with an OEM BIOS patch into thinking it's pre-registered. Don't ask
how I know this.

The lawyers and nit-pickers will argue this till eternity, but
if you have a valid COA sticker on the machine, you probably won't go to
jail for running the OS, no matter where or how you got the ones and zeros.


I had an XP computer to repair for someone, and it claimed XP was
fake because the date was set wrong.


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