CaveLamb wrote:
Whatever...

I just talked to my local constituent representative person about the
TSA verses Texas patdown showdown...

I'm all for the showdown.

Because I see what TSA does in airports as unreasonable search and seizure.
(I'm guessing that's a 4th Amendment thing? But maybe you guys know
better?)

NOWHERE else in the world puts up with this (*&@$).

Anyway, what I got from her was a chuckle and a nod.
So I guess we'll be reading more about this soon?



Except maybe Orange County, Californiastan...


http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/po...ant-court.html


--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress

On Wed, 25 May 2011 13:52:37 -0700, Rich Grise
wrote:

CaveLamb wrote:
Ed Huntress wrote:

Or do what responsible people do in representative democracies: campaign
to change the law, if you don't like it.


It's not that I disagree with what you said, Ed.
It's just that after watching this happen for a lifetime
I'm starting to question the wisdom of it.

With so many people, each with his or her own ideas of how
things should be, many of them contradictory, I'm beginning
to think the system doesn't have a chance of working...

That's exactly what the Libertarians have been trying to tell you people
for decades!

We need to get rid of all that expensive ridiculous government and give
Liberty a try for a change. According to the Constitution of the United
States, the government is supposed to consist of:

. One President
. One Vice President
. One Hundred Senators
. 435 Representatives (at the moment)
. Nine Supreme Court Justices.

And that's all it should take! The government is supposed to be nothing but
a focal point, a clearinghouse, if you will, where the states can take
dealings when they need an arbiter.

But apparently people are terrified of Liberty. "Well, you can't have
everybody running around doing whatever they want to do!!!! =:-O"

Why not? And who wants to take over the job of God and tell everybody what
to do and when?

Besides Barack Hussein Obama, of course.

I can sum up my religion and politics in one sentence: Freedom is my Worship
Word.

Thanks,
Rich

Pretty damned well said.

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

On Wed, 25 May 2011 17:45:47 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:

You'll get a test of that if you ever have the misfortune to have an
expensive, life-threatening medical condition (God forbid), and we see if
you stick to your uninsured guns and refuse care. We wouldn't want you to
have to become a ward of the state, like Gunner, would we?




Ed, you are nursing that cruel streak...again...

Ward of the state? Who might Eddy boi be talking about?

Im making regular payments to the County on my bill.

Which of course is more than Eddies favorite Illegal Aliens do.

Did Eddie mention that particular medical bill was the only state aid
Ive ever received? In 57 yrs and having provided several years of
military service. And having paid emmense taxes both state and feral
over the years. I live in California...enough said on that ......

No..Im sure Eddie boi didnt. But then...he really doesnt
care..Leftwingers never care about anyone but themselves or their
fellow Leftwingers...and they only care about their fellow
leftwingers..because everyone else hates them...or pities them.

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 May 2011 17:45:47 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:

You'll get a test of that if you ever have the misfortune to have an
expensive, life-threatening medical condition (God forbid), and we see
if
you stick to your uninsured guns and refuse care. We wouldn't want you
to
have to become a ward of the state, like Gunner, would we?




Ed, you are nursing that cruel streak...again...

Ward of the state? Who might Eddy boi be talking about?

The state dictated that you had to be cared for. Then it paid your bill, to
which you make a token upon a token of payment, probably not keeping up with
the interest on the interest.


Im making regular payments to the County on my bill.

Good for you. In another 100 years or so, you'll only only a couple of
million.


Which of course is more than Eddies favorite Illegal Aliens do.

I never had one of those.


Did Eddie mention that particular medical bill was the only state aid
Ive ever received? In 57 yrs and having provided several years of
military service. And having paid emmense taxes both state and feral
over the years. I live in California...enough said on that ......

You don't seem to get it, Gunner. As I've said many times, I'm in favor of
the support that was provided to you. Keeping people alive, even at the
expense of the rest of us, is a mark of a civilized society.

But you didn't pay for your own health care. You can't say "put my taxes
aside -- don't charge me for defense, or SS, or the public education that
*I* got because someone else once paid taxes. Just apply it all toward my
own future medical bills." You paid the same amount as everyone else toward
your uninsured health care, and it took the contributions of many insured
people paying taxes to cover *your* bills.


No..Im sure Eddie boi didnt. But then...he really doesnt
care..Leftwingers never care about anyone but themselves or their
fellow Leftwingers...and they only care about their fellow
leftwingers..because everyone else hates them...or pities them.

Gunner

Not having a rational argument to explain your hypocritical stance, you
accuse everyone who you can't answer of being a "leftwinger." You've
overplayed that excuse, Gunner. The fact is, you owe your life to a
decidedly leftist program that uses general tax money to pay the medical
bills for the uninsured. Then you berate the leftists who saved your life.
You laugh at them, accuse them of all sorts of immorality, and call them
fools.

If one wanted to be objective about it, and forget the humanist issues, you
could say the most foolish thing they do is to keep people like you alive.
You sure as hell can't do it without their help, and your positions would
make it difficult for anyone else to get the same benefit that you got.

You're part of the problem, including the big problem we have right now with
health care costs.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:

The state dictated that you had to be cared for. Then it paid your bill, to
which you make a token upon a token of payment, probably not keeping up with
the interest on the interest.

Im making regular payments to the County on my bill.

Good for you. In another 100 years or so, you'll only only a couple of
million.

Which of course is more than Eddies favorite Illegal Aliens do.

I never had one of those.

Did Eddie mention that particular medical bill was the only state aid
Ive ever received? In 57 yrs and having provided several years of
military service. And having paid emmense taxes both state and feral
over the years. I live in California...enough said on that ......

You don't seem to get it, Gunner. As I've said many times, I'm in favor of
the support that was provided to you. Keeping people alive, even at the
expense of the rest of us, is a mark of a civilized society.

But you didn't pay for your own health care. You can't say "put my taxes
aside -- don't charge me for defense, or SS, or the public education that
*I* got because someone else once paid taxes. Just apply it all toward my
own future medical bills." You paid the same amount as everyone else toward
your uninsured health care, and it took the contributions of many insured
people paying taxes to cover *your* bills.




Not having a rational argument to explain your hypocritical stance, you
accuse everyone who you can't answer of being a "leftwinger." You've
overplayed that excuse, Gunner. The fact is, you owe your life to a
decidedly leftist program that uses general tax money to pay the medical
bills for the uninsured. Then you berate the leftists who saved your life.
You laugh at them, accuse them of all sorts of immorality, and call them
fools.

If one wanted to be objective about it, and forget the humanist issues, you
could say the most foolish thing they do is to keep people like you alive.
You sure as hell can't do it without their help, and your positions would
make it difficult for anyone else to get the same benefit that you got.

You're part of the problem, including the big problem we have right now with
health care costs.


He gotcha by the short and curlys there, Gunner...


--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress

"Doug Miller" wrote in message ...

In article , "RogerN"
wrote:
"Paul K. Dickman" wrote in message
...
That's why they have a contest by mail option.
Write up a concise, coherent, explanation of your case and include a
photo
of your car and a copy of the registration.and mail it in.
Somebody just wrote down the wrong license number.
It used to be better when only cops gave out tickets. Now the have roving
"revenuers" .
Unlike cops, they have no career path to screw up by making mistakes.

Paul K. Dickman

When a police officer writes me a ticket, his name is on it. I would like
the name of the person responsible for me being ticketed with a car that
hasn't been within 250 miles of Chicago since I have owned it. I'm very
sick and tired of the having to pay for other peoples incompetence, their
careless mistake is making problems for me, I want to make problems for
them.

Life is too short to get wrapped around the axle over trivial stuff like
this.
Follow Paul's advice above, then let it go.


Reply:
Actually it is not trivial. If you do not pay the fine or prove you're
innocent, you will not be able to either register the car or sell the car.
I would send them a letter requiring proof. And if no proof is provided,
tell them you will sue in small claims court for your time value and any
costs. State you were not there, and the car is not like you own, but do
require a response, otherwise you will sue. May even get some lawyer to get
a class action going. Most of these tickets these days are not from the
police dept. but from a hired private company.

On Wed, 25 May 2011 23:29:02 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:


I never had one of those.

Did Eddie mention that particular medical bill was the only state aid
Ive ever received? In 57 yrs and having provided several years of
military service. And having paid emmense taxes both state and feral
over the years. I live in California...enough said on that ......

You don't seem to get it, Gunner. As I've said many times, I'm in favor of
the support that was provided to you. Keeping people alive, even at the
expense of the rest of us, is a mark of a civilized society.

But you didn't pay for your own health care. You can't say "put my taxes
aside -- don't charge me for defense, or SS, or the public education that
*I* got because someone else once paid taxes. Just apply it all toward my
own future medical bills." You paid the same amount as everyone else toward
your uninsured health care, and it took the contributions of many insured
people paying taxes to cover *your* bills.




Not having a rational argument to explain your hypocritical stance, you
accuse everyone who you can't answer of being a "leftwinger." You've
overplayed that excuse, Gunner. The fact is, you owe your life to a
decidedly leftist program that uses general tax money to pay the medical
bills for the uninsured. Then you berate the leftists who saved your life.
You laugh at them, accuse them of all sorts of immorality, and call them
fools.

If one wanted to be objective about it, and forget the humanist issues, you
could say the most foolish thing they do is to keep people like you alive.
You sure as hell can't do it without their help, and your positions would
make it difficult for anyone else to get the same benefit that you got.

You're part of the problem, including the big problem we have right now with
health care costs.


He gotcha by the short and curlys there, Gunner...


Actually...no he doesnt. I had health care insurance for a number of
years prior to October 2007, when things started to slow down and I
had to drop it.

In November..I went to a heart specialist..Bakersfield Heart Hosptial
with chest discomfort. They checked me...took them 37 minutes timed.

Told me I had bronchites and sent me a bill for $18,000

When I was home recovering from the bypass..they called wanting their
money. I told them they would get paid from the proceeds from my
lawsuit. What lawsuit they asked? I said the one Im levying against
you for misdiagnosis 3 months before. Long pause....then they asked
questions..and I answered them. They thanked me and hung up.

5 days later..I get a notice that all bills levied against me were
canceled. I never did respond back to them.

The hospital that did my bypass canceled their bill too....seems they
botched the surgery and had to redo some of their work the next day.
And the stroke I suffered as a result...which they didnt do anything
about..turned me out onto the street in a fog....

The lawyers were a bit....nasty with them from what I understand. So
they dropped the bill utterly.

It was only the bill for sitting on my ass for 5 days..2 medications
via IV and monitoring over the weekend....that got me the bill for
$185k. And thats the one Im sending them $50 a month for. The one
they took a lien on my house. So if I sell my $50k dwelling...they
take all the cash and put it against the $185k. Shrug

So Ive paid..or had my insurance paid for me most of my adult
life..with a few blank spots..I cant remember
why...stroke...shrug....via work or my own pocket and I took a hit
when I was without.

Shrug

Tough ****.

As I mentioned...with 25 million illegal aliens sucking off the
system..doesnt bother me a bit that I got "free" medical care.

Crom knows Ive paid enough for it over the years and received none of
it.

Guys dont like it? Cry me a river. Ill sleep well tonight.

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

CaveLamb wrote:
CaveLamb wrote:
Whatever...

I just talked to my local constituent representative person about the
TSA verses Texas patdown showdown...

I'm all for the showdown.

Because I see what TSA does in airports as unreasonable search and
seizure. (I'm guessing that's a 4th Amendment thing? But maybe you guys
know better?)

NOWHERE else in the world puts up with this (*&@$).

Anyway, what I got from her was a chuckle and a nod.
So I guess we'll be reading more about this soon?

Except maybe Orange County, Californiastan...

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/po...ant-court.html

Yeah, apparently the OC Register is the only paper with balls enough to
print this kind of "unpatriotic" politically incorrect information, while
the rest of the useful idiots blithely go along voting for their marxist
representatives.

Thanks,
Rich

"Rich Grise" wrote in message
...
CaveLamb wrote:
CaveLamb wrote:
Whatever...

I just talked to my local constituent representative person about the
TSA verses Texas patdown showdown...

I'm all for the showdown.

Because I see what TSA does in airports as unreasonable search and
seizure. (I'm guessing that's a 4th Amendment thing? But maybe you guys
know better?)

NOWHERE else in the world puts up with this (*&@$).

Anyway, what I got from her was a chuckle and a nod.
So I guess we'll be reading more about this soon?

Except maybe Orange County, Californiastan...

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/po...ant-court.html

Yeah, apparently the OC Register is the only paper with balls enough to
print this kind of "unpatriotic" politically incorrect information, while
the rest of the useful idiots blithely go along voting for their marxist
representatives.

Thanks,
Rich

You still don't understand who appointed the justices that wrote that
opinion?

In article , Rich Grise wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article , Rich Grise
CaveLamb wrote:

With so many people, each with his or her own ideas of how
things should be, many of them contradictory, I'm beginning
to think the system doesn't have a chance of working...

That's exactly what the Libertarians have been trying to tell you people
for decades!

We need to get rid of all that expensive ridiculous government and give
Liberty a try for a change. According to the Constitution of the United
States, the government is supposed to consist of:

.. One President
.. One Vice President
.. One Hundred Senators
.. 435 Representatives (at the moment)
.. Nine Supreme Court Justices.

And that's all it should take!

Sigh. Yet *another* person pontificating about the Constitution, without
having taken the time and trouble to actually read and understand it.

Well, your first statement is not only not true, but comes with the tone
of one who wishes to insult me rather than address actual issues, therefore,
your opinion has no value.

Rich, this isn't a matter of opinion. It is a matter of objective fact that
the Constitution explicitly provides for more than just the 546 officials you
name. If you had read it, you would know this.

"RogerN" wrote in message
m...
"Stuart Wheaton" wrote in message
...
On 5/25/2011 7:02 PM, RogerN wrote:
snip
Did you see the picture?
http://apw.imageenforcement.com/chic...4%20141946.JPG
Can you make out the license plate? Does it look like a 96 white Honda
Civic LX? So why did I get the ticket? Why do I have to prove my
innocence
instead of the accuser having to prove my guilt?

RogerN



For God's sake Roger, some poor shlub back in the office misread an O for
a D or hit the 5 when she went for the 8, Send them a note, quit acting
like you are the only person who has ever been rained on and grow up!

Can you read ANY number or letter on the license plate in the picture? I
can't so how did they get my or any number from that picture? Since there
is no legible number in that picture, how can they send out any fines
based on that? I don't think I'm the only one, it appears the be a very
common occurrence, that's the problem. I think they expect some to pay
and expect nobody to make a big deal out of it, their scam works because
of people like you that let it work.

My license registration sticker was renewed recently, it expired last
December. I plan to get this car repaired soon so I got the license
registration sticker. I would guess that they somehow got my license
number from my recent registration perhaps through DOT, that's probably
how their scam works.

RogerN


I think in Illinois, the registration is not needed if only operated on
private property.

But Du Quoin municipal code says:
29-3-12 MOTOR VEHICLES. Except as provided for in other regulations, no
inoperative or unlicensed motor vehicle shall be parked, kept or stored on
any premises

If getting a ticket by mistake sets you off, I'd hate to see you run into
the Paint chip police.

With them, you are not just guilty until proved innocent but.
29-1-38 Each day that a violation continues after due notice has been served
shall be deemed a separate offense.



Paul K. Dickman

ATP wrote:
"Rich Grise" wrote in message
CaveLamb wrote:

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/po...ant-court.html

Yeah, apparently the OC Register is the only paper with balls enough to
print this kind of "unpatriotic" politically incorrect information, while
the rest of the useful idiots blithely go along voting for their marxist
representatives.

You still don't understand who appointed the justices that wrote that
opinion?

Well, Dubya appointed some, and Hussein appointed others - All of which
seem to think that the Constitution is so much toilet paper.

It kinda sickens me to see the Senate rubber-stamping such traitors.

Thanks,
Rich

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 May 2011 23:29:02 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:


I never had one of those.

Did Eddie mention that particular medical bill was the only state aid
Ive ever received? In 57 yrs and having provided several years of
military service. And having paid emmense taxes both state and feral
over the years. I live in California...enough said on that ......

You don't seem to get it, Gunner. As I've said many times, I'm in favor
of
the support that was provided to you. Keeping people alive, even at the
expense of the rest of us, is a mark of a civilized society.

But you didn't pay for your own health care. You can't say "put my taxes
aside -- don't charge me for defense, or SS, or the public education
that
*I* got because someone else once paid taxes. Just apply it all toward
my
own future medical bills." You paid the same amount as everyone else
toward
your uninsured health care, and it took the contributions of many
insured
people paying taxes to cover *your* bills.




Not having a rational argument to explain your hypocritical stance, you
accuse everyone who you can't answer of being a "leftwinger." You've
overplayed that excuse, Gunner. The fact is, you owe your life to a
decidedly leftist program that uses general tax money to pay the medical
bills for the uninsured. Then you berate the leftists who saved your
life.
You laugh at them, accuse them of all sorts of immorality, and call them
fools.

If one wanted to be objective about it, and forget the humanist issues,
you
could say the most foolish thing they do is to keep people like you
alive.
You sure as hell can't do it without their help, and your positions
would
make it difficult for anyone else to get the same benefit that you got.

You're part of the problem, including the big problem we have right now
with
health care costs.


He gotcha by the short and curlys there, Gunner...


Actually...no he doesnt. I had health care insurance for a number of
years prior to October 2007, when things started to slow down and I
had to drop it.

In November..I went to a heart specialist..Bakersfield Heart Hosptial
with chest discomfort. They checked me...took them 37 minutes timed.

Told me I had bronchites and sent me a bill for $18,000

When I was home recovering from the bypass..they called wanting their
money. I told them they would get paid from the proceeds from my
lawsuit. What lawsuit they asked? I said the one Im levying against
you for misdiagnosis 3 months before. Long pause....then they asked
questions..and I answered them. They thanked me and hung up.

5 days later..I get a notice that all bills levied against me were
canceled. I never did respond back to them.

The hospital that did my bypass canceled their bill too....seems they
botched the surgery and had to redo some of their work the next day.
And the stroke I suffered as a result...which they didnt do anything
about..turned me out onto the street in a fog....

The lawyers were a bit....nasty with them from what I understand. So
they dropped the bill utterly.

It was only the bill for sitting on my ass for 5 days..2 medications
via IV and monitoring over the weekend....that got me the bill for
$185k. And thats the one Im sending them $50 a month for. The one
they took a lien on my house. So if I sell my $50k dwelling...they
take all the cash and put it against the $185k. Shrug

So Ive paid..or had my insurance paid for me most of my adult
life..with a few blank spots..I cant remember
why...stroke...shrug....via work or my own pocket and I took a hit
when I was without.

Shrug

Tough ****.

As I mentioned...with 25 million illegal aliens sucking off the
system..doesnt bother me a bit that I got "free" medical care.

Crom knows Ive paid enough for it over the years and received none of
it.

Guys dont like it? Cry me a river. Ill sleep well tonight.

Gunner

Man, that story gets more elaborate with each re-telling. Next time around,
Gunner will have won a $1 million out-of-court settlement and then
contributed the whole amount to the Vietnam Vets Memorial Fund -- in the
assumed name he plucked off of a gravestone, of course. Which will explain
why his hospital bills still aren't paid...

Gunner, I'm not going to embarrass you again with the collection of posts,
dating from 2001 and averaging every two years thereafter, in which you
explain that you can't afford health insurance, with a running tally of
bills that started at $27,000 and was added to periodically, the last one
being an additional $225,000 in 2009. And I'm not going to ask where the
"lawyers" came from if they weren't working on contingency, in which case
the suit or the high likelihood of a large cash settlement would have been
part of their requirement to take your case. They don't work for forgiven
bills and no income -- especially lawyers plural.

That really isn't the point. Neither are the whoppers you tell to justify
your behavior, nor your excuses for not following through with claiming your
VA benefits (the process for making a claim under your assumed name has been
pointed out to you before; if you don't have a DD-214, call your regional VA
office and they'll help you file a "correction" request and a SF-180 to get
a copy of your DD-214). The whoppers at least provide some humor.

What *is* the point is your obnoxious habit of blaming other people for your
mistakes and misfortunes, lumping together everyone who doesn't buy your
phony arguments and b.s. logic as "liberals," or worse. They're your
boogeymen -- yet they're the ones who pushed for the programs that have kept
you alive. It isn't the whoppers, or your unwillingness to help yourself, or
even saddling the taxpayer with your health care costs that's obnoxious.
It's the self-righteous self-justifications, accompanied by your attacks on
anyone who doesn't buy into your bottom-feeder arguments.

You aren't doing yourself any good by lumping yourself in with the
"illegals" who you see as the parasites that are sucking your blood. You've
sucked up plenty of it yourself. And the bottom-feeder argument that you've
"paid plenty of taxes," as if you've even begun to cover the cost of your
own health care, or that you aren't responsible for things like national
defense, police, a criminal justice system or any of the other benefits that
keep this society rolling, is only accepted by white trash. You know better.

Some people have bad luck, and some make their own bad luck -- neither one
is justification for withholding life-saving medical care or some other
safety-net supports. I don't begrudge the things you've gotten. But don't
expect me to watch your attacks on your selected scapegoats while you take
their assistance behind your back. And that includes your trashy attacks
upon me.

--
Ed Huntress

Lewis Hartswick wrote:

Dave, I can't do that wrote:
? Don't get so excited about exacting some revenge or culpability.
?
? Do some research first.
?
? Here are a few starters for you...
? Check that the phone number is for the City of Chicago (COC).
? Check that the address to mail the payment is for the City of Chicago.
? Go to the address and ask some questions.
? Tickets will have the employee number-code for who wrote it up. Check
? with the COC that it is a valid number for a real person.
? Check with the COC that it is a valid outstanding ticket number.
? People can recreate any documents on a PC these days.
? As has been suggested, write them a letter, but make sure it is a COC
? address and department.
?
? I could go on and on, but I am lazier than you.
?
? Dave
?
?

I was wondering about the e-mail addr. of that from the very
first post. I would think the city of Chicago would have
a .gov not a .org addr. I know our city of Albuquerque and
Santa Fe have a .gov addr.
So I suspect it's a scam.
...lew...


The cops around here have .com domain names.


--
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.

"Paul K. Dickman" wrote in message
...

"RogerN" wrote in message
m...
"Stuart Wheaton" wrote in message
...
On 5/25/2011 7:02 PM, RogerN wrote:
snip
Did you see the picture?
http://apw.imageenforcement.com/chic...4%20141946.JPG
Can you make out the license plate? Does it look like a 96 white Honda
Civic LX? So why did I get the ticket? Why do I have to prove my
innocence
instead of the accuser having to prove my guilt?

RogerN



For God's sake Roger, some poor shlub back in the office misread an O
for a D or hit the 5 when she went for the 8, Send them a note, quit
acting like you are the only person who has ever been rained on and grow
up!

Can you read ANY number or letter on the license plate in the picture? I
can't so how did they get my or any number from that picture? Since
there is no legible number in that picture, how can they send out any
fines based on that? I don't think I'm the only one, it appears the be a
very common occurrence, that's the problem. I think they expect some to
pay and expect nobody to make a big deal out of it, their scam works
because of people like you that let it work.

My license registration sticker was renewed recently, it expired last
December. I plan to get this car repaired soon so I got the license
registration sticker. I would guess that they somehow got my license
number from my recent registration perhaps through DOT, that's probably
how their scam works.

RogerN


I think in Illinois, the registration is not needed if only operated on
private property.

But Du Quoin municipal code says:
29-3-12 MOTOR VEHICLES. Except as provided for in other regulations, no
inoperative or unlicensed motor vehicle shall be parked, kept or stored on
any premises

If getting a ticket by mistake sets you off, I'd hate to see you run into
the Paint chip police.

With them, you are not just guilty until proved innocent but.
29-1-38 Each day that a violation continues after due notice has been
served shall be deemed a separate offense.



Paul K. Dickman


I don't think it applies out of the city limits, or at least they don't
enforce it. The only police that respond in my area are State Police or
County Sheriff's office. However, if I did get a ticket here at least it
would be for my vehicle. What sets me off is that they send me a fine, no
proof, no evidence, when I and my vehicle were hundreds of miles away.

RogerN

On 5/26/2011 7:13 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
In , Rich wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In , Rich Grise
CaveLamb wrote:

With so many people, each with his or her own ideas of how
things should be, many of them contradictory, I'm beginning
to think the system doesn't have a chance of working...

That's exactly what the Libertarians have been trying to tell you people
for decades!

We need to get rid of all that expensive ridiculous government and give
Liberty a try for a change. According to the Constitution of the United
States, the government is supposed to consist of:

.. One President
.. One Vice President
.. One Hundred Senators
.. 435 Representatives (at the moment)
.. Nine Supreme Court Justices.

And that's all it should take!

Sigh. Yet *another* person pontificating about the Constitution, without
having taken the time and trouble to actually read and understand it.

Well, your first statement is not only not true, but comes with the tone
of one who wishes to insult me rather than address actual issues, therefore,
your opinion has no value.

Rich, this isn't a matter of opinion. It is a matter of objective fact that
the Constitution explicitly provides for more than just the 546 officials you
name. If you had read it, you would know this.

IIRC, the SCOTUS didn't have nine members until FDR packed the court.

David

"David R. Birch" wrote in message
...
On 5/26/2011 7:13 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
In , Rich
wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In , Rich Grise
CaveLamb wrote:

With so many people, each with his or her own ideas of how
things should be, many of them contradictory, I'm beginning
to think the system doesn't have a chance of working...

That's exactly what the Libertarians have been trying to tell you
people
for decades!

We need to get rid of all that expensive ridiculous government and
give
Liberty a try for a change. According to the Constitution of the
United
States, the government is supposed to consist of:

.. One President
.. One Vice President
.. One Hundred Senators
.. 435 Representatives (at the moment)
.. Nine Supreme Court Justices.

And that's all it should take!

Sigh. Yet *another* person pontificating about the Constitution,
without
having taken the time and trouble to actually read and understand it.

Well, your first statement is not only not true, but comes with the tone
of one who wishes to insult me rather than address actual issues,
therefore,
your opinion has no value.

Rich, this isn't a matter of opinion. It is a matter of objective fact
that
the Constitution explicitly provides for more than just the 546 officials
you
name. If you had read it, you would know this.

IIRC, the SCOTUS didn't have nine members until FDR packed the court.

David

The Supreme Court has had nine members since 1869 (it had ten for a while,
earlier). FDR did not succeed in packing the Court. The legislation to do so
was never passed.

--
Ed Huntress

In article , "RogerN" wrote:

What sets me off is that they send me a fine, no
proof, no evidence, when I and my vehicle were hundreds of miles away.

So write and tell them so, enclosing a copy of your registration. Then just
Let. It. Go.

Had your blood pressure checked lately?

In article , "David R. Birch" wrote:
On 5/26/2011 7:13 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
In , Rich
wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In , Rich Grise
CaveLamb wrote:

With so many people, each with his or her own ideas of how
things should be, many of them contradictory, I'm beginning
to think the system doesn't have a chance of working...

That's exactly what the Libertarians have been trying to tell you people
for decades!

We need to get rid of all that expensive ridiculous government and give
Liberty a try for a change. According to the Constitution of the United
States, the government is supposed to consist of:

.. One President
.. One Vice President
.. One Hundred Senators
.. 435 Representatives (at the moment)
.. Nine Supreme Court Justices.

And that's all it should take!

Sigh. Yet *another* person pontificating about the Constitution, without
having taken the time and trouble to actually read and understand it.

Well, your first statement is not only not true, but comes with the tone
of one who wishes to insult me rather than address actual issues, therefore,
your opinion has no value.

Rich, this isn't a matter of opinion. It is a matter of objective fact that
the Constitution explicitly provides for more than just the 546 officials you
name. If you had read it, you would know this.

IIRC, the SCOTUS didn't have nine members until FDR packed the court.

Right, the Constitution doesn't specify how many members the court shall have
(another thing that Rich got wrong).

"David R. Birch" on Thu, 26 May 2011 22:44:51 -0500
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Rich, this isn't a matter of opinion. It is a matter of objective fact that
the Constitution explicitly provides for more than just the 546 officials you
name. If you had read it, you would know this.

IIRC, the SCOTUS didn't have nine members until FDR packed the court.

The Supreme Court started with six, at one point was ten, but
since 1869 has had nine members. FDR wanted to add an "adjunct" judge
for every Judge over 70. Ostensibly to help with the work load, the
reality was a desire to "pack the court" with progressive forward
thinking judges who would find the New Deal legislature to be
constructional.
The scheme failed, but FDR got his majority over the next few
years. And we've been stuck with the results ever since.


tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Doug Miller wrote:
In article , Rich Grise
Doug Miller wrote:
In article , Rich Grise
(fedgov)
And that's all it should take!

Sigh. Yet *another* person pontificating about the Constitution, without
having taken the time and trouble to actually read and understand it.

Well, your first statement is not only not true, but comes with the tone
of one who wishes to insult me rather than address actual issues,
therefore, your opinion has no value.

Rich, this isn't a matter of opinion. It is a matter of objective fact
that the Constitution explicitly provides for more than just the 546
officials you name. If you had read it, you would know this.

Please show me. Unless, of course, you're talking about the military,
which is supposed to be the Militia, which is every able-bodied adult
citizen, to be used in times of overt attack.
(Article II, Section 2)

But which is the "you can hire a million unelected bureaucrats" clause?

Thanks,
Rich

On Thu, 26 May 2011 00:41:20 -0700, Rich Grise
wrote:

CaveLamb wrote:
CaveLamb wrote:
Whatever...

I just talked to my local constituent representative person about the
TSA verses Texas patdown showdown...

I'm all for the showdown.

Because I see what TSA does in airports as unreasonable search and
seizure. (I'm guessing that's a 4th Amendment thing? But maybe you guys
know better?)

NOWHERE else in the world puts up with this (*&@$).

Anyway, what I got from her was a chuckle and a nod.
So I guess we'll be reading more about this soon?

Except maybe Orange County, Californiastan...

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/po...ant-court.html

Yeah, apparently the OC Register is the only paper with balls enough to
print this kind of "unpatriotic" politically incorrect information, while
the rest of the useful idiots blithely go along voting for their marxist
representatives.

Thanks,
Rich

OC has an interesting mix of voters as well. A significant number of
them being from countries that were/are totalitarian and those people
came to America in the last 40 yrs to find freedom..and are not shy
about it...or shy about denouncing
Leftism/Socialism/Progressiveism/Marxism..which are all shades of the
same bilious hue.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Wed, 25 May 2011 20:12:09 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:


This is Chicago, not Pinckneyville. They write more tickets each day than
there are people in Du Quoin.
This one fell through the cracks.

So widespread fraud and illegal tactics are "just part of doing
business"???


One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

In article , Rich Grise wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article , Rich Grise
Doug Miller wrote:
In article , Rich Grise
(fedgov)
And that's all it should take!

Sigh. Yet *another* person pontificating about the Constitution, without
having taken the time and trouble to actually read and understand it.

Well, your first statement is not only not true, but comes with the tone
of one who wishes to insult me rather than address actual issues,
therefore, your opinion has no value.

Rich, this isn't a matter of opinion. It is a matter of objective fact
that the Constitution explicitly provides for more than just the 546
officials you name. If you had read it, you would know this.

Please show me.

I already did -- but of course, you snipped the extensive quotes I supplied,
so that you can now pretend that this is something that I made up.

Here's just one. It's up to you to find the rest in my original response to
you.

"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United
States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual
Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the
principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject
relating to the Duties of their respective Offices..." [Article II, Section 2,
first paragraph]

There are a few other things you got wrong, too:
- You said the Constitution specifies 100 Senators; it doesn't
- You said the Constitution specifies 435 Representatives; it doesn't
- You said the Constitution specifies 9 justices of the Supreme Court; it
doesn't

Unless, of course, you're talking about the military,
which is supposed to be the Militia, which is every able-bodied adult
citizen, to be used in times of overt attack.
(Article II, Section 2)

As noted above, I'm talking about the *numerous* places already cited in which
the Constitution refers to "Departments" and the "Officers" thereof, having
nothing to do with the militia or the regular military services. You clearly
didn't read my post any more carefully than you've read the Constitution.

But which is the "you can hire a million unelected bureaucrats" clause?

Perhaps you're thinking of the last paragraph of Article I, Section 8.

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 May 2011 20:12:09 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:


This is Chicago, not Pinckneyville. They write more tickets each day than
there are people in Du Quoin.
This one fell through the cracks.

So widespread fraud and illegal tactics are "just part of doing
business"???


What fraud?
How is can one mistyped plate number be considered widespread?
I see no tactics at all, let alone any illegal ones.
Did you even read the thread?

Paul K. Dickman

On 5/27/2011 3:17 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2011 20:12:09 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:


This is Chicago, not Pinckneyville. They write more tickets each day than
there are people in Du Quoin.
This one fell through the cracks.

So widespread fraud and illegal tactics are "just part of doing
business"???

Well, yeah, we're talking Chicago, aren't we?

David

On Fri, 27 May 2011 15:42:19 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 25 May 2011 20:12:09 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:


This is Chicago, not Pinckneyville. They write more tickets each day than
there are people in Du Quoin.
This one fell through the cracks.

So widespread fraud and illegal tactics are "just part of doing
business"???


What fraud?
How is can one mistyped plate number be considered widespread?
I see no tactics at all, let alone any illegal ones.
Did you even read the thread?

Paul K. Dickman


No plate number is visible. The color of the vehicle is totally
different. Is the vehicle even the same model?

Did you miss those first two items? How did they get a plate number
from a totally unreadable plate and transfer it to a vehicle a very
great distance away? And then ignore the color?

Thats not a "mistake"..but utter fraud.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article , "RogerN"
wrote:

What sets me off is that they send me a fine, no
proof, no evidence, when I and my vehicle were hundreds of miles away.

So write and tell them so, enclosing a copy of your registration. Then
just
Let. It. Go.

Had your blood pressure checked lately?

I think the problem is that is what most people do, so, they send fines to
anybody they choose, some pay, others let it go, they get away with their
bull****. My plan is to find the person responsible and cause their
bull**** to be their worst nightmare, hoping they will cut the crap. I'm
not necessarily talking about the individual that made the "mistake", but
perhaps their boss that set a ticket quota for them and hired them to raise
Chicago revenue by sending bogus tickets. That is the piece of **** I want
to see pay.

RogerN

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 May 2011 15:42:19 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:

snip
What fraud?
How is can one mistyped plate number be considered widespread?
I see no tactics at all, let alone any illegal ones.
Did you even read the thread?

Paul K. Dickman


No plate number is visible. The color of the vehicle is totally
different. Is the vehicle even the same model?

Did you miss those first two items? How did they get a plate number
from a totally unreadable plate and transfer it to a vehicle a very
great distance away? And then ignore the color?

Thats not a "mistake"..but utter fraud.

Gunner


I very much appreciate Paul's advice but what you said along with the person
that answers the phone at the DuQuoin State Police office and my mother in
law having the exact same problem, a ticket when their vehicle wasn't near
Chicago, it sounds like fraud to me.

If Chicago can't competently write one parking ticket per day then they
shouldn't write one parking ticket per day. It doesn't matter how big they
are, if they aren't big enough to do their job correctly they should be
fired and replaced. I'm tired of taxpayers paying salary and benefits to
idiots that don't have enough brains to be able to serve cheeseburgers
through a drive through window.

RogerN

In article , "RogerN" wrote:
"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article , "RogerN"
wrote:

What sets me off is that they send me a fine, no
proof, no evidence, when I and my vehicle were hundreds of miles away.

So write and tell them so, enclosing a copy of your registration. Then
just
Let. It. Go.

Had your blood pressure checked lately?

I think the problem is that is what most people do, so, they send fines to
anybody they choose, some pay, others let it go, they get away with their
bull****. My plan is to find the person responsible and cause their
bull**** to be their worst nightmare, hoping they will cut the crap. I'm
not necessarily talking about the individual that made the "mistake", but
perhaps their boss that set a ticket quota for them and hired them to raise
Chicago revenue by sending bogus tickets. That is the piece of **** I want
to see pay.

You seem like a very angry man. I was completely serious when I asked if
you've had your blood pressure checked recently: you sound like you're a
candidate for a stroke. Hypertension has no symptoms. And it can be deadly.

Write and tell them they have the wrong car. Then leave it be.

"RogerN" wrote in message
...
"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article , "RogerN"
wrote:

What sets me off is that they send me a fine, no
proof, no evidence, when I and my vehicle were hundreds of miles away.

So write and tell them so, enclosing a copy of your registration. Then
just
Let. It. Go.

Had your blood pressure checked lately?

I think the problem is that is what most people do, so, they send fines to
anybody they choose, some pay, others let it go, they get away with their
bull****. My plan is to find the person responsible and cause their
bull**** to be their worst nightmare, hoping they will cut the crap. I'm
not necessarily talking about the individual that made the "mistake", but
perhaps their boss that set a ticket quota for them and hired them to
raise Chicago revenue by sending bogus tickets. That is the piece of ****
I want to see pay.

RogerN

Try that special six pack on him......

On 5/27/2011 7:10 PM, RogerN wrote:
"Doug wrote in message
...
In articlexpadnckLQ9BYeEPQnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@earthlink .com, "RogerN"
wrote:

What sets me off is that they send me a fine, no
proof, no evidence, when I and my vehicle were hundreds of miles away.

So write and tell them so, enclosing a copy of your registration. Then
just
Let. It. Go.

Had your blood pressure checked lately?

I think the problem is that is what most people do, so, they send fines to
anybody they choose, some pay, others let it go, they get away with their
bull****. My plan is to find the person responsible and cause their
bull**** to be their worst nightmare, hoping they will cut the crap. I'm
not necessarily talking about the individual that made the "mistake", but
perhaps their boss that set a ticket quota for them and hired them to raise
Chicago revenue by sending bogus tickets. That is the piece of **** I want
to see pay.

RogerN



Roger, just so you know, Don Quixote is not a documentary, but go have a
run at that windmill, just beware that there is a blade behind the one
you stuck your broom handle into.

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 May 2011 15:42:19 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 25 May 2011 20:12:09 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:


This is Chicago, not Pinckneyville. They write more tickets each day
than
there are people in Du Quoin.
This one fell through the cracks.

So widespread fraud and illegal tactics are "just part of doing
business"???


What fraud?
How is can one mistyped plate number be considered widespread?
I see no tactics at all, let alone any illegal ones.
Did you even read the thread?

Paul K. Dickman


No plate number is visible. The color of the vehicle is totally
different. Is the vehicle even the same model?

Did you miss those first two items? How did they get a plate number
from a totally unreadable plate and transfer it to a vehicle a very
great distance away? And then ignore the color?

Thats not a "mistake"..but utter fraud.

Gunner


It's not a redlight ticket, you moron.
No one claimed it was a photo of his plates.
Somebody had stand there and write down the license number.

Of course back in Gunner's years as an LEO, he would always drive out to the
offenders house and double check the vin before he handed out any parking
tickets parking ticket.

I imagine that's why he is an "ex" LEO.

Paul K. Dickman

"Paul K. Dickman" wrote in message
...

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 May 2011 15:42:19 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 May 2011 20:12:09 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:


This is Chicago, not Pinckneyville. They write more tickets each day
than
there are people in Du Quoin.
This one fell through the cracks.

So widespread fraud and illegal tactics are "just part of doing
business"???


What fraud?
How is can one mistyped plate number be considered widespread?
I see no tactics at all, let alone any illegal ones.
Did you even read the thread?

Paul K. Dickman


No plate number is visible. The color of the vehicle is totally
different. Is the vehicle even the same model?

Did you miss those first two items? How did they get a plate number
from a totally unreadable plate and transfer it to a vehicle a very
great distance away? And then ignore the color?

Thats not a "mistake"..but utter fraud.

Gunner


It's not a redlight ticket, you moron.
No one claimed it was a photo of his plates.
Somebody had stand there and write down the license number.

Of course back in Gunner's years as an LEO, he would always drive out to
the offenders house and double check the vin before he handed out any
parking tickets parking ticket.

I imagine that's why he is an "ex" LEO.

Paul K. Dickman

If it wasn't automated, why didn't they just write the ticket and stick it
on the car like they used to? I really don't see the point of a picture and
mailing the ticket unless it was an automated camera process. But, even
from the picture I can't tell if the car is parked or just driving by.

RogerN

On Fri, 27 May 2011 21:58:41 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 27 May 2011 15:42:19 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 May 2011 20:12:09 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
wrote:


This is Chicago, not Pinckneyville. They write more tickets each day
than
there are people in Du Quoin.
This one fell through the cracks.

So widespread fraud and illegal tactics are "just part of doing
business"???


What fraud?
How is can one mistyped plate number be considered widespread?
I see no tactics at all, let alone any illegal ones.
Did you even read the thread?

Paul K. Dickman


No plate number is visible. The color of the vehicle is totally
different. Is the vehicle even the same model?

Did you miss those first two items? How did they get a plate number
from a totally unreadable plate and transfer it to a vehicle a very
great distance away? And then ignore the color?

Thats not a "mistake"..but utter fraud.

Gunner


It's not a redlight ticket, you moron.
No one claimed it was a photo of his plates.
Somebody had stand there and write down the license number.

And they got it totally wrong. Along with the color of the vehicle. 2
solid strikes against the writer.

Of course back in Gunner's years as an LEO, he would always drive out to the
offenders house and double check the vin before he handed out any parking
tickets parking ticket.

I never wrote a parking ticket. I did write a number of them for expired
registration...more than 60 days after expiration, "incorrect" or
expired plates..again my standard was 60 days or longer..etc etc and
then..then only as a stick to the head of some stupid dumb**** who
needed a sharp slap in the head for being a dick.

I even impounded a few vehicles for things like...no windshields, no
lights at the rear..being driven by someone with no drivers license, no
insurance and expired tags and other dumb**** behavior.

I imagine that's why he is an "ex" LEO.
]
Actually...no Paul..I resigned from my job..because I was running into
far far too many bad cops pulling utter **** on the People.

8 months after I pulled the pin..the FBI came in, and basically shut
that sherriffs department down for over a month..and a bunch..bunch of
my "fellow" cops went to jail..or down the road. And I was asked to
testify against a number of them. They deserved to get the ax ..and
hard. And they damned well did.

Which is WHY I tend to be hard on such buffoonery as the ticket kiting
bull**** that comes out of an equally corrupt city as Chicago.

Because..Ive seen it up close and personal..and I hated it then..and I
hate it today.

Today the agency is a ****ing model of good law enforcement and will
likely continue to be a damned good agency.

Because the corrupt *******s were used as a lesson that few will forget.
'
If I had sucked it up and stayed with the job..Id have damned near 30
yrs in..and probably would have shot myself somewhere along the
line..simply out of disgust and anger.

Was there any other questions or comments you wished to make?


Paul K. Dickman



One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Fri, 27 May 2011 18:10:50 -0500, "RogerN" wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article , "RogerN"
wrote:

What sets me off is that they send me a fine, no
proof, no evidence, when I and my vehicle were hundreds of miles away.

So write and tell them so, enclosing a copy of your registration. Then
just
Let. It. Go.

Had your blood pressure checked lately?

I think the problem is that is what most people do, so, they send fines to
anybody they choose, some pay, others let it go, they get away with their
bull****. My plan is to find the person responsible and cause their
bull**** to be their worst nightmare, hoping they will cut the crap. I'm
not necessarily talking about the individual that made the "mistake", but
perhaps their boss that set a ticket quota for them and hired them to raise
Chicago revenue by sending bogus tickets. That is the piece of **** I want
to see pay.

RogerN

Indeed! Sic em!!


One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

RogerN wrote:

If it wasn't automated, why didn't they just write the ticket and stick it
on the car like they used to?

Do you have any evidence that they didn't do that?

Did you consider:
somebody may have got the physical paper ticket on that car
and didn't pay in time
(perhaps didn't pay because they noticed the lic# was incorrect)

the letter and picture you received may be SOP for non-payers
Taking a picture of each infraction may help with enforcement
It also may help correct errors.

By the way, what exactly is this parking infraction. It wouldn't happen
to be parking too far from the curb?

"jim" wrote in message
.. .
RogerN wrote:

If it wasn't automated, why didn't they just write the ticket and stick
it
on the car like they used to?

Do you have any evidence that they didn't do that?

Did you consider:
somebody may have got the physical paper ticket on that car
and didn't pay in time
(perhaps didn't pay because they noticed the lic# was incorrect)

the letter and picture you received may be SOP for non-payers
Taking a picture of each infraction may help with enforcement
It also may help correct errors.

By the way, what exactly is this parking infraction. It wouldn't happen
to be parking too far from the curb?

The date was 05/04/11 at 14:20 (my wife and I were both at work at that date
and time, ~300 miles away) the violation description is "Parking/Standing
Prohibited Anytime".

RogerN

"jim" wrote in message
.. .
RogerN wrote:

If it wasn't automated, why didn't they just write the ticket and stick
it
on the car like they used to?

Do you have any evidence that they didn't do that?

Did you consider:
somebody may have got the physical paper ticket on that car
and didn't pay in time
(perhaps didn't pay because they noticed the lic# was incorrect)

the letter and picture you received may be SOP for non-payers
Taking a picture of each infraction may help with enforcement
It also may help correct errors.

That is exactly what happened.

Around here, you get parking tickets from a few different sources.

When a cop writes you a ticket, they still do it longhand in a ticket book.
Their copy goes down to get punched into a computer and another is stuffed
in and envelope and stuck on the car . They don't take any pictures. They
also don't write as many of the tickets as they used to.

As much as I complain about this, it is actually a good thing. They have a
real job to do, and that should take precedence over catching parking
scofflaws.

Another source are Dept of Revenue foot soldiers. They walk around with a
handheld gizmo like the UPS man.

It takes a picture of the violation and probably a gps location and the
human keys in the plate number and violation.

The device spits out a thermal printout that gets stuffed in and envelope
and stuck on the car and then uploads it to the computer.

The third source is Dept of Revenue cavalry. They drive around in vans
bristling with cameras. These will have several pictures of the vehicle
including a plate shot and windshield stickers. They use these mostly for
bulk operations like street cleaning day.

They spit out a thermal printout that gets stuffed in and envelope and stuck
on the car and then upload it to the computer.

If the offender doesn't respond to the ticket in a timely manor, a reminder
is automatically sent to the address associated with the plate number. These
are all based on the number that got written down or typed in.

This is what you got, Roger.

If you look up the ticket on line, you may find the the driver of real car,
has paid it already.

I wouldn't count on that possibility though.

If you want to email me the ticket number, off list, I'll look it up for you
and let you know.

With all this stuff going on, the one shining light, is that they are really
good at reviewing the contest by mail option.

Better than most cities I have been in. I have sent in a hundred of these,
only two were decided against me. Both of those involved a complex argument
that the parking in that manor was not, technically, against the law. On one
of those I just paid the $25 ticket. On the other I appealed in person and
convinced the judge that I was right and that I had just wasted $75 dollars
of the city's time, beating them on a $25 ticket. Now when I contest these
by mail, I always win.

The bottom line is that you need to deal with it.

They do not know that it is a mistake, if you don't tell them. The fines
double with time, and then double some more.

Eventually they label you a deadbeat, and sell the debt to a debt collector.



Paul K. Dickman

I have a 15 year old unpaid parking ticket from Canada, I am now
afraid to go to Canada.

i

On 2011-05-28, Paul K. Dickman wrote:

"jim" wrote in message
.. .
RogerN wrote:

If it wasn't automated, why didn't they just write the ticket and stick
it
on the car like they used to?

Do you have any evidence that they didn't do that?

Did you consider:
somebody may have got the physical paper ticket on that car
and didn't pay in time
(perhaps didn't pay because they noticed the lic# was incorrect)

the letter and picture you received may be SOP for non-payers
Taking a picture of each infraction may help with enforcement
It also may help correct errors.

That is exactly what happened.

Around here, you get parking tickets from a few different sources.

When a cop writes you a ticket, they still do it longhand in a ticket book.
Their copy goes down to get punched into a computer and another is stuffed
in and envelope and stuck on the car . They don't take any pictures. They
also don't write as many of the tickets as they used to.

As much as I complain about this, it is actually a good thing. They have a
real job to do, and that should take precedence over catching parking
scofflaws.

Another source are Dept of Revenue foot soldiers. They walk around with a
handheld gizmo like the UPS man.

It takes a picture of the violation and probably a gps location and the
human keys in the plate number and violation.

The device spits out a thermal printout that gets stuffed in and envelope
and stuck on the car and then uploads it to the computer.

The third source is Dept of Revenue cavalry. They drive around in vans
bristling with cameras. These will have several pictures of the vehicle
including a plate shot and windshield stickers. They use these mostly for
bulk operations like street cleaning day.

They spit out a thermal printout that gets stuffed in and envelope and stuck
on the car and then upload it to the computer.

If the offender doesn't respond to the ticket in a timely manor, a reminder
is automatically sent to the address associated with the plate number. These
are all based on the number that got written down or typed in.

This is what you got, Roger.

If you look up the ticket on line, you may find the the driver of real car,
has paid it already.

I wouldn't count on that possibility though.

If you want to email me the ticket number, off list, I'll look it up for you
and let you know.

With all this stuff going on, the one shining light, is that they are really
good at reviewing the contest by mail option.

Better than most cities I have been in. I have sent in a hundred of these,
only two were decided against me. Both of those involved a complex argument
that the parking in that manor was not, technically, against the law. On one
of those I just paid the $25 ticket. On the other I appealed in person and
convinced the judge that I was right and that I had just wasted $75 dollars
of the city's time, beating them on a $25 ticket. Now when I contest these
by mail, I always win.

The bottom line is that you need to deal with it.

They do not know that it is a mistake, if you don't tell them. The fines
double with time, and then double some more.

Eventually they label you a deadbeat, and sell the debt to a debt collector.



Paul K. Dickman