Hi All,

There I was happily cleaning a fridge that was given to me (we never
used) and was giving to someone else (setting up home for the first
time) and as I put the bottle of Cif (formally Jif) down a bit spurted
out of the bottle and into my eye ;-(

I bought some Optrex eye wash and gave my eye a couple of washes but
it continued hurting (well more like 'very uncomfortable' than hurt)
all day and has only gone back to normal from when I woke up this
morning?

So, what is it in Cif cream cleaner that would hurt an eye so much
please?

Also has anyone else had that happen, when you put one of these flip
cap 'easy squeeze' style bottles down a bit firmly and it spits back
out? (It could equally been car polish etc) I wonder if there is need
for a baffle just inside the spout?

I also notice that the latest squeezy tomato sauce type bottles have a
rubber diaphragm in the top that you have to squeeze the stuff past ..
maybe that would do it ( also stop some coming out if the bottle gets
knocked over)?

All the best ..

T i m

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:47:53 GMT, T i m wrote:

Hi All,

There I was happily cleaning a fridge that was given to me (we never
used) and was giving to someone else (setting up home for the first
time) and as I put the bottle of Cif (formally Jif) down a bit spurted
out of the bottle and into my eye ;-(

I bought some Optrex eye wash and gave my eye a couple of washes but
it continued hurting (well more like 'very uncomfortable' than hurt)
all day and has only gone back to normal from when I woke up this
morning?

So, what is it in Cif cream cleaner that would hurt an eye so much
please?

I am not certain, but I believe there have been reports of Flash
cleaner in the past causing eye damage, so there is nasty stuff
around.



Also has anyone else had that happen, when you put one of these flip
cap 'easy squeeze' style bottles down a bit firmly and it spits back
out? (It could equally been car polish etc) I wonder if there is need
for a baffle just inside the spout?

I also notice that the latest squeezy tomato sauce type bottles have a
rubber diaphragm in the top that you have to squeeze the stuff past ..
maybe that would do it ( also stop some coming out if the bottle gets
knocked over)?

All the best ..

T i m







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..andy

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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:24:01 +0100, Andy Hall
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:47:53 GMT, T i m wrote:

Hi All,

There I was happily cleaning a fridge that was given to me (we never
used) and was giving to someone else (setting up home for the first
time) and as I put the bottle of Cif (formally Jif) down a bit spurted
out of the bottle and into my eye ;-(

I bought some Optrex eye wash and gave my eye a couple of washes but
it continued hurting (well more like 'very uncomfortable' than hurt)
all day and has only gone back to normal from when I woke up this
morning?

So, what is it in Cif cream cleaner that would hurt an eye so much
please?

I am not certain, but I believe there have been reports of Flash
cleaner in the past causing eye damage, so there is nasty stuff
around.

I had thought in these days of super precaution / liability that most
chemicals are safe enough to drink (compared with yesteryear I mean)
... like Creosote etc? do not do this at home!

You are correct though .. judging by the discomfort yesterday .. I
think 'arc eye' was less painful!

All the best ..

T i m

"T i m" wrote in message
...

I had thought in these days of super precaution / liability that most
chemicals are safe enough to drink (compared with yesteryear I mean)
.. like Creosote etc? do not do this at home!

I thought all household stuff said that if it was accidentally splashed in
the eye it shold be rinsed with plenty of water. Just now I've been cleaning
and found a bottle of Cif - yes, it said that.

I wouldn't use Optrex for anything, what's the point? Instant dilution is
far more effective.

I hope there's no permanent damage - I don'tsuppose there is.

Mary

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:23:07 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"T i m" wrote in message
.. .

I had thought in these days of super precaution / liability that most
chemicals are safe enough to drink (compared with yesteryear I mean)
.. like Creosote etc? do not do this at home!

I thought all household stuff said that if it was accidentally splashed in
the eye it shold be rinsed with plenty of water. Just now I've been cleaning
and found a bottle of Cif - yes, it said that.

You are probably right Mary.

I wouldn't use Optrex for anything, what's the point?

Erm, to bathe and soothe?

Instant dilution is
far more effective.

I'm sure it would have been.

I hope there's no permanent damage - I don'tsuppose there is.

Thanks for the thought .. no, I think things are back to normal (minor
macular distortion (wet type) in my left eye and ever shortening arms)
;-)

All the best ..

T i m

Mary

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:23:07 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"T i m" wrote in message
. ..

I had thought in these days of super precaution / liability that most
chemicals are safe enough to drink (compared with yesteryear I mean)
.. like Creosote etc? do not do this at home!

I thought all household stuff said that if it was accidentally splashed in
the eye it shold be rinsed with plenty of water. Just now I've been
cleaning
and found a bottle of Cif - yes, it said that.

You are probably right Mary.

I wouldn't use Optrex for anything, what's the point?

Erm, to bathe and soothe?

In my experience it's no better than plain water - but that's just my
experience. The opticians I know (all four of them!) say the same.

I do have some 'artificial tears' which do soothe - but I wouldn't know
where to find them in an emergency.


I hope there's no permanent damage - I don'tsuppose there is.

Thanks for the thought .. no, I think things are back to normal (minor
macular distortion (wet type) in my left eye and ever shortening arms)
;-)

The latter comes with wisdom.
smirk

Mary

In article ,
T i m wrote:

I had thought in these days of super precaution / liability that
most chemicals are safe enough to drink (compared with yesteryear
I mean) .. like Creosote etc? do not do this at home!

You are correct though .. judging by the discomfort yesterday ..
I think 'arc eye' was less painful!

I don't know. It seems to me that household cleaners
and disinfectants have become more 'industrial strength'
in recent years.

What about the stupidity of a spray caustic oven cleaner?
Spray it into that enclosed space and it comes back into
your face... Caustic, in your eyes and down your lungs.

--
Tony Williams.

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:19:50 +0100, Tony Williams
wrote:

In article ,
T i m wrote:

I had thought in these days of super precaution / liability that
most chemicals are safe enough to drink (compared with yesteryear
I mean) .. like Creosote etc? do not do this at home!

You are correct though .. judging by the discomfort yesterday ..
I think 'arc eye' was less painful!

I don't know. It seems to me that household cleaners
and disinfectants have become more 'industrial strength'
in recent years.

Some maybe ..

What about the stupidity of a spray caustic oven cleaner?

Oven .hmm . oven .. ah, the thing I use for heating crankcases ;-)

Spray it into that enclosed space and it comes back into
your face... Caustic, in your eyes and down your lungs.

Like when you blow brick dust out of a hole you have just drilled and
you end up with it all back in yer face .. even though you have made
the same mistake several times before .. no .. ah, just me then
blush ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

"T i m" wrote in message
...


Like when you blow brick dust out of a hole you have just drilled and
you end up with it all back in yer face .. even though you have made
the same mistake several times before .. no .. ah, just me then
blush ;-)

Not just you, I've seen loads of blokes do it.
smirk

Mary

I also notice that the latest squeezy tomato sauce type bottles have a
rubber diaphragm in the top that you have to squeeze the stuff past ..

Horrendous thing, great for keeping the top of the bottle clean, but
you have to apply so much pressure to the bottle to force it out that
if you arent quite aimed right, you get projectile tomato sauce
shooting across the table.

On 21 Jul 2005 01:59:13 -0700, "Mark Trueman"
wrote:

I also notice that the latest squeezy tomato sauce type bottles have a
rubber diaphragm in the top that you have to squeeze the stuff past ..

Horrendous thing, great for keeping the top of the bottle clean, but
you have to apply so much pressure to the bottle to force it out that
if you arent quite aimed right, you get projectile tomato sauce
shooting across the table.

LOL .. been there done that (the first time I used it).

I asked my 15 yr old daughter where she wanted some sauce and she said
'everywhere'. I squeezed, and squeezed harder then woosh .. all over
the tray, worktop , my leg .. ;-(

She just looked at me and said "I meant everywhere on my dinner .."
;-)

All the best ..

T i m

"T i m" wrote in message
...


I asked my 15 yr old daughter where she wanted some sauce and she said
'everywhere'. I squeezed, and squeezed harder then woosh .. all over
the tray, worktop , my leg .. ;-(

She just looked at me and said "I meant everywhere on my dinner .."
;-)

Isn't she allowed to squirt her own condiment?

:-)

Mary

All the best ..

T i m

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:23:47 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"T i m" wrote in message
.. .


I asked my 15 yr old daughter where she wanted some sauce and she said
'everywhere'. I squeezed, and squeezed harder then woosh .. all over
the tray, worktop , my leg .. ;-(

She just looked at me and said "I meant everywhere on my dinner .."
;-)

Isn't she allowed to squirt her own condiment?

Good gracious no! Mary Fisher, I would have expected better of you!
;-)

Yes of course she is ... just I had just done mine and I got the 15 yr
style grunt and nod towards her plate so read that as "Excuse me Daddy
darling, would you be so kind and apply some of that to my meal" .. ?

Thinking back, it could well have just been a trap and she knew I'd
end up wearing the stuff! ... sigh

All the best ..

T i m

T i m wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:23:47 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"T i m" wrote in message
...


I asked my 15 yr old daughter where she wanted some sauce and she
said 'everywhere'. I squeezed, and squeezed harder then woosh ..
all over the tray, worktop , my leg .. ;-(

She just looked at me and said "I meant everywhere on my dinner .."
;-)

Isn't she allowed to squirt her own condiment?

Good gracious no! Mary Fisher, I would have expected better of you!
;-)

Yes of course she is ... just I had just done mine and I got the 15 yr
style grunt and nod towards her plate so read that as "Excuse me Daddy
darling, would you be so kind and apply some of that to my meal" .. ?


I reckon you were just using the male strategic incompetence technique.

The one that leaves us not being asked to do something next time ;-)

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:23:47 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"T i m" wrote in message
. ..


I asked my 15 yr old daughter where she wanted some sauce and she said
'everywhere'. I squeezed, and squeezed harder then woosh .. all over
the tray, worktop , my leg .. ;-(

She just looked at me and said "I meant everywhere on my dinner .."
;-)

Isn't she allowed to squirt her own condiment?

Good gracious no! Mary Fisher, I would have expected better of you!
;-)

Yes of course she is ... just I had just done mine and I got the 15 yr
style grunt and nod towards her plate so read that as "Excuse me Daddy
darling, would you be so kind and apply some of that to my meal" .. ?

Mine never grunted that to me.

We never had squirty bottles ...but they wouldn't have trusted anyone else
even if we did have.

Mary

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:53:25 GMT, T i m wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:23:47 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"T i m" wrote in message
. ..


I asked my 15 yr old daughter where she wanted some sauce and she said
'everywhere'. I squeezed, and squeezed harder then woosh .. all over
the tray, worktop , my leg .. ;-(

She just looked at me and said "I meant everywhere on my dinner .."
;-)

Isn't she allowed to squirt her own condiment?

Good gracious no! Mary Fisher, I would have expected better of you!
;-)

Yes of course she is ... just I had just done mine and I got the 15 yr
style grunt and nod towards her plate so read that as "Excuse me Daddy
darling, would you be so kind and apply some of that to my meal" .. ?

Thinking back, it could well have just been a trap and she knew I'd
end up wearing the stuff! ... sigh

At least you can afford a squeezy bottle:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4468513.stm

I have to make do with real tomatoes here... ;(

cheers,
Pete.

"Mark Trueman" wrote in message
ups.com...
I also notice that the latest squeezy tomato sauce type bottles have a
rubber diaphragm in the top that you have to squeeze the stuff past ..

Horrendous thing, great for keeping the top of the bottle clean, but
you have to apply so much pressure to the bottle to force it out that
if you arent quite aimed right, you get projectile tomato sauce
shooting across the table.

Oh - it's not just me then.

Is Cif abrasive ? That could scratch the eye and create day-long
symptoms.
Be glad you don't wear contact lenses. It hurts even more then. You
have to try and get the lens out whilst eyes are watering etc, and the
stuff gets trapped beneath the lens !
Also, don't confuse lens cleaner and lens wetting solution.

Simon.

On 21 Jul 2005 02:10:04 -0700, wrote:

Is Cif abrasive ?

It is ..

That could scratch the eye and create day-long
symptoms.

I think that must have been part of it ..

Be glad you don't wear contact lenses. It hurts even more then. You
have to try and get the lens out whilst eyes are watering etc, and the
stuff gets trapped beneath the lens !

I understand how that must feel via my lens wearing missus .. "an
eyelash feels like a knife' she says ..

Also, don't confuse lens cleaner and lens wetting solution.

Ok . (I'll stick with glasses for the moment then ) ..

Simon.

All the best ..

T i m

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On 21 Jul 2005 02:10:04 -0700, wrote:

Is Cif abrasive ?

It is ..

That could scratch the eye and create day-long
symptoms.

I think that must have been part of it ..

Be glad you don't wear contact lenses. It hurts even more then. You
have to try and get the lens out whilst eyes are watering etc, and the
stuff gets trapped beneath the lens !

I understand how that must feel via my lens wearing missus .. "an
eyelash feels like a knife' she says ..

Also, don't confuse lens cleaner and lens wetting solution.

Ok . (I'll stick with glasses for the moment then ) ..

Simon.

All the best ..

T i m

If you had your glasses on how did you get it in your eye?

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:46:47 GMT, "Peter Andrews"
wrote:


"T i m" wrote in message
.. .
On 21 Jul 2005 02:10:04 -0700, wrote:



Ok . (I'll stick with glasses for the moment then ) ..


If you had your glasses on how did you get it in your eye?

Good question Peter.

We were cleaning this tall fridge freezer outside my (remote) lockup.
We had taken a bucket, sponge, a couple of containers of hot water,
Cif, Fairy etc. We had used all the hot water and pretty well finished
the thing when I spotted the mains cable could do with a wipe over. I
apllied some Cif to the still damp sponge and bent over slightly to
put the Cif on the groud when it fell out of my hand for maybe the
last couple of inches. I was looking down at about 45 deg and only
wear cheap 'general purpose' reading glasses that are sorta
rectangular and are perched near the end of my nose (leaving a big gap
betwen the glasses and my eyes) or more often up on my head (so I
don't leave them behind / sit - tread on them).

At the time I just wiped my around my eye a bit with a tissue (as I
didn't fancy the look of the green water in the water butt) but the
discomfort slowly got worse. We finished what we were doing, cleared
up and the nearest solution (excuse the pun) on our way home was the
Chemist and the Optrex.

All the best ..

T i m

T i m wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:46:47 GMT, "Peter Andrews"
wrote:


"T i m" wrote in message
. ..
On 21 Jul 2005 02:10:04 -0700, wrote:



Ok . (I'll stick with glasses for the moment then ) ..


If you had your glasses on how did you get it in your eye?

Good question Peter.

We were cleaning this tall fridge freezer outside my (remote) lockup.
We had taken a bucket, sponge, a couple of containers of hot water,
Cif, Fairy etc. We had used all the hot water and pretty well finished
snip
At the time I just wiped my around my eye a bit with a tissue (as I
didn't fancy the look of the green water in the water butt) but the
discomfort slowly got worse. We finished what we were doing, cleared
up and the nearest solution (excuse the pun) on our way home was the
Chemist and the Optrex.


The solution used in one Friends episode comes to mind.
Largely sterile, though not the most popular eye-wash.

wrote:
Is Cif abrasive ? That could scratch the eye and create day-long
symptoms.
Be glad you don't wear contact lenses. It hurts even more then. You
have to try and get the lens out whilst eyes are watering etc, and the
stuff gets trapped beneath the lens !
Also, don't confuse lens cleaner and lens wetting solution.


That made my eyes water just thinking about it!

Si

Simon wrote;
Is Cif abrasive ? That could scratch the eye and create day-long
symptoms.

Yup! Powdered chalk or similar, thats how it does most of it's cleaning.

Dave