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Totally OT - Dog, Bee Sting, Reaction
Saturday I took the dog (32 pound Goldendoodle)
for his daily walk and I noticed there were a lot of bees out. I thought I might have heard him yelp at one point. I got him home and he started going nuts, panting, running around in no particular direction and trying to bite his back. After 5 minutes of this I started to get concerned. I looked up the symptoms and they looked like an allergic reaction. The recommended treatments were a trip to the vet or a 25mg Benadryl capsule. I had the Benadryl and gave him one. Within 5 minutes he had settled down and in another 5 minutes he was himself, no worse for the wear. I'm pretty sure he got a bee sting and had an allergic reaction to it. |
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Totally OT - Dog, Bee Sting, Reaction
Jim Stewart wrote:
Saturday I took the dog (32 pound Goldendoodle) for his daily walk and I noticed there were a lot of bees out. I thought I might have heard him yelp at one point. I got him home and he started going nuts, panting, running around in no particular direction and trying to bite his back. After 5 minutes of this I started to get concerned. I looked up the symptoms and they looked like an allergic reaction. The recommended treatments were a trip to the vet or a 25mg Benadryl capsule. I had the Benadryl and gave him one. Within 5 minutes he had settled down and in another 5 minutes he was himself, no worse for the wear. I'm pretty sure he got a bee sting and had an allergic reaction to it. Allergic reaction or not, his trying to bite his back indicates he had an irritation on his back, which would certainly be indicative of a sting. Assuming he did get stung, that would involve local histamine release, which causes a lot of itching, redness, and tenderness. The diphenhydramine you gave him reduces this inflammatory process (it is an anti-histamine after all), and also serves as a calmative, with both effects explaining his resulting behavior. I'm glad fido is back to his normal state. Jon |
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Good thinking. I had never heard about reactions for pets before but it
makes total sense. May want to give him more small doses and watch him over the next few days. Vet will just want to operate... on your wallet Tiger Balm works well for sting site when applied ASAP on humans. ------------------ "Jim Stewart" wrote in message ... Saturday I took the dog (32 pound Goldendoodle) for his daily walk and I noticed there were a lot of bees out. I thought I might have heard him yelp at one point. I got him home and he started going nuts, panting, running around in no particular direction and trying to bite his back. After 5 minutes of this I started to get concerned. I looked up the symptoms and they looked like an allergic reaction. The recommended treatments were a trip to the vet or a 25mg Benadryl capsule. I had the Benadryl and gave him one. Within 5 minutes he had settled down and in another 5 minutes he was himself, no worse for the wear. I'm pretty sure he got a bee sting and had an allergic reaction to it. |
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On May 23, 4:43*pm, "Josepi" wrote:
Good thinking. I had never heard about reactions for pets before but it makes total sense. May want to give him more small doses and watch him over the next few days. *Vet will just want to operate... * *on your wallet Tiger Balm works well for sting site when applied ASAP on humans. ------------------"Jim Stewart" *wrote in ... Meat tenderizer, mix into a paste. Kills the sting. Castile soap kills the resin from poison ivy, or similar plants. |
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MSG? Weird.
--------- "Cross-Slide" wrote in message ... Meat tenderizer, mix into a paste. Kills the sting. Castile soap kills the resin from poison ivy, or similar plants. On May 23, 4:43 pm, "Josepi" wrote: Good thinking. I had never heard about reactions for pets before but it makes total sense. May want to give him more small doses and watch him over the next few days. Vet will just want to operate... on your wallet Tiger Balm works well for sting site when applied ASAP on humans. ------------------"Jim Stewart" wrote in ... |
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Cross-Slide wrote:
On May 23, 4:43 pm, wrote: Good thinking. I had never heard about reactions for pets before but it makes total sense. May want to give him more small doses and watch him over the next few days. Vet will just want to operate... on your wallet Tiger Balm works well for sting site when applied ASAP on humans. ------------------"Jim Stewart" wrote in ... Meat tenderizer, mix into a paste. Kills the sting. Castile soap kills the resin from poison ivy, or similar plants. Interesting. I had a terrible case of poison oak about 30 years ago. Ever since, if I thought I'd been exposed, I'd come home, strip, throw my clothes in the washer and shower good with Dr. Bronner's Castile soap. Never had a problem. |
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On Mon, 23 May 2011 12:28:23 -0700, "chaniarts"
wrote: Jon Danniken wrote: Jim Stewart wrote: Saturday I took the dog (32 pound Goldendoodle) for his daily walk and I noticed there were a lot of bees out. I thought I might have heard him yelp at one point. I got him home and he started going nuts, panting, running around in no particular direction and trying to bite his back. After 5 minutes of this I started to get concerned. I looked up the symptoms and they looked like an allergic reaction. The recommended treatments were a trip to the vet or a 25mg Benadryl capsule. I had the Benadryl and gave him one. Within 5 minutes he had settled down and in another 5 minutes he was himself, no worse for the wear. I'm pretty sure he got a bee sting and had an allergic reaction to it. Allergic reaction or not, his trying to bite his back indicates he had an irritation on his back, which would certainly be indicative of a sting. Assuming he did get stung, that would involve local histamine release, which causes a lot of itching, redness, and tenderness. The diphenhydramine you gave him reduces this inflammatory process (it is an anti-histamine after all), and also serves as a calmative, with both effects explaining his resulting behavior. I'm glad fido is back to his normal state. Jon yes, but also he'd now be sensitized to the sting, and any following stings may cause more drastic problems, like failure to breathe or heart complications. that's why people carry epi-pens. he MAY be sensitized. Or he may have become less sensitive. Often its the luck of the draw. After a massive number of be stings..I became less sensitive to them. NOT a process I recommend to anyone!! Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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On May 23, 5:18*pm, Jim Stewart wrote:
Cross-Slide wrote: On May 23, 4:43 pm, *wrote: Good thinking. I had never heard about reactions for pets before but it makes total sense. May want to give him more small doses and watch him over the next few days. *Vet will just want to operate... * * on your wallet Tiger Balm works well for sting site when applied ASAP on humans. ------------------"Jim Stewart" *wrote in ... Meat tenderizer, mix into a paste. Kills the sting. Castile soap kills the resin from poison ivy, or similar plants. Interesting. *I had a terrible case of poison oak about 30 years ago. *Ever since, if I thought I'd been exposed, I'd come home, strip, throw my clothes in the washer and shower good with Dr. Bronner's Castile soap. *Never had a problem. I was once in the hospital for two weeks for serious, systemic(?) poison ivy... Wrapped up in sheets, soaked in? The ONLY parts not running sores were the palms and soles and scalp.. Eyes, fingers, swollen shut, etc... I would not recomend it as a spa treatment. It doesn't bother me much, if ever in later life. |
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Cross-Slide wrote:
Castile soap kills the resin from poison ivy, or similar plants. It might remove the resin, but it sure as heck won't "kill" or inactivate it. Jon |
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"Jon Danniken" wrote in message ... Cross-Slide wrote: Castile soap kills the resin from poison ivy, or similar plants. It might remove the resin, but it sure as heck won't "kill" or inactivate it. Jon Strong alkali soaps will wash it off. Bar laundry soaps are the traditional treatment, but how quickly you have to use them depends on the individual. With some it won't work more than an hour after exposure. With others, 12 hours or even more is good enough. I don't know if those alkali laundry soaps, like Lux, are even alkaline anymore, but they used to be. -- Ed Huntress |
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Totally OT - Dog, Bee Sting, Reaction
Probably Dawn works also from their hero wins so far.
Martin On 5/23/2011 8:36 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "Jon wrote in message ... Cross-Slide wrote: Castile soap kills the resin from poison ivy, or similar plants. It might remove the resin, but it sure as heck won't "kill" or inactivate it. Jon Strong alkali soaps will wash it off. Bar laundry soaps are the traditional treatment, but how quickly you have to use them depends on the individual. With some it won't work more than an hour after exposure. With others, 12 hours or even more is good enough. I don't know if those alkali laundry soaps, like Lux, are even alkaline anymore, but they used to be. |
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Totally OT - Dog, Bee Sting, Reaction
On Mon, 23 May 2011 15:18:04 -0700, Jim Stewart
wrote: Cross-Slide wrote: On May 23, 4:43 pm, wrote: Good thinking. I had never heard about reactions for pets before but it makes total sense. May want to give him more small doses and watch him over the next few days. Vet will just want to operate... on your wallet Tiger Balm works well for sting site when applied ASAP on humans. ------------------"Jim Stewart" wrote in ... Meat tenderizer, mix into a paste. Kills the sting. Castile soap kills the resin from poison ivy, or similar plants. Interesting. I had a terrible case of poison oak about 30 years ago. Ever since, if I thought I'd been exposed, I'd come home, strip, throw my clothes in the washer and shower good with Dr. Bronner's Castile soap. Never had a problem. Their headquarters was within spitting distance of where I worked in Escondido in the mid '70s. I passed by his ALL ONE GOD sign daily to get beer and a sandwich for lunch. His Peppermint soap was always my favorite. I used organic blueberry shampoo back then, too. The girls just loved it & couldn't keep their fingers and noses out of my hair. 'Twas just what a shy guy needed. -- Doubt 'til thou canst doubt no more...doubt is thought and thought is life. Systems which end doubt are devices for drugging thought. -- Albert Guerard |
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On May 23, 12:08*pm, "Josepi" wrote:
MSG? Weird. ---------"Cross-Slide" *wrote in message ... Meat tenderizer, mix into a paste. Kills the sting. Castile soap kills the resin from poison ivy, or similar plants. On May 23, 4:43 pm, "Josepi" wrote: Good thinking. I had never heard about reactions for pets before but it makes total sense. May want to give him more small doses and watch him over the next few days. *Vet will just want to operate... * *on your wallet Tiger Balm works well for sting site when applied ASAP on humans. ------------------"Jim Stewart" *wrote in ... Papain. Not msg. Karl |
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On May 23, 9:36*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
I don't know if those alkali laundry soaps, like Lux, are even alkaline anymore, but they used to be. -- Ed Huntress As I remember Lux was always a soap advertised for how gentle it was on skin. I think you are thinking of Octagon soap. Dan |
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wrote in message ... On May 23, 9:36 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote: I don't know if those alkali laundry soaps, like Lux, are even alkaline anymore, but they used to be. -- Ed Huntress As I remember Lux was always a soap advertised for how gentle it was on skin. I think you are thinking of Octagon soap. Dan May be. Octagon was another one. I think that Lux also made a laundry soap, but that was a long time ago. -- Ed Huntress |
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On May 23, 9:18*pm, "Jon Danniken"
wrote: Cross-Slide wrote: Castile soap kills the resin from poison ivy, or similar plants. It might remove the resin, but it sure as heck won't "kill" or inactivate it. Jon I browsed around the internet on Poison Ivy and found that the FDA recently approved a product called Ivy Block which you put on before exposure to prevent getting poison ivy rash. Dan |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On May 23, 9:36 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote: I don't know if those alkali laundry soaps, like Lux, are even alkaline anymore, but they used to be. -- Ed Huntress As I remember Lux was always a soap advertised for how gentle it was on skin. I think you are thinking of Octagon soap. Dan May be. Octagon was another one. I think that Lux also made a laundry soap, but that was a long time ago. "Fels Naptha" is what comes to my mind.....it's even still available in many stores. --mixed in the right proportion with washing soda and borax it actually makes a fairly good laundry "detergent". http://www.thefamilyhomestead.com/laundrysoap.htm -- |
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