For the past few days, I have been watching and listening to the big dustup
about the young people occupying Wall Street.

Some have even referred to them as "hippies".

I'm 62, and a survivor of the sixties, and I resent that comparison big
time. I was a hippy for a time. It was fun. Luckily, I survived, and
outgrew it.

We were a rag tag group. We were on LSD, pot, quaaludes, Ripple, whatever
we could get. Some were actually stone cold sober. In interviews in the
archives from the 60's, when one of the hippy protesters was asked what they
were protesting, they could COHERENTLY state their point. Get out of Viet
Nam. End government corruption. Whatever, but they could COHERENTLY state
a cogent point of view.

This new crowd is I think quite a bit more educated than those of forty
years ago. But listening to them is a chore. ****, someone in the sixties
that had taken two Quaaludes or a hit of window pane could hold a better
conversation than these kids. All I hear is left wing liberal Marxist bent
statements. Take from the rich and give it to the poor with no contribution
of work or effort from the poor. The poor people who have televisions,
computers, cars, air conditioning, and many things that people who live in
truly poor countries would consider the mark of a VERY rich person. Things
like indoor plumbing, hot water, a waterproof roof, insulation, and
electricity.

This new gang is plain scary. If they ever get the helm, we're ****ed. I
think they see the reality that they will have to go out after college, get
a real job, and move out of Mom's basement. Socialism with a government
taking care of their every need sounds better than really having to work.
They fail to grasp the fact that their needs will be interpreted to be a
minimal subsistence existence with no frills.

I believe I am going to become a hedonist. Cause this bus is heading
towards a cliff fast, and I don't think we have long left. And if the young
don't get their heads out of their asses, and this current gang in power
isn't taken down, we will either have socialism or armed revolution. I
prefer the latter personally.

Steve

On 10/05/2011 02:49 PM, Steve B wrote:
For the past few days, I have been watching and listening to the big dustup
about the young people occupying Wall Street.

Some have even referred to them as "hippies".

I'm 62, and a survivor of the sixties, and I resent that comparison big
time. I was a hippy for a time. It was fun. Luckily, I survived, and
outgrew it.

We were a rag tag group. We were on LSD, pot, quaaludes, Ripple, whatever
we could get. Some were actually stone cold sober. In interviews in the
archives from the 60's, when one of the hippy protesters was asked what they
were protesting, they could COHERENTLY state their point. Get out of Viet
Nam. End government corruption. Whatever, but they could COHERENTLY state
a cogent point of view.

This new crowd is I think quite a bit more educated than those of forty
years ago. But listening to them is a chore. ****, someone in the sixties
that had taken two Quaaludes or a hit of window pane could hold a better
conversation than these kids. All I hear is left wing liberal Marxist bent
statements. Take from the rich and give it to the poor with no contribution
of work or effort from the poor. The poor people who have televisions,
computers, cars, air conditioning, and many things that people who live in
truly poor countries would consider the mark of a VERY rich person. Things
like indoor plumbing, hot water, a waterproof roof, insulation, and
electricity.

This new gang is plain scary. If they ever get the helm, we're ****ed. I
think they see the reality that they will have to go out after college, get
a real job, and move out of Mom's basement. Socialism with a government
taking care of their every need sounds better than really having to work.
They fail to grasp the fact that their needs will be interpreted to be a
minimal subsistence existence with no frills.

I believe I am going to become a hedonist. Cause this bus is heading
towards a cliff fast, and I don't think we have long left. And if the young
don't get their heads out of their asses, and this current gang in power
isn't taken down, we will either have socialism or armed revolution. I
prefer the latter personally.

Steve



Reminds me of "New Riders of the Purple Wage" by Phillip Jose Farmer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riders_of_the_Purple_Wage



technomaNge
--
"I don't know what his issues are and I don't have enough spare time to
care."

Wes

Reminds me of "New Riders of the Purple Wage" by Phillip Jose Farmer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riders_of_the_Purple_Wage



technomaNge


In his afterword to the story, Farmer mentions the Triple Revolution
memo, a document sent to United States President Lyndon Johnson in 1964,
with policy suggestions for the future of the nation in the face of
"three separate and mutually reinforcing revolutions." These were
identified as "The Cybernation Revolution," (massive automatic
production, requiring progressively less human labor), "The Weaponry
Revolution" (the development of new forms of weaponry which can
obliterate civilization), and "The Human Rights Revolution" (a universal
demand for human rights).

The source of Rex Luscus' name is described in the story as the quote,
"In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is King". The original
phrase is "In regione caecorum, rex est luscus," from Desiderius Erasmus
Roterodamus' Collecteana Adagiorum.

This is likely to also be a reference to the early SF writer H. G.
Wells' story, "The Country of the Blind" in which a sighted man finds
himself in a literal country of the blind, plots to use his advantage to
rule them, but fails because his ability is not appreciated by the
population.

On 10/5/2011 3:49 PM, Steve B wrote:
I believe I am going to become a hedonist. Cause this bus is heading
towards a cliff fast, and I don't think we have long left. And if the young
don't get their heads out of their asses, and this current gang in power
isn't taken down, we will either have socialism or armed revolution. I
prefer the latter personally.

LOL. "We're all Bozos on this bus."

--
:3 )~

On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:16:31 -0400, Mouse wrote:

On 10/5/2011 3:49 PM, Steve B wrote:
I believe I am going to become a hedonist. Cause this bus is heading
towards a cliff fast, and I don't think we have long left. And if the young
don't get their heads out of their asses, and this current gang in power
isn't taken down, we will either have socialism or armed revolution. I
prefer the latter personally.

LOL. "We're all Bozos on this bus."

HONK!

Got ammo? wink

--
I merely took the energy it takes to pout and wrote some blues.
--Duke Ellington

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:16:31 -0400, Mouse wrote:

On 10/5/2011 3:49 PM, Steve B wrote:
I believe I am going to become a hedonist. Cause this bus is
heading towards a cliff fast, and I don't think we have long left.
And if the young don't get their heads out of their asses, and this
current gang in power isn't taken down, we will either have
socialism or armed revolution. I prefer the latter personally.

LOL. "We're all Bozos on this bus."

HONK!

Got ammo? wink

And components to make more ... And components to make components ... I
was always a warmonger .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

On 10/6/2011 2:43 PM, Snag wrote:

And components to make more ... And components to make components ... I
was always a warmonger .

Had a guy come by today looking for some prototypes and pre-production
work for large bore air rifles. By large bore, I mean .45 and up.
He demonstrated a .45 rifle, charging it via a bicycle style pump on
steroids, to around 2500 PSI. I had two 1" thick laminated particle
board cabinet tops headed for the dump, so leaned them up against each
other for a target. Lordy, it sounded almost as loud as a real firearm!
Punched a nice clean hole in the laminate on the first board, and a nice
big exit hole on the 2nd.

And it still had enough air for 2 more shots! These shoot the same
bullets as black powder rifles. So, couple of molds and a source of
lead, and you're shooting for as long as you can man the pump. (while
they can be hand charged, they usually use pressure tanks)

Here's one example, a Quackenbush .50
http://quackenbushairguns.com/bandit_1.html

This ain't yer daddy's Daisy!


Jon

On 10/6/2011 11:48 PM, Jon Anderson wrote:
On 10/6/2011 2:43 PM, Snag wrote:

And components to make more ... And components to make components ... I
was always a warmonger .

Had a guy come by today looking for some prototypes and pre-production
work for large bore air rifles. By large bore, I mean .45 and up.
He demonstrated a .45 rifle, charging it via a bicycle style pump on
steroids, to around 2500 PSI. I had two 1" thick laminated particle
board cabinet tops headed for the dump, so leaned them up against each
other for a target. Lordy, it sounded almost as loud as a real firearm!
Punched a nice clean hole in the laminate on the first board, and a nice
big exit hole on the 2nd.

And it still had enough air for 2 more shots! These shoot the same
bullets as black powder rifles. So, couple of molds and a source of
lead, and you're shooting for as long as you can man the pump. (while
they can be hand charged, they usually use pressure tanks)

Here's one example, a Quackenbush .50
http://quackenbushairguns.com/bandit_1.html

This ain't yer daddy's Daisy!


Jon


Air Rifles were quite popular back in the Lewis and Clark era.

The leading competitors were mostly flintlocks and matchlocks.
EITHER of which were rendered useless if the powder got wet.

The idea of a self-contained cartridge was probably floating around,
but they were not readily available.

technomaNge wrote:

Reminds me of "New Riders of the Purple Wage" by Phillip Jose Farmer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riders_of_the_Purple_Wage


I was hoping I could get that on my Kindle. No such luck

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 20:48:06 -0800, Jon Anderson
wrote:

On 10/6/2011 2:43 PM, Snag wrote:

And components to make more ... And components to make components ... I
was always a warmonger .

Had a guy come by today looking for some prototypes and pre-production
work for large bore air rifles. By large bore, I mean .45 and up.
He demonstrated a .45 rifle, charging it via a bicycle style pump on
steroids, to around 2500 PSI. I had two 1" thick laminated particle
board cabinet tops headed for the dump, so leaned them up against each
other for a target. Lordy, it sounded almost as loud as a real firearm!
Punched a nice clean hole in the laminate on the first board, and a nice
big exit hole on the 2nd.

And it still had enough air for 2 more shots! These shoot the same
bullets as black powder rifles. So, couple of molds and a source of
lead, and you're shooting for as long as you can man the pump. (while
they can be hand charged, they usually use pressure tanks)

Here's one example, a Quackenbush .50
http://quackenbushairguns.com/bandit_1.html

This ain't yer daddy's Daisy!


Jon

The .50-caliber Bandit sends a 180+-grain ball downrange at a trifle
more than 800 f.p.s.,

Just about what a 38 S&W pistol does. NOT a 38 Special.....

Which is considered in the low end of self defense rounds out of a
handgun.


"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)

On 10/09/2011 04:33 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:


The .50-caliber Bandit sends a 180+-grain ball downrange at a trifle
more than 800 f.p.s.,

Just about what a 38 S&W pistol does. NOT a 38 Special.....

Which is considered in the low end of self defense rounds out of a
handgun.


I seem to remember that is similar to a Colt 45 round's speed.
Do you consider a 45 to be at the low end in self defense?


technomaNge
--
“If 10 percent is good enough for God, then 9 percent is good
enough for government.”
Herman Cain

On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:33:57 -0500, technomaNge wrote:

On 10/09/2011 04:33 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:


The .50-caliber Bandit sends a 180+-grain ball downrange at a trifle
more than 800 f.p.s.,

Just about what a 38 S&W pistol does. NOT a 38 Special.....

Which is considered in the low end of self defense rounds out of a
handgun.


I seem to remember that is similar to a Colt 45 round's speed.
Do you consider a 45 to be at the low end in self defense?


technomaNge

The 45 Colt doesnt use a round ball weighting 180 grs. nor does it use a
..44 diameter projectile.

While it will kill...one should remember one is comparing a handgun
cartridge to a rifle.

It would be good enough for coyotes at most..at close ranges.

Given that a simple black powder charge will launch that same ball at
1800 FPS...over 2x the velocity.....

Not running down the rifle by anymeans. Its intersting and has some
value in certain applications indeed!

But one must keep in mind that the Austrians who used pneumatic arms
first in war..used .69 caliber and larger rounds......at double the
weight..in a conflict where simply wounding a man took him out of
battle...using a slow and small projectile to Kill an animal..might not
be optimal.

Given all that, Id love to have one of the rifles, just to putter with.

Gunner

"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)